Guild Wars 2

FSP=Fighting server

Deso=Points on night time server

Every like 3-5 minutes I get a fps drop that reaches about 10 fps, truly does not matter if in a big blob vs blob fight or in some faraway place in Tyria where there are maybe 1 or 2 players

My system is an
gtx 750ti (twin frozr)
FX 6300 (OC edition)

nothing wrong with them on other games, it just have some weird spikes with this one, it is almost like a wave of fps drop coming and going. Anyone experienced this?

kitten , no shame to the grind huh?
Personally hope that A-Net never does something like this, the main reason to do these winter events is for the fun, I am personally not gonna grind, this or the next year. But them having a more open and welcoming event, is never a bad thing in my eyes.

I get that you might waste 4 minutes (or 1), but what is the reason to do the events if not for fun at this point? Rewards is far from good enough to use hours on end on the event

Ok……
You can not compare this with skin=legendary etc

Yes they should change it, this is stats, not skins, people need the stats to play, it is not an achievement or goal…aka legendary, stop being closed minded

I personally do not use time gated grinding…..But it does not make sense, why would you wait if you got the mats and can almost instantly make 1 copy of xx gear

There is literally no reason other than confusing it with legendaries or other skins that needs a long time to gather for the sole purpuse of showing off…and just so I can copy/paste later……
No stats are not an achievement or a skin, some builds can only work with them and it does not make sense to punish a person just because he/she did not pick a profession that only run zerker or any other cheap gear to be able to join anything

IndigoSundown.5419:

zengara.8301:

Human race most popular race? Like any proofs that it is true or just guessing?

Old, but true then.

https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/guild-wars-2-the-first-year/

Humans 36%. Other races ranging for 13% to 19%.

well normally I would be concerned that the link is around 3 years old (a lot have happend in 3 years) but if I have to be honest, I do believe that humans still are amazingly high in the choosing of races

2 things:

1.
Human race most popular race? Like any proofs that it is true or just guessing?

2.
Gear have gone from something that would look good in a fantasy mmo, to something that reminds me of Power Ranger suits……I would personally rather have them focus on content rather than endless skin grinding

3.
Practical reasons? no offence, but if this game only had 1 playable race.. then there might have been a massive chance for me and a whole lot more not playing or even noticing this game, which would put it in what I would call the “Wildstar zone”

wow…..It was clearly a joke, or to provoke, which makes like 99% of the posters here kinda….lets call them “funny” xD

so people mainly think she bumped bellies with another dragon?

Is it like the dragon lores where glint get inside egg when she is about to die? Or was she together with another dragon? Or could she just make an egg without a male dragon?

This one is mine

I get black screens while playing, even when fighting or doing anything suddenly the game goes black screen, I can tab out of the game to browser and everything. The game is simply just black screen

Ehmm…….wow…..Some of these comments in here feels like Donald Trump level of denial, while others just seem like hate from a hidden agenda, kid level of “nooo that is totally not what I want to happen, but if that is the outcome, it is ok with me” kind of thing.

Ok, first of all, based on this post, it seems like you want to force people to get into a zerg if they are on Eternal Battleground based on the fact that you believe that it is the right way to play, I get the premise of helping the server winning, but there are of course multiple ways to do that.

Everyone could go to small details about this, but if people duel, there must be around same numbers on each server…….

Second……It is amazingly wrong in every way to tell a player how to play a game……no matter the subject…..Not saying casual game, casual players……but yeah game promotes casual gaming, so forcing players to do your version of gameplay based on whatever abnormal mindset you got for that game……really does not matter……

I honestly can not believe some of these comments…….like wow

Think I will just go for the meta build on the roaming parts, as for example thief→d/p the pistol is for improving survive-ability etc.

I don´t know, after Alpine BL is changed the roaming seems to be rather limited, EB is usually on a que for quiet a while, the border lands as I wrote is limited, filled with up and downs which makes the map bigger since it got different levels to be on, and not as easely accepted since it is filled with walls blocking off certain areas and need a small blob to gain access through places, which again seem to make it unlikely to see roamers on prime.

I heard some one on team speak say that night capping was not a thing anymore and servers who mainly (only) focus on night capping are already losing a lot of tiers, true or false???

Second, why are people mad that there is a que, doesnt it mean that the population is healthy, and that they just have to wait like 10 minutes to join a filled out WvW map?

(better than joining like 60 people while opponent getting ravaged with only 30 or other way around, like I can really not see the benefit of having a low que, or no que, it only unbalance the map in every way, or am I missing something huge, beside this somewhat……short stretched point of view?)

I am so glad, this game have become more about WvW, Dungeons which I loved from the beginning.

The reason to do endless grinding is over! So happy you did this, keep going A-Net!

I agree, even tho it is a bit extreme to remove all waypoints, I do think its a good idea to limit the abuse of waypoints. Games that do, limit traveling, do feel bigger, as in example Witcher or black desert

Maybe limit it in someway that would make players want to go throug awesome places like kessex hills

IN all honesty, please DO NOT A-NET

I liked you be4, do not turn to be zerging Trinity boring content where you lose more players because they do it for no reason like zombies…..

The idea behind trinity is to limit players to which role they want to play, as it is set atm, the roles are still a bit different, used to be all out zerker, but so many was included that it was tolerable.

I am ele/thief so no matter what they do at least 1 of my chars will be viable, but still…..
It would simply change the game based on “We want an explore game” to a “we want ppl to grind all day long”

I started of as a sylvari ele, remmember doing the event of turning into a pig and searching for mushrooms, how WvW was on my small server at that given time (we had problems with numbers) and of course first time I entered The Dark Room, it was amazing because I was not looking for it in any way.

I fell like a old man who have lost his youth and therefor hating, but I think that it was amazing back then, everyone helped without thinking of getting bags inside bags etc. it was simply because it was fun, not run fast and do this and that

he got a video for every zone/world

SAB is back!!!!!!!!!! How could they be ready for our anniversary RIOT :O?

I do not see why creating fictive numbers help in any way, I do agree that if it is doable, it should be made, but saying something like the statement above or that it should somehow end up costing 500 000$ to apply a compiler to let mac computers read the code.
then there still should be 60 million mac users in 2012 + x between the year of 2012 and 2016 and of-course the 20 million in 2016

which gives a huge opportunity to market penetrate, you are basically opening up yourself to a whole new market which almost got no competitors.
Based on the entrance to a new market alone, it gives a huge opportunities, as I said, not only in 1 region as being EU or USA but also China.

What I do not get is, A-Net have been through all this trouble to market penetrate the Asian market, by almost creating a whole new game (Colins words), and you think that having the opportunity to actually take the mac market around the globe……..is risky?

I mean, based on what I have learned from my teachers over the years, they should already be doing it, or already planned when to start

(Again, to anyone thinking that they have to “focus” on more important stuff https://youtu.be/5PjlrvmZNmc?t=878
the example of people thinking A-Net is focussing on raid while it was just 5-6 extremely fast developers)

MadRabbit.3179:

penelopehannibal.8947:

FOX.3582:

If you have the money to buy a Mac-pc and you want to play games then you should buy a Windows-pc also. Or else don’t cry about it. It’s really ridiculous that you want to play games and decide to do it on an Apple computer… -.-

Times are changing, it’s not 1996 anymore.

Not fast enough, man. If you invest a Mac as a gaming rig, you are still going to be heavily limited in your game choices.

I feel I can safely most of the people e who takes PC gaming as a serious hobby are still not buying Mac products as their gaming rig, not only, because of this limitation in game selection, but because they are closed off systems that you can’t upgrade yourself to keep relevant.

True, I have a pretty decent computer atm, but I used to have a laptop, pretty bad one that got warm easely and could only run Gw2 on lowest with like 20-30 fps 2 years ago, would not surprise me if there are a lot like me.
You still hear a lot of people saying that they are playing on old laptops. I personally do find it highly unlikely that the majority of the player base should have good computers, but I do not know to be honest, this is personal calculation from asking mapchat teamspeak etc. so in reality it does not mean a lot, but still can see a lot of players going from just playing a few times a day to becomming gamers

Etienne.3049:

zengara.8301:

FOX.3582:

If you have the money to buy a Mac-pc and you want to play games then you should buy a Windows-pc also. Or else don’t cry about it. It’s really ridiculous that you want to play games and decide to do it on an Apple computer… -.-

lol, still do not get how anyone can have that kind of attitude. (I personally run windows)
First of all, A-Net is clearly lossing money by not supporting mac or Linux as mentioned above or shown in any other post.

Asking people to not cry about it, when all they want is A-Net to include more players to the game……seems rather ignorant all around, beside the company actually lossing money if they had a childish attitude like that, the sentence alone is a hate complaint, as if to say, that the player base have bought mac, so therefor they should not be supported by any company, even though a suggestion like this would improve everything for everyone.

There are different reasons to have bought a computer of a certain kind, even if just becoming a gamer or interested in games a few months ago even tho you only got mac……

In conclusion, I DO NOT UNDERSTAND YOU, if everyone wins by supporting mac, I truly do not get this message at all, A-Net wins, the playerbase gets bigger so we win, the mac users wins, since they can play, there is no downside, so therefor i truly can not see your complaining of forcing people to stay in their place based on the brand of their computer……..

Beside the obvious hateful fact of “its an apple so you should not be able to do anything that is game based”

How can you be certain they’re “losing” money? I don’t have any numbers on how much they’d make from extra sales with a better mac client or how much said client would cost, and I’d be surprised if you did have them (I’d be surprised if Anet had anything better than a decent guess).

And I’d say the only way they could lose money on a mac client is by spending money making it and then not selling enough extra to recoup that investment.

And don’t call people who disagree with you hateful or ignorant, it just seems like a pathetic way to trick people into agreeing with you.

True calling people that is a trick, but you gotta admit, him writting something like “cry” etc is to express hate…….’
And it is a “guess” but they are in the end expanding their market which was limited by system requirement, that is always a huge boost, and a pretty important priority.
http://image.slidesharecdn.com/africamarketentrystrategyppt-130117114628-phpapp01/95/market-entry-expansion-strategies-for-africa-factors-for-consideration-eugene-nizeyimana-7-638.jpg?cb=1396667283

I used to be in a business class, A-Net having already expanded market to china, is quiet impressive, but expanding market further based on system is rarely a risk, my teacher always talked about how important it is to expand.
I do not know the requirement of technology behind actually making a client that would be able to do this, but a good guess of how many use apple in EU, USA and China kinda creates a huge opportunity to Market Penetrate.

Deleven.7508:

zengara.8301:

FOX.3582:

If you have the money to buy a Mac-pc and you want to play games then you should buy a Windows-pc also. Or else don’t cry about it. It’s really ridiculous that you want to play games and decide to do it on an Apple computer… -.-

lol, still do not get how anyone can have that kind of attitude. (I personally run windows)
First of all, A-Net is clearly lossing money by not supporting mac or Linux as mentioned above or shown in any other post.

Asking people to not cry about it, when all they want is A-Net to include more players to the game……seems rather ignorant all around, beside the company actually lossing money if they had a childish attitude like that, the sentence alone is a hate complaint, as if to say, that the player base have bought mac, so therefor they should not be supported by any company, even though a suggestion like this would improve everything for everyone.

There are different reasons to have bought a computer of a certain kind, even if just becoming a gamer or interested in games a few months ago even tho you only got mac……

In conclusion, I DO NOT UNDERSTAND YOU, if everyone wins by supporting mac, I truly do not get this message at all, A-Net wins, the playerbase gets bigger so we win, the mac users wins, since they can play, there is no downside, so therefor i truly can not see your complaining of forcing people to stay in their place based on the brand of their computer……..

Beside the obvious hateful fact of “its an apple so you should not be able to do anything that is game based”

Your right that being able to support a mac client would be beneficial for the ANet and the player base, but i don’t think that a mac client is the most beneficial thing. Everything that ANet does will be beneficial; if they make a great expansion alot of people will buy, the player base increases, and everybody is happy. Releasing alot of content on the current expansion like raids, living world, wvw, in game events, and legendary weapons (ya i know) will keep people playing, which gives us more content and maintains a higher player base, which helps everyone, and gives us more confidence in the next expansion, getting them future revenue. In comparison to these things, i dont think making a mac client is better than these 2 options.

Making a mac client when there are other options available is a substantial gamble. It depends on if a mac client can be made quickly, if it can be maintained, and if there is a player base that want to play this game on a mac. Maintaining the current player base and increasing it slowly is likely a better option than bleeding the player base to make a mac client.

You make it sound like as if the whole company will stop making other things, as if the designers, story tellers etc will just stop doing what they are doing.
It is not my idea to have the whole company stop what they are doing and create a client.
You are partly right on anything they make will increase their income, as long as it is a service they get paid for, tho it is like you are tryieng to say that they can only make 1 thing at a time, as the once claiming that raiding is all A-Net did, even tho it was 5-6 people in the raid team, and the reason it came out so early, is because they just did amazingly well
https://youtu.be/5PjlrvmZNmc?t=878

I get your idea of putting everything behind another as if to say, isnt there something more important, as to create things in the game? But it is not how it works, tho how everyone act like it works in the forum, as if you can que them 1 at a time.

Beside all this, it is a system they are opening up to, I am guessing that people will not buy a whole new system for 1 game when their system is working fine.

yes I get A-Net can do other stuff, but this is improving their overall range of people to collect, they limit their own game based on how many people that can play it, and increasing that will also create a steady group for mac players, and in my mind, doing that will always bigger than any expansion.

FOX.3582:

If you have the money to buy a Mac-pc and you want to play games then you should buy a Windows-pc also. Or else don’t cry about it. It’s really ridiculous that you want to play games and decide to do it on an Apple computer… -.-

lol, still do not get how anyone can have that kind of attitude. (I personally run windows)
First of all, A-Net is clearly lossing money by not supporting mac or Linux as mentioned above or shown in any other post.

Asking people to not cry about it, when all they want is A-Net to include more players to the game……seems rather ignorant all around, beside the company actually lossing money if they had a childish attitude like that, the sentence alone is a hate complaint, as if to say, that the player base have bought mac, so therefor they should not be supported by any company, even though a suggestion like this would improve everything for everyone.

There are different reasons to have bought a computer of a certain kind, even if just becoming a gamer or interested in games a few months ago even tho you only got mac……

In conclusion, I DO NOT UNDERSTAND YOU, if everyone wins by supporting mac, I truly do not get this message at all, A-Net wins, the playerbase gets bigger so we win, the mac users wins, since they can play, there is no downside, so therefor i truly can not see your complaining of forcing people to stay in their place based on the brand of their computer……..

Beside the obvious hateful fact of “its an apple so you should not be able to do anything that is game based”

Burtnik.5218:

Warrior is the most outdated class followed by guardian. Theres no point to even argue over it. Its a fact. Funny enough revenant despite being new has a lot of outdated stuff as well btw (about 75% of the class) as it was designed before june spec power creep.

How so, I would actually have reversed it and say that Warrior and Guardian have always been needed in every party/raid/WvW/fractal etc.

I would have chosen Thief or Ranger since they both are truly useless in any of the things above.

Thief:

- Stealth was mainly by thief but now used by a lot of professions, and some professions even have better form of stealth, as for example the massive stealth by mesmer that can stealth a whole zerg or the scrapper that can stealth for like 30 sec
- Mobility, thief used to be the main class that focus around mobility, even the old trailers show Thiefs as jumping all around, but now again a lot of classes fulfill this role
which means that any role can be changed with thief since they are no good in PvE since might stack or condi cleanse is better or PvP, since low health and high dmg doesnt compare to the buff dealing etc.
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Edit:
Seems like some of these comments are just about balance, rather than actual professions getting outdated, in other words, the class being replaceable in any situation.

Kinda agree, dont care about multi tasking, I do have a somewhat great computer with around 30 fps at these events.

Buuuuuuuut these events are in my oppinion so boring in every way that I truly do not hope in a million years that they still focus on it…………

It is boring, grindy and have to put graphics on medium/low, the events arent as interesting as the small events/puzzles from the older version of the game. The only good thing about it, is that streams looks cool with them, but no one wants to watch PvE in streams, WvW is better to showcase.

Never found silverwaste fun in any way, it is just tag and go on, and when you got enough keys, then just press W and F when you are near a chest……like I almost slept on 1 of them because I did 3 to get into beta, never got it ofc…..way to boring and lack of any fun or interesting things to do

Kinda envy these people that actually can do nothing but grind, I do not know if influenced by other games so it becomes normal, but still.
https://youtu.be/Ax-_06Acj8Y?t=72

runeblade.7514:

zengara.8301:

Redenaz and TexZero:

That sounds great

runeblade:
I would read my comment, but to answer shortly of things I have already answered to in my post….
LFG only require best of the best and certain groups, it is hard to start a group on solo basis, the LFG does not give a timer of which will join. It is all around messy since LFG is a 5 man finder, not a 10 man etc. LFG requires you to either put profession/things you can use and wait for x amount of time (we all know that no matter your profession, you will wait for a loooooooooooong time, you will find out that no matter profession (trust me, got guard, ele and thief/temp/dragon hunter/DD) that you search up on.

The best of the best can already find groups because they are the best.

The best of the best? “The best of the best”, as you explain it, already can find groups because they got other means to find groups, it being already having a group or is on youtube, you should really read my comment………..In all honesty, if in game next time, just try to put a lfg while doing w/e and see how long it takes, you can even write that you are experienced, will not make things a lot faster…….
The whole idea is that I get that if I really want to, I can use hours to set up a decent group that Gw2 could have shorten and made less frustrating by making a raid finder (which they are doing) but in the end, it does not make sense to use so much time on a system that is worse in every way, I honestly can not find a single reason to not have dungeon/raid finder over LFG, beside overly elitism, but even then it is rather limited.

Redenaz and TexZero:

That sounds great

runeblade:
I would read my comment, but to answer shortly of things I have already answered to in my post….
LFG only require best of the best and certain groups, it is hard to start a group on solo basis, the LFG does not give a timer of which will join. It is all around messy since LFG is a 5 man finder, not a 10 man etc. LFG requires you to either put profession/things you can use and wait for x amount of time (we all know that no matter your profession, you will wait for a loooooooooooong time, you will find out that no matter profession (trust me, got guard, ele and thief/temp/dragon hunter/DD) that you search up on.

I get why Dungeon finder is not a thing but LFG, does it create elitism when it is easiere to request anything you want and people can and will require you to have best gear on lowest levels? Yes

Would it change the game if you could join your own levels and feel in general a lot more like a game than a grind for new players? I honestly think so, it is not a u-normal sight to see a new player saying that the players here require way to much early on for a game, which does make sense, it is way to easy to level up for older players.

But in all honesty, I personally do not care about dungeons, I run arah without one shot, everyone welcome, and no jumping over map on a daily basis (sometimes solo aswell).
My reasoning for a raid finder is simple, I would like to put time up for raids, I would like to do them, but do not want to use days to set up a group of people on a day that I might or might not be able to. The LFG is rather bad at that, if you want to simply start with raids, I do get that there is some “elites” out there looking for a people who have tried it etc, but that would be the reason behind LFG I guess, those who are willing and capable of putting days into this game, to find the right people who can do everything perfectly, and people who just want to do it with a decent enough group to actually enjoy this game mode.

Just for the future, because the comments on these kind of threads are rather easy to guess….
No I can not use a 5 man max LFG to find a fast group, because no one want to just find random people and play, myself included. The raid finder still find the right amount of people to do the job.

Yes I do get I can just not play it, if you think it is a part of the game mode……..But why, when they can do this and satisfy A LOT of people, not only myself, but probably change the whole game.

(Just in case if anyone actually think of going so far as to talk about politics and how lowering expectation in a game, would somehow make the general public in-experienced and somehow make a comparison about real life……….like lol, we all know this is a game….so many factors in real life is not here that it can not in anyway remind anyone of real life….)

Adventure Time!!!!

1. Stop night time by decreasing points

2. Make maps less PvE and more about fighting

3. Merge small servers like a 2v1 scenario to fight bigger servers (map chat vs team chat) You can give limited invites for a day in both TS3 and discord…so do not even start

4. Make the whole WvW less about running and cowerding in night time or go to a map with less people and more about real attacking/defending

5. Make rewards gained based on how hard people worked (X-people vs X-people)……not just some random “based on normal PvE time” can not see that being in any way easy to balance based on night capping etc.

Still not sure how this turned out to be a national war with mmo from asia……

But….This generation lazy? It have shown that those in labor working is increasing amazingly high, the grades are getting higher than ever before, the murders, criminal activity, even alcohol consumption is falling.

I guess you get the idea that the youth should be lazy because the news keeps focus on all the bad stuff so you somehow believe that is the truth, even tho it is normally often that they focus only that part.

As an example, i happend to be in Tunisia while while the the arab spring took place, I saw the news and thougt that it would be massive, but it was still rather quiet. the luxary hotel was still open for those who were still there ofc. still whent to the beach just a few more stores closed, and they actually only did the uprising from a certain time to a certain time, like a carnival from 18:00-20:00 if I remember correctly, and kids did play around while parents having fun etc.

But that did change my whole perspective on what is right and wrong, made it rather hard for me to imagine that anything else but the actual show is like that, and I truly believe that we are living in one of the most amazing generation with least hate all around, and people do seem to accept everyone, not only as a show anymore, but as a true, real and deep respect.

Ansau.7326:

zengara.8301:

Hate to repeat myself, so I will just copy/paste my previous comment-

“As I said…….The personal reward gained is the same, there will be no altering in personal reward in anyway, the only thing that will be changed is the reward gained at night which only makes sense since the majority of the players are not even there…………………..
unless if you are selfish and want to win based on the idea that players are not even in the game?
Like it does not even make sense at all, how can it in anyway be selfish to make it fair based on when people are playing a game specially when time they are playing is more or less the same,
This arguement is so flawed all around, and clearly a way to hide a secret agenda……here let me show you how it is flawed in everyway.
-You can turn it around and ask if night time players are better than day time
-You can explain that the servers have a max of 3-4 hours time zone
-You can explain that servers do and have only been able to even be in top tier because of this abuse of system in WvW which is a major part of the game and therefor shady…
-You can explain that the point system does not affect personal reward in anyway, but the server in total and therefor having a night time based on time in the different regions should not only be acceptable but also should be expected……specially when it is such a huge part of the game, like a majority of the players watch it on twitch when WvW is on, even more than E-Sports
-Oooooor we can remove the BS and just say that a majority of the servers do not even know how to fight and rely completely on other players not even being there, and therefor have this ridiculous answer as a agenda to hide the fact that they would not reach any high tier in a normal fight?
I hate to repeat myself, but is there something I have missed, beside the idea of some one should be less worth because points that isnt even directed towards them?”

First, you keep focusing this as a personal reward issue. And here you fail again. Most people playing WvW play for the general-server reward. Public commanders put the tag to gather all people in maps and try to do something worth. Roamers take camps and towers to help the server.
You’re wrong if you think nightcappers are running all maps to obtain gold, items or WvW levels.

But more important, you still don’t acknowledge what means a 24 hours competition. I’ll give you an example.
A football match lasts for 90 minutes, and a goal done in the first minutes is worth the same than a goal scored in the minute 64.
If you plan to modify the value of the scored gained in WvW depending on when it is obtained, then you’re destroying the 24 hour competition fact.
It is clear your problem is not with nightcappers, but the fact that WvW is a 24 hour competition.

- Player individual skill doesn’t matter in WvW. It does in PvP, duels, GvG, or hardcore pve raids, but when we’re talking about WvW as a server battle, then it doesn’t.
Things like coverage capacity, organization, motivation, having good commanders, dedication in tiring tasks… are what decides who’s the winner.

- If a server has only 3-4 hours of coverage, then it’s his problem. If a lot servers have that kind of problem, then it becomes a population imbalance issue, something well known and a thing not related to nightcappers, neither any of your complaints.
If your intention was to point to that direction, then you haven’t explained yourself well.

- Well, servers that have been on top have been there because they had more coverage than the other servers. It seems you’re the one failing to understand how WvW works, and try to point it as an unfair way, when it is the supposed way to be.

- In fact, that’s one of the beauties of WvW. The unpredictability of a 24 hour matchup, where you don’t control the opponents forces. You can find yourself in a hurry because the enemy server did a alarm clock and started to play at 6am when you were sleeping. Then your server has to counter that.
Do you find it unfair or boring? Well, sorry but we all can assume WvW is not for you.

zengara.8301:

how can it in anyway be selfish to make it fair based on when people are playing a game specially when time they are playing is more or less the same

This sentence doesn’t make sense at all. First it is wrongly structured. But also, it is based without the basic fact of WvW, being a 24 hour competition.
Servers are faced for 168 hours. It’s a matchup that lasts that long. Not having players for hours is your problem (or a problem of your server).
Your reasoning is dull. Takinga gain the footbal example, it’s like if the football manager of a football team called BLACK was whining the WHITE team that it shouldn’t win because some of the players of team BLACK felt tired and retired at half match. It’s his problem if his team is playing with only 8 players.

As a spanish player and a player of pretty much the most historically nightcapper server in EU, Baruch Bay, I can say any change to diminish the score gained in a specific timezone only hurts all population, making WvW unsatisfying and worthless for a lot of people, and cheesy and dull for the rest, putting those in the false presumption they win because they are better, when the reality is they win because the system is corrupted to make them win.

Good Job, you know how to put a player down by taking a very old post that I also asked “Did I miss something?” and then you took an arguement made by Link in page 1 that I have repeatedly accepted and said yes to…….the idea that it is about population around the clock, I have said it is over and over….

Then you starting comparing, bad move to compare……..If you do have to compare, at least compare 2 things that is actually the same in everyway and got exactly the same structure since you need to use “Than” or “as” to compare these parts.
Like I wont degrade your whole post since you do return to the 24/7 population “which again have been explained, like a million times, by a lot of people, and I have accpeted that fact”
But saying something like, that the player choose to leave a game….really? how often does that happen?

-If you have to compare it, then at least compare it as that a majority of the people leave, and it is a 24/7 game, that the other team is relyieng and can only win based on that fact since they normaly are bad, that this team that are bad also buys a lot players to play at night, that the players somehow ignore the fighting in everyway………………….

As I told Yuffi, please never compare……ever. If you have to, AT LEAST compare it to something that is true in the most important parts……..Saying that the 1 player is leaving, is like saying that person got a choice, and you also make it sound like that player is getting money by playing football, which makes it even harder to believe…….Sorry just stop….

And the individual player does not matter? You have not played GvG have you? The individual player does matter a great deal, that is why commander explains to learn your rotation or that even when same amount of numbers other players still get stomped…….You can even go as far as to arguement that the single player is very important in a full on fight, since if just 5 is simply straight out bad and insta die it will be 45v50
which you probably can guess, a part can demolish other party with stability, aoe, buff etc

And as I have written like 3 times on the reply already.
I accept the fact that the game is about having a population around the clock,

My previous assumption is that the strongest server should win, based on the fact of real life that you do have to sleep, and these regions only have a 3 hours time difference, so it have to based on recruiting from other regions.
I do not agree that it should be about it, but I do accept it

StormageddonBK.9842:

zengara.8301:

Peazomanco.7259:

It would be neccesary a full rework of scoring system to avoid that.

Thank you, that is a real answer without any hidden agenda. I can understand this, it will take quiet a while

So the other guys that posted have a hidden agenda? Please explain.

Well the hidden agenda is putting bs infront of the real perpuse……as for example, the diea that my time should be worth more
while I can easely reflected by:
-You can turn it around and ask if night time players are better than day time
-You can explain that the servers have a max of 3-4 hours time zone
-You can explain that servers do and have only been able to even be in top tier because of this abuse of system in WvW which is a major part of the game and therefor shady…
-You can explain that the point system does not affect personal reward in anyway, but the server in total and therefor having a night time based on time in the different regions should not only be acceptable but also should be expected……specially when it is such a huge part of the game, like a majority of the players watch it on twitch when WvW is on, even more than E-Sports

The only fact in this so far that have made any sense, and can not be easely reflected and do have a strong perpuse, is that it is based on having a strong population around the clock……..Everything else seems like BS that you can argue with others for a long period of time, just to end up with “I think” and “you think wrong” instead of actual improvement of the game

Everything else I have either answered previously to, or is just there to make it clear the it is a mean to having population around the clock which I already accepted by Link

I have a different idea what it really should be about, but I do not deny the fact that the gameplay is simply to have people on 24/7

Yuffi.2430:

I did read your post.
You said WvW isn’t PvP then you said it is (“Well, the “idea” is ok,” is what you wrote) and then you said the two game mode can’t be compared.
It’s at this point that you and I will have to agree to disagree because as far as I know sPvP is also Player vs Player (although Anet snuck some PvE mobs into Stronghold just like they put PvE stuff in WvW). There are differences in scale and a few minor rules but essentially WvW is a long time scale higher population PvP match.

All this is really an aside to the fact that your original post complained about it being unfair that other players should actually be doing something constructive for their server while you are not playing. As a concept this idea is wrong – as wrong as it would be if they complained about you capping stuff while they sleep. WvW has always had this population-time imbalance and it’s something we live and play with. As players we get used to it, like we get used to the fact that sometimes we get beaten in fights. You don’t have to like it, but it is part of the game as things are and our choice is simple – play or don’t play. I suspect this is another area where you and I will have to agree to disagree.

Well first part of your post is simply bs, this time you did actually simply jump over the fact that I did write Player with computer vs other players….
lol
Pretty messed up to deliberately jump over that part, like literally jump over it, here it is

“Well, the “idea” is ok, if it was not SPvP, and the fact alone that the other team depends and rely on that 1 player AFK, which no other pvp game does, and the time….It actually does not resemble PvP at all, the only thing that is the same is you have a computer and have to defeat other players with computers, everything else is different, from towers, backline, frontline(WvW)”

Even point system works differently, from stomp instead of kills…..idk how much you know, leveling, gear, how you fight etc…..
I will put up things you shouldnt have written…..

-So far……Your idea what definition is, is plain and completely wrong.
-Your idea that SPvP should resemble SPvP is not accepted by people from this chat nor A-Net from the page you sent, just stop it there, your opinion is simply incorect if the creators of the game thinks otherwise. And you should never compare anything to anything……..ever, since WvW is the definition of being a place where it is not being SPvP

But the idea that population around the clock, I accept that, it have been said before you and you probably read over and over that I get it.

Yuffi.2430:

Zengara – GW2 wiki entry for WvW – sorry but Anet disagree with you, and it’s their game. I looked it up – so by your definition of a definition(?!) we should agree?

Did you see the actual page or read my comment, you seem to keep ignoring like 50% of what I write and then write something I already answered to???

I said Player vs another player, this wiki page you sent is saying the same.

You where comparing SPvP with WvW….You can pick the rest up from there I guess

and as a edit……….it also said

“WvW is designed to accommodate players that would not normally participate in PvP.”

which even further puts down your idea that it should be the same, but your call

Ansau.7326:

And here we are, another guy thinking his time is is more important than anyone else.
The world doesn’t stop whenever you sleep, neither does WvW.
Face it, WvW is a 24h competition.

Hate to repeat myself, so I will just copy/paste my previous comment-

“As I said…….The personal reward gained is the same, there will be no altering in personal reward in anyway, the only thing that will be changed is the reward gained at night which only makes sense since the majority of the players are not even there…………………..
unless if you are selfish and want to win based on the idea that players are not even in the game?
Like it does not even make sense at all, how can it in anyway be selfish to make it fair based on when people are playing a game specially when time they are playing is more or less the same,
This arguement is so flawed all around, and clearly a way to hide a secret agenda……here let me show you how it is flawed in everyway.
-You can turn it around and ask if night time players are better than day time
-You can explain that the servers have a max of 3-4 hours time zone
-You can explain that servers do and have only been able to even be in top tier because of this abuse of system in WvW which is a major part of the game and therefor shady…
-You can explain that the point system does not affect personal reward in anyway, but the server in total and therefor having a night time based on time in the different regions should not only be acceptable but also should be expected……specially when it is such a huge part of the game, like a majority of the players watch it on twitch when WvW is on, even more than E-Sports
-Oooooor we can remove the BS and just say that a majority of the servers do not even know how to fight and rely completely on other players not even being there, and therefor have this ridiculous answer as a agenda to hide the fact that they would not reach any high tier in a normal fight?
I hate to repeat myself, but is there something I have missed, beside the idea of some one should be less worth because points that isnt even directed towards them?”

Shilajit.9023:

there is no such thing as honerable fighting in wvw , it’s a war.

gather up your people for the night , grab a commander & follow him , you can be man enough to defend against those lame server players with your good skills.

you have a life yes ofc, non prime zone time players also have a life , they sleep at your prime time yet they don’t complain ," nerf daycapping plz"

Well actually there is, both in life and in game….Of course this is not life and is not made to make us believe so, based on the fact that the other servers do not lose anything real if losing a week……..

But let us follow this…..idea…..that it is supposed to. We still follow certain rules, you have probably heard about the different war crimes, and look at certain countries in different ways for doing these different things……The premise of war just being a somewhat slaughter without any form for payment or honorable fighting is false.

Yuffi.2430:

Zengara – WvW is a PVP game mode by definition. The difference is scale.
Minor differences are that there are 3 teams in WvW and only 2 in sPvP, and sPvP has a score limit as well as a time limit. WvW only has a time limit.
If you missed the link between player participation over the course of a match and the final score then I can see how you might not understand the comparison.

As for the rest of my post, if I’ve upset you then I apologise.
I took your advice and re-read it, the whole post, and to be honest the only thing I wrote that I’m not certain is factual is my assumption that you joined a guild to play with other people. I still think this is likely to be true. If I have got any facts wrong then I’m happy to be corrected and we can follow this with an adult and enlightened discussion.

As previous threads have pointed out, the problem with WvW population is a result of player choices. It really is up to us as players to to fix this ourselves but sadly I think there is more chance of Anet announcing the content of the WvW overhaul next week than all the WvW players dividing themselves evenly between all the servers to even out population differences across all time zones.

It is not PvP by any definition…..By defintion means you can look it up, as for example. Definition is
the formal statement of the meaning or significance of a word, phrase, idiom, etc., as found in dictionaries by definition. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/definition?s=t

Well, the “idea” is ok, if it was not SPvP, and the fact alone that the other team depends and rely on that 1 player AFK, which no other pvp game does, and the time….It actually does not resemble PvP at all, the only thing that is the same is you have a computer and have to defeat other players with computers, everything else is different, from towers, backline, frontline(WvW)……….The difference is just so major, that is hard to even compare, specially the way you did.

Not you, it is me. I hate when people use words or comparisons incorrectly, because each word is meant for something, and use it as something else like the internet sometime does kinda kittenes me off.

“WvW match – one team has players “afk” for a while and suddenly it’s unfair and completely wrong that another team has more players on… Really?!”

This kittened me off because that fact, you compared 2 completely different game modes, as I wrote the only thing that is the same is real players playing vs each other…. I mean, the outcome at the end of the battle is not even the same, nor is the reward.

MarauderShields.6830:

zengara.8301:

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So what I get is that you think nightcapping is unfair because you don’t outnumber the other servers with 60man roflstomping blobs at that time like the rest of the day?
Why is imbalance of population ok during day but not at night?
I don’t defend night capping but it doesn’t annoy me more than population issues during prime.

You have missed my whole post if you think that is what I am thinking.

My idea of WvW is that you win in a fight vs the other servers, population is not a factor here, atleast not in high tiers (even tho I did play on low tier and agree that there should be something done about this, maybe 2v1 where the 2 server help eachother)
My complain is that high tier servers fighting us and other good servers that ruin them like they where paper…..At the current time Far Shiverpeak have taken both keeps with same amount of people and the other servers are running, it is not prime time yet, so I can not say how it looks there be4 around 7, but I guess it wont change much, since it normaly does not. But the idea is that other servers simply depend on that fact, that we sleep, I do not like that.

But I got the premise that the game is about how populated you can keep wvw all around the clock, and not “honerable fighting” or w/e I would call it at this point

Link.1049:

Hacks Bend, Jade Quarry, and a couple other servers have been taking advantage of this for forever. WvW is won based on population around the clock. If you can’t keep a map populated, it’s gonna flip. The solution is to try to recruit people from different time zones.

This one makes sense tho

Yuffi.2430:

I’ll make this short:

PvP match – one person goes afk in spawn and the game is unbalanced affecting the result. All the complaints are directed at the stupid person who was afk.

WvW match – one team has players “afk” for a while and suddenly it’s unfair and completely wrong that another team has more players on… Really?!

Zengara – I understand that you don’t like losing but you’re not helping yourself here.
Some examples:

• You say that you get “bags like it’s raining” during your play time and then complain that people get fed up with being farmed and wait until the zerg has gone.

• You complain about “night time guilds” playing at off peak times. Why are you in a guild? Is it because you enjoy the company of your guild mates, and that you play with them at times that you can get together? Yes? So do not complain about other people doing this either. All the guilds I know of exist because they are players who want to play together – just like your guild. But because they play at a different time to you this “is shady”… in other words underhand, deceptive and a form of cheating?

• You refer to “night time guilds”. This is self centred. You are telling us that even when the sun is up and it’s bright outside it must be night time for all players because it is night for you personally?!

Before anyone says anything I admit to an a slight L2Q issue (learn to quote). It’s early and I’ve not had enough caffeine yet – that’s my excuse and I’ll stick to it!

Differences in populations at different times of the day is part of WvW. The overall position of a server is dependent primarily on population (number of concurrent players)and when those players are on line (server coverage). Player skill and tenacity have a role to play in the overall score too – a good small group can demoralise and drive off a poorly lead bigger group, and players who stick around despite the odds can often make a difference.
This is how WvW is. Sometimes you will win, sometimes you will lose. Just accept this and enjoy the game.

Dude, most BS I have EVER read…..You somehow connect 1 afk person with WvW really? It is more like whole other team is gone and you still gain points……

Here is something I learned from school, if you have to, or want to compare stuff, you need to find something that is completely able to compare like 2 different fantasy stories…..But comparing 1 afk person with WvW? people have to sleep, and the other team knows that that 1 person will go afk, the other team rely on that and only that…..You forget to take into account all these things and want me to take this post seriously? lol

Stop comparing….like ever, you are truly the worst at it, you compare something that does not make sense at all to highlight your idea of what it is……instead of reality of what it is

To be honest…..the only thing you should have written in this post is about the population part, everything else seems like BS……you should seriously just have deleted everything beside that……please re-read it again, you can not seriously in any way think that it is true…….specially the PvP vs WvW part……like that one does not make sense at all…………..

Yeah I like that idea, the idea of having population around the clock makes sense. I did not think of that, simply thougt the idea of WvW was to fight, that is where we are different minded, but I can understand it, and honestly do respect that idea.

laokoko.7403:

One last thing is obviously the server with strong night time loss at day time.

Since if they are stong in both day and night. They will be much higher in ranking.

Now if you use some algorithm to limit the points in night time, those strong night time will get push down the ranks.

The end result is those server with strong night group will fight even worser opponent at night.

I think the worst problem with WvW is most people quit if they are lossing. Maybe the problem with your server is there would be some people at night. It’s just that people don’t even bother to try if they are lossing.

Lol first of all you are saying that strong night servers obviously lose at day time? Lol why, the same numbers of people are still up at day time, these regions still have a fully populated with que WvW on prime time, they just lose since they are not as good……..

And night time guilds try to avoid fights unless if massivly higher in population, which is fair, what is not fair, is that they are winning simply because others are not there.

Lol, my server is getting bags as if they are raining on day time, the “problem” with out server is that we rarely find someone to actually fight, they fight a few times then leave, and wait til the night group will win it for them.

As I said we are getting keeps while massive que on other servers as if they are towers….But as soon as monday turns up the other servers rely fully on the whole server sleeping, which should not even be a thing in the game.

I must admit, it is good to see this a more straight forward answer like this

“even tho we are bad at day time, you are wrong that you did not buy a night time guild and A-Net should not change this because I do not want to fall in tier since I do know my day time is bad, and we do rely completely on our night time to fight doors”……

But it is shady

laokoko.7403:

I actually play on a oceanic server.

The thing is WvW is never fair. What does day and night even have anything to do with the topic.

Even if my server loss at day time. That’s because of population imbalance too.

Even if it’s not population imbalance, my server loss because the players sucks.

You might say well, your server should loss since your players are bad.

My response is obviously since all the wvw guild jumped ship to join another server. Not to mention other server actually pay for transfer fees so top WvW guild on my server can transfer.

If you care that much about WvW find people to defend at night time.

Weather there should be decreased points for night capping that’s for Anet to decided.

WvW is actually often fair, you win a fights, you get outplayed from either numbers or tricking you so they got to higer tiers……
But having other regions join your fight to win simply because people from other servers are sleeping, not even up is rather shady in everyway……..It is somewhat disgusting in my eyes.

Well, if you want me to say it “You Might Aswell Lose Since Your Players Are Bad” I do not try to hold any hidden agenda………..
Lol if your player base can not fight us in a straight battle why should you be able to win`? I mean…..sorry but I find this way to funny, so you say that if in a pvp or any fights the other team simply are bad they should win? xD
But back to your idea of me tryieng to find a guild from another region to fight for us in a battle at night…..like are you serious? I mean you cant seriously think in anyway that this is a serious answer in anyway….

Sorry but I find that answer all in all rather messed up

Dawdler.8521:

OP dragged in time and timezones into the argument. Fail from the get go as that have nothing to do with nightcapping.

Nightcapping/daycapping/offtime score abusing/whatever the hell you want to call it can only be balanced by taking into account currently active WvW population. It wouldnt need any rework of the scoring system other than a percentage multiplier (if you want straight up percentage calculation, like 10% population would cap PPT at 10% value) or a multi-stage multiplier (“low”, “medium”, “high”, like how server population does it).

Well having a straight 50% less point score on night time will do the trick, since these points is gathered while others is not even in the game.

Peazomanco.7259:

It would be neccesary a full rework of scoring system to avoid that.

Thank you, that is a real answer without any hidden agenda. I can understand this, it will take quiet a while