Guild Wars 2

nirvana.8245:

Its true. JQ has more numbers and better coverage than BG.

Whats changed since last week?

I’ve seen it in other games and its not good. I would turn it off.

warriorjrd.8695:

What do you expect them to do. People cry and cry about queues, now they give us a map that solves that.

If EOTM was purely an overflow map it would be OK but its not. Thats the issue.

warriorjrd.8695:

People cry for a new map, we get one.

People wanted a new map as part of the normal WvW this is not that.

I’ll post this here because its ontopic but what happened to the gamemaster thread on the siege troll in JQ? I gather its been removed by mods because of the screenshots but do we know if they will do anything about the guy?

DivineBeing.2086:

Man, I would hate to say I told you so about JQ oceanic coverage….but I told you so.

Good job JQ on your recruiting efforts!

Whats changed from last week in oceanic? Nothing. XPK weren’t even out last night, SoX ran 20 at most, hardly game changing. Look to your own server rather than JQ.

dwahvel.7356:

Reslinal.2359:

If SoR is just doing this to get out of T1 faster, all power to you since the low morale caused by staying in T1 is really not healthy for your server anymore. However I would suggest you guys shed a bit more guilds (especially your OCX/SEA guilds), otherwise you would be back in T1 in no time….

SoR still has ocx guilds? Oh wait thats right we don’t have any left.

Hire, GC

silvermember.8941:

The question is: why would we want to play you at your own terms? YOu got exactly what you wanted, overstacked servers and giant blobs. We get to play on our own terms

Playing on your own terms means farming pugs? Thats not the SOR I was on.

EOTM stands to rip apart WvW in its current form, yet another sterling job anet. Unless thats what you actually want to do.

Nevz.3058:

The people in this thread that are complaining about BG buying guilds, do realize that BG has been marked as a Full Server since the start of the Leagues. And if we look at the information provided from Anet, as a Full Server BG can’t gain people nor guilds, as no one is able to transfer to BG even if they wanted to. Now if we look at SoR some of their guilds are fighting in EotM as some of the SoR server players stated above, but a high portion of SoR got absorbed by JQ e.g. SoX, LUN and a handful of Oceanic Guilds.

No it wasn’t a high portion, it was 2 mid range ocx guilds only, SoX and XPK. Lun is still on SOR AFAIK. They have some members on JQ but the guild isn’t moving AFAIK.

Seigfried.5938:

SoX left SoR to ‘play for fights’.

We did? You have no idea why we moved. And I really dunno why you would bring this up in? Not even in response to anything.

thaooo.5320:

BG and JQ (of current) have 20x the amount of players SOS (and JQ) did in our brief few weeks at #1.

No they don;t not at the moment, during leagues maybe but not now. And yes I was on SOS.

Adula.3698:

FEAR moved off to FA, but they’re near dead with only 10-15 players that joined. RET left, and they had some good players, but they were small as well. They also moved to FA.

SoX left to JQ because the guild leader got paid I believe. Most of their members stayed here, so they really don’t matter.

False on both counts.

chemiclord.3978:

That’s a company that has no scruples from the top on down… because if that REALLY happened, and there was ANYONE with any shard of a soul remaining within that company… that person would have talked to someone. That sort of underhanded manipulation of their own game would not have gone without a peep.

What about NDAs? Its the sort of thing that can take years to come out.

Suddenflame.2601:

DR was introduced due to bots. I was playing back then. Not sure if you were, but there was a lot of bots back then. DR if your being hit with it you really need to rethink what your doing cause it doesn’t kick in for hours of you playing in place without logging out and switching zones.

And with the bot problem almost gone its still there. GW1 also has a DR system. Not to mention the fact that it doesn’t do anything to deter bots anyway, especially in GW2 where the focus is so much on gaining gold to the exclusion of anything else. So IMHO its not there just for bots but to control farming by players.

cortin.9174:

WvW design was a plausible one, it’s an enhancement over DAOC’s Realm vs Realm for sure, without a doubt.

It was never in any way an enhancement, factional RvR is clearly superior to server vs server with some enhancement to ensure more balance and a good scoring system. The ESO model seems to be a good one IMHO.

mtpelion.4562:

Terok.7315:

Despite the fact that we can use in-game currency to purchase this pick (which is the only thing preventing this from being a straight p2w item), I still feel incredibly uncomfortable with it being sold. Node or no node, this item seems to be better than any pick in the game. I hope Anet isn’t considering abandoning their “cosmetic only” approach to the gemshop. I’m not really advocating for action one way or the other, but this certainly is troubling in my opinion.

My research so far is inconclusive, but it is looking like this is actually the WORST pick in the game, not the best.

Why? because you don’t think it has the chance for bonus mats? If so that would take the heat out of the debate but why would Arenanet not confirm this?

ykyk.2740:

The same thought process can be applied to countless server exoduses before this. Screw balancing the tier and investing in a long-term competitive bracket, lets join TEH BIG SERVERZ for TEH WINZ

It should be noted that none of the transfers off SOR were to BG AFAIK.

DivineBeing.2086:

This week? You mean when BG is trying and JQ isn’t trying at all?

Merc, Sox, XPK and others have all been out this week.

DivineBeing.2086:

The match was balanced, now JQ will literally cruise through matches with no competition. Why? BG only wishes we could tick at kitten in ANY timezone if we pushed hard.

LOL, keep it up.

DivineBeing.2086:

Did you even check gw2score to check the math? This week and last week, mosts points gained by JQ 0:00 to 5:59, otherwise known as Oceanic. Checking further will show that before your recruits it was relatively balanced oceanic, both of us ticking between 225 and 250. Now? JQ ticking primarily above 275. And you were able to push to kitten , waypointing 2x keeps and SMC.

Like I said last week the excuses were that BG was pre-occupied with the wurm event. This week the scores, yes on that site, show that BG has been ticking higher than JQ most oceanic evenings, BGs hourly average during the timezone is greater.

Siobhan.3582:

It just encourages underdog realms to stay there. At least now, if the scores can be close, folks will fight out there in the bl.

Now if you are 3rd place, shrug and just go there. Then less fights in bl’s so the other two realms move there.

Sorry, but since there are no rewards for WvW (ie seasons and such) and most weekly matchups become a 2 way fight (if that) by the weekend, people have zero reason to stay in the bl’s.

This map is really a bad thing for WvW, as a whole.

I agree with everything you say, I think its potentially a disaster for the game mode.

DivineBeing.2086:

JQ has actually won the stacking wars. Their oceanic outnumbers BG even if BGs 3x PvX oceanic guilds were to log in together. Proof of that is the consistent 300+ ppt in the oceanic time zone for the last two weeks.

<sigh> more BG attempts to play the underdog, as has been said before no-one not from BG buys it. Apart from 1 night this week you have been leading oceanic this week. And anyway I thought that what happened last week was because of the wurm event, at least thats what I keep being told by BG. So which is it?

DivineBeing.2086:

I have no doubt that JQ will win the match ups here on out.

So congratulations for your must needed recruitment efforts JQ. We all know other servers could have used those numbers.

You guys really are desperate to recruit despite your numbers aren’t you.

dwahvel.7356:

Anyways if EoTM turns out to be a solid map expect SoR’s ppt to plummet. Not that we’ve ever really cared about ppt for the past year, but the borderlands should be ghost towns.

This has already happened.

JustTrogdor.7892:

So I’m still confused for those of you that got gem refunds what happened to the new skin? Did Anet remove it and change your skin back to the armor type you placed it on or do you still get to keep the new skin as well?

Arenanet can’t change the skin back so unless they provide 6 transmutation stones as well they can’t actually do anything. In my case once I receive the refund I will be changing the skin anyway cause the new skin is godawful IMHO.

KrakerJack.8543:

I liked the zone, but became dissatisfied with the linear running. I prefer an open world feel. Me and my friend ended up back in our BL after a couple of hours.

Tons of loot though!

This. Its pretty but ultimately far too closed in for such a large map.

JustTrogdor.7892:

selan.8354:

so they basically turned the feathered armor skin into the new flamekissed armor instead of designing a new one?

Yes

And took months to do it.

Eddy.7924:

I understand that you are trying to urge more players to move to WvW, as this is where players are able to create more interest in the game rather than the developers having to come up with content at a ridiculous pace, and I am not complaining about that, it is one solution.

I think they’ve probably done it because the WvW population is declining and they want to prop it up.

Ahmrill.7512:

Just curious if any of the changes or suggestions discussed on the Collaborative Development: Commander System thread are being implemented with the EOTM patch?

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/wuv/wuv/Collaborative-Development-Commander-System/page/14#post3343318

The lack of flexible in-game grouping tools for guilds to organize is still a frustration and an issue. I’m just wondering if anyone has heard of any changes yet.

Well there’s one, making the commander icon visible to the commander………. oh wait no-one asked for that.

Suddenflame.2601:

Law is also good to learn. But as I stated they haven’t diverted from what they advertised as you suggest cause they never said anything about BiS gear changing (as they also believed back in Nov. 2012 that they could raise the level cap as well not sure if they think that now though).

Thats just being disingenuous as has been stated in numerous debates on the topic one of the initial pillars of the game was easy to obtain BiS and harder to obtain cosmetics. They haven’t stuck to this. And stat increases of >10% are significant.

sYlt.9865:

Seriously… I got in for EB queue and I was 80 in position, it went down pretty fast, but then it got stuck at position 1 for more than 10 minutes. Not only that but a guildie was in 8x and got in before me.

Not much improvement is there?

LOL too funny, making the queue more transparent but highlighting the fact that it still doesn’t work. Can’t wait for next reset.

LOL, such great testing anet has.

So it took this long to make a reskinned version of the feathered set! Seriously!

Arc DLad.2194:

all’s well and good say add an epic brain challenging story quest to get the precursor, but we all know it’ll go like this:
anet release precursor story, hardest challenge ever > boot up game >3 mins later > boot up wiki/dulfy on how to do it > complain it was too easy on forum

I couldn’t beat Liadri despite reading guides and watching videos.

Terrahero.9358:

With this, they are trying to see if they can get away with something that for GW2 is unprecedented. They’re still gathering information wether or not they got away with it, or trying to figure out how to respond to what is a much bigger controversy then the flamekissed skin.

Flamekissed got more of a response, which is a pity because this is worse IMHO. It seems they will only backtrack if the response reaches a certain level which again is a pity because it shows they are purely driven by PR not by any sort of standard.

DivineBeing.2086:

T1 is even more of a worse spot now that JQ accept guild transfers. They could have gone the BG route and turned away the transfer requests to servers that need them. I cannot tell you how many guilds we have had to turn away since leagues ended.

Our main competitor accepting more guild transfers is a definite way to start an arms race instead of balancing populations.

Lishtenbird.2814:

There was a response:

• https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/support/account/Infinite-Gathering-Tools-Some-Info-for-you/first#post3577753
• https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/support/account/Infinite-Gathering-Tools-Some-Info-for-you/first#post3578602

tl;dr: as time goes by, stuff you bought will become obsolete, and that should be considered natural.

That fallacy has been clearly refuted here and doesn’t apply in this case. I’m very disappointed that Gaile Gray has taken that stance on something thats clearly even more of poor decision than the flamekissed armor. Yet that one they decide to fix this one they don’t. It looks like that is only because the outcry on this hasn’t been large enough.

Donari.5237:

I’m not sure GW2’s ToS allows gambling. I’m not sure it doesn’t, either. You might want to check on that.

So………………….. they would be breaking their own TOS with the gambling boxes in the game?

Josh Foreman.8250:

Gene Archer.8560:

But players can put in all the hard work they can and still not break through to the next level. People have limits and thresholds.

I recognize this. I don’t expect every player, or even a majority to improve their skills. The hope is that ENOUGH of them will that we will be able to create more creative and nuanced content.

Upon reflection I have to take issue with the idea that these fights require individual skill. They don’t, they require organisation, and enough players in the fight to know what they’re doing and be geared and traited appropriately. And it is a failure of game design that players be forced to guest to other servers to get a win and be waiting in an empty zone for a significant time to be sure of getting a group that can do it.

Devata.6589:

However I really think you don’t get the point I make. I don’t say they are a company that want to make bad content just to make some money (Now talking about Anet). However the way they need to try and get people to buy gems will effect the game in a negative way. Even if they try to create a high quality product.

Something thats pertinent here is a post that a monetisation manager made to reddit about why he was glad teso was going to be a sub. The salient point was:“The problem I have with f2p games is that I know the drive behind developing patches and content for one. You are no longer concerned with what your users actually want or what would be cool to add to the game, you are only concerned with how to get their money by pretending to give them what they want.”

chemiclord.3978:

The same phenomenon is what is happening in the Gem Store here in GW2. Ya see all those “RNG” store items they keep coming up with? Ya wanna know why they keep doing that? BECAUSE PEOPLE BUY IT.

So what? Just because some whales are addicted to the gambling aspect doesn’t mean anet has to exploit them.

Behellagh.1468:

Do you honestly believe they start with gem shop items and then build a LS episode around it? No, they write the whole narrative first, decide where to divide the chapters, and then they either add a new skin related to the content or figure out what popular discontinued item to bring back.

They don’t build the stories around it but they build the reward systems around it.

Terravos.4059:

Someone did state though what will probably happen in the future, I posted it 3 month’s ago… They’re gearing up to combine servers into “teams” for matchups to try and solve some of the issues you guys are talking about, This is why Edge of the Mists had to be made…Not the whole China Excuse.

They’re going to Merge the servers for WvW purposes, Why this isn’t evident to everyone i don’t know.

I dunno if they’ll go that far immediately but I don’t think there’s any doubt that EOTM is a test for that functionality.

Deadcell.9052:

How much of an increase? Right now feels like a .00000000000000000000000000000000001% chance a getting a drop, I hope the increase is not as lame as a .00000000000000000000000000000000002% chance. RnG has been brutal to me

Yes just liked when they ‘fixed’ precursor drops. Exactly the same issue, the chance is so miniscule that even doubling does effectively nothing. A token system is the only answer, something they refuse to acknowledge.

docMed.7692:

You don’t think it had anything to do with say… the hundreds of regular wvw members going HAM on Wurm over and over?

Yes and of course no JQ players, a noted PvE server, were doing the worm.

Reverence.6915:

Mirsa.1628:

No one is going to fall for the “BG is weak, we need more guilds!” pre-season crap again, Reverence.

If your memory is that short, then I really have no words… Everyone knows what happened to BG pre-leagues. Everyone had written BG off in winning league before it started. Every t1 server had equal queues 24/7 at the start of season 1 so there was no population imbalance. That’s all ancient history now. Suffice to say, SoR is the only server still whining about it.

Well this has been revealed to be completely untrue in oceanic time tonight with the numbers you’ve put out.

Reverence.6915:

JQ always has been the “King of SEA”. They now have the biggest Oceanic coverage as well with basically all of SoR’s OCE moving to JQ.

Not even half of SORs oceanic moved to JQ.

Etien.4601:

Stormcrow.7513:

Hey Josh,

The biggest, most frustrating, most baffling issue with Wurm is the overflow system. I was just in an overflow on BG(one of the larger server populations) and we had about 20 people try to kill Crimson. We knew we couldn’t get all of them, why try right? We did the escorts and failed miserably without a single burn. The event just doesn’t scale. AT ALL. 20 champs running around one shotting the 4 people that stayed, since the others realized the this was an exercise in futility.
Is this the way that GW2 is going to progress with open world events? Be in a maxed out server, or wait a few hours afk to get a chance to do content?
You guys really need to look hard at what the overflow system is doing to the playerbase and make a change or changes asap.
I would recommend having an overflow system like GW1 did with districts so people who are not in the main server can at least organize.
Either way, the current meta of Wurms is: Unless you’re on a large,full, main server, you have little to no chance at completing the content, which will lead to people not even bothering.

This guy nailed it. Cheerz.

Exactly its been an issue with tequaltl and its more of an issue now that is not being addressed.

It should be made a master trait as was mooted might happen in the original discussion.

Nick.6972:

So what happens if SoR goes Tier 2 or lower? Who will fight Tier 1? No server want to face them.

Much as they don’t want it to happen it looks like being SoS.

zoombi.1498:

Jaxs.5830:

Peetee.9406:

Hey now! Share the love!

At some point I’d like to face a server not running 60+ man blobs on every map.

There is nothing about SoR that makes them any different other than they are not currently on top of the three way stack fest that is T1.

except for refusing to buy guilds. which is the diametric opposite of jq and bg.

This is not strictly true.

Meglobob.8620:

1) No more queues. Awesome for Asia/China when GW2 releases, they will never know queues in WvW. Also, awesome if there’s ever a season 2 of WvW. Its just good that you can always play WvW even at primetime when all maps are full.

This is misleading, queues will still exist for the other WvW maps, EOTM will be for kitten ing because nothing you do there matters.