Guild Wars 2

Handin.4032:

It would be a good system if the random roll wasn’t between -1 and 1. So a much lower ranked server that gets a +0.9 might face a server with high rank that got a -0.9. This would result in a really unbalanced match.

Thank you thats a better explanation than what anet provided and you’re right the range is clearly far too wide, absolutely crystal clear.

Handin.4032:

So, I’m interested to see how this plays out..but they definitely should limit the effect of RNG on a full week of WvW. RnG for matches should not cause a whole server of people to get dominated. EVER. We already have to deal with RnG so much in our GW2 lives.

This.

Kryyg.8576:

Does Anet not understand that the coverage difference between Tier 3 and Tier 2 is immense and the coverage difference between Tier 2 and Tier 1 is INSANE, the difference between a Tier 1 and Tier 3? LOLLLLLLL

To even consider putting a T1 server against T2 or T3 is outrageous.
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Its not outrageous but they have to find a way to properly gauge when such matchups should occur, based on the example provided they have not found it. I would actually suggest that Anet shouldn’t implement this until they have tweaked it to an extent that the proposed matchups look more reasonable.

Curo.2483:

Mif.3471:

The only thing that worries me, is that matchups like these won’t be competitive:

I think the point of this new system is that the old ratings are not an accurate measure of a server’s skill.

Neither is the new measure based on the example.

Sunspots.9861:

Anet: “Is Kaineng better than Jade Quarry? Before we never knew, but soon they might get a chance to prove it.”

That pretty much sums up the new system. I think we’re done here.

This. OK its a rhetorical question but one with no validity whatsoever.

A couple of things:
1. a more detailed laymans explanation has to be provided, eg. why have BGs and SORs rating gone down but FA and DB increase? The example indicates that the range and/or deviation is too wide.
2. the example is obviously from a couple of weeks ago before SOR became the no. 1 ranked server. Please provide an example based on the final scores from last week.
3. There is a 100% probability that some servers will be stomped badly in the new matchups. This will be reflected negatively in their actual rating to an extent that isn’t justifiable.

Furikake.4052:

Liberated at 1:30 p.m. server time on NA Tarnished Coast.

Finally got my PVT trinkets with this opening, thank you TC.

Any NA open now?

zhonnika.1784:

morrolan.9608:

zhonnika.1784:

Would be nice to get this info soon. I understand they may want to prevent people from farting around and messing with their score to game the new rankings (if this even possible), but with a change as big as this sounds, a few days notice would be great.

A weeks notice is fundamentally required.

Which is why I’m expecting it Tuesday morning, about an hour before the update rolls out.

Actually I meant a week before the reset where the match ups change. Tuesday is a couple of days too late IMHO.

zhonnika.1784:

Would be nice to get this info soon. I understand they may want to prevent people from farting around and messing with their score to game the new rankings (if this even possible), but with a change as big as this sounds, a few days notice would be great.

A weeks notice is fundamentally required.

Geotherma.2395:

You know what I don’t see? Complaint threads about RNG drops from mobs.

There are, they just aren’t couched in that term. There have been plenty of threads about open world loot drops.

Geotherma.2395:

There are more variables aside from a simple percentage. They will not tell us what they are because it would allow people to circumvent the system and RNG by knowing exactly how to pinpoint what affects the RNG numbers.

Yet there are other games that do. I suspect the chance is so low anet know that there would be an outcry.

Victory.2879:

1k badges would be WAY too high for low tier players or anyone that doesn’t run with the zerg in primetime.

They really get to get sensible and make badges tradeable along with dungeon drops and ascended gears (before wearing, bind on wearing is not an issue) so that everyone has access to them including the more casual players.

This, a thousand times this. They employ an economist let him work out an equitable exchange rate between the different tokens.

Excalibur.9748:

WvW players don’t have any laurels at all.

Yeah they do, especially with new WvW tasks as promised. I’d rather laurels if it means a reduced badge price.

Any NA open? 15 chars

Yaks Bend (my former server) they haven’t lost too many, although unfortunately they haven’t gained as much as they should have either.

scootshoot.6583:

Have to feel sort of bad for the recent BG transfers in Rise, WM, Meow, Thai, etc. They definitely did not transfer to BG for “PVE” content as that could be had anywhere.

Why would you feel bad for bandwagoners?

Jet.4795:

I think it is funny how when JQ ticks low we are accused of throwing in the towel. I understand some BL’s we may not have much if any of a force on a map. However SoR you guys did not have much of a force during SEA time awhile back when you guys were ticking 150ish. We never accused of you guys throwing in towel though.

All servers have forum warriors who trash talk other servers even JQ.

Cerialkilla.3571:

Man did SoR pick up a few NA guilds too? I know they got Iron which is EU right. The NA coverage has always been Good… above average to good, but right now their NA is just crazy I swear every maps got 50-80 everywhere you look. Not hating mad props lookin good in na lately. I hate that all of jq NA guild gave up and jumped over to dragonbrand because sea time still goes strong if only we had some na again. I had a 2 minute queue on bgbl last night for the first time in who knows how long. Not counting reset night though

It may be the effect of EU bleeding into NA, not just EU players playing later but NA players having T3 keeps coming into their timezone allowing them to take more opposition keeps and towers rather than spending time defending and building up our own keeps.

Herr der Friedhoefe.2490:

Run the arithmaticky that we all learned in school and I expect ascended gear to come in around 1k badges. That’s not a lot for an active WvW player,

Yeah it is actually. Like I said before it should be in the range of 250 badges.

Veldan.4637:

morrolan.9608:

taek.9386:

You need to include ascended backpieces!! I don’t want to to Fractals just to earn them

This! Pretty ridiculous that its only available via 1 method.

Except it isn’t, you can make them in the mystic forge.

OK then change that to aren’t available at a reasonable cost without going into fractals.

McFribble.2349:

No, Arrow Carts have changed the Meta for the BETTER.

Making the game into siege vs siege is not for the better nor are the larger zergs that this has caused.

Any NA servers open?

Sentinel VX.1392:

morrolan.9608:

Hubcap.8417:

It is now OPEN on Tarnished Coast NA.

And TC is full.

It doesn’t matter as you can still guest on full server.

I tried, it was grayed out……. unless I had used up my guest passes.

taek.9386:

You need to include ascended backpieces!! I don’t want to to Fractals just to earn them

This! Pretty ridiculous that its only available via 1 method.

Esprit Dumort.3109:

Even though people don’t like it, Laurels is still a pseudo-gating tactic and encourages you to do activities beyond what you’d normally do. Need your last item… oh, a JP, I’ll go do that.

Except they have stated that they are adding more WvW achievements.

DevonCarver.5370:

Cottage Pie.6215:

you’ll never be able to buy ascended items for badges.

1) badges are kitten easy to get on high tiers, this is so you can buy lots of siege.
2) waaaay too many people are stuffed senseless with badges and are too selfish too buy lots of siege and want rewards for themselves, aka ascended items.

It’s not ever going to happen, and you can quote me on it

Just fulfilling my obligations here. Costs and more info will be out with the patch notes. Enjoy!

When will that be? As the patch hits? You really need to let people know earlier, especially the prices and the way the rankings will change. Quite frankly having just used a lot of badges on invader gear because kittening grenth is never open now it better not be too expensive in terms of badges.

Causic.3798:

STILL need laurels…
What a let down.

I don’t mind the combination I just don’t want the price in either laurels OR badges to be prohibitively expensive, eg. max badges per ascended piece should be no more than 250 badges.

Sentinel isn’t exactly the same as PVT and we shouldn’t have to buy it off the TP if we have the karma.

I’ve been waiting 2 weeks for Grenth to open in my TZ on any server and tried to do it multiple times without success, its ridiculous. Around 2 months ago they had hit something of a sweet spot with Orr IMHO why on earth they felt they needed to continue tinkering with it is beyond me.

Hubcap.8417:

It is now OPEN on Tarnished Coast NA.

And TC is full.

Archmortal.1027:

Yeah this. To be perfectly honest the way Dynamic Events are now is fine for me. I like it way better than questing systems in other MMOs. Truly dynamic events that are ever-changing is just flat out beyond what any non-ending game is capable of at the moment. It would take too much programming and more than anything it would be insurmountably finite. The game simply could not create permutation after permutation of progressing events while players carve through them at the pace they typically do.

Dynamics events across the whole game world instead of quests are definitely the way to go for future mmos.

We got a guild bounty on Southsun on Fri, thankfully there was no chance we were going to be able to complete it despite the fact that we ended up in Southsun. Pretty ridiculous.

Vayne.8563:

Not one of these quotes is from the manifesto.

Edit: And I disagree with most of your assessements about this stuff being true or not anyway.

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Guild_Wars_2_Design_Manifesto

Its definitely worse.

Vayne.8563:

Okay prove it. Show me.

“It doesn’t suck your life away and force you onto a grinding treadmill;”

“In addition to great storyline and important player choices, another hallmark of great RPGs is that they create a world that feels real and alive. Let’s say a village is being terrorized by bandits. You don’t want to find out about that because there’s a villager standing there motionless with an exclamation mark over his head who says when you click on him, “Help, we’re being terrorized by bandits.” You want to find out like you would in GW2: because the bandits are attacking, chasing villagers through the streets, slaying them and setting their houses on fire. You can stand up for the villagers, or you can watch their village burn to the ground and then deal with the consequences. We’ve worked hard to create a living, dynamic world for you, where there’s always something new to do.”

“Of course GW2 has great support for parties, but they just don’t feel as necessary as they do in other MMOs,”

“Finally, since combat is such a core part of the gameplay of any MMO, we’ve put a lot of emphasis into rethinking combat. So much of traditional MMO combat is rote and repetitive. You execute the same strategy over and over again, just augmented over time with better and better gear. After a while it starts to feel like you’re playing a spreadsheet. Combat needs to be about making creative choices, and it needs to feel immediate, active, and visceral. So we’ve put a huge focus on strengthening our combat, giving the player limitless choices, and providing the thrill and joy of being in combat.

The original GW featured a CCG-like skill system that allowed each player to discover unique combos and new strategies. Theoretically every Elementalist in the game could approach combat with a different strategy. In fact players found thousands of interesting strategies over the years, most of which our designers never anticipated, which is always the sign of a flexible system.

GW2 shares this flexible skill system. "

“Then we add environmental weapons to mix up combat even more. In the original GW you’d sometimes find a catapult or trebuchet that you could take over and fire at enemies. That’s one type of environmental weapon, and in GW2 we have dozens more. If a Stone Elemental throws a boulder at you, pick it up and throw it back. Or as an Elementalist, use that boulder to create a meteor storm”

“It all gets back to our basic design philosophy. Our games aren’t about preparing to have fun, or about grinding for a future fun reward. Our games are designed to be fun from moment to moment.”

Vayne.8563:

That is the one single line in the manifesto that certainly was misleading “It takes everything you love from Guild Wars 1 and puts it into a persistent world”.

There is actually more than that.

Aieo.2815:

The chest is a guaranteed rare or above drop. It’s dropped by any mobs/players/npcs in WvW.

Edit: You can find it in PvE environment too.

I don;t think its rare or above, isn’t it meant to be blue or above?

cesmode.4257:

Hi,
Specifically on the servers that havent seen a hue drop in Orr population in past months..but is Orr losing people to southsun?

At this stage yes due to the April patch and the ridiculous new event scaling.

Pandalishus.8426:

David Omega.5207:

Was I seriously suppose to infer from the keyword “Unique” that I could only equip one?

Yes.

_u·nique [yoo-neek]
adjective
1. existing as the only one or as the sole example; single; solitary in type or characteristics: a unique copy of an ancient manuscript.

Do we really have to go over and over this again? Dunno why you and others need to try and validate the lack of a warning.

Only 1 doesn’t exist, I can have 1 on alts, I know 100,000s are probably being worn in the game world.

dimgl.4786:

It also seems pointless to me that certain gear that I think looks aesthetically pleasing is useless to me because it doesn’t have the right stats…

Uh transmutation stones.

Ryuujin.8236:

The “unique” designation on an item isn’t unique to GW2

Bind on equip, bind on acquire, soul bound, account bound – these are hand-me down terms from mainstream MMOs, and people don’t (usually) claim ignorance of them. “Unique” is in exactly the same boat.

You need to read previous debates on this, unique is used in SOME mmos (not inc. GW1) its not close to being a a universal term.

Raine.1394:

Agree. The design of events in open world PvE should revolve around the player you find there, and that would be a wide diversity of players. This is a recognition something akin to how form follows function guides architecture. You don’t design open world events addressed to hardcore, highly skilled players. Anet has actually said they were attempting to do this with Grenth and it’s simply the wrong thing to do.

Its a ridiculous thing to do, especially when they gate specific content behind it which is highly desirable and can’t be got elsewhere except maybe dungeons.

Zindrix.1750:

So I guess the point really is that should these be dungeon-hard? I don’t see any groups on gw2lfg.com for them when I searched before, and the rewards are for ACCESS to PURCHASE something, not actual physical rewards. It just doesn’t quite add up I guess.

Course they shouldn’t be, anet have their head in the sand or maybe even individual devs in this area who have their own ideas and are influencing outcomes.

How long does it stay uncontested? FA apparently opened within the last 2 hours but its already closed again.

mercury ranique.2170:

The daily’s and monthly’s where added later and definitly not a part of the design of these events.

Bottom line is that I did all temple events several times and with success on the first attempt. Balthazar and Grenth are indeed easier to fail, but still very doable if you know what your doing.

I didn’t mean the design for the events themselves I mean the intent of anet behind adding karma jugs. There is after all no other use for karma apart from legendaries.

Hmmm my skill lag is worse.

PraetorMortis.8610:

Set a list of goals for players to complete, give various rewards for completion, coolness of reward scales with difficulty. Simple.

Climb the mountain: get a small prize.
Climb the mountain, enter the cave: get a bigger prize.
Climb the mountain, enter the cave, slay the dragon: really amazing prize.

This lack of motivation that persists in the game causes players to sit around farming or just doing daily events rather than really playing the game. CoF p1 runs all day are profitable so lets ignore the other zillion dungeons out there.

If there was a goal like: help the Pact defend Orr and you get a reward. People would be out there. If the goal was help the Lionguard battle cavebats, I promise those bats would be dead. Just look at Southsun. An otherwise unliked and abandoned zone is crawling with players because ArenaNet told us to go there and do stuff for a prize.

An achievement based game > a gold driven game.

TL;DR Gold-based economy is old, outdated, and doesn’t work. Achievement based games are fun, set goals for players, keep players engaged.

Good suggestions I endorse this.

Aveneo.2068:

So once you get a single Champion Wraith, that event WILL FAIL every single time because of its ridiculously long channel of Life Transfer.

This, doing Grenth even since the patch has the same issue. Its poor game design, increasing difficulty by simply giving monster an overpowering ability.

Are any NA servers open?

mercury ranique.2170:

The event’s are not really too hard, unless you have a decent amount of people to do it who actually knows what they are doing. The rewards for flipping a temple are also high so it is intended to be challenging.

Thats incorrect IMHO, the game is set up so you should have enough karma when you reach 80 to buy a temple set as your first exotic if you want.

And there’s a difference between challenging and close to impossible

1 or 2 servers have had grenth open since Tuesday’s patch as far as I’ve seen, IMHO thats not really reasonable.

Avatar of Indra.6908:

The older content should in fact be adjusted to be a little easier since most players have moved on to other things within the game as the only thing that remains in Orr with the exception of a few stragglers, is the footprints in the dirt from the player horde that once came through.

Yep, especially when the temple armor and trinkets is clearly what they want people to be able to use for their first exotic set. Sure have it difficult with large numbers of people but its completely off because they’re far too hard for the low numbers that are in Orr. Grenth should just be put back to the way it was originally when the game came out, probably arah as well.

GavinGoodrich.1382:

Just wondering—they pretty much are redefining the mold of MMORPG the way they’re doing it, and with no subscription fee and consantly new events how do you think they’re making enough money? The game itself is getting cheaper, too (sales n’ such) are they just doing THAT well that I shouldn’t be concerned for the company?

Yeah, never before have I felt a game was so good that I’d be concerned they weren’t charging enough. I just don’t want this to go away, lol

Money from the gem store, the game is riddled with mechanisms clearly forcing players towards buying gems. Whether thats a good or bad thing is up to the player. Personally I think its a bad thing, probably unsustainable in the long term, because of the reputational damage.

TacoJoe.6083:

Traps mean you need a larger Zerg.

You need the larger group of people so that when the trap does go off and you loose 100 supply there are more than enough people who are unaffected so you can build the Trebs to take down the ACs to build the rams to take the gate down. The game has made it so you need 300+ supply to effectively start a siege on a tower or keep. (one superior Treb, enough for a second in case it gets taken down, and an AC to protect against the push out)

When you take into consideration that you now have to assume you will loose 200 supply that means approx. 50 people in your group. That is with resupply runs mid siege.

AC buff means you need a larger Zerg.

Spot on, this was immediately obvious as the effect. As always anet do not think of the wider implications. The AC changes the traps both work to make zerging even more prevalent.