Guild Wars 2

morrolan.9608:

New servers? The game needs server merges if anything.

Don’t be ridiculous.

Brando.1374:

Jaxs.5830:

15-25 is not a skill group and I wish you folks running what is effectively a zerg would stop calling it that.

25 is a zerg
15 is not a zerg but skill group/zerg busing
10 and under are small roaming gank groups

I’ve been accused at running a “mini-zerg” at 5 people. Above 5 people, I have a guildie that quits the group because he says it’s too zergy.

My opinion is when you change from calling targets to calling a leader to follow is when you cross to zerging ‘cause that’s when it changes from a focus on individuals to how well you can throw your group’s weight around.

GrandmaFunk.3052:

Waffler.1257:

When you first installed GW2, how much research did you do before you chose a server?

about an hour a day over the two weeks leading up to pre-release, keeping up to date with the guild tracker and looking up which large online communities were going where.

These days there’s more information and it’s much more accurate, so really just 2-3 hours reading up on the forums and a few community sites would be more than enough for an educated decision.

You can’t be serious.

Nevermind that the majority opinion on which servers to join is garbage. A lot of people have spent a lot of gold discovering you can’t know a server until you’re on it.

They woulda told us about any upcoming WvW changes.

King Amadaeus.8619:

Not just this thread, but every thread of this type always gets two responses:

1. Transfer (obvious)
2. “Stick it out”

With all due respect, the people that stick it out are pretty awesome, and I would never try to take anything away from them.

But if you are looking for real advice: there are just as many “sad endings” for people that rode out a server only to see it fall and burn out as there are storys like “FC” where they climbed out of the bottom of the rankings.

The real question you have to ask yourself, is that is it worth you being bored/miserable (assuming it has gotten to that point) for the possibility that a server (huge group of random individuals) will somehow “figure it all out” and make a change?

Like I said the “rags to riches” stories are great, good on those folks….But the reality is that more servers “stay the same” or actually experience a fall rather than have these big rebirths and make climbs.

TL/DR: There is nothing wrong with having server loyalty, but you should not let something like that get in the way of you enjoying the mode of gameplay you like, which coincidentally is the only mode of play (out of 3 total) that relies on server-specific play.

Yeah, a lot of transfers are due to being unhappy but transferrin isn’t gonna fix many things. A lot of guilds transfer and then fall apart, a lot of people transfer and then quit playing. WvW is about buildin somethin, fightin for somethin and when you give up on that it loses some of its magic, I think.

There’s a lot to love bein in the lower tiers. It’s a sort of wilderness, without much order, or big oversight. Everythin is scaled down, individuals matter more. Night capping and outmanned happen just as much, if not more in tier 1 and the impression I get is the map is just as empty outside the single zergs each server has put out.

Could do away with karma trains if the game didn’t keep giving us bigger and bigger gold sinks constantly.

Everything is a champ train now. They had to buff the rewards to get people back in Fractals. How kittened up is that?

Listen to Deli, not the bandwagon tools postin in the thread.

Play to better yourself, try to get in touch with others on your server. There’s always new people coming in, guilds’ll come and leave and such (just like they do in upper tiers), don’t sweat the drama, and enjoy the smaller lag free fights where what skill you got actually matters.

Sure, maybe I’m in it!

I’d like to see one without weapons.

I only skimmed it trying to find Gate of Madness clips but only found Northern Shiverpeaks? Are we in there or did you typo?

jman.7415:

Brutaly – the problem I am having is that whoever I have targeted by the time the 3rd hit goes around it never even happens so I don’t get the symbol at all. I actually want the protection buff.

Not anything you should rely on in WvW. Actual sources of protection that I can recall to count on are from traited virtue, hold the line, save yourselves, and shield.

Bendix.4568:

I’ve always liked the idea of a Golem Mastery where the first rank gives you the ability to even use a golem.
As for porting…Anet should just make it so that golems CAN NOT be ported. That would solve 50% of the issue right there. Imagine actually having to escort golems to a tower/keep instead of stack, port, stack, port, etc.

Since you can get swiftness on a golem, they’re not even that slow.

I don’t like golem rushes either.

Brutaly’s right.

Hammer’s really good for CC’ing people so that your friends can get on them. Running straight up healway you don’t really have enough DPS to take advantage of it without at least one buddy.

goldenwing.8473:

styx.7294:

goldenwing.8473:

styx.7294:

WvW is actually a lot of fun.

It’s too bad that most people on Blackgate apparently don’t know anything about WvW (bigger maps? transfer off lower population servers to higher population?).

styx, you ever play pre-Frontiers DAoC? The RvR zones were huge, all of them different worlds, large lands that required careful travel. GW2 WvW has managed to have everything in a small repeatable instance which can make for easy (travel-wise), quicker turnover. That’s not a bad design given the overall point structure.

However, it has more of the feel of a WoW/WoW clone mini-map, than something, I dare to use the word, epic.

As for population, BG is a family. Haven’t seen anyone on this thread advocating transferring one way or another.

I haven’t played DAoC but I’ve played Guild Wars 2. A lot. Much of the WvW maps are fairly empty. I wouldn’t mind if they did away with waypoints to increase transit time but spread out what might be less than half a dozen people across larger maps is a lil’ divorced from reality.

And….

Reverence.6915:

move to a competitive WvW server

Aeonblade.8709:

Move to a competitive tier

Liza.2758:

move to a competitive WvW server

I’m not making fun. I understand after being on Blackgate so long, your family telling others to transfer to higher tiers has just become so natural to you that you don’t notice it.

Incidentally, my server is also a family. Keep that in mind.

I respect that, sir.

And realize that in GW2 my experience on a high pop server is different. I have played multiple MMO’s over the last almost 14 years where that has not been the case (forced transfers, merges, and decimated population.)

Was not trying in anyway to diminsh your experience.

I get exasperated with “just transfer” remarks because that may solve the problem for a few individuals, it does not address any of the core issues.

/salute

Sorry about all the snark. There’s fewer posts comin from the lower tiers, so I try to be extra loud!

lordkrall.7241:

aspirine.6852:

Could you also do something about these godkitten ques? It is getting insane on fridays waiting for more than an hour to play the game I payed for. And dont begin about that map update because that is not solving the que problem.

What can they do though?
The queues are there for a reason, if they could have unlimited amount of players on each map I am quite sure they would.

They can make it attractive for players to spread out across the servers. Almost all the servers don’t have 1 hour queues at reset.

They can start by making it cheaper to transfer to lower ranked server. IT’S NOT THAT HARD.

Peetee.9406:

Grav.3568:

Peetee.9406:

It’s not meant to be this stupid kittening PPT meta with map politics, buying guilds and throwing matches along with the other myriad of bullkitten I’ve had to endure playing in NA T1 for the past year.

Nobody has to “endure” T1. There are seven other tiers, you know…

I’ll happily take donations for the 10000 gold it will cost to move my guild to another tier.

That’s a lot of money. Bet it’s just as much money to transfer to my rank 21 server as it is to yours.

ArenaNet, what the kitten? How is that still not fixed?

goldenwing.8473:

styx.7294:

WvW is actually a lot of fun.

It’s too bad that most people on Blackgate apparently don’t know anything about WvW (bigger maps? transfer off lower population servers to higher population?).

styx, you ever play pre-Frontiers DAoC? The RvR zones were huge, all of them different worlds, large lands that required careful travel. GW2 WvW has managed to have everything in a small repeatable instance which can make for easy (travel-wise), quicker turnover. That’s not a bad design given the overall point structure.

However, it has more of the feel of a WoW/WoW clone mini-map, than something, I dare to use the word, epic.

As for population, BG is a family. Haven’t seen anyone on this thread advocating transferring one way or another.

I haven’t played DAoC but I’ve played Guild Wars 2. A lot. Much of the WvW maps are fairly empty. I wouldn’t mind if they did away with waypoints to increase transit time but spread out what might be less than half a dozen people across larger maps is a lil’ divorced from reality.

And….

Reverence.6915:

move to a competitive WvW server

Aeonblade.8709:

Move to a competitive tier

Liza.2758:

move to a competitive WvW server

I’m not making fun. I understand after being on Blackgate so long, your family telling others to transfer to higher tiers has just become so natural to you that you don’t notice it.

Incidentally, my server is also a family. Keep that in mind.

Grav.3568:

Peetee.9406:

It’s not meant to be this stupid kittening PPT meta with map politics, buying guilds and throwing matches along with the other myriad of bullkitten I’ve had to endure playing in NA T1 for the past year.

Nobody has to “endure” T1. There are seven other tiers, you know…

No, no! People in tier 1 shouldn’t have to transfer – it’s ridiculous to assume that people’s loyalty to their server should not be recognized and celebrated.

Everyone else, however, should immediately transfer to a more competitive tier.

0/0/10/30/30 in cleric gear is a pretty popular build called healway. Most guardian just put variations on that with what fits their team or how they like to play. So from that I’d say it’s viable. I’d encourage you to try your build and experiment with variations on it for yourself.

For fine tuning, I’d say start with removing 10 from valour and putting 10 in radiance or virtues. I run precision food to keep crit chance up. I’ve found myself missing X in virtues whenever I take it away.

WvW is actually a lot of fun.

It’s too bad that most people on Blackgate apparently don’t know anything about WvW (bigger maps? transfer off lower population servers to higher population?).

Kill shot warriors are pretty easy to focus down and kill in small fights. In big fights they don’t really make as much impact as other specs.

Brutal Augus.5917:

Aeonblade.8709:

Brutal Augus.5917:

Colly.4073:

The lack of communication means they haven’t got the foggiest idea how to progress with WvWvW and Devon Carver’s Absence means he has lost the balls to face us.

Don’t hold out much hope for WvWvW.

so tell me, how many MMO’s have you developed?

I fail to see how that has any bearing on this conversation. Developer or not, the problems in WvW have been glaringly obvious since day 1, the fact that nothing has been done is heartbreaking because the entire game mode is a mountain of gold buried underneath 2 inches of tengu poop.

Still waiting for the return of Orbs of Power/ Relics
Still waiting for EoTM for better GvG areas
Still waiting for a fix for reward disparity between WvW and PvE
Still waiting for broken classes such as Rangers and Engies to get some WvW love
Still waiting for new borderlands maps etc. etc.

I’m not complaining by any means, just stating the obvious that a year and a half later with nothing done on this is disheartening and is losing them players in the game type. I get that they have to test, retest, and make sure nothing else is broken with each WvW update, but the pace of the work being done is glacial at best.

the point is obvious, developing takes time. I’m going to school to be a dev, RIGHT NOW. Though I may not be out of college and into my field yet, I will say that the things your asking for take time. Unless you’d rather them rush the implementations and cause even more problems? Its a no brainer to me. Be patient, because complaining(even though you said you weren’t) doesn’t make anything happen faster.

The game was in development for 5 years, it’s been out for 1.5 years as well. Still not even a word on them having a solution for (the still growing) population imbalance. The game still rewards you better for playing in a higher tier and rewards you better yet still for not playing WvW at all.

Since launch ArenaNet went from 300 to 350 people. All that’s in the pipes to deal with the problem of empty maps is another map.

Piedplat.3597:

That sound to me like, “upgrade our zerg”, “make zerg more effective” and “we need a wxp/karma train more effective”.

Agreed.

You want to know which is the good commander? Play the game and figure it out. The good commander probably isn’t the one karma training himself higher stats.

King Amadaeus.8619:

clint.5681:

Avatar of Belle.9623:

In the lower tiers, wvw activity dropped off sharply after leagues. Burn out and whatnot. It has been slowly picking up and I heard from friends it is better this week.

Did you transfer to mags? I am totally planning on transfering to mags whenever i come back to the game.

I R THERE. Loving it too, fun fights are fairly easy to find, you even find people who want to fight you rather than running for the nearest [insert team color] portal.

The peeps on Mag have been fairly cool too, I have seen slim-none PPT-griping. Every server has those PPT-gazers, but from what I have seen in a 3 day sample there is far less of it than on the lower tiers, which makes me happy.

King in BS and BS on Maguuma? Craziness. Say hi to Obs, I guess!

More grinding for stats?

throws food

I think the best guilds are the ones that stay on their server and help run it. No one writes songs about the guilds that put up websites, resolve drama, host TS, lead events but I think that’s the hard thing ’cause you have to keep showing up and fighting when things are actually tough.

It’s pretty hard to to make things work with people who aren’t in your guild ‘cause ultimately all you have in common with them is that you connect to the same server in the login screen. It’s more about reachin out and workin with people who may not share your common goals and that can lead to all sorts of challenges.

Guilds like that make the servers.

All I know is, in a system with 8 classes, targeting the ranger first seems like the correct choice 4 out of 5 times.

Unbalanced WvW?!

Quick, let’s fix it by transferring people to tier 1! Hurry everyone!

I can think of three reasons…

1. It’s basically free to transfer
2. You make more gold/WXP in WvW
3. You don’t have to try very hard

BirdSong.2541:

I play for the people wanting to lvl characters, gain karma, Wexp train, loot bags and well laughing in general at NSP Teamspeak shenanigans.
So why not pick the easiest target.

This isn’t really open for discussion btw, read it and just accept it.

I am so sad for you.

TeamBattleAxe.3901:

Yam.2891:

helo i love pvp

You picked the wrong game, pal.

Oh come on, Taquito, it’s not that bad. You know you have fun!

Chiolas.1326:

Dayra.7405:

Chiolas.1326:

Anet did not care in the past year and they won’t care now.

With the end of the league they lost players due to this. That may wake them up.
And with the current “I don’t care” mood in WvW they will loose a lot players to ESO. (If ESO will be able to keep them is again another story)

If you look at their Facebook and other communication tools you’ll see that they care mostly about that Living Story crap/PvE grind/PvE grind-disguised as new stuff. WvW was practically abandoned and now only receives some hotfixes nobody really cares about, just to keep the boat floating. GW2 has turned into a PvE game. FACT.

They are crying about injustice if things got changed, but the fact is that right now players that play at odd hours are being rewarded [with easymode PvE/PvD] for not having other players to play against. That’s PvE not PvP. They are just protecting their advantage like any good crooked politician.

You need to get back to reality, friend. There’s lots of reasonable things to complain about in WvW, you don’t need to take the hyperbole and run that far with it.

VOLKON.1290:

Dayra.7405:

It’s not really surprising that this opposition is from servers like Jade Quary or Blackgate
WTJs that fear competition by such a change.

To be honest, on JQ we have coverage issues as it is. (We could use more SEA I believe if any guilds are interested… ) However breaking WvW won’t fix that. You play the cards you’re dealt, and when you’re up you give them hell.

throws tomatoes I know every thread is a tier 1 recruit thread but don’t mean I have to like it!

So this is just a repeat of last week for Northern Shiverpeaks?

You transferred to tier 1 for 1v1 roaming?

My server’s been in situations where it’s expensive (you basically have be tier 8 NA small) and people don’t wanna do it ‘cause it’s too empty but that should be solved in other ways (ways that put people in empty servers).

Radian.2478:

It’s pretty much the same with siege and I don’t see people complaining about that. When no enemies are at a tower and you pre-place defensive siege, it’s the exact same concept as buying an upgrade. That is, one person paying for siege and it benefits the server as a whole, just like buying upgrades. You can kind of see this with offensive siege too, for example, a commander spending 10g on an omega golem rush or 6g on a guild catapult rush where the commander is the one that pays and the whole group benefits.

I think the cost on siege works to keep it from just being spammed everywhere. People’ll find it funny to just toss free siege everywhere they go. There isn’t the same problem with upgrades.

lordkrall.7241:

As long as you keep earning gold in WvW (and yes you do, no matter how much you try to deny it) there NEED to be gold-sinks.

Like I said, there are lots of WvW gold sinks. Upgrades aren’t a gold sink to most every WvW player already.

Smooth Penguin.5294:

If you can’t afford to upgrade, then you sit with paper gates and walls. Then your opponents have an easier time taking your stuff. If a player sacrifices their Gold to help upgrade your defenses, then you’re rewarded with tougher properties.

You aren’t Entitled to free upgrades. There’s a cost associated with it, as anything else.

Upgrades without gold costs aren’t without cost. They take time, supply, and hours of people’s time doin defense.

Gold costs for upgraded keeps aren’t paid by nearly everyone playing WvW so I fail to see how it is a cost at all to getting upgrades other than to make that one person poorer.

I really have a hard time seeing what function it serves and “giving a cost” doesn’t strike me as an argument to something that has a lot of other more restrictive costs.

ArmageddonAsh.6430:

SQLOwns.7316:

Ignoring the fact that WvW isn’t balanced around specific classes, your reasoning could not be worse. People will ALWAYS complain, being able to differentiate between valid and invalid complaints is how good balance is achieved. Right now, the class balance in this game is pretty bad. That is just a fact. I just keep an eye on the release notes hoping Anet is working on it.

Don’t hold your breathe, with Anet in control this game will NEVER be balanced. Not when they balance the game around a mode that hardly anyone plays compared to the other 2 modes.

No game is ever balanced. I don’t think the game is that much more balanced in PvE or sPvP. Balance is somethin that you do, not some place that you get. I expect them to keep putting out patches, even when things are pretty good just to shake things up.

Highlie.7641:

I sometimes wish they would make a war4 rts, then i remember its probably a good thing they haven’t

With how Starcraft 2 turned out, I’d rather never see it.

I think the game’s just designed so that goin down isn’t losin the fight and is just part of how the fight goes.

To lose you gotta be finished.

NightShadow.1429:

Personally I think they need to take a page out of Riots book. Have they majorly screwed up a time or two and have had to give a community apology (whether it be on something they said would happen and didn’t, or something they said that was insulting/border over the line), sure it’s happened. But their staff actually INTERACTS in a REAL AND MEANINGFUL way with the community. They engage, they talk things over, they post about what they’re working on, or their thoughts on balance ect. None of the “Hi there, we at ArenaNet…” No, they speak for themselves as a person unless of course it’s some announcement that requires them to say “Hey guys, this is what’s up”.

Now, I’m not saying that when staff here post, it isn’t meaningful. But it isn’t real, it sounds dictated and pre-written, not at all one human speaking to another. Also, can their forums get crazy? Absolutely… but for the most part, as long as we aren’t calling people out, seriously flaming or posting porn, we’re left along to have discussions. If you guys want this to be able to turn into an Esport, you’re going to have to get used to kitten talking, because it happens in ANY competitive environement. It’s what gets people riled up and rearing to go, it’s develops rivalries and promotes the competition.

This is Guild Wars 2, not Neopets, do I think people should be flaming/trolling or being complete kittenes? Not at all. Do I think the moderation and general tone of the forums could use a loosening of the steel grip it currently has? Absolutely.

Really? Is this how people in professional sports talk to each other in a game? At the Olympics? Or is it just a tradition we inherited from when video games were mostly immature boys?

Vena.8436:

styx.7294:

That’s not a bad thing.

I’m not saying it is, I am saying that this move is “trend-y” and not unprecedented.

I coulda done without the “It is disappointing” though. Don’t pay money to impress you, ArenaNet. And considerin that I’ve been a bit disappointed about design decisions in this game too, that really puts us in an awkward place where apparently we’re just standin around bein disappointed with each other.

Vena.8436:

Easterbunny.6170:

And the fact that this is normal is part of what makes this heavy handed move by the corporation responsible for this content reverberate. My understanding was that this development team was old school. The same one that developed my personal favorite game of all time, DAOC. They should realize that all of this is normal. This “We are going to take away your toys” Move by them reeks of a new team with no experience. That worries me quite a lot.

This has been a corporate trend lately.

You can’t even smack talk on XBLive anymore without being banned because if you happen to hurt some 12 y-olds feelings and they tell their mom, you’ll get reported and temp-banned.

That’s not a bad thing.

I can get behind their reasoning. There’s plenty of places on the Internet where we can go hate on each other, probably time a gaming company said “Dudes, this ain’t cool and we’re not gonna give you a platform for it”. People actually think that smack talking each other is just part of competitive gaming (it’s not, it’s just part of being an kitten. People describe what’s just hate, contempt, and disrespect as noise without acknowledging that it doesn’t at all have to be there.

Less theoratical, very few people I know enjoy readin the match up threads – unless you enjoy laughing at people (rather than with them), most of the match threads are noise and nonsense (looking at my thread, 2nd last post is "lol @ the DR BRL thief "). I’ve followed a lot.. not just all of mine since launch and the number of positive community buildin stuff is a minority. Some weeks there was nothin of value.

TeamBattleAxe.3901:

It’s cool, ANet. We didn’t really want to make friends with other servers anyways.

Hopefully soon, you’ll do away with those other pesky forums since unpleasantries exist there as well. The only forum we really need is https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/bltc so that we can report when our credit cards malfunction in your wonderful gem shop.

So cynical it makes me sad!

Avatar of Belle.9623:

titanlectro.5029:

Welp, this will be one of our last match-up threads.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/wuv/wuv/Upcoming-Forum-Changes-to-WvW-Match-ups-Sub-forum/first#post3393146

<tears>

I will miss you guys. I feel like I made a lot of friends via this forum.

Y’all are welcome to join our forums! I think I’m signed up on ET already, hehehe.

BlazeQ.1095:

Theftwind.8976:

It was in the wee hours of the morning, or late late at night depending on your perspective when about a dozen SF decided to attack our Bay with an omega golem. We rallied our defenders, all 7 of them, to fight a battle we expected to lose as our Bay was paper. Imagine our surprise when we stopped the attack at the outer gate with mere fractions of life left in the gate, the golem destroyed and the attacking force annihilated! Better luck next time SF but it was a good fight!

I will admit, I can’t tell if this is Troll or Fail…. I’m at a loss here.

Sometimes people just wanna talk about how good a time they’re having without puttin anyone down. The “good fight!” is a good sign.

Painbow.6059:

retreat, aegis > protection for stopping burst attacks/preventing heavy damage, protection for longer fights and against heavy damage prior to battle you can also use virtue of courage for protection instead of using hold the line

I kinda feel like Retreat doesn’t do anything. Block 1 auto attack every million seconds? Slot a utility skill to have swiftness some of the time? Are you sure you only need 2 utilities in combat?

Unlike protection, I don’t think a single application of aegis has ever saved anyone’s life.

Heibi.4251:

styx.7294:

Righteous.4307:

Frodolaggins.2109:

HoD [MU] The /Beckons and /Laughs are HILARIOUS especially when you push my zerg over 10 times throughout the night and get SMEARED on the floor From SMC to CD bl Bay to open field [MU] is first to start the emote war, and first to suddenly hit the floor………

The only guild worth mentioning on HoD is [Dx] good respectable players there. the rest are meh and MU is huge PvF but when it comes to open field ROFLSMEARACROSSTYRIA shame you cant emote when on the floor

With love, a SPICEY cup of soup!!

Here is the funny thing. You outnumbered the group we had with us 3 to 1. So much so that we literally had the outmanned buff. Pics will be provided by Gornok today. Then, to make matters worse, even with the massive numerical advantage you siege creep us, and take 45 minutes to take bay, when you have lost the rest of the map (except northern towers and Garrison) to NSP. While I do remember you wiping some of the pugs we had with us, the only thing I remember dieing of was the boredom that you can create by never pushing and siege creeping when you have triple our numbers. Finally, after all of that you decide it’s a good idea to come on the forums and specifically call out MU.

Let me consult Zoltar and predict the next few days on the forums for you. He says,

“The future is very clouded for you [KöMÉ]. Given your previous statements, [MU] will call you out for a 15v15 GvG. There are two possible outcomes. Either you accept and become the laughing stock of CD when they wipe the floor with you, or you dodge the GvG and lose all credibility.”

Yikes! [KöMÉ]… Zoltar doesn’t seem too enthusiastic about how this PvF war will turn out for you. Unfortunately for you, he has never been wrong. I guess we can all sit back now and see if you accept or dodge.

You had the outmanned buff? Oh noes. Maybe you can transfer to Henge of Denravi and ask MU for lessons on how to defeat a force that has more numbers than you.

Ummmmm, Styx – The poster is on the HoD server, soooooooo….

Anyway, try reading the post before you quote it. Especially when your sig says you’re on a server NOT involved in the current match-up.

Whaaaaaatt! No way! How did I miss that? bats eyelashes

Murdoc.4251:

The throwing siege always confuses me – is it an insult or an honor? Someone please tell me, I don’t know how to react and I feel I am probably disappointing someone by laughing when it happens.

My advice is to meet it with the same indifference as if they had not done anything. An enemy’s wasted siege, wasted time all serve the interests for your server rather their own.