Guild Wars 2

ShinjoNaomi.1896:

Scrambles.2604:

ShinjoNaomi.1896:

Scrambles.2604:

ShinjoNaomi.1896:

Scrambles.2604:

Tommyknocker.6089:

Sad Swordfish.9743:

Yeah.. two of my friends left the game and went back to WoW because of lack of duels. I asked them why they just didnt pvp? Apparantly they didnt enjoy the competitive aspects of WvW and sPvP.

“in duels you don’t die. its not serious. you are just having fun”.

I don’t know. I think duels would be cool but there should be an auto-ignore option!

There are a plethora of MMO’s that have the dueling feature, and afaik only one triple a rated game (this one) that doesn’t. I’m sure ANet doesn’t want to lose players like your friends there, but I’m positive they don’t want to lose the players that were drawn here for it’s more friendly co-operative atmosphere.

Also auto-ignore doesn’t work when you are being followed around by someone slandering your name in map screaming on about how you are a coward; has happened to me.

The bolded part is making me lol.

As far as i know, ESO still doesn’t have duels either. They have the same threads on their subreddit and forums as well. Like literally, the same conversations about duels, except they say ESO instead of GW2.

I guess people won’t be happy until they can trash-talk and chest thump about how great they are/how terrible other people are in every single game out there and deride the ‘carebears’ who just don’t care for the hyper-competitive mental children that seems to be attracted to PvP.

Yeah, it’s definitely laughable…

yeah i know right!

Or those people that make blanket statements about an entire group, based on their own personal experiences with a tiny percentage of people that may share one common factor with the entire group!

Laugh central right here!

I know!
Those people who keep making those ‘blanket statements’ about all those PvE-loving Carebares and how they are blocking their PvP fun are indeed, very laughable… Aren’t they.

This is exactly what i was talking about. Since I am in favor of open world duels, i am automatically labeled as a troll, jerk, harasser, what have you. You automatically assume i want to duel and harass strangers to boost my ego or whatever the prevailing stereotype is now-a-days.

I have never once called anyone a carebear or complained about people who don’t like PvP.

Your irrational disdain for open world duels has turned you into the same type of troll that you fear open world dueling will propagate.

Irrational disdain?
Tell me, if you have a group of people that, 9 times out of 10 ends up slapping you in the face, spits epithets at you and brings endless amounts of harassment when you run into them, is it ‘irrational’ to not want to have anything to do with them?

For lack of a better way of putting it… This line of logic makes as much sense as blaming a victim in a crime…

There is PvP in the Mists. There is WvW. Yet you want to interject PvP in the only place in the game where there is none and where it is not needed.
Sounds a lot more ’troll’y to me then anything…

You want to call me a jaded, angry gamer or a ‘troll’? Fine. But don’t pretend that this entire pile of crap that’s been slung around started from the oh-so-wonderful PvP community.

/No on Dueling in PvE

Yeah, it is definitely irrational to claim that 90% of the players that enjoy competitive PvP are bullies that want to harass you and spit in your face. Either irrational or your really bad with percentages.

Keep it up man, every time you post you continue to prove my points.

Tommyknocker.6089:

OmaiGodman.2098:

If you want duels so badly go back to WoW and stop complaining…. I’m not waiting for having to decline duel invites every minute or so. It’s basically why I stopped playing WoW after 10 minutes.

Actually there are many MMO’s on the market besides WoW and some that are going to be released soon that will appease these players.

If Archage takes off as much as I hope it does, maybe we can get a reduction in these threads to one a month. Seeing as it is usually the same 4 or so people that make these threads it shouldn’t take much for them to migrate to newer pastures.

I need to correct this. A lot of the same people post in these threads (i would know because i think i post in all of them), but every thread has been made by a unique individual.

Usually, it’s someone new to the game, wondering why there isn’t open world duels, totally unprepared for the crapstorm of a thread they just started, lol.

ShinjoNaomi.1896:

Scrambles.2604:

ShinjoNaomi.1896:

Scrambles.2604:

Tommyknocker.6089:

Sad Swordfish.9743:

Yeah.. two of my friends left the game and went back to WoW because of lack of duels. I asked them why they just didnt pvp? Apparantly they didnt enjoy the competitive aspects of WvW and sPvP.

“in duels you don’t die. its not serious. you are just having fun”.

I don’t know. I think duels would be cool but there should be an auto-ignore option!

There are a plethora of MMO’s that have the dueling feature, and afaik only one triple a rated game (this one) that doesn’t. I’m sure ANet doesn’t want to lose players like your friends there, but I’m positive they don’t want to lose the players that were drawn here for it’s more friendly co-operative atmosphere.

Also auto-ignore doesn’t work when you are being followed around by someone slandering your name in map screaming on about how you are a coward; has happened to me.

The bolded part is making me lol.

As far as i know, ESO still doesn’t have duels either. They have the same threads on their subreddit and forums as well. Like literally, the same conversations about duels, except they say ESO instead of GW2.

I guess people won’t be happy until they can trash-talk and chest thump about how great they are/how terrible other people are in every single game out there and deride the ‘carebears’ who just don’t care for the hyper-competitive mental children that seems to be attracted to PvP.

Yeah, it’s definitely laughable…

yeah i know right!

Or those people that make blanket statements about an entire group, based on their own personal experiences with a tiny percentage of people that may share one common factor with the entire group!

Laugh central right here!

I know!
Those people who keep making those ‘blanket statements’ about all those PvE-loving Carebares and how they are blocking their PvP fun are indeed, very laughable… Aren’t they.

This is exactly what i was talking about. Since I am in favor of open world duels, i am automatically labeled as a troll, jerk, harasser, what have you. You automatically assume i want to duel and harass strangers to boost my ego or whatever the prevailing stereotype is now-a-days.

I have never once called anyone a carebear or complained about people who don’t like PvP.

Your irrational disdain for open world duels has turned you into the same type of troll that you fear open world dueling will propagate.

ShinjoNaomi.1896:

Scrambles.2604:

Tommyknocker.6089:

Sad Swordfish.9743:

Yeah.. two of my friends left the game and went back to WoW because of lack of duels. I asked them why they just didnt pvp? Apparantly they didnt enjoy the competitive aspects of WvW and sPvP.

“in duels you don’t die. its not serious. you are just having fun”.

I don’t know. I think duels would be cool but there should be an auto-ignore option!

There are a plethora of MMO’s that have the dueling feature, and afaik only one triple a rated game (this one) that doesn’t. I’m sure ANet doesn’t want to lose players like your friends there, but I’m positive they don’t want to lose the players that were drawn here for it’s more friendly co-operative atmosphere.

Also auto-ignore doesn’t work when you are being followed around by someone slandering your name in map screaming on about how you are a coward; has happened to me.

The bolded part is making me lol.

As far as i know, ESO still doesn’t have duels either. They have the same threads on their subreddit and forums as well. Like literally, the same conversations about duels, except they say ESO instead of GW2.

I guess people won’t be happy until they can trash-talk and chest thump about how great they are/how terrible other people are in every single game out there and deride the ‘carebears’ who just don’t care for the hyper-competitive mental children that seems to be attracted to PvP.

Yeah, it’s definitely laughable…

yeah i know right!

Or those people that make blanket statements about an entire group, based on their own personal experiences with a tiny percentage of people that may share one common factor with the entire group!

Laugh central right here!

Tommyknocker.6089:

Sad Swordfish.9743:

Yeah.. two of my friends left the game and went back to WoW because of lack of duels. I asked them why they just didnt pvp? Apparantly they didnt enjoy the competitive aspects of WvW and sPvP.

“in duels you don’t die. its not serious. you are just having fun”.

I don’t know. I think duels would be cool but there should be an auto-ignore option!

There are a plethora of MMO’s that have the dueling feature, and afaik only one triple a rated game (this one) that doesn’t. I’m sure ANet doesn’t want to lose players like your friends there, but I’m positive they don’t want to lose the players that were drawn here for it’s more friendly co-operative atmosphere.

Also auto-ignore doesn’t work when you are being followed around by someone slandering your name in map screaming on about how you are a coward; has happened to me.

The bolded part is making me lol.

As far as i know, ESO still doesn’t have duels either. They have the same threads on their subreddit and forums as well. Like literally, the same conversations about duels, except they say ESO instead of GW2.

Here’s the most recent thread about duels.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Dueling-Option-Forgotten-1/page/4#post4313441

tl;dr – Not likely. And also a bunch of people are gunna come in this thread and be like “Oh gee! Another duel thread!” Dueling is not popular around here for some reason.

Scrambles.2604:

Rarely does this community find itself primarily on the same side of an issue, so something must be afoot. WvW has lost a lot of players (at least from my perspective as a WvW player), and colored tags is a big change to improve and enhance WvW.

In order to get the word out to bring players back to WvW, Anet implements a controversial change to generate buzz and reach out to old GW2 players that may not follow the game closely, but would likely hear about what is regarded in the community as a big mistake.

I would imagine changing the colored tags to be more accessible would be a relatively easy change, so they set themselves up to be in a position of “OK you guys are right! We are changing the tags, because we are listening and we are here for you!”

Ragnar.4257:

Ragnar.4257:

Inb4 this was a calculated ‘leak’ so they can then ‘generously’ change the decision to show how ‘in touch’ they are with WvW players.

Say what

you’re too late, i called it on page 6 of this thread, lol.

Beldin.5498:

Heart of the Mists .. that’s where they can allow duelling .. there where you also can
fight those test golems .. that is the only correct place in my opinion.

yeah that would be great except my character in heart of the mists is different from the one i use in WvW.

It would be funny, and not surprising to the see the sPvP community rise up if your suggestion was implemented, with the same sort of complaints that come from the PvEers.
“I am in heart of the mists to queue for sPvP! I shouldn’t have to watch people duel, and see their particle effects clutter my screen! I shouldn’t have to read all these arguments and and insults in mapchat that result from dueling in heart of the mists! Everytime i join heart of the mists i am bombarded with duel spam!”

So basically, none of the complaints from the anti-duelers would disappear, they would just be burdened on the sPvP population, which i guess you could care less about, haha. Not your problem, right?

Taygus.4571:

Scrambles.2604:

EvilSardine.9635:

Honestly, at this point I’d be happy with dueling in the OS puzzle arena area between server members.

How would that work? If duel requests were enabled only in OS, you would still have to deal with people from other servers interrupting. It’s pretty close to why custom spvp fails as a duel substitute.

I still think open world is best, because it’s the open world. It’s the place for leisure activities.

If you could duel in sPvP you would interfere with your teammates who are trying to actually play sPvP, and if you could duel in WvW, people would go there to duel instead of fight for their server. I know queues for WvW aren’t an issue, but if you have a spot in WvW you should be WvWing, not dueling.

Ok, but open world is very unlikely to happen.

so it’s time to think of another option, that would be viable.

I agree, open world duels are unlikely to happen. Mostly for the reasons i posted on the first page of the thread. Open world duels isn’t very attractive to monetize, it doesn’t really fit with the LS model, and it’s not really consistent with the types of updates we’ve seen in the game.
I think the devs would like to add it, but wont ever be able to due to restrictions with time/money/resources and because it’s not consistent with the current direction of the game or quarterly fiscal goals.

I do not believe they didn’t include duels because of the “toxicity” associated with it, “balance issues, duel spam, etc” or because of the “12 years pro-duelers” that make up the majority of the claims against duels. That is foolish, easy to work around, and has been figured out by just about every MMO except GW2 and i guess ESO.

I think suggesting an alternative is just as futile as suggesting open world duels.

EvilSardine.9635:

Honestly, at this point I’d be happy with dueling in the OS puzzle arena area between server members.

How would that work? If duel requests were enabled only in OS, you would still have to deal with people from other servers interrupting. It’s pretty close to why custom spvp fails as a duel substitute.

I still think open world is best, because it’s the open world. It’s the place for leisure activities.

If you could duel in sPvP you would interfere with your teammates who are trying to actually play sPvP, and if you could duel in WvW, people would go there to duel instead of fight for their server. I know queues for WvW aren’t an issue anymore, but if you have a spot in WvW you should be WvWing, not dueling.

i like the D-Series golem. I would use it if all my other elite skills weren’t better, haha.

The shield the golem makes is cool for WvW. If you could make the golem cast the shield manually instead of whenever he feels like casting it, that would be a huge improvement. Like casting the elite a second/third time would make the golem cast the shield —that would rock.

That’s the only thing that really keeps me from using the D series golem. It would be useful if it didn’t cast the shield whenever and whereever it feels like. It’s too random to rely on.

Azure The Heartless.3261:

Scrambles.2604:

Azure The Heartless.3261:

200g is a lot of money, but you’re paying for a new server instance. It still appears that anet would like you to spend gems to create and maintain it though. dueling would hit that hard. There would be no reason to purchase a custom arena if all you wanted was to spar with your friends. this has absolutely nothing to do with me, it’s just an aside as to why this probably won’t happen.

While duels are for fun, not everyone sees them that way. Some see dueling as a means of prestige, and any perceived inequality that does not stem from skill is often seen as imbalanced. While some people may duel people when they have a clear disadvantage, others are so nitpicky that outside of a flat win, any room for loss other than mistakes on their end is immediately the cause of their loss. There will be many people that will duel for ego, and this portion of the community is the only portion that affect people other than themselves or their duel opponent. You may see it as fun, but you will also not be the one who thinks its an ego game and annoys map chat when he is proven wrong.

Regarding Open world PVP, hotjoin PVP serves this purpose as well, in particular the rooms dedicated to dueling. since PVP allows access to Traits, Runes, and Sigils, you can play around with these options to your hearts content in a room that does not have rank progression, in order to obtain some idea of what you’d prefer to use in terms of those traits/sigils/runes for PVE.

you can very easily learn and train with different builds in PVP. In hotjoin duel rooms this is actually what the players in that room are -there- for.
and even if someone -does- finish you, the respawn time is like 5 seconds… and you dont take armor damage.

no worries, dude…this is just gunna go back and forth like this. I was attempting to explain my perspective, as an innocent bystander that would love to be able to duels in the open world.

I am caught in a difficult spot, because i am not a troll, yet i have to put up with the damage the trolls have apparently caused on the reputation of a simple feature like dueling. That and of course, a lot of players in GW2 bring a lot of emotional baggage with them from past games, where apparently their dueling experience was tarnished by a few bad apples.

If custom sPvP was sufficient, believe me, i would be there! But i have tried it and found it just as lacking as trying to bait enemies in WvW into no-kill sparring matches. Just like Colin Johanson said, it is an awkward round about way of trying to do things.

I have made an effort to propose open world duels in a way that would have a minimal impact on those who do not care for duels. But just like the extremists and trolls that have tarnished the neutral feature that is open world duels, the extremists against duels will not see any concessions that would have open world duels implemented, even if it were done in a way that would negate the impact open world duels would have on them.

As was stated before, if they did something with obsidian sanctum to let people duel there regardless of what world they were affiliated with, it would be prime choice.
I’d rather -not- tick off a whole lot of people just to get a mechanic that a few, relatively, would enjoy, though.

I’d like duels, but they have to be someplace where they both allow PVE functionality and freedom of opponent choice while still not ticking off those that just want to PVE unbothered by the mapchat more than they are now.

Why not just use the open world? I mean, it’s literally referred to as the “open world.” I couldn’t think of a more fitting place. There is so much space to not bother people.

In OS, you are limited to the OS map, not the entire would, and you still have the issue of zoning into another area. This ruins the casual nature of duels. Of course, the functionality of OS may change if duels were specifically enabled there, but as it stands, it’s still a free for all between servers, so while you are dueling your buddy from your server some jerk from another server could interrupt it.

Wooden potatoes said – “any chat in mapchat is better than no map chat” Basically, even if people are arguing, at least the zone isn’t dead!! I’ve played plenty of MMOs where zone chat is a ghost town. The point of map chat is for people to use it! How is that an argument against duels “oh man if people duel they might talk about it in chat jee golly!” If someone is annoying in map chat, like plenty of people are already, do the sensible thing and block them.

Azure The Heartless.3261:

200g is a lot of money, but you’re paying for a new server instance. It still appears that anet would like you to spend gems to create and maintain it though. dueling would hit that hard. There would be no reason to purchase a custom arena if all you wanted was to spar with your friends. this has absolutely nothing to do with me, it’s just an aside as to why this probably won’t happen.

While duels are for fun, not everyone sees them that way. Some see dueling as a means of prestige, and any perceived inequality that does not stem from skill is often seen as imbalanced. While some people may duel people when they have a clear disadvantage, others are so nitpicky that outside of a flat win, any room for loss other than mistakes on their end is immediately the cause of their loss. There will be many people that will duel for ego, and this portion of the community is the only portion that affect people other than themselves or their duel opponent. You may see it as fun, but you will also not be the one who thinks its an ego game and annoys map chat when he is proven wrong.

Regarding Open world PVP, hotjoin PVP serves this purpose as well, in particular the rooms dedicated to dueling. since PVP allows access to Traits, Runes, and Sigils, you can play around with these options to your hearts content in a room that does not have rank progression, in order to obtain some idea of what you’d prefer to use in terms of those traits/sigils/runes for PVE.

you can very easily learn and train with different builds in PVP. In hotjoin duel rooms this is actually what the players in that room are -there- for.
and even if someone -does- finish you, the respawn time is like 5 seconds… and you dont take armor damage.

no worries, dude…this is just gunna go back and forth like this. I was attempting to explain my perspective, as an innocent bystander that would love to be able to duels in the open world.

I am caught in a difficult spot, because i am not a troll, yet i have to put up with the damage the trolls have apparently caused on the reputation of a simple feature like dueling. That and of course, a lot of players in GW2 bring a lot of emotional baggage with them from past games, where apparently their dueling experience was tarnished by a few bad apples.

If custom sPvP was sufficient, believe me, i would be there! But i have tried it and found it just as lacking as trying to bait enemies in WvW into no-kill sparring matches. Just like Colin Johanson said, it is an awkward round about way of trying to do things.

I have made an effort to propose open world duels in a way that would have a minimal impact on those who do not care for duels. But just like the extremists and trolls that have tarnished the neutral feature that is open world duels, the extremists against duels will not see any concessions that would have open world duels implemented, even if it were done in a way that would negate the impact open world duels would have on them.

Azure The Heartless.3261:

Scrambles.2604:

Bread.7516:

What exactly can you not do in custom arena compared to open world dueling?

Don’t worry guys i got this one!

If you don’t shell out for the gems to get your own custom games, you gotta put up with other people interrupting your 1v1s.

In custom pvp, you are limited only to the sPvP maps, where as in the open world you would get the crazy variety of awesome environments.

You can also kill each other pretty easily in sPvP, which forced you to have to sit through a respawn. Open world duels are a battle to 1 hp then it ends.

You cannot use your standard, PvE/WvW toon in sPvP, you don’t get all of your abilities, and you don’t get to use food. You also don’t get all of the same gear.

It’s not nearly as accessible as open world duels. You have to port to a different area. This is a big difference if you are just killing time before a dungeon/world event and you want to have a little spar in front of the instance portal. It would also bump you out of the whatever part of the megaserver you are on if you have to rejoin the area.

and, personally, i liked passing by the gates of ironforge in WoW, to stop and watch the people that would duel out there for a little bit. I wasn’t invested enough to port to another zone just to see it, but to be able to watch for a little bit as i was passing through was just another nice little touch that made WoW the success it is.

Arenas now cost gold.
Racial abilities and WVW tools could cause balance issues that would make dueling “who is better geared” vs. “who is more skilled.”. (more than there already are, ofc.) Case in point? Perplexity Runes. Eternity.
There is no skill cap for PVP. Even level 2 players can succeed in SoloQ if they are skilled enough. Of course, duels with the allowances of wvw gear would scare these new players off.
Dueling to pvp is to down, not to death. Once opponent is downed, you back off and let them [bandage].
Point taken on the -kill time before a world boss event-. But that is a matter of convenience as opposed to one of utility.
Point taken on the maps, but there are quite a lot of them if your only aim is to duel.

Thanks for the rebuttal, Azure. I appreciate you being respectful in discussion

Arena’s already cost a ton of gold -_- or gems. My point is, it’s prohibitively expensive. I shouldn’t have to spend that much to duel a buddy.

Duels are for fun. Balance issues are irrelevant. If you don’t want to duel someone who is going to completely counter you or outright stomp you….then dont! That is what the decline option is for.

Skill cap – when i first bought this game, i entered sPvP and had absolutely no idea what was going on. I had no idea what i needed to build, much less the significance of the full trait points i had available to allocate. Having immediate access to a lvl 80 is great when you understand what to do with a lvl 80, but for anyone else, you are starting off way in the back of the learning curve.
Open world duels would fill the gap for leveling players, so when they do finally enter spvp they wont get completely wrecked. It would give you the ability to mess around with different traits and builds as you are leveling up so you get some experience with them in a pvp environment, as opposed to only using them in a PvE context.
TL;DR open duels lets you practice in an inconsequential context, where you wont bother other people that may actually care about pvp.

The respawn is a signifcant difference between sPvP and open world duels. It may be unlikely, but only in sPvP would there be a potential to be inconvenienced by respawns. It’s not a strong point but he asked for differences, not differences that are only tangible to people that don’t participate in duels anyway.

Bread.7516:

What exactly can you not do in custom arena compared to open world dueling?

Don’t worry guys i got this one!

If you don’t shell out for the gems to get your own custom games, you gotta put up with other people interrupting your 1v1s.

In custom pvp, you are limited only to the sPvP maps, where as in the open world you would get the crazy variety of awesome environments.

You can also kill each other pretty easily in sPvP, which forced you to have to sit through a respawn. Open world duels are a battle to 1 hp then it ends.

You cannot use your standard, PvE/WvW toon in sPvP, you don’t get all of your abilities, and you don’t get to use food. You also don’t get all of the same gear.

It’s not nearly as accessible as open world duels. You have to port to a different area. This is a big difference if you are just killing time before a dungeon/world event and you want to have a little spar in front of the instance portal. It would also bump you out of the whatever part of the megaserver you are on if you have to rejoin the area.

in sPvP you must play a lvl 80 with everything unlocked. For a new player this is overwhelming. Having the ability to test your limited skill set as you are leveling, against peers via open world duels is huge, IMO. In definitely lowers the barrier to entry for PvP, making it more accessible and easier to digest. The lack of this may contribute the animosity we see between the PvE and PvP crowds.

and, personally, i liked passing by the gates of ironforge in WoW, to stop and watch the people that would duel out there for a little bit. I wasn’t invested enough to port to another zone just to see it, but to be able to watch for a little bit as i was passing through was just another nice little touch that made WoW the success it is.

Taygus.4571:

Scrambles.2604:

If you decline a duel and the player persists “cmon man are you scared?,” this is not dueling, this is harassment. If you have experienced this, or have a problem with this, your issue isn’t with dueling, you issue is with harassment.

The problem is, these 2 things are often connected, I know people who avoid games with open world dueling like the plague, simply because they’ve been harassed over it too many times.

It is easier for anet to just avoid this all together, and create a new duelling map/pvp arena, where people can have an armour/food buff advantage.
But anet should place in big letters on loading into this screen.

“this mode of PVP is NOT balanced, calls to balance it will not be adhered to.”

because you just know, the minute anet adds something like this, people will complain about the OP class and “x” food buff.

Though perhaps a copy of a pve map, turned into pvp Would be nice.
For example a new mist section. (give it a max of idk 70players map fill…then new map opens up….but all players are “enemies”)
They could even randomise the pve map per week, and in the WvW section, where youchoose borderland/eotm etc, have a “PVE mists” …and that will be a random pve map, where people who enter can pvp.

Whether this mode will allow for ganking or just people who accept duels, would be up to anet, but I this might just solve the pvp openworld issue? It’s an “openworld” map, without being in pve.

fair enough. I guess its completely reasonable to assume that dueling brings out the trolls.

I mean, i guess if i was using duels properly, i would never bother you. I would duel my friends, respectfully accept duel declines from strangers, duel away from events or anywhere i could bother people. It’s like i didn’t even exist.

So maybe, in the context of duels, you seem to associate duels and trolls, because you are completely oblivious to the far greater percentage of people that use duels properly. It’s like you get the worst possible, most extreme examples of duel harassment, and treat those as the rule rather than the exception. All while ignoring tools (report/ignore/auto decline) that would be implemented to mitigate issues caused by the people your worried about.

I will try to remain reasonable, but please step back and look from a different perspective.

Not many people are really against dueling. They are against toxicity, player harassment, and generally being bothered. This is completely reasonable, and i would totally include myself in this camp.

An open world duel happens when someone sends you a request to duel, and you either accept or decline. That is where the open world duel starts and ends.

Anything that happens beyond this has officially left the purview of open world duels and is classified as “harassment.”

If you decline a duel and the player persists “cmon man are you scared?,” this is not dueling, this is harassment. If you have experienced this, or have a problem with this, your issue isn’t with dueling, you issue is with harassment.

Azure The Heartless.3261:

Scrambles.2604:

Vayne.8563:

pigdog.9215:

Vayne.8563:

pigdog.9215:

@ Vayne: Im sorry but if you READ what i said, i did specifically say duel and not “battle to the death”. If you’ve ever played WoW when you duel no one dies, they just get down to 1hp and the duel is over, there is no killing lol. Most of the guild wars 2 community is pretty nice. The chances of 2 people dueling that screws your event over and not helping but laughing at you is so small that its not even worth mentioning. Please if you don’t want dueling give a good reason why, hardly anyone is out to laugh at you because you asked for help.

I’ve been to PvP…I’ve seen some of the community there. Most of the PvE community is nice. I suspect it’ll lower that tone of dueling is introduced.

This mentality is why guild wars 2 PvP will never be a big e-sport like WoW or other MMORPGS. It makes no sense to remove a function from the game because people might be sour and be rude, if anyone is rude just mute them or report. Ive been to OS (dueling capital ) a lot and most people there arent rude, so how about you stop assuming the PvP community is toxic because of your bad experiences.

Not implementing something is completely different than removing it. They didn’t implement it. There are places for people to beat each other senseless. Let there be more place. But I don’t really want to be involved in it or deal with the consequences where I play.

And you know, I could be wrong. Maybe everyone who duels is lovely and wonderful and happy and smiling. But you know, I’d rather not take that chance.

You have to plan for the worse. Other games (cough wildstar) have solved these problems. Implement proper reporting/blocking tools, give players the power to block duel requests entirely, and, if it’s still THAT big an issue, create a cooldown on the amount of duel requests you can submit for a period of time.

Or the GW2 solution, bury your head in the sand and scream “No duels! They will ruin our pristine, non-toxic environment, where you get berated in map chat for not knowing events, booted from dungeons from being the wrong class, and called out in game for playing bad while using legendaries—-yes dueling would ruin this game!”

More like “If you want to duel, press a button and/or join a room.”

Duels already exist. You just can’t show them to people trying to PVE. If they want to see, they can easily spectate you.

Just because toxic players already exist does not mean it would be okay to add more.

custom sPvP sucks! It’s a great solution for someone who has no interest in dueling, but if you actually try it, it is a poor substitute.

I want to duel with my WvW build (food included), against my guildies and friends on my server. Not in OS and not in custom sPvP.

Vayne.8563:

Scrambles.2604:

Vayne.8563:

pigdog.9215:

Vayne.8563:

pigdog.9215:

@ Vayne: Im sorry but if you READ what i said, i did specifically say duel and not “battle to the death”. If you’ve ever played WoW when you duel no one dies, they just get down to 1hp and the duel is over, there is no killing lol. Most of the guild wars 2 community is pretty nice. The chances of 2 people dueling that screws your event over and not helping but laughing at you is so small that its not even worth mentioning. Please if you don’t want dueling give a good reason why, hardly anyone is out to laugh at you because you asked for help.

I’ve been to PvP…I’ve seen some of the community there. Most of the PvE community is nice. I suspect it’ll lower that tone of dueling is introduced.

This mentality is why guild wars 2 PvP will never be a big e-sport like WoW or other MMORPGS. It makes no sense to remove a function from the game because people might be sour and be rude, if anyone is rude just mute them or report. Ive been to OS (dueling capital ) a lot and most people there arent rude, so how about you stop assuming the PvP community is toxic because of your bad experiences.

Not implementing something is completely different than removing it. They didn’t implement it. There are places for people to beat each other senseless. Let there be more place. But I don’t really want to be involved in it or deal with the consequences where I play.

And you know, I could be wrong. Maybe everyone who duels is lovely and wonderful and happy and smiling. But you know, I’d rather not take that chance.

You have to plan for the worse. Other games (cough wildstar) have solved these problems. Implement proper reporting/blocking tools, give players the power to block duel requests entirely, and, if it’s still THAT big an issue, create a cooldown on the amount of duel requests you can submit for a period of time.

Or the GW2 solution, bury your head in the sand and scream “No duels! They will ruin our pristine, non-toxic environment, where you get berated in map chat for not knowing events, booted from dungeons from being the wrong class, and called out in game for playing bad while using legendaries—-yes dueling would ruin this game!”

I like the Guild Wars 2 solution, thanks. lol

haha, well you are in good company Anet has been maintaining a similar strategy.

Vayne.8563:

pigdog.9215:

Vayne.8563:

pigdog.9215:

@ Vayne: Im sorry but if you READ what i said, i did specifically say duel and not “battle to the death”. If you’ve ever played WoW when you duel no one dies, they just get down to 1hp and the duel is over, there is no killing lol. Most of the guild wars 2 community is pretty nice. The chances of 2 people dueling that screws your event over and not helping but laughing at you is so small that its not even worth mentioning. Please if you don’t want dueling give a good reason why, hardly anyone is out to laugh at you because you asked for help.

I’ve been to PvP…I’ve seen some of the community there. Most of the PvE community is nice. I suspect it’ll lower that tone of dueling is introduced.

This mentality is why guild wars 2 PvP will never be a big e-sport like WoW or other MMORPGS. It makes no sense to remove a function from the game because people might be sour and be rude, if anyone is rude just mute them or report. Ive been to OS (dueling capital ) a lot and most people there arent rude, so how about you stop assuming the PvP community is toxic because of your bad experiences.

Not implementing something is completely different than removing it. They didn’t implement it. There are places for people to beat each other senseless. Let there be more place. But I don’t really want to be involved in it or deal with the consequences where I play.

And you know, I could be wrong. Maybe everyone who duels is lovely and wonderful and happy and smiling. But you know, I’d rather not take that chance.

You have to plan for the worse. Other games (cough wildstar) have solved these problems. Implement proper reporting/blocking tools, give players the power to block duel requests entirely, and, if it’s still THAT big an issue, create a cooldown on the amount of duel requests you can submit for a period of time.

Or the GW2 solution, bury your head in the sand and scream “No duels! They will ruin our pristine, non-toxic environment, where you get berated in map chat for not knowing events, booted from dungeons from being the wrong class, and called out in game for playing bad while using legendaries—-yes dueling would ruin this game!”

Scrambles.2604:

I will indulge your oddly specific, fantasy situation.

“excuse me guys, could you duel away from this event, please? Thanks! I appreciate you moving away so i could finish this event! Wait? Are you serious? You guys will stop dueling to help me with the event? That is so generous! …Wah? A new peice of mail? You guys ALSO sent me 100g!? You guys rock! I was wrong about dueling all along!”

Azure The Heartless.3261:

Is paid
“I was wrong about dueling”

haha, i may have gotten a little carried away

But if everyone else is going to assume that duelers are rude and out to get people, then i should be able to assume that duelers are nice, if not nicer than the rest of the community. We have no evidence or reason to assume either way.

I don’t know where this stereotype came from—for some reason, liking competitive pvp makes you a jerk. Then it’s like, just because you do cooperative PvE, everyone assumes you’re nice and helpful…are you kidding me? They had to get rid of the PvE trains because of the vitriol that came from them.

We have these ridiculous, preconceived notions about player behavior based on the type of game they participate in…which are almost entirely incorrect yet repeated over and over again in these duel arguments as if it just goes without saying.

Vayne.8563:

Scrambles.2604:

Vayne.8563:

pigdog.9215:

Vayne.8563:

pigdog.9215:

Vayne.8563:

pigdog.9215:

Vayne.8563:

pigdog.9215:

Dusty Moon.4382:

Slcrisis.6930:

+1 for dueling as always. wishful thinking though, I highly doubt they’ll implement it.

Again for the people who don’t want to duel, put in an option to ignore requests, simples. Doesn’t mean it should be cut out of the game completely just because some people would rather not duel their friends. That’s just silly.

Dueling is PvP and A.Net said their system design for the PvE side WAS NOT DESIGNED for any type of PvP.

That is why there are arenas in the sPvP area.

That isnt going to stop people from asking for it, arena net should just implement dueling in so people stop asking for it. Just because some people are scared that someone will laugh at their poor dueling performance it doesnt mean people don’t want it lol.

Nope Anet shouldn’t add things just because people ask for it. They should only add if it if it fits their vision for the game. My guess is that it doesn’t.

Then i guess their vision of the game doesnt include a large PVP scene l0l

It includes, like Guild Wars 1, a scene where PvP and PvE are separate entities that don’t really interact with each other. There was very little interaction between PvP and PvE in Guild Wars 1 and that was often considered a PvP-centric game.

That doesnt change the fact that dueling helps improve a pvp community, if you can go to an area where people randomly duel and you watch it’s interesting. They should have added a system where there is an area in the mists where you can duel instead of making it all instanced. Guild wars 2 is no way a PvP-centric game tho? Also guild wars 1 was no where near as pvp centric as WoW and look at how big WoW’s pvp scene is still now compared to gw1s.

So let them have arenas for dueling away from the open world. I never had a problem with that.

Like i said an area where people are dueling each other creates competitiveness, People will not randomly stumble upon people dueling and watch if its in a closed off area. Im just saying Guild wars 2 will never be competitive in the PvP scene if they arent creating an atmosphere where people can enjoy being competitive. If 2 people duel in a forrest who else knows besides them? no one, but if they duel outside a city everyone who goes past can watch the entertainment. Like i said just look at how popular WoW’s PvP is, it wouldn’t be that popular if they didn’t give players opportunities to be competitive ( dueling ).

So people can just start dueling in the middle of an event they’re not participating in and scale it up, making it harder for a person to do because they want to duel there? I don’t think that’s a good idea.

Two people wont effect a group event so significantly that it is the difference between win or loss. If two extra people not participating causes an event to fail, it was failed already. There are AFKers at every event already.

You gotta do better than that, Vayne

There aren’t AFKers at every event, unless you happen to be talking about meta events…but I’m not. Some of us actually play in the open world. Sometimes I come across an event and I’m the only one there.

Sometimes that event involves, say, protecting buildings from attacking enemies. It’s hard enough solo, running back and forth with the number of people who spawn. If two people were dueling there (or AFK there for that matter), the number of enemies would at least double. There’s no way in hell I could cope with that situation. There are many events I could think of that that would be a problem with.

I will indulge your oddly specific, fantasy situation.

“excuse me guys, could you duel away from this event, please? Thanks! I appreciate you moving away so i could finish this event! Wait? Are you serious? You guys will stop dueling to help me with the event? That is so generous! …Wah? A new peice of mail? You guys ALSO sent me 100g!? You guys rock! I was wrong about dueling all along!”

Vayne.8563:

pigdog.9215:

Vayne.8563:

pigdog.9215:

Vayne.8563:

pigdog.9215:

Vayne.8563:

pigdog.9215:

Dusty Moon.4382:

Slcrisis.6930:

+1 for dueling as always. wishful thinking though, I highly doubt they’ll implement it.

Again for the people who don’t want to duel, put in an option to ignore requests, simples. Doesn’t mean it should be cut out of the game completely just because some people would rather not duel their friends. That’s just silly.

Dueling is PvP and A.Net said their system design for the PvE side WAS NOT DESIGNED for any type of PvP.

That is why there are arenas in the sPvP area.

That isnt going to stop people from asking for it, arena net should just implement dueling in so people stop asking for it. Just because some people are scared that someone will laugh at their poor dueling performance it doesnt mean people don’t want it lol.

Nope Anet shouldn’t add things just because people ask for it. They should only add if it if it fits their vision for the game. My guess is that it doesn’t.

Then i guess their vision of the game doesnt include a large PVP scene l0l

It includes, like Guild Wars 1, a scene where PvP and PvE are separate entities that don’t really interact with each other. There was very little interaction between PvP and PvE in Guild Wars 1 and that was often considered a PvP-centric game.

That doesnt change the fact that dueling helps improve a pvp community, if you can go to an area where people randomly duel and you watch it’s interesting. They should have added a system where there is an area in the mists where you can duel instead of making it all instanced. Guild wars 2 is no way a PvP-centric game tho? Also guild wars 1 was no where near as pvp centric as WoW and look at how big WoW’s pvp scene is still now compared to gw1s.

So let them have arenas for dueling away from the open world. I never had a problem with that.

Like i said an area where people are dueling each other creates competitiveness, People will not randomly stumble upon people dueling and watch if its in a closed off area. Im just saying Guild wars 2 will never be competitive in the PvP scene if they arent creating an atmosphere where people can enjoy being competitive. If 2 people duel in a forrest who else knows besides them? no one, but if they duel outside a city everyone who goes past can watch the entertainment. Like i said just look at how popular WoW’s PvP is, it wouldn’t be that popular if they didn’t give players opportunities to be competitive ( dueling ).

So people can just start dueling in the middle of an event they’re not participating in and scale it up, making it harder for a person to do because they want to duel there? I don’t think that’s a good idea.

Two people wont effect a group event so significantly that it is the difference between win or loss. If two extra people not participating causes an event to fail, it was failed already. There are AFKers at every event already.

You gotta do better than that, Vayne

Vayne.8563:

Scrambles.2604:

Vayne.8563:

pigdog.9215:

Dusty Moon.4382:

Slcrisis.6930:

+1 for dueling as always. wishful thinking though, I highly doubt they’ll implement it.

Again for the people who don’t want to duel, put in an option to ignore requests, simples. Doesn’t mean it should be cut out of the game completely just because some people would rather not duel their friends. That’s just silly.

Dueling is PvP and A.Net said their system design for the PvE side WAS NOT DESIGNED for any type of PvP.

That is why there are arenas in the sPvP area.

That isnt going to stop people from asking for it, arena net should just implement dueling in so people stop asking for it. Just because some people are scared that someone will laugh at their poor dueling performance it doesnt mean people don’t want it lol.

Nope Anet shouldn’t add things just because people ask for it. They should only add if it if it fits their vision for the game. My guess is that it doesn’t.

A long time ago, Colin Johanson said in an interview they would like add open world dueling in the game at some point. Realistically, this will never happen, most likely for reasons outside of Anet’s control (aka doesn’t fit nicely in the gem store).

I don’t expect duels, even though i think it would be awesome, but it is incorrect to say it is not part of “Anet’s vision.” Given the time, resources, money, i’m sure they would love to put it in, but it doesn’t look like it will ever be part of the current model of shallow feature packs, LS updates, and gem store additions.

I’m not sure that’s correct, even though I remember that interview. Lots of things are said in interviews, because they’re off the cuff. Later, on deeper thought, seeing the response to them, they might think differently.

Surely since then I’ve not seen Anet mention dueling even once.

i can post the link to the interview if you want

They definitely haven’t mentioned it since then, and like i said, if you had to predict, just based on the current direction of the game and what HAS been added, i would say there is no chance of adding duels.

But the only evidence we have seen specifically regarding duels has been from that interview, in which he said he would like to add open world dueling, and also that dueling via custom spvp is an awkward work-around.

This shows me that open world duels isn’t a matter of “we can’t add this because it will increase the level of toxicity in the game” but more so “we can’t add it because it’s not in line without current model for game development and wont line up with our quarterly revenue goals.”

So i don’t think they will add it, but not for the silly reasons that are constantly parroted across the forums.

Vayne.8563:

pigdog.9215:

Dusty Moon.4382:

Slcrisis.6930:

+1 for dueling as always. wishful thinking though, I highly doubt they’ll implement it.

Again for the people who don’t want to duel, put in an option to ignore requests, simples. Doesn’t mean it should be cut out of the game completely just because some people would rather not duel their friends. That’s just silly.

Dueling is PvP and A.Net said their system design for the PvE side WAS NOT DESIGNED for any type of PvP.

That is why there are arenas in the sPvP area.

That isnt going to stop people from asking for it, arena net should just implement dueling in so people stop asking for it. Just because some people are scared that someone will laugh at their poor dueling performance it doesnt mean people don’t want it lol.

Nope Anet shouldn’t add things just because people ask for it. They should only add if it if it fits their vision for the game. My guess is that it doesn’t.

A long time ago, Colin Johanson said in an interview they would like add open world dueling in the game at some point. Realistically, this will never happen, most likely for reasons outside of Anet’s control (aka doesn’t fit nicely in the gem store).

I don’t expect duels, even though i think it would be awesome, but it is incorrect to say it is not part of “Anet’s vision.” Given the time, resources, money, i’m sure they would love to put it in, but it doesn’t look like it will ever be part of the current model of shallow feature packs, LS updates, and gem store additions.

Kraag Deadsoul.2789:

Scrambles.2604:

If it wasn’t for Anet’s history of almost getting feature changes correct, i would bet on this being a PR move to generate controversy and publicity for the new feature patch.

Rarely does this community find itself primarily on the same side of an issue, so something must be afoot. WvW has lost a lot of players (at least from my perspective as a WvW player), and colored tags is a big change to improve and enhance WvW.

In order to get the word out to bring players back to WvW, Anet implements a controversial change to generate buzz and reach out to old GW2 players that may not follow the game closely, but would likely hear about what is regarded in the community as a big mistake.

I would imagine changing the colored tags to be more accessible would be a relatively easy change, so they set themselves up to be in a position of “OK you guys are right! We are changing the tags, because we are listening and we are here for you!”
Tl;dr – the change is a sloppy misstep or a calculated PR move. I’ll be selling tinfoil hats for 300g. If you want a different colored tinfoil hat it will be an additional 300g.

If true, it’s still a fail. Why risk generating all this bad blood with the cloak-and-dagger, horribly miscalculated, minsinformation, bait-and-switch campaign when they could just take the path of least resistance?

Namely, just give us exactly what we asked for without piling any additional feces on top of it: all commander tags now have the ability to change color on the fly. No additional costs, no having to pay for each additional color, nada, nothing, zilch, zero, zip. Period.

It’s not a fail, though. They have no subscribers to lose. If it’s an easy fix, like i assume it is, then they’ll fix it and still come out on top. “We have listened to the community and fixed this because we love you.”

That being said, controversy is the best publicity generator. I haven’t posted on here in months, yet this ridiculous change brought me back to the boards. It’s a terrible change, but it definitely grabbed my attention at least. I know more about the feature patch now because i have been reading up on this one backasswards change. If it wasn’t for the controversy i probably would have just passed over the description of the feature patch.

I’ll admit it’s farfetched and i’m still offering those tinfoil hats in various colors. They say not to attribute malice to that which can be explained by negligence. But marketing is a fickle beast that can never be trusted.

bump for support. If it wasn’t for Anet’s history of almost getting feature changes correct, i would bet on this being a PR move to generate controversy and publicity for the new feature patch.

Rarely does this community find itself primarily on the same side of an issue, so something must be afoot. WvW has lost a lot of players (at least from my perspective as a WvW player), and colored tags is a big change to improve and enhance WvW.

In order to get the word out to bring players back to WvW, Anet implements a controversial change to generate buzz and reach out to old GW2 players that may not follow the game closely, but would likely hear about what is regarded in the community as a big mistake.

I would imagine changing the colored tags to be more accessible would be a relatively easy change, so they set themselves up to be in a position of “OK you guys are right! We are changing the tags, because we are listening and we are here for you!”

Tl;dr – the change is a sloppy misstep or a calculated PR move. I’ll be selling tinfoil hats for 300g. If you want a different colored tinfoil hat it will be an additional 300g.

sorudo.9054:

Phadde.7362:

To those against duels in GW2:

What is your strong arguments against dueling, which cannot be solved in a satisfying way?

The truth is that there are a lot of people that really want duels to be in the game, and it would bring a lot of positives with it. That, no one can deny.
So, your arguments?

i have a better idea, what’s your strong argument to add duels in an area where PvP doesn’t belong, just give a strong good reason beyond “but it’s in every other MMO” or “i want duels”.

Dueling outside of custom sPvP arenas lets you use your WvW char (which is most peoples main char/build/spec/etc). You can still “duel” in WvW but you are limited to people on opposing servers, instead of the people you want to duel most, like guildies and friends on your server. At the same time, you are subject to others interrupting your duel, a problem also faced by people who want to duel in sPvP but can’t afford a custom arena.

That’s one strong, simple argument— The current model only lets you 1v1 against people of your choosing on your sPvP character, which is not the main character most people play on. Open world duels would give you the option and the accessibility to duel who you want on your main (PvE/WvW) character.

Sorudo, you’ve been engaged in at least the last 3 big duel threads, and i am simply baffled that you haven’t been able to grasp any of these arguments. I honestly don’t believe you are actually reading or attempting to comprehend most of the posts in this or other threads. The same arguments have been repeated over and over until one person aggregates them all into one post. Then they get argued again and repeated over and over.

pdavis.8031:

Arguments against dueling?

“Becasue its fun, and is a good way to train/pass time” is also a major pro argument for having open world dueling. But I would contend that just as many people find NOT dueling to be just as fun.

>_>

clears throat again The ability to request a duel in the open world is just a lifeless, purposeless, intentness tool. It is only toxic players that create a toxic environment.

Aline Castro.9820:

Could someone please care to explain me why is it that you want duels? In all games that I’ve played that had this feature, it was used primarily to prove superiority. I have never witnessed a “friendly” duel. So, is it solely for superiority? Or why do you want it so bad?

i want duels because i was bullied a lot as a kid and it gives me an outlet to let out my rage against opponents that severely underleveled compared to me.

no, i’m just kidding. Seriously though, it’s fun—it’s good practice on your WvW toon—you can do it with your guildies (again on your WvW toon)—you can battle in the awesome open world environment (like on cliffs and stuff)—it’s great for killing time (like when your waiting for a world event or dungeon member to show up).

It’s really limited by your imagination. Not exclusive to showing off you proving superiority. sPvP is probably a better place to do that.

pdavis.8031:

I agree, it appears that he doesn’t automatically jump to the extreme conclusions about trolls/griefers/etc. but you can be sure that in their considerations of such things, those ARE taken into account.

yeah they take those things into account and then dismiss them because many MMOs have already solved the issue by implementing — report/block/ignore/auto-decline/opt-in dueling/etc.

Instead, on these boards we see troll mitigation tools outright ignored in order to keep parroting these claims that dueling would totally ruin the pristine open world and toxify the totally positive GW2 community.

Im Mudbone.1437:

Scrambles.2604:

Im Mudbone.1437:

Scrambles.2604:

Im Mudbone.1437:

Bolthar.7192:

Yes PLEASE! They said they would add this when the game first game out and now it’s almost 2 years old. People have been asking for it over and over and over again. SURELY Anet is working on this. I think having duels will help Anet to see imbalances in professions easier and strengthen PvP in the game, not that it’s weak. It will also help newer players to GW2 PvP to get into it. Just PLEASE have an auto decline option for those that don’t like to duel or dont want to be bothered by trolls. And be able to block specific individuals from challenging you.

Where did you pull this imaginary BS from, “they” NEVER said they would add dueling to this game.

Colin Johanson actually said in an interview that they would like to add open world duels at some point. You’re right they never said they would add it, but he certainly said they would like to. At least you can add him to the pro-dueling camp, since i guess we’re taking sides now, lol.

skip to 14:11 if the video doesn’t do that automatically.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jy7CcwnfUdU

BIG DIFFERENCE between would like to add and would add open world dueling as the person I quoted said.

haha thanks for telling me, again, what i said you were right about in my post.

Haha, thanks for skirting around the OBVIOUS POINTS.

i’ve already said you were right and they probably wont add dueling in game. What more do you want from me!?

pdavis.8031:

Scrambles.2604:

Im Mudbone.1437:

Bolthar.7192:

Yes PLEASE! They said they would add this when the game first game out and now it’s almost 2 years old. People have been asking for it over and over and over again. SURELY Anet is working on this. I think having duels will help Anet to see imbalances in professions easier and strengthen PvP in the game, not that it’s weak. It will also help newer players to GW2 PvP to get into it. Just PLEASE have an auto decline option for those that don’t like to duel or dont want to be bothered by trolls. And be able to block specific individuals from challenging you.

Where did you pull this imaginary BS from, “they” NEVER said they would add dueling to this game.

Colin Johanson actually said in an interview that they would like to add open world duels at some point. You’re right they never said they would add it, but he certainly said they would like to. At least you can add him to the pro-dueling camp, since i guess we’re taking sides now, lol.

skip to 14:11 if the video doesn’t do that automatically.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jy7CcwnfUdU

Yes, but they said they would like to add a number of things that will probably never get put into the game. But I’ve noticed they say that about EVERYTHING. multiclassing? would like to. Player/guild housing? It’s not off the table. Precurser crafting? Not off the table. The ability to fly? Would like to, it’s not off the table. Legendary armor? Would like to. It’s not off the table. Remove gold from the game as a form of currency? Would like to. It’s not off the table (Although John Smith might show up and tell you you are stupid). Expansion? Would like to. It’s not off the table.

This is pretty much their standard answer to everything. I have yet to see them straight up say “no” to any of the ideas presented on the forums, or in interviews. Although I could be wrong about that, as I haven’t watched/read them all. But that doesn’t mean that we will ever see them implemented. It’s like your parents when you were younger. If you wanted something, the general response was “We’ll see” (at least in my home). It didn’t rule out the possiblity, but after while you came to realize that “we’ll see” generally means no.

You can extrapolate all you want. I’m just glad Colin doesn’t automatically associate open world duels with trolling/harassment/griefing, like a reasonable person.

Im Mudbone.1437:

Scrambles.2604:

Im Mudbone.1437:

Bolthar.7192:

Yes PLEASE! They said they would add this when the game first game out and now it’s almost 2 years old. People have been asking for it over and over and over again. SURELY Anet is working on this. I think having duels will help Anet to see imbalances in professions easier and strengthen PvP in the game, not that it’s weak. It will also help newer players to GW2 PvP to get into it. Just PLEASE have an auto decline option for those that don’t like to duel or dont want to be bothered by trolls. And be able to block specific individuals from challenging you.

Where did you pull this imaginary BS from, “they” NEVER said they would add dueling to this game.

Colin Johanson actually said in an interview that they would like to add open world duels at some point. You’re right they never said they would add it, but he certainly said they would like to. At least you can add him to the pro-dueling camp, since i guess we’re taking sides now, lol.

skip to 14:11 if the video doesn’t do that automatically.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jy7CcwnfUdU

BIG DIFFERENCE between would like to add and would add open world dueling as the person I quoted said.

haha thanks for telling me, again, what i said you were right about in my post.

Torsailr.8456:

Scrambles.2604:

i dont think that’s the reason we’re not getting duels, but it is disheartening that so many people buy and perpetuate the “duels = harassment/ego stroking/12 year old duel spammer” claims.

It’s been about a month in wildstar for me and i still haven’t gotten a single duel request. It’s a great feature but the claims on these boards about inevitable and widespread harassment, or dueling only being a tool used to bother others are outlandish. I realize i’m only one person, not the best sample size, but going into it based on what i read on these boards i expected to have been called a coward for refusing a duel request at least once by now.

The fact that in pvp people get death threats, told to die for sucking so much or that they should be ashamed for living proves you wrong. I dont want this anywhere near pve and I would leave if it were implemented.

bias much? that same stuff happens in PvE, too.

I said it before and i’ll say it again. Toxic players create a toxic environment. Dueling is just another thing to do in game. Just like champ trains, speed run dungeons, world events, etc, toxic players can effect your gameplay, but apparently at a tolerable level because you still play GW2.

At least with a reasonable implementation of open world duels, you would get tools to combat the toxic players. You can report/ignore players currently, but at least with duels you could have the option to turn off requests entirely. Can’t say that about any other aspect of the game that is effected by toxic players.

You cant make a toxic player leave a world event, but you could auto-decline his duel invite. You can’t make a toxic player not kick you from a group for wearing soldier gear, but you could still auto-decline is duel invite.

Im Mudbone.1437:

Bolthar.7192:

Yes PLEASE! They said they would add this when the game first game out and now it’s almost 2 years old. People have been asking for it over and over and over again. SURELY Anet is working on this. I think having duels will help Anet to see imbalances in professions easier and strengthen PvP in the game, not that it’s weak. It will also help newer players to GW2 PvP to get into it. Just PLEASE have an auto decline option for those that don’t like to duel or dont want to be bothered by trolls. And be able to block specific individuals from challenging you.

Where did you pull this imaginary BS from, “they” NEVER said they would add dueling to this game.

Colin Johanson actually said in an interview that they would like to add open world duels at some point. You’re right they never said they would add it, but he certainly said they would like to. At least you can add him to the pro-dueling camp, since i guess we’re taking sides now, lol.

skip to 14:11 if the video doesn’t do that automatically.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jy7CcwnfUdU

Calys Teneb.7015:

Scrambles.2604:

saalle.4623:

Scrambles.2604:

calyx.9086:

saalle.4623:

Inculpatus cedo.9234:

The reason you can see more pro-dueling threads is that those anti-dueling don’t create threads. If everyone who was against Open-World dueling created a thread, I don’t think your premise would hold much weight.

People don’t create threads much asking for features that are already in the game. Lol.

No to dueling for all the reasons expressed in all the previous threads.

I didn’t saw any reasonable reason so why you dont tell me 1? All the reasons i saw were " It doesn’t go well with the story" – duh?, “im lazy to click on block duel button”.Whats your story?amuse me pls.

My reason for not wanting duels is so I can watch people like you QQ in the forums.

GW2 certainly has the best community.

I know right.That is the reason we are not getting duels :/

i dont think that’s the reason we’re not getting duels, but it is disheartening that so many people buy and perpetuate the “duels = harassment/ego stroking/12 year old duel spammer” claims.

It’s been about a month in wildstar for me and i still haven’t gotten a single duel request. It’s a great feature but the claims on these boards about inevitable and widespread harassment, or dueling only being a tool used to bother others are outlandish. I realize i’m only one person, not the best sample size, but going into it based on what i read on these boards i expected to have been called a coward for refusing a duel request at least once by now.

Meanwhile I get at least five an hour any time I’m in a city or quest hub.

in wildstar? Are you sure you’re not confusing gold spam with duel requests? (j/k)

has it created an issue for you? have you taken advantage of auto-decline?

pdavis.8031:

Hitman.5829:

Come one Anet hundreds of people have asked for duels. When is it enough? We want duels! we want to test our skills with the best players out there. 1 vs 1 in WvW is not even and not secure as anyone can come and disrupt the fight.

We want duels, we want duels!

Not everyone is one the same page as you. In every duel thread, the majority of people are saying no. Also in many of those same threads, its generally a small group of people who keep re-iterating how anti-duelers are wrong, and duels need to be brought in because “Other games have them”, and “It doesn’t hurt anyone”. Yet have been shown again and again that open world dueling tends to create a toxic environment.

I don’t think it’s been shown ever that open world dueling creates a toxic environment. Toxic players create a toxic environment. – source – GW2

saalle.4623:

Scrambles.2604:

calyx.9086:

saalle.4623:

Inculpatus cedo.9234:

The reason you can see more pro-dueling threads is that those anti-dueling don’t create threads. If everyone who was against Open-World dueling created a thread, I don’t think your premise would hold much weight.

People don’t create threads much asking for features that are already in the game. Lol.

No to dueling for all the reasons expressed in all the previous threads.

I didn’t saw any reasonable reason so why you dont tell me 1? All the reasons i saw were " It doesn’t go well with the story" – duh?, “im lazy to click on block duel button”.Whats your story?amuse me pls.

My reason for not wanting duels is so I can watch people like you QQ in the forums.

GW2 certainly has the best community.

I know right.That is the reason we are not getting duels :/

i dont think that’s the reason we’re not getting duels, but it is disheartening that so many people buy and perpetuate the “duels = harassment/ego stroking/12 year old duel spammer” claims.

It’s been about a month in wildstar for me and i still haven’t gotten a single duel request. It’s a great feature but the claims on these boards about inevitable and widespread harassment, or dueling only being a tool used to bother others are outlandish. I realize i’m only one person, not the best sample size, but going into it based on what i read on these boards i expected to have been called a coward for refusing a duel request at least once by now.

calyx.9086:

saalle.4623:

Inculpatus cedo.9234:

The reason you can see more pro-dueling threads is that those anti-dueling don’t create threads. If everyone who was against Open-World dueling created a thread, I don’t think your premise would hold much weight.

People don’t create threads much asking for features that are already in the game. Lol.

No to dueling for all the reasons expressed in all the previous threads.

I didn’t saw any reasonable reason so why you dont tell me 1? All the reasons i saw were " It doesn’t go well with the story" – duh?, “im lazy to click on block duel button”.Whats your story?amuse me pls.

My reason for not wanting duels is so I can watch people like you QQ in the forums.

GW2 certainly has the best community.

the megaservers were pretty radical. I never have to quest alone now, but also i cant do a world boss without +100 other people.

I also think the new telegraphs they’ve been using for newer bosses are a pretty significant change. I dunno if the wildstar-esque bright orange spots on the ground are the best decision, but it makes discerning when and what to dodge much easier.

As more and more MMOs are released featuring the ability to duel in the open world, we witness a rise in global warming. This can only mean one thing: Dueling creates more global warming.

Say no to duels —stop global warming--save the world.

Also buy gems.

Cody Crichton.7516:

Enabling the tempo lock on your lute quantizes all of your lute chords to a global 120bpm tempo. This allows you to not only play in-time with yourself, but also to play in time with other tempo-locked lute players’ chords as well as people playing the Musical Frame Drum.

Unlocking your tempo allows you to play your chords freely, outside of the global tempo, similarly to how the individual lute notes are played.

Any plans to add the ability to unlock the tempo for the Frame Drum, too?

If you want build diversity look to Pvp

Zerker is a natural consequence of the elimination of the trinity.

Traditionally you would spec to optimize your role — tanks would stack hp/def, healers would stack mana/healing stats, and dps would go for all out DPS.

Remove the tank, remove the healer, and all your left with is people speccing for all out DPS. Add in mechanics that eliminate the need to mitigate what damage you do take (dodge, personal heals, traits, utility) and you will find people that want to build optimally don’t need any defensive stats.

Neural.1824:

JustTrogdor.7892:

It seems to have what you want.

No. He won’t be happy until he can force his viewpoints and all the trash that comes with them onto GW2 and the people who don’t want to deal with it. Rest assured he’ll be gloating proudly on the forums the very day it is announced should Anet ever make that decision.

I can’t force my viewpoints on anyone. At best i can submit a request, to which you can accept or decline. Hmm…sounds familiar…

JustTrogdor.7892:

I look forward to your future Wildstar reports though as I’m sure they will not be biased and have nothing to do with your pro-dueling agenda. :P

Did you know they actually pay you real money to duel in WS? They deposit money in a paypal account for accepting and give you free 7 day trials for declining. It’s amazing!

LanfearShadowflame.3189:

You had simply stated that you had never heard of people complaining about harassment in games that had duels. I was simply providing you with solid evidence that exists there too (and people complain about it), and pointing out that all you had to do was take 30 seconds to google it.

Sorry Lanfear, i wasn’t hating. You were definitely correct with those links you posted and i was acknowledging that in jest. Trust me, i am a big nerd and i’ve definitely done my research on dueling in other games. Not to discredit your sources, but i was looking for threads with lots of responses (like these GW2 threads). And i’ve literally never heard of West.

JustTrogdor.7892:

Scrambles.2604:

The only time i’ve heard people complain about duel based harassment are in games that don’t even have duels. You can find these threads for GW2 and ESO. I never heard anyone complain about duels in games that actually have duels.

Perhaps it has to do with people that enjoy PvE dueling are attracted to games that have that as a feature. Given that, they are used to the things negative and positive that are onboard with such a system and have less to complain about. Obviously, people that play games without PvE dueling have a right to defend against it. Maybe some of the anti-dueling crowd gravitated to games without it due to their experiences in games that had dueling.

Edit: Because the point below is what I’m talking about:

Tommyknocker.6089:

Now however I just avoid any game that has open world dueling instead searching out games that either don’t have it or segregate it to a designated area.

See, it works both ways.

As stated before, harassment isn’t my number one issue. I can deal with kids that want to act like tools. However, I have other issues with open world PvE that I have stated many times.

I have a hard time believing people picked up GW2 because it didn’t have duels. Games don’t usually advertise based on the features they lack…haha.

I’m sure Lanfear will post a link to contradict me, but i can’t recall any MMOs that actually use dueling as a selling point. It’s typically something that is just there (or sometimes not there). I’m sure people enjoyed this game first and then appreciated that duels weren’t here.

JustTrogdor.7892:

Scrambles of course you are a bit biased (to say the least) and have an agenda to support so how do we know you will provide reliable data? While not really possible we would need a larger sample from players that are neutral on the position in order to receive more reliable information. But hey if you want to go ahead with your “project” good for you I guess.

Haha, yes i may be a bit bias (because i enjoy dueling) but i have also tried to approach this realistically. If i knew nothing about dueling besides what i’ve read from this thread i would have at least expected to have been called a noob by now for declining. But i haven’t even had the chance to decline!

I don’t know what type of larger sample data one would expect to see. Maybe if i saw threads like “remove dueling from x game, it is ruining the community!”

The only time i’ve heard people complain about duel based harassment are in games that don’t even have duels. You can find these threads for GW2 and ESO. I never heard anyone complain about duels in games that actually have duels.