They need to really look at some balance between weapon sets traits etc otherwise you will only see one type of ele in the game
In WvW its already happening.
3. Staff is absolutely awesome in spvp exactly because it’s all about kills. Spvp is full of zerg encounters. You get credit for kills by hitting them all with aoes. Staff is beautiful at aoes. In the countless 3v3 or more situations, spamming your fields and watching your party using finishers for lots of regeneration/ chill/ vulnerability/ burning, while keeping your opponents CC’ed within your fields, alongside the occasional Meteor Shower, is an absolutely awesome way to farm for glory in spvp. The fact that ele bunkers are one of the stronger builds for the current meta,
What is a good staff bunker build?
Taugrim sums up the whole ascended gear fiasco very well:
http://taugrim.com/2012/12/01/my-take-on-ascended-gear-in-guild-wars-2/
Lack of basic guild management tools doesn’t help things either. A guild calendar would go MILES to help guilds, IMO.
This, plus guild alliance chat for larger guilds, guild halls etc. Its ridiculous that some form of multi guild chat hasn’t been implemented.
I play MMORPG since Ultima Online, and it’s the first time that a class/player can SPAM invis during a fight. Most game only allow stealth as an opener, and few permited a not spammable invis during fight. But Most of them had a way to detect invis by being too close or using a skill.
It’s my opinion, not a fact. I might be the only player to feel like this in WvW. And this is not a thread about balancing them, it’s about the invis factor.
Nope for the very reason you state, the invisi spam is ridiculous, especially combined with their burst.
It’s not getting less solo friendly, it’s getting more group friendly.
This returns to the original point of “If you’re going to play an MMO, why are you trying to play it like a single player game”
I’m not, I run dungeons all the time with guild groups, I WvW all the time. Less loot whilst doing solo activities means it is less solo friendly.
Ok so its sounds like you could counter the summon delay by having a subset of traits. So we fixed a bug that lets all those triats work together but that also makes them not able to exploit the delay anymore. Since it seems like they were working and mostly balanced without the delay I am going to go ahead and reduce the delay on this stuff to .25 seconds. I just tested it at 0 seconds and that breaks some other things so I think .25 is the best compromise.
^ THIS! 10.000x THIS! This is exactly what we’d like to see more of. I’m not even talking about the change itself, but about the communication. Jon, this thread was handled exactly as it should’ve been handled. More of this please. Even the grey post worked, where it said that the issue has been forwarded to the team.
Keep at it
I agree, this communication and also in other class forums is fantastic and much appreciated, thank you again. Keep it up.
RTL is indeed a bug. I’ve got a fix and going to try and push it through today.
Jon
Thank you for the feedback.
A) Its not easy to change mechanics or add certain things into wvw
There already have been changes to WvW, namely:
1) Orbs were removed
They already have PvE bonuses form WvW why not tie more of them to the orbs instead of removing them entirely? This isn;t a major change in mechanics.
They are working on:
Culling issues
They have already tried to patch it and made it worse. It is terrible at the moment. I can have 20 or so players in a battle chase round 1 or 2 enemies (via nameplates) for minutes and not have them render. It is beyond ridiculous that they haven’t fixed it given it is far far worse than it was at launch. It should be a major priority.
I’ve had rare drops in WvW and I’ve earned money there. The loot is pretty much samish no matter what you do, so if you WvW a lot you should be able to afford exotics.
Its not the same, the general quality of loot is noticeably worse in WvW, I barely even get any greens. Yes you can get rares and exotics, the chance is lower than for dungeons.
IMO the money is fair. You aren’t going to get rich but you won’t go broke either. They also recently increased the drop rate of magic items in WvW(though I haven’t noticed a huge difference). Would I mind more money? Of course not if they are going to give it to me. But I also don’t want it as profitable as farming because I don’t want bots and farms taking up spots in borderlands.
If you make the loot you get from bag drops from other players equal to what you get in dungeons it won’t encourage botters because you have to kill other players to get it. Keep the loot drops form NPCs low.
WvW is supposed to be the games way of taking money out the ecomony for thoes who dont gamble in the mystic forge, they will never allow the rewards earned over the average of all people playing to overtake the amount being spent on it.
With that being said, ANet have already announced they are revamping the rewards you get from WvW and improving on them. Siege for karma would make it too easy to get siege there has to be a sensible limit on how much siege you can get.
They should equalise loot tables so you get equal percentages of greens etc that you get in dungeons. That is if they actually want players to play WvW, the player base is noticeably dropping. The lack of love for WvW is silly given that it should be a prime part of the endgame to keep people playing.
Culling/rendering issues have been present since beta, and only gotten worse as people exploit it. And yes I see more and more trying to use this exploit to hold supply camps, lords rooms, etc. The last attempt to fix it failed and we ended up with invisible players. Is there any update on the status of a proper fix?
I can’t recall any such issues in the beta or even at launch. If they were there then something anet has done has exacerbated it to a huge degree.
This seems to be the case now. FA should re-evaluate it’s strategy and try to play for 2nd or they will be the ones kicked out. It’s a smart strategy on YB side, if you can’t beat them, use them.
Well this week it kinda look like you are. FA have clearly gone after YB when TC has attacked us trying to take advantage.
Clearly they are trying to persuade people to play dungeons, DEs and WvW definitely yield significantly less loot. As a WvW player the pity of it is they are killing it off with such differences.
Whilst the majority of the game can be soloed it is definitely getting less solo friendly especially with loot tables for FOTM and I think other dungeons being clearly different and yielding significantly more high yield loot than in the open world or in WvW.
This makes it look like anet is favouring dungeon runners. Why?
In reality, WvWvW doesn’t need much anyway. First and foremost it needs a method to achieve ascended gear and removing kitten jumping puzzles (make the siege drop thank you very much Anet) but if people are going to suggest stupid things (like flying mounts for kittens sake) then I for one can wait a lot longer than February.
No first and foremost they need to fix the kitten culling issue.
As I already said, I want to play Guild Wars 2, not Wall Street.
This.
The whole temple event design needs to be changed. How can the situation with Balthazar not be seen as ridiculous?
Why not have increased NPC support for temple events where there aren’t many players.
How about actually fixing the significant bugs in this game. Culling is still at a ridiculous level just for example.
In my opinion, YB also seems to be scared of attacking TC and of attacking anything without TC first launching an attack on the other side. As shown by how TCBL Hills keep has has not been taken by Yaks this whole round, and YB losing their natural tower on TCBL within 10 minutes of reset. Compared to how, once TC gets a foothold with Hills in FABL, Yaks comes streaming in and takes Bay.
Not calling this an alliance in any way, just both servers playing tactically and FA being the victim of it
This is hilarious given the way FA took advantage of TC attacking YB after reset. Are you playing for second now?
No downed ability should allow one to go through their tower door and get ressed back safely from downed, no other class has this ability why should eles?
So all classes should have the same abilities?
That build is incomplete but the trait selection seems fine. What runes are you using?
this falls in line with anet’s anti grind policy. i admit that at times there are grey areas when it comes to interpretation or implementation of their manifesto, which as we have seen, has evolved, though the wording on the document stays the same.
That may be the theory but in practice all it does is make the grind worse, people still grind but they have to do it for longer. All the attractive loot in the game requires gold or a grind for mats so people still grind for both.
anet has repeatedly shown us(in both blatant and ninja-like forms) that they want us to explore the world, experience the richness of the story-telling, the art that was created and the music composed for our enjoyment.
And then they create fractals and because of the rewards a large part of the player base is shoehorned into it away from the world.
If they want players to be out in the world they’ve got to do more with DEs.
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Something isn’t right with the Badges of Honor — the drop rate either needs to be adjusted or the gear costs need to be cut in half (at least). When you consider the cost of obtaining end-game gear through other means, it’s not balanced in terms of time investment.
Definitely, its ridiculously priced unless you want to spend a lot of time in the jumping puzzles.
And no its not due to badges being left behind, I pick up all of mine.
My fear is that WvW ascended gear will be similarly priced with anet not really paying attention to actual drop rates in practice.
42k karma is good price for ascended gear piece. I don’t see why those should cost more than exotics.
Yep I agree, and I hope they don’t make it some ridiculous badge price like the invader gear, which is clearly out of whack.
No, spvp adjustments are generally reflective of a high level of individual skill that doesn’t necessarily translate to WvW being a larger scale conflict.
Yaks Bend is the server for you. We need players in your time zone, we have several WvW focussed guilds, pugs who are willing to listen and learn, and have a never say die attitude. The queue times are minimal.
Has this answer form Mike O’Brien been discussed because I find it kind of remarkable:
“How is introducing VP respecting the player? Because it’s fun to be challenged and rewarded. Because it’s fun to have the character you play grow and evolve over time. Because ArenaNet (sort of) held a hard line against all VP with GW1 — no VP ever, year after year — and it wasn’t that fun. It was stagnant.”
So according to them now horizontal progression is stagnant. Amazing comment given how successful GW1 was over a number of years.
Thank you for the packs anet now can we get an option to change our name ASAP.
I can relate to what OP’s saying but it would appear that the devs think ele’s are fine.
It would appear that none of the devs have any real appreciation for the class.
SWTOR Patch 1.1 (aka, the Ilum Patch)
Whatever doubt was left on whether or not they knew what the heck they were doing were confirmed. Honestly, though, that was just laughable it’s not even funny.
For me the 2 worst SWTOR decisions were going with Hero engine in the first place and opening with far far too many servers, they then sat on their hands waiting far too long in addressing the population issues.
Chris also said their is currently too much grind involved. And since grind equals time sink there is a chance that ascended gear will become less time consuming to get. But even if that’s right, I doubt that they will reduce the grind enough to make ascended gear reachable for casuals.
He doesn’t use the same definition of grind that you do. It’s not clear that they what the intend the time-cost on max-stat crap to be. It’s far from clear that it’ll be what normal people consider “reasonable” when applied over a full set of stuff.
Yeah I said this early on in the thread I get the feeling that what they consider grind and what I do is far apart and I have no confidence that they will bring the cost of ascended items down to what I consider an acceptable level.
Agreed that full auto loot should be in WvW.
The only reason I don’t enjoy dungeons is the effort put forth to sometimes open a dungeon via event, and the effort required to get a group. A real LFG system must be made.
This, the dungeons which require events are a bad idea the events frequently glitch and people just want to run a dungeon not have to spend 15 minutes opening the dungeon.
As for the OP yes its a grind but its arguably an acceptable one. It used to be a lot worse.
To be honest before this AMA I was very concerned with GW2’s general direction but a lot of questions which needed answers got them. There was no silly PR cover up al la BioWare, there was no arrogance. there the “hey guys, this didn’t turn out exactly as we envisioned it. We’re working on fixing it.”
Some people might not find that reassuring but I do, it was down to earth and it was communication which was needed.
I’ve still got concerns:
1. From the AMA I get the feeling that what they regard as a grind and what I regard as a grind are quite different.
2. Its good that he’s taken responsibility for many of the issues but IMHO they never should have been implemented in the first place, as a result I’ve got concerns over the way they implement new features and live support, and they won’t be allayed until new content gets rolled out that doesn’t have the same issues and demonstrates that they are paying attention to their design philosophies.
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“Do you stand behind the decision of having the levelling system in FOTM, essentially fracturing your player base into many, many, different portions, with players only looking for the specific level they need to advance through level difficulty?
It was never a conscious decision to fracture the player base through the Dungeon. Honestly we were aware the dungeon was good but we didn’t know just how popular it would be. Nearly straight away we saw the issue and have been working on a fix since, we have explored multiple system”Good on Chris for owning up to this issue but quite frankly I find this unbelievable. As soon as it was announced there were people on the forums stating that it was going to happen.
And the moral of this story is that i need to pay more attention to the feedback we are receiving. There is a great deal going on so a method of more open communication between the teams/design and the community would be great and I intend to work on how we can accomplish this.
Chris
Thank you.
“Do you stand behind the decision of having the levelling system in FOTM, essentially fracturing your player base into many, many, different portions, with players only looking for the specific level they need to advance through level difficulty?
It was never a conscious decision to fracture the player base through the Dungeon. Honestly we were aware the dungeon was good but we didn’t know just how popular it would be. Nearly straight away we saw the issue and have been working on a fix since, we have explored multiple system”
Good on Chris for owning up to this issue but quite frankly I find this unbelievable. As soon as it was announced there were people on the forums stating that it was going to happen.
You could be right, but they are wasting everyone’s time. Many people want other questions, completely unrelated to the patch answered. People should start reading the thread and already answered questions.
As I understand Chris is choosing what questions to answer so its hardly the fault of the questioner.
The biggest problem this community has is the GW1 players expecting GW1 in a new wrapper. They want something more than GW1. That game was for casuals and MMO players on training wheels. They aren’t going to just focus on making a game for you. They want to make this a game that draws a wider audience then GW1 fanbois.
Um no they want the game that arenanet promised in all its pre launch PR. GW2 aint it.
Just got clarification from Chris for his previous quote, “That is why there is no plan for new Rarity Tiers of loot but there are plans to enhance or gain items within the existing rarity design whose properties continue on a shallow power curve.”
Hi Timebomb,
There will certainly be different combinations and potentially new types of stats added to a specific rarity with no overall % power increase.
However Ascended and Legendary will be infuse able.
Infusions will become the vertical progression earn able in PVE and WvW and accessible through a wide variety of different player activities thus catering to lots of different types of players and gained from all across the world of Tyria.
Should we add new player levels to the game then new items within the current rarities with a shallow power increase would be viable, however we would look at doing a new system rather than defaulting to this initially.
Chris
So my reading of that is that future ‘shallow’ stat increases will come through new infusions. However as was asked on the previous page where does that leave current dungeon gear?
GuildWars 2 has grind.
I don’t even need to go to another game to tell you that. It has grind, however infinitesimal,
Its not infinitesimal though. If one didn’t choose an armor crafting profession there is something of a grind to get an exotic set whether it be from dungeons or karma (not mentioning the WvW set which is an insane grind). It took me 4 weeks to get a full Orr set.
Even with crafting unless you have the gold on hand it is a grind because its impossible with the armor crafting professions or jewelry to get to 400 based just on gathering ingredients in the normal course of playing the game to 80, unlike say SWTOR which was a full on vertical progression game yet crafting was eminently possible to get to max level as you levelled up.
Progression is not the same thing as Grind
and he also said there looking into the amount of mats needed to craft the new gear, so they know its kinda High
In what universe is the ascended backpack not a grind? And as I said in another post why was the gear released with such a grind when they say they don’t want a grind? It doesn’t give me confidence that they will follow through on their statements.
It’s a player disconnect, not a developer one. The game isn’t catered to one group. It’s catered to several groups, collectively called “the community.” The issue is everyone thinks their group is the “majority” of the community.
No there’s definitely a dev disconnect between statements talking about a lack of grind and then coming out with items with what is close to an insane grind for an accessory. Why was it released in the first place with such a grind?
“This is a reply from John Smith, ArenaNet’s economist:
We did expect the change in price of Ectos and it was intended. Bots had artificially suppressed the prices of many high end items making late game farming for legitimate players less effective than we wanted. With the fractal dungeon we introduce available ways to earn Ectos and other high end items for use or profit to keep the price from going up too fast.”
WTH! Why put diminishing returns in for legitimate players in the open world then? This just seems to me to be them wanting to push people into doing fractals. The open world and DE event system is one of the best parts of the game.
’So I would ask you to judge us by details, ’
Hell on a hot tin roof – isnt that what we HAVE been doing? and why so many are unhappy?!
Yeah this is what I think as well. And Chris Whiteside’s responses don’t alleviate the concern when they release ascended items with a huge grind yet they state they don’t want any grind at all. There’s a disconnect there.
In order
Yanking off walls:
Mesmer/Guardian (mesmer slightly higher, lower CD)
Thief/Engineer (engineer slightly higher, longer range, also mortars)
What mesmer skill yanks people off walls?
And we have a pooka back.
Meh its just more PR spin, the funny thing is once the math is explained the ascended items probably will have very little impact over exotics but anet won’t actually come out and explain the math.
People have tried to explain the math, and the difference comes to around 1% increase to your total stat pool. People either ignored it, or said it was plain wrong because it didnt match the increase of the individual item increase of a backpiece.
Yeah but its not anet explaining it. Coming from someone in authority does make a difference.
Meh its just more PR spin, the funny thing is once the math is explained the ascended items probably will have very little impact over exotics but anet won’t actually come out and explain the math.
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