Guild Wars 2

Uh, programming AI is far from the Dev’s best skills. Using the Ranger pet is evidence enough of that. I wouldn’t expect much in this direction.

Azure, not really. When I run that dungeon we still DPS that boss down instead of wasting time with the totems or worrying about CC since he has the defiance stacks.

Mokah… You must be new here because they have a history of bringing things down to match instead of lifting things up to match.

A dev has already said they’d rather change the preception of something than actually improve it. That’s why the ranger shortbow got nerfed to make the longbow look better by comparison. That is fact. That is history. That was done. That was not the only case of it either. There is no reason to believe they won’t bring down Zerkers instead of bringing up other types of builds due to past history… So, I repeat, you must be new here.

Seems like a few people get it that until the mechanics of the game move to bring in the holy trinity there is no reason to do anything other than DPS… Which is why all of my toons are setup for zerker. I don’t understand why you’d want to run anything other than DPS unless you are in 40+ factals… but even then…

JonPeters, you guys can try to change the meta but until fundamentals of the game are changed (like getting rid of condi caps and defiance) then DPS will always be king.

So, a certain lead game designer has admitted pet F2s and general AI cannot be fixed without touching every creature in the game because they share code during the infamous CDI events…. Great. Ok. Lets do something about that. Since the Ranger class is balanced with a broken class mechanic that is expected to have 100% uptime, why not give the option to stow the pet for a buff and transfer 100% damage output returned to the Ranger? There should be an option for those of us who don’t want to use a broken class mechanic. After playing other characters that have class mechanics that work as intended it makes me hate my pet that much more… and don’t get me wrong, I love playing my Ranger but hate playing a Ranger with the pet. Until they are fixed or we are given the option not to use them and given control over 100% of our damage output, the Ranger will always be handicapped.

Meh… Still waiting to see all that talk from the Dec 10th take form much less all that was discussed in the subclasses forums to make it to the game. If none of that makes it (which hasn’t from what I’ve seen) then all the CDI is just a PR game.

Boy, it would be nice if you salvage things like dragonite ore and those emphyaosihdjg;aolih fragments into essences of luck, right? I think so… plus since I ain’t doing anything with the ascended I would love to be able to salvage the more “rare” ascended mats into essences of luck… or at least let me vendor the kitten things for dat moneys.

Now, if only all dungeon mobs/trash was as easy to take down and gave such loot there wouldn’t be any skipping going on …

Only spirit I will run is frost spirit for the passive bonus and thats in dungeons…. like COF p1 where class doesn’t matter that much.

Sorry, but other than the passive on frost spirit in dungeons, spirits suck worse than a turbocharged hoover on meth. Of course, they only suck if you care about actually doing damage.

Want to make spirits worth a kitten ? Make them EXACTLY like warrior banners.

EDIT: Speaking strictly from PVE/Dungeon PoV as I don’t WVW/s/tPVP.

Then please show it with the next balance patch, Mr Sharp. Actions speak 1000x louder than words.

Why keep playing?

That’s easy: DRUNKEN GUILD NIGHTS!!!

I hate time gating. I hate hate hate it. I made one set of celestial for the ranger cause it can’t do any one thing great anyway. I will not be participating in anything other further time gated content.

I can’t wait for Scarlett to be dead and gone story wise. I want to get back to the dragon lore.

Talk is cheap. CDI is worthless without the accompanying action.

Judging by the lack of action taken from the last CDI before the “big” balance patch on the five toons I have, this CDI will be a non-starter.

Unless action is taken on the CDI then it is nothing more than PR.

Well, Kal, it’s just Darth here wants to force his view point on other players and he wants the Dev’s to force EVERYONE to do what he wants to do which is to level the Rev up without any tomes or exp scrolls. It’s pretty obvious.

I, for one, will be using exp scrolls, writs, and tomes to get mine up to LVL 80 as fast as possible.

Why not wait until seeing the complete class before making such a suggestion?

warbignime.4610:

A few days ago I saw blue stream gw2.

Nobody cares.

Why do Rangers suck in dungeons?

1) Low DPS
2) Pets suck

/thread

Wife and I ran a fractal last night. We started the party. Had 2/5 pugs. WE GOT KICKED FROM OUR OWN PARTY.

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ANET?

I’m just hoping that Druid isn’t the only Specialization that Ranger gets… REALLY hoping there’s one with a new class mechanic that isn’t a pet… In which case I’ll be switching to that one and never switching back

Again. Silliness. Your reasoning is weak opinion at best. Bottom line is if you don’t enjoy it don’t do it.

Uh, wut?

1st off: Please define your vision of what OP is.

2ndly: Where are you saying confusion is way too powerfull in PVE? Dungeons? Fractals? World Boss events? Heart quests?

3rdly: There’s no creature in the game that hits fast enough to make confusion even remotely “OP” even defined in the most perverse way possible… which is why it’s getting buffed next balance patch.

4th: Get out of here, troll.

So, after nearly a year…. I started a new character. A necro in prep for the greatsword. Great. Now I’ll get to see what this NPE is all about.

Uh, no. **** this sideways with a pineapple on fire.

I gave up on the NPE. I’m waiting on HoT and the revamp of the NPE before I go about unlocking the skills/traits on the necro I made. As a vet player, this is just torture to try to unlock all these skills and traits. It makes me really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really miss the old way now

I don’t care. Don’t care if PVP interest in this game dies out 100%. Pretty sure it’s not PVP players that’s keeping the gem store up and running thus keeping the lights on.

1. Pets are fixed because Devs don’t think they are broken. Remember John Sharp saying two bears can rip the face off of warriors while the rangers afk during a stog not too long ago?? I do. I loathe his views on the pet and rangers.

2. They won’t fix pets because they’d have to admit they were wrong. They either don’t have the map power or ability to fix them.

3. Someone gave a great suggestion: when you make a ranger you can choose either Preparations or Pets. I went and read up on GW1 Preps and I want this badly. So much. I am not holding hope for it though.

Over all, I’m losing interest in this game between Anet’s refusal to replace or perma-stow pets and the lack-luster updates in the Living Story content.

Xsorus.2507:

Rofl….at people who think losing 300 range on shortbow is made up by increasing the damage of 3 abilities by 15%, that all hit for less then crossfire in the first place.

Lets clear something up here…

People who are trying to pretend that kitten sandwich you’re eating is chicken are kidding themselves…

There is nothing positive about these nerfs, There is nothing is going to make up for them in this patch, You’re going to be doing less damage and with less range… The Ranger as a whole is collectively worse then it was before.

Quit pretending that everything is puppy dogs and rainbows.

This. This so hard it hurts. Hurts so bad….

Suggestion: put suggestions in the suggestion sub-section

And no. I like my loot.

I’m calling it now:

Aquaman v2.

I do believe he is working on Living Story dungeons. And after a lot of the posts here in response to his, I’d be surprised if he ever posted here again.

Kasei.8726:

I really just want a “Lone Wolf” grandmaster trait: Damage increased by 12%, toughness and precision increased by 7%, pets are permanently stored.

A great many people want to perma-stow pets, especially during combat. Far more than people who think we should always have the pets… I’m willing to bet its a 100:1 ratio at minimum.

sorudo.9054:

queensdale is empty most of the time because the trains make it so, remove them and you see it fill up with the players that are suppose to be there.

So wrong. It will just empty of the people running the train. That’s how it was before. That’s how it would be if the train was removed.

This parentalism is toxic to the community. Threads like this only server to tear the community apart rather than fostering any type of cohesion because this is a clear and cut case of “Play how I want. I don’t care if you’re enjoying it. Yes, you need to play how I say you need to play.”

Henrik.7560:

post here the worst/stupidest mistake you’ve done.

Putting hope into the Ranger getting fixed.

Redenaz.8631:

…I’m sure this is a reference to something else, but I have no idea what you’re talking about. Was there another thread on this somewhere around here that I missed?

Same here. No idea wat is going on in this thread.

I don’t think that quite counts as a haiku…

Magoo.5607:

I guess I’m just tired of hand holding in MMOs. Just make a Tutorial that gives you an idea of what is about to occur, one I can skip on alts, and then let us loose to discover it all. Right now I feel forced to unlock things so I can then play.

/shrug

Old way didn’t hold the hand. I much prefer it to the NPE.

Tell you what is an easy fix that IS simple and isn’t a major overhaul: change the code that makes the pet pop out in combat so I don’t have to work with a broken mechanic. Bam. Pets fixed. You can still have your pet out if you want. Everybody is happy.

Mobs have barely EVER dropped loot other than trash… except for the Scarlet Invasion LS event. That was pretty good loot back then. And that was only equalled by the 1st Queen Pavillion event… The 2nd one was terrible for loot.

*Fractal Resets

Glad I didn’t bother lvl’ing up to be reset because I’d be super kitten ed at you, Anet, for knocking me back down.

*Ascended Gear

That kittened time gating means I will never get ascended gear (except for what I can buy with laurels.

*Horizontal Progression
*Vertical Progression

Y’all are going to do what y’all need to regardless of what the player base says because y’all have a business to keep going.

*Grind

Grind is fine as long as it is not time gating

*Art Progression

Sure, why not.

*Alts

It was obvious with the alt-nerfing patch to dungeons that alts aren’t looked upon kindly in this game. You nerfed the one reason I played my alts more than any other. Now the Ranger (was my main) pet is just so bad I decided that my Gaurdian needed to be my main as the class mechanic actually works on them.

*Gates

HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE time gating. It is the most silly thing ever. No, saying I hate it doesn’t do it justice… I think the word loathing actually fits here.

*Map progression

Need more. A lot more.

*Ascended creation time

That time gate requirement is extremely annoying. So much so I will never make ascended gear because I refuse to have anything to do with it.

In Gw1 it appears they were much closer to what they were modeling to then. In Gw2 they modeled it after a BeastMaster. I was never aware of a ranger/warden always having pets by them fighting. Calling on them from time to time, sure, but always? No. There’s a name for that type and it’s BeastMaster.

I never can tell when it is day or night. Seems like it’s always day time since it is so easy to see everything all the time.

I like the ranger. I hate the pet. I don’t like John Sharp for what he has voiced about the Ranger on the STOG interviews because its lies.

Until they give me the option to perma-stow my pet, this class will never be great. There has been better pet AI ten years ago. That’s not exaggeration. That’s fact. You can blow hot air until you are blue in the face or deny until you die, but it is beyond a shadow of a doubt that the pet is the Achilles heel of this class. There’s no debate on this despite the blow-hard denialist on this forum that are convinced the pets are worth a dam when they aren’t.

I would love LOVE to have a Ranger and not a Beast Master.

Girion.5483:

@ all those people hoping to get rid of the pet entirely:
Look no further, there’s a simple solution. Roll a warrior, pick longbow, select the Stronger Bowstring trait et voila, there you go, your own personal archer without a pet. It’s really that easy. ArenaNet stated countless times that the Ranger is primarily a pet class. Time to believe it, guys.

Uh, no. You can accept the shaft in unpleasent places but I’m not. I’ve got a warrior. It’s just not as fun as a Ranger. The Ranger feels like an archer in ways the Warrior can’t replicate. The Ranger is fun to play in ways the Warrior is not. Had you done what you suggest you would know this. Anyone who rolls both knows this. If I recall the Ranger in GW1 was “primarily pet” class but the pet was still optional. There is NOTHING stopping them from doing that in GW2. I whole heartily believe it is beyond their technical capabilities to program the pet AI to react the way it needs to, to make it worth a flip in any given situation. Simply put: if they could do it they would have already. They’ve been doing this for better part of a decade. If they could they would have already. You can blow all the smoke you want but that doesn’t change the fact pets lack dodging and that’s bad in a game built on damage mitigation through dodging. If anything they should do what they did in GW1 and bring in preparations as an option to pets. I wouldn’t care if I had to delete my Ranger and re-roll to get preps (as I would lose my infinit axe, pick, sycle) but it would be worth it… and I imagine at least half of the Rangers out there would do the same thing.

So, you can sit back and take it like a quiet lassy but I’m not. I’m going to complain until the make the class I love playing and make it great.

I am curious about why Knighthonor.4061 didn’t just get that there’s a trinity in this game that is DPSsss, Control, and support.

Traiditional trinityyyy is the most boring way to make an MMO of them all. Why did they make a whole game with non-traditional trinity roles.

I rather have DPSsss and keep the Control and Support.

Anybody else agree?

We tried to help Anet with the class through their own CDI. Very little has seem to come of it. Only thing that came out of if was that we learned they can’t fix our pets AI or F2 without a complete overhaul of every creature in the game… Yeah. Forever band-aided is the status-quo for our pets thus Rangers are forever handicapped. I had high hopes after that admission that Anet would finally relent and give us an option to have pets or not… I still hold out hope, but after playing on my other toons so much more its easier just to use a class where the class mechanics work and learn to love it like my Ranger than to keep hope alive that Anet will fix the pets. Speaking of which, I don’t understand how a certain developer could say we shouldn’t have more control over our pets because it will scare away new players (someone can link the State of the Game video if they want where it was said by a “sharp” developer) but the Elementalist weapons w/attunements… Jesus. Every weapon set has 20 attack options! I don’t see how having more control of the pets would overwhelm new players but attunements does not.

I don’t enjoying kittening in the wind with my mouth open because if Anet’s own initative to get the “community brainstorming” was ignored I have no hope for this to help. Either way, good luck to you.

Even though Jon Sharp has stated in the STOG that pet micro managment is a bad thing because it will scare away new players, i.e. too many options, I still say we need keybinds for faster access to these actions. I play with the nostromo and naga and have room for these as do quite a few other players I know.

I figure if we can get the keybind released for right click, this shouldn’t be too difficult either.

So hard to solve they aren’t going to do it because of what is involved to actually fix them. As I have said a thousand times since that admission I’m hoping they’ll give us an alternative to pets since they will not or cannot fix them without dumping massive amounts of resources into reprograming creature source code then testing.

Yeah, those fixes in the OP would be nice though. We need more active condition removal.

jcbroe.4329:

Can I just take a moment to remind people of something?

The damage rapid fire does has not increased with the patch.

Before the patch, it was actually LESS dodge-able than it is now, with MORE guaranteed damage on the target.

The only different to the weapon now is the time frame in which Rapid Fire deals it’s damage, and it comes down to the point that has been argued up and down these forums now that we can compare the old sustained damage longbow to the new burst longbow; In theory, sustained damage is better because it is harder to mitigate since it is dealt consistently. However, in practice, players have a harder time reacting to burst damage based on skill ceiling/floor, resulting in burst usually having an overall higher effectiveness against players ill-equipped to handle the mechanics of burst damage.

Go up against a good player. Like, an ACTUALLY good player. You will almost never land even a hit of rapid fire, because they know to counter the longbow, they have to dodge the skill and get into melee where dodging “through” a character cancels their cast, and incidentally, the autoattack damage is also at its lowest at close range.

If rapid fire is “still landing one or two hits,” it always did this. In fact, before the patch, you could double dodge and still be hit with ~5 hits of Rapid Fire versus the 2-3 you might land now, and the damage per arrow hasn’t increased.

ANet has stated explicitly, multiple times, that players shouldn’t be able to 100% completely negate the efforts of opposing players, because it’s already enough to be able to render them so ineffective that you should be more than capable of achieving a win against them.

The longbow is EXACTLY where it needs to be at now. If anything is broken after the patch, it’s the will of all of the bad players who can’t seem to figure out that they actually have MORE options to counter longbow users now.

Allie Murdock.8152:

As Orca pointed out, some people aren’t as fond of the pets. The idea of the buff would be to appease everyone. Also, what if stowing the pet and having an aspect gave the Ranger some kind of aura that communicated to others they are in that “aspect”? Would it still feel like the pet was a part of you if them being stowed affected your physical appearance?

If not, I don’t think the aspect idea would be a necessity for players. There are definitely things that need to be done to fix Ranger pets in general, and it’s something we are well aware of. If we fixed those things, but maybe also added in the aspect idea, I think we’d be in a spot where everyone would be pleased, no?

Just musing!

Some? No. Many many people. Just have a gander at how many threads have been created in the subforum about replacing them with something. If perma-stowing during combat = aura buff I am so hard for it that if I was anymore I would explode with infinite unicorn rainbows from every orifice.

Point blank it is your own fault if you think there is nothing to do. You might not want to do what there is to do in game, but that is a different matter than “there’s nothing to do”.

Fun is subjective. What you find fun I may not. It is impossible to design anything that 100% of the player base will find fun and engaging. Take it or leave it.

Honestly, sounds like you just need not ever come back because no matter what they do you will find something to be unhappy about.

As long as there is a healthbar on the enemy then DPS will always be king.

And I’m with Deathpanel on this one. I’ve done somewhere well north of 500 fractals and surely 1000+ dungeons by now… I don’t watch cut scenes anymore and very rarely is it fun because of bads. I’m there for the gold/loots.