Guild Wars 2

Well, actually downed state IS a problem because to kill someone you need specific classes, unless you are already dominating the fight. You need warriors or guardians.

Shen.4206:

but please imagine a picture of wall fell, tower shattered and the castle full of fire, two team of champions fighting for their homeland.They capture mercs, tame beasts, enslave demons from the forest,island,underwater nearby
oh, I wet myself

So Lol is not appealing to you, I guess. That’s why is the least successful esport ever.

eye candy is useless if you can’t see what’s going on. We have enough of visual impact ruining the game.

I saw one rapid fire lol match. You know what the problem was? You already knew who was going to win. Without cooldowns there weren’t clutch escapes, outplays and similar. The build counted more than the player.

Penguin.5197:

Look at that design (image), even the devs want halberds in game now and they know it All they gotta do now is make it a little longer~

After playing dark souls 2, I would love to see spears, lances, halberds and so forth too!

We need the Giantdad set. To bash casuls.

Durzlla.6295:

It’s clear that the people who think it’s an insult don’t play LoL…

It’s a legit game mode, it’s unbalanced as hell, and just for fun, the average skill CD is like 2s, if you thought GW2 was spammy you know nothing…

Btw, if ANYTHING it’s poking fun at Dawngate, which is essentially LoL with shorter CDs, no energy on most characters and an insane amount of gold generation, GW2 is a totally different beast.

Yeah, but it looks A LOT like GW2. Flashy and chaotic.

It’s fun for a while, but it’s unbalanced and can’t be taken seriously.

Well, wow had blood elves. Does that count?

In general, warrior excels on larger scales fight, and when the enemy can’t run much, IMHO.

I was joking btw.XD

Even if I am left handed, I can put up with this.XD

Seerstrange.4723:

Staff warrior apparently makes the class a twisted hybrid of Wukong and Fizz lol. Throw the stick man kittening sour stomach and I can’t stop laughing, thanks =_=.

And don’t forget Jax.

Ralkuth.1456:

Symbol builds, you pretty much nailed the trait setup for optimal performance.
When you run shouts, consecration and a staff, you should always be aiming to support in a teamfight.

About Bunkers:
Bunkers will die 1v1 yes, but then you’re not to blame. Normally you can stall long enough until your teammates come. Just make sure you type in team chat “1 mid” “2 mid” “im down” “2 to close” “they trebbing mid” ASAP to inform your teammates of what is going on around you. Your goal is to stall until help arrives then assist combat.

You will be useful to the team as a Bunker because you can safely res with your knockbacks, probably tank the AoE cleave for a short time, immobilise enemies for your team, and immediately stomp downed enemies with stability. You can also prevent death by using healing skills to prop up teammates until their CDs are up. By using all of your skills, hopefully you’ll be a big nuisance to the other team. Blind, aegis, knockbacks, launches, walls, reflects… lots of skills to switch and use.

Summary:
Run Bunker when you have a team on TS3 and you have established set roles with bunkers and roamers. Even though team compositions have changed, there is always room for a support Bunker Guardian, and this phenomenon has a reason. Require good communication and responsive listeners. I usually run Bunker in solo queue (or solo in team queue) because no one does and I can offer res and stomp services.
Run Symbol DPS in hotjoin/random tourney to carry your team with a mix of damage and support. Need good teammates for maximal effect.
Run Trip Med when you have a decent group, lack a thief and just want to have fun. Also able to hard carry if skilled.

Guardian is a very group combat oriented class. You’re not meant to 1v1 (except Trip Med). With what you wanted in mind, I hope you enjoy Symbol DPS in PvP.

Thanks! I can’t tell you enoug of much this is helpful!^^

Yeah, I admit I don’t like to play bunker very much, so I don’t exercize much with him. I love meditation, though, even if I still don’t know when to use him. I’m new to guardian and I spent too much time buildcrafting instead of finding a precise role.XD

What I don’t like is the idea of smiplifying the game… as if it was too complex.

It’s not what is keeping away new players in my opinion.

Nope.

We need 2-handed axes first.

I want a brutal hardcore weapon that makes the enemy tremble in fear when I use it right.

JonathanSharp.7094:

Justin had the crux of the reasoning correct – it’s a small tweak to your build that a lot of players could do without. It’s a very small stat change in exchange for another aspect of a PvP build. By removing it, it’s one less thing a new player needs to learn. With runes, sigils, amulets, weapon skills, slotted skills, minor traits and major traits, making a build is a pretty hefty process. Jewels were a very, VERY small % of that overall build.

Trust me, doing focus tests and watching new players play the game, our builds can be very overwhelming. You guys are experts by now, but you have to keep in mind that other players are not as advanced as you are, and removing pieces to the builds allows us to slightly lower the barrier to entry.

So you agree it’s not about balance, but about simplifying the game.

Because let’s face it, jewels don’t make much of a difference, except giving some builds an easier time working.

I might agree it might have been something redundant, but IMHO it didn’t hurt to leave it alone.

Oh, another thing: reducing stat customizability might actually hinder balance. Why? Because by making stat optimization harder to obtain, you reward classes that can modify their stats best by other way. AkA Warriors. And I don’t need jewels management in order to do that.

One might also say that the more freedom you give to players, the higher the chance they can sort something out to counter enemy builds, then you show up and nerf the ones no one managed to counter. Or just make them harder to play.

Another thing:

I don’t think that simplifying the game is casual friendly at all.

It follows the philosophy of “you are casual and shall remain one”. Reducing things to learn means reducing the chances of a player to grow and lear more about the game.

In general the game is already very casual unfriendly, because you have a very hard time telling if you are actually improving or not.

And animations are not clear enough to make you understand what’s going on during a fight.

Dark Souls is casual friendly, because it offers you a challenge (challenge = fun), and rewards you everytime you understand something about the game. After giving you the chance of understanding it, without flashy effects. You don’t need to do the same thing over and over again to react on reflex, be fast and so on.
If you make a mistake, the game makes you know that by killing you. If you did something right, the game makes you know that with the defeat of a boss or something else.

In GW2 I might play hundreds of tournaments doing something wrong without knowing it, because in the mess of the fight it went unnoticed.

If you want a player friendly game, think about the reward and the punishment. And the room a player has to understand what’s going on.

I’m not saying it’s easy in a MMORPG, but I think that’s the goal I’d strive for.

ronpierce.2760:

Not sure if that’s sarcasm or not, but, whatever. In LoL you don’t have much choice of how the characters are made up. That’s easy to balance. The problem with GW2 isn’t the variation it’s the freedom of variation. If they did away with talents, stats, sigils, runes and gave you 40 classes it’d be more balance than it is currently because they could reach a certain margin on each character over a course of time without worry of theory crafters shaking that balance. Are you even trying to use your brain, or are you just screaming that the sky is falling? Be honest so I don’t waste my time.

That’s not quite right: In lol some items are incredibly build defining.

Example: if I play Cho’gath, I can build him as a tank. But I can also build him as an AP bruiser, or an AP assassin (I mean heavily burst-oriented). Or as a jungler.

Not mentioning there are a lot of things I can specialize in. If you consider items as traits, many have potentially gamechanging effects as well.

And I don’t want 40 classes. That’s too few. I want 118 of them like in lol. Not considering different stats combinations.

However, the problem in GW2 isn’t much balance, but the fact that top tier builds are the worst possible.

As long as we don’t have left-handed people in the game, it’s allright, I guess.XD

I was talking about using the staff in that might stacking build. I agree, triple med is too bursty for staff.

About symbol builds, what do I get in the honor traitline? Shout reduction, condi cleanse on shouts and then Writ of the Merciful? Is it a good idea to fight someone alone, or should I always stick with allies?

I admit I enjoy dps guardian much more than bunker guardian (I feel I’m useful in teamfight, but I die to anyone in 1v1 eventually as bunker), but I’ll try and follow your suggestion, thanks!^^

Jax.5261:

Blasino.3128:

The might stacking hammer sounds really interesting. I would like to see that build when you are done with it =).

http://tinyurl.com/dymb6py

Not finished yet but this is currently what I’m testing.

What about using staff instead of scepter? You should be able to go abouve 20 stacks with empower and might!

Ralkuth.1456:

You also say Sw/F + Sc/F? Normally you would bring an additional secondary like Torch. If by “balanced” you mean soldiers amulet, please don’t. Without zerker’s you can’t kill squishies, and you have no pressure.

No, I meant Sw/F, Sc/T, sorry.XD

By balanced I wanted to refer to the build posted on page 1, I use berserker.

However, you mean sword is actually more burst oriented, even if it relies on autoattack? I see.
It makes sense that med guardian is burst because has some spike heals.

However, I must be doing something wrong: the times I tried symbol dps I felt really squishy. Maybe it was because I was in hotjoin, so the low mobility was an issue.

However, I never realized symbols were that strong O_O

I don’t care, I want warriors changed because optimal builds just play themselves. It’s not interesting anymore.

Not nerfed, but changed.

Bash.7291:

In personal experience, versus good mesmers, and also playing a mesmer vs good guardians, yes. Engineers and Mesmers seem to be our hard counter classes, at least when played well. Kind of like how we counter any minion classes (like spirit ranger/MM necro) Though once again, this is personal opinion.

Wait, I have the opposite experience as med: I tear through mesmers and can’t do anything against mm necro.

Hi, I’m playing med guardian (I still can’t get the hang of dps with shouts), and I’m having fun with it, but I’m having some problems with two enemies: MM necro and bunker guardian.

With a build very similar to the balanced roamer (Sw/F, Sc/F) I can’t seem to hurt the first before he finishes me off, and can’t take down the second.

Is kiting minions while shooting at the necro with scepter a viable strategy? If not, what works?

And about bunker guardian, is there a way I can take him down single-handedly? Should I use mace instead of sword? Does it do better dps aswell?

Another thing is using Runes of Speed. Useful for roaming in general to speed up movement, and to have an easier time with kiters.

Lostwingman.5034:

redslion.9675:

You are free to be anything you want in gw2 human world. As long as it implies being young and beautiful.

Not true, you can be an old person. I think.

Well I have seen young people with white hair put in place of old people.

What if humans are actually enslaved in a nightmarish society where you get killed at 30 years and every memory of your existence is erased?XD

You are free to be anything you want in gw2 human world. As long as it implies being young and beautiful.

It’s a big deal because Anet tried to sell ot as a plot twist.

And then… pvp developement has been sacrificed for this? Not enough.XD

Leeto.1570:

Or maybe make every other race as small as asura?
I think i deserve to have advantage over blind people in video game.

When you are asura, you see everything bigger.

But who cares, pvp is nonetheless all about spamming, who gives two cats about reading animations?

Darksteel.8412:

warrior vs good players are incredibly underpowered….to most classes they don’t stand a chance at all….anet, pls stop fullfilling the casual pve players wishes…they won’t make the game exist for long…they will hop to any newly released game… you need the dedicated playerbase in order to make gw2 last as long as gw1…nor does the casual player support the gemstore enough….for they are casual…. the warrior needs a tremendous buff in order to stand a chance against the better players….community, please stop lying…the warrior is far…FAAAAAAAR from overpowered

The problem is when I play warrior i feel like the client is partially playing for me. Not fun.

The issue is not OPness by itself.

DanzelOPP.5068:

Hambow warrior eating you up?? I dunno use some power damage?

People get angry when they die, but guess what that is just part of the game…there will always be someone better than you or a spec that counters yours…that doesn’t make it OP.

The only legitimate complaints in my opinion as of right now are:
Hambow warriors

Make up your mind.XD

However, I keep saying this: balance isn’t the main problem, the dumbness of top builds is.

Tsume.3490:

I did not want to offend you, but I am used that people make younger characters since everyone wants to be younger and prettier – BUT I did not rate you because of the age. It was because of the eye patch on a warrior duh

Yeah, not true.

I’d love to play a human guardian that looks intimidating and brutal. Not a barbie girl/guy in a barbie world.

Butter.3024:

I actually enjoyed PvP a lot. Especially when i played with guildies and friends. Sure the balance isn’t perfect but so is other popular esport like Dota or LoL. Plus you can always reroll to another class.

If anything I wished Anet adds more game modes soon like deathmatch or something like that. Playing the same game mode for more than one year does get a bit tiring xD.

Am I really the minority when I actually enjoyed PvP?

Everyone is like that. Problem is we could enjoy it MUCH more than this.

And I don’t think balance is the issue. The issue is that the strongest builds around are also the easiest to play, making fights less interesting.

Add evade to autoattack.

Even better: add evade to movement.

Mike.4830:

1. Get Better Internet, I am rich, I never lag
2. Stop Random Evading, that is why your evades are “missing”
3. Balance is more important than your poor internet
4. Your slow that is why your ability “goes off too late”
5. GO to PvE if PvP is too much for you

1. k den
2. Wait… isn’t it what pros do? I mean… when you have perma vigor + sigil of energy you HAVE to random dodge, if you don’t want to waste endurance.
3. What balance?
4. Pros predict the lag?
5. A lot of players did, because pvp was too much (sillyness) for them.

XD

kristof.7182:

I miss faces from GW1 (Nightfall for example):
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/File:Warrior_nightfall_face_m.jpg
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/File:Dervish_nightfall_face_m.jpg

Make it happen, please!

@EDIT: If you want Ken’s face – that’s ok. But please, add facial muscles!

kitten

Those faces

Are beautiful.

Well, what about an invasion system like Dark Souls?

You give PvE players the chance of getting into a Fractal/dungeon mode with higher rewards (it shouldn’t have nothing that can’t be acquired elsewher, but it should have more of it). But they have the chance of getting invaded by other players.

Invaders have to get into invading queue through the heart of the mists, and a random party of 5 will invade the dungeon. If they manage to stomp the invaded players, they earn something.

Here are some rules that could work:

-Invaders will invade using pvp gear, traits and skills. This means they’ll have lower stats and overall less choice than the invaded. The instance should not be too much gear demanding (i.e.: requires the players to play a certain build/use certain type gear in order to clear it) or time consuming.

-Mobs will not attack invaders. (or they might, not sure about this one)

-Players in the fractal can’t be invaded if they are fighting a boss or in certain other dangerous areas. If they get invaded, they can’t gain acces to the boss until the fight is over.

-(optional) Invaders will have a time limit to defeat the opponents. If the fight isn’t over before the timer goes to 0, invaders will be teleported away. They will be rewarded for each opponent defeated. By this way, you should be able to counter trolling attempts with bunker by either sides.

-The instance can be invaded only a certain amount of times.

This would make many people happy: you won’t be forced to play it, but you’ll be able to play pve with the thrill of impending pvp. You’ll give purpose to pvp (as of now, it looks more like a minigame than part of gameplay) and you’ll have a chance to make it work with lore (am I wrong, or are the mists some sort of no man’s land?).

I’d love to have the chance to chenge the color of light effects, even if just for myself. I’d like my guardian to be more similar to a dark knight.XD

Vanthian.9267:

redslion.9675:

I’m all for equal rights, but this would actually sound pretty patronizing.

Kind of like completely disregarding someone solely because they have a single opinion on something that you disagree with… hmm…

(not directed at you but at most of these recent threads concerning this stupid kiss and how everything in this game and real life is homophobic because they disagree. Oh no the horror, someone disagrees with you mass hysteria ensues.)

Wait, I meant something different.
What I don’t like are caricatural enemies, made by putting together everything that you (rightfully) consider wrong.

As a Star Trek fan, I have seen that happen in TNG with the Ferengi (who were supposed to be the anti-federation) and in VOY with the Kazon. Both were failure as enemies, something to laugh at more than something to be afraid of. And yes, every episode with them in it seemed patronizing other than silly.

I’m more concerned about the story than politics. And black and white separation between good guys and bad guys is usually dangerous for the health of a story.

Novomundum.8325:

Kazuhiro.5809:

Funnily enough, anet has no problem with sticking “and they’re misogynists” onto villains just because it makes them more “evil” and villainous—not one but two enemy factions have something against women: The Flame Legion and the Sons of Svanir.

Really? I never noticed it until now. Those two factions do seem to be the most stupid in my opinion. Maybe it’s Anet’s way of saying only idiots don’t believe in equal rights XD

I’m all for equal rights, but this would actually sound pretty patronizing.

Obsidian.1328:

It’s because GW2 ANet wants you to see the cultural diversity of this game in the Charr, Norn, Asura, Sylvari, Kodan, Tengu, Quaggan, etc. and not in the human cultures.

They want you to set aside the intra-human cultural distinctions of GW1 because it would be unfair to the new playable races that humans have such a rich history.

They are trying to create an entirely new cultural fabric of Tyria where “species” are important, not “ethnicity”, because this is what they want GW2 Tyria to be now.

They own the rights to the game and can do whatever the heck they want. And they want cats, rats, plants, giant humans, bears, hawks, manatees, etc.

Krytans are white because they think it’s a neutral(and safe) tone.

Well, I don’t think the lack of background is necessarily a disadvantage.

I might be wrong, but I always thought that one of the reason the setting of Conan the Barbarian was popular was because it had near to no background (older civilizations have been wiped out, new ones are too young to have a story or a fixed culture).mIt gives a different, but not worse feeling.

Let me see if I got you right OP

You are saying that this game is BOTH casual friendly and competitve, but for the wrong reasons.

It’s competitive because you have to choose certain builds and have a certain mindset in order to win. And other players demand you that.

It’s casual friendly because the builds require almost nothing from players.

While it should be like this:

The game should be competitive because it requires you to improve, know your class, understand the flow of a fight and turn it in your favor, actively work to make your build work.

The game should be casual friendly by offering a relaxed environment where players can have fun by actually playing the game and improving at it. That is, playing the game should make you a better gamer, without the need of obsessive practice.

If you wanted to say that, I agree 100%

mighty meak.6387:

and I say it’s all right

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTnDttx8PPU

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I actually wanted to make a spellsword character.

I didn’t want to play a guardian because I wanted something less “divine”.

But whatever, med guardian is fun and is fun as spellsword: you go in, hit hard, then dodge/block away. You always risk to die. It’s so much fun, and I’m converting all my guildies to dps guard in spvp.

Egon Vidar.9125:

Thankfully I am a very patient man.

Darkbattlemage.9612:

redslion.9675:

A NET, we want more ugly characters! Less dolls, more veterans who bear the sign of battle!

Why do I have a feeling that there be a increase in battle scarred norn npcs now? Is it only me?

Norn NPCs? More scarred-up PCs, please. The only real option for a battle-scarred sylvari (I have four male sylv) is the noseless face, and I’d rather not go muppet-face just yet.

And there aren’t any real face options for male asura, just “terribly old.”

Scarrs alone are not enough. We need the chance to add wrinkles, and a skin which is not utterly perfect.

This might look offtopic, but it’s one reason why I have trouble liking this couple.

RoxBuryNine.4210:

I’m surprised that this thread is still open given the fact that the OP was posted two months ago. Since then the thread has drifted off-topic to be more about people’s personal feelings about homosexuality and is on the verge of being an attack against one or two people who have posted their opinions. It appears to me that the moderator must be waiting for someone to finally the take the bait.

Then they’ll read my plea:

A NET, we want more ugly characters! Less dolls, more veterans who bear the sign of battle!

Seems like it’s almost impossible to make a human which will look older than 25.

What about THIS prince?

http://media.blogapuntate.it/W/Wil/WillyilprincipediBelAir.jpg

Mad Queen Malafide.7512:

redslion.9675:

She should have looked much worse than that, actually. She almost got killed, right?

Well if her face was covered in third degree burns, the scene wouldn’t look very romantic, would it?

I think it would have been MUCH more romantic.

Dustfinger.9510:

bullyrook.2165:

Narcemus.1348:

bullyrook.2165:

Narcemus.1348:

I’d disagree that the story of GW2 says the humans were the bad guys. It’s merely that, like with every war, either side is considered bad by the opposite side. I mean it would make no sense for the Charr to kill humans because they thought that they were too good. Not to mention, killing the far removed descendants of the people who took your homeland is starting a new crime. They did not directly harm you, but you directly harmed them. No matter what, you won’t come out with a clean slate for either team.

The Charr are known to eat humans. I don’t think all of them care.

Humans were known to wear the skins of charr as armor…

How would you feel if you saw a charr wearing a human hide armor?

Eating someone is a bit more brutal. The native Americans scalped their enemies at times

Some Native Americans also ate their enemies. Ed Geins made skin suits of his victims. Both acts are seen as pretty brutal. O.o

Vexander.9850:

redslion.9675:

But why do all human major characters have to be beautiful?

The kiss scene sounded fake to me for this reason: both characters looked like dolls. Perfect skin, perfect makeup, the face of a 20 year old victoria secret model.

In general, human models lack the variety of norn ones (to make a comparison with another humanoid species), and that’s a pity.

To be fair, Marjory wasn’t looking her finest in that scene. Her fast looked like it had burn marks and blisters on it.

She should have looked much worse than that, actually. She almost got killed, right?

Darkbattlemage.9612:

To rule with fear is to become a slave to fear. One will become more and more paranoid of the people they are suppose to lead, which in turn leads them to set the foundations of their own demise.

Thats looks like a cool setup for a living story, don’t you agree?XD

Yeah, let’s say that playing warrior right now is a bit… dull, IMHO.

That’s why Tarcis plays gs/lb, even if it can do less things that Hambow. At least it puts you to the test.

Paavotar.3971:

redslion.9675:

Paavotar.3971:

You might be a warrior if you punch your keyboard and loot bags appear

Well’ it’s pve after all…

Nah man, that’s how I play WvW as well.

Thief -> Hit keyboard -> loot bag
Ele -> Hit keyboard -> loot bag
Guardian -> Hit keyboard -> ?? -> Hit keyboard -> loot bag
Warrior -> Hit keyboard first -> loot bag
Mesmer -> Hit keyboard -> butterflies -> Hit keyboard -> butterflies -> Hit keyboard -> loot bag
Ranger -> loot bag
Necro -> Delicately activate Berserker Stance -> Hit keyboard -> loot bag
Engineer -> Hit keyboard -> 25 stacks of confusion -> Hit keyboard -> No confusion -> loot bag

Ooooh, right, there are bags in WvWvW too.XD

Yeah, with knight/Valkyrie stats warrs must be pretty much unstoppable. In spvp I can get them as a med guard (don’t ask me how, but seems like a decent med guard has the upper hand in a 1v1 against a warrior), in WvWvW I don’t know.

Keyce.8137:

redslion.9675:

Actually, I think the Pact should act the same way with the people it protects:

Not only the enemies, but ALL of Tyria must fear the Pact. All kingdoms must be afraid off of belittling its power.

When the Pact acts, it mast be taken for granted that ALL Tyrians are evil and will act for their advantage when given the occasion. Only the Pact knows what is right and wrong, and everyone must be protected from him or herself.

And everyone in Tyria can be the enemy of the Pact. At the first sign of disagreement, his will must be broken.

Yeah, that would be pretty brutal.
I’d love it to happen, going from this:

http://25.media.tumblr.com/286b7b9f968431fef87ed1880afb8b1d/tumblr_mfmdnsk8EL1rmcyoko1_400.jpg

To this:

https://www.blastr.com/sites/blastr/files/styles/blog_post_media/public/images/Judge_Dredd_01.jpg?itok=-7_l8r7i

That wouldn’t make much sense. The Pact exists solely for the purpose of defeating the Elder Dragons under a unified banner. Peace between most nations seems to be doing well so far, so they don’t even need to consider taking action against the various factions.

They also rely on recruits from those peoples, so trying to go all Machiavellian on them would only lead to their own demise by making EVERYONE their enemy.

I’d like to see this added to the mix of the storyline myself, as these kinds of thinkers can be the bringers of great change, but it doesn’t suit many (if any at all) of the current cast of characters we have been given. Not to mention that a Machiavellian way of thinking is doomed to fail in the long run, as eventually the people who love you will come to fear you, which will inevitably breed revolution.

Soldiers who fight out of fear of their leaders are essentially caught between a rock and a hard place: fight and die, or retreat and die. A self-motivated man has no such decision to make; he is able to retreat without fear of being cut down by his own men, because his COs will know that he will just fight all the harder to take that ground back, and then some more!

Yeah, I was just pointing out that if the Pact goes Machiavelli, it should go either way.

Too bad there is no place for it in this story, because everyone is nice and happy.XD

I mean, if it was so easy to unify the three orders, why did it take them so long?

(It is the reason why lore about Warhammer 40k is so loved, though)