Guild Wars 2

honestly i dont care about the finisher or even winning, i love the battles i get from BG and JQ. However what i will call people out on is bullkitten posts like the one you made, that was making false claims and spreading lies.

My question to is why did you come here making false claims and spreading them like truth ? or is that finisher soo important to you, that you will do anything to bad mouth servers your facing ?

guess i shouldnt have replied to whats clearly a troll account.

TheActualTruth.9734:

I’m on Blackgate and I’ve never seen anything like this past week before. The Scumbag plays that are happening in t1 NA are unbelievable. We and Sanctum of Rall are actively refusing to fight each other and we are both covering each others keeps, towers, supply camps etc.

Last night people were so mad that JQ came within a couple thousand points of 2nd that players from both our servers used voice comms to better communicate our push against an extremely smaller force of JQ even compared to 1 of our servers not let alone both. I heard about the abuse of voice comms earlier in the week but last night was the 1st time I actually heard it for myself. We even responded to defend SoR’s keep while they were across the map and another time we didn’t attack them while they capped a keep.

I haven’t seen this level of try hard since the idiots of old that super stacked servers like Sea of Sorrows and Henge of Denravi months ago making t1 WvW a complete joke.

WvW this past week has been extremely boring in T1 we run 40 man guardian zerg blobs(sometimes they are even bigger) that slow down the server so much with the constant boon spam and cleanses that the only thing you can do is spam your 1 attack and then it becomes a battle of who has more guardians spamming they’re 1 attack Wave of Wrath better.

There is literally no tactics or strategy in T1 WvW atm. Well I should correct myself the strategy of the players on my server at least are to make WvW unplayable by blobbing everywhere we go and I mean everywhere, so we can win some stupid finisher that will represent a very terrible system that the bad developers at Arenanet shoveled into our mouths and our server bought into hook line and sinker.

LOL whata fake account and bullkitten post, noone from BG or SOR were on eachother ts setting up some master plan.

Its pretty simple and doesnt take a genius to figure out. JQ got the easier schedule and both BG and SOR wanted to have a shot at the win, so they did what they had to.

TheButcher.5062:

keelhaul.8039:

TheButcher.5062:

Your point?

Is as follows:

“Keep crying its……hillarious”

Lets see who will cry this week around

my guess will be JQ crying of boredom.

Kilger.5490:

SykkoB.9465:

JQ really crying about being 2v1ed for once???. I mean come on SOR and BG have had to deal with this for 10+ months, and the first time JQ can no longer use the BG/SOR rivalry to there advantage they whine.

again JQ has used BG/SOR rivalry to create 2v1s for a year now, and r now crying that you had to deal with it for 1 week.

JQ has been getting 2-1 since the first loss, its the only way JQ was pushed out of top spot originally, BG and SoR virtually stopped fighting eachother for a week. Usually dont post here, but I gotta say… wut?? lol I’m ok with that tho

LOL ok your either trolling or clueless. JQ started falling not because of a 2v1, but because a good chunk of there NA playerbase left for a different server. That left JQ with a huge timezone gap and fell to third.

JQ instead of falling out of t1 rallied up and played kingmaker for the next 10+ months, using the rivalry of BG/SOR and creating 2v1s against whoever they wanted. The whole time this was happening noone really focused JQ, they were just there and the hate with BG and SOR allowed that.

SO again srry you gotta deal witha 2v1 for the first time in a year or so. It kinda happens when you become competitive

JQ really crying about being 2v1ed for once???. I mean come on SOR and BG have had to deal with this for 10+ months, and the first time JQ can no longer use the BG/SOR rivalry to there advantage they whine.

again JQ has used BG/SOR rivalry to create 2v1s for a year now, and r now crying that you had to deal with it for 1 week.

Beyonce.3207:

I don’t normally post, but in the past 7 days I’ve seen some incredibly dirty things being played that ruins the whole spirit of who is a “better server”.

In the week prior to this so-called Season 1, JQ beat BG by a definite margin, to the point of embarrassment.

This week, I saw daily 2v1 fights against our server. Double our numbers in a 24/hr clogged-up situation where our real fighting guilds could not get in or change locations because of the achievement process that Anet decided to introduce for this Season.

We fought with mostly PVE militia eager to get their achievement points.

Once you open the floodgates of PVE into the realm of PVP, you break the true PVP champions of each server from doing what they do best.

I know Anet is trying to please everyone. Sure, I got my Veteran of the Mist title and my key in the first week endlessly focusing not on my server objectives but my own. And I’ve been playing WvW since day one of GW2 launch.

Something is really screwed with this ‘Season’ concept. I pity those true PVP folks like ATM and GE and MERC who give their life for this game with brilliant fighting coordinate for server glory, only to be cut at their knees by the flood of PVE newbies clogging up their vital resource lines.

BG and SOR, u may have won this round. But you deserve zero respect for what you did to us. Phui.

Omg quit crying already. SOR and BG have had to deal with 2v1s against both r servers for 10+ months, while JQ was able to use BG and SOR’s rivalry to there benefit. For the first time in over a year, both BG and SOR actually put the rivalry aside for the greater good of the league, and focused a little more on JQ.

So im srry JQ you had to deal with a 2v1 for once, instead of watching BG and SOR beat each others heads in.God its like we took your favorite toy away from you guys.

LOL way to many ppl live in the world of EB. People seem to forget there r 3 other maps where the home server is always being 2v1ed.

I really dont get why anyone is complaining, who cares who wins some stupid league. The only thing you should care about is having fun and great matches, and it Seems SOR and BG will have that. I acttually feel bad for JQ for having to pvdoor for so many weeks, i also feel bad for SOS/MAG/TC who gotta deal with the big 3

t1 servers have no right to complain about ques, we have the best round the clock coverage of all servers and its a price we pay. Btw the pver/fairweather will be gone ina week or 2 once they get there achievements.

O and there r 4 maps if one seems to have a long que, TRY A DIFFERENT ONE. I am sure not all 4 maps have 3-4 hour ques.

who cares?? JQ will be bored to tears, while BG and SOR get to have some epic battles. The only real victims r servers 4-5-6.

Le Rooster.8715:

ParaldaWind.4523:

Le Rooster.8715:

We actually have 3 maps queued, this hasn’t happened in like 9 months

I think they lowered queue sizes. Mag queues, even on reset, are rarely longer than 15-20 minutes. I’ve been in queue for an hour now.

This is a good thing =)

they didnt lower the que size, its just the pver now have a reason to go into wvw. I really dont think it will last longer then a week or 2 tho at most 3, once pvers get there achievments and see wvw hasnt really changed most will leave wvw again.

kinda sucks tho cause if the pvers stayed it would make for alot more servers being competitive

Furiousbeard.7602:

Azure.8412:

Enough is enough. Some of you on here are a bunch of carebears. Do you think everything is always fair, and that There’s never a guild or two communicating to 2v1 you guys to hell? Happened to SoR blatantly before, and you don’t see a bunch of people crying on the forums cause it’s just how it works. And what’s with the people saying going to T1=Bandwagoning? It’s not always the case.

This post sounds like you were crying while writing it…

weak troll attempt, you can do better.

Le Rooster.8715:

renmei.3102:

Le Rooster.8715:

SoR zerg more next time, can’t take the tower with relatively even numbers so you have to bring a whole map queue to take a paper tower against 15 defenders.

It is always cute when people flatter themselves and think they are more important than they really are. A more likely scenario is that bored groups are jumping at any hint of action because there is no one to fight.

or you could split up into groups of 2 or 3 and actually fight us with even numbers, we’ll give you alot more fights there.

Dude rooster stop trolling, you know full well that asking ppl to “sit out of a fight” is just not gonna work. When SOS has more coverage numbers of other servers, how many times did you ask your server mates to stand back so you can get all the action ?

Trolls be trolling with no logic /fail

guys just ignore the BG and JQ trolls in this thread, they have nothing to do with this matchup. Just have fun, and bring the fights.

J heazy.7214:

Blix.8021:

Deli.1302:

While this is a great idea, T1 servers have the capability to outbid T2 servers when it comes to acquiring guilds, and there’s nothing you can do to stop them.

Also, what oceanic/sea guilds are left to fill T2….. majority of them have been bought up and absorbed into T1 servers. Only way this will work is if the transfers come from T1 and good luck getting that to happen. We’ll have to wait for one of them to implode.

[Meow] needs to be congratulated. So far the only guild brave enough to leave T1 for a T2 server. Others should follow their lead. Don’t be a wuss.

Several tier 1 guilds moved to dragonbrand when it was still tier 2. They eventually got bored and left. People are in tier 1 for a reason.

I wasn’t right in the middle of this, (I was decently close to the situation by being on a T1 server at the time) but there is another interpretation. Could be that DB started getting beat by TC in T2 and then the bandwagon leaders then knew the dream of beating their ex-servermates on JQ wasn’t going to happen so they moved on to BG where they would have a better chance. looking back at the scores in May and June I find it hard to believe that the T2 fights were boring since the scores were decently close.

I bailed out of one of the top 3 servers when getting a 10 man guild group all on the same borderland on a Wednesday or Thursday evening started to become a hassle. If we could get 2 more servers up to Tarnished Coast’s population that would be the best situation imo. Even better if they came from one of the top 3 servers.

what you fail to mention or remember for that mater is that t2 was close up till the random match ups.

Once the random match up system started, and DB TC and FA never faced each other for all but 1 week about a month ago. People got sick of either stomping lower tiers or being in a 4/5/7 4/6/9 matchup where TC just had to much for a 1v1, so guilds on the other t2 servers left looking for more competitive/even matchups.

What i don’t get is Anet in all this, they must be able to see the dmg the random Rng match ups did to servers, and yet plan on putting in leagues?. Talk about clueless or living in your own special world.

Dont get me wrong tho i admit T1 does have some blame in this, by recruiting guilds. However, it has always been this way since the game came out and it wont Change. T1 is the only Tier where you can really get 24/7 action on the large scale alot of ppl like.

Niim.9260:

SykkoB.9465:

have you ever played on ET and or other bottom tier servers??? they dont even have enough ppl to QUE one map let alone 4, and they r not the only ones. We have nowhere near the NA pop for 20-24 servers, we may have the NA pop for 16 or so, and im not talking about 4 map qued im talking about like 20-30 ppl on 4 maps.

Yes, played in tier 9, as well as 8 and most every other tier. You are splitting hairs between 16 vs 20, the point remains that if we had more off-hour folks then more servers would be viable, something like 16-20 :P

Off hour coverage has always been an issue with WvW and always will be. Again wvw is 24/7, anet wanted it like this, and you cant blame the other timezones for going to servers where they will actually have ppl to fight.

I think the point is that ANET ‘vision’ was a flawed one and their head in the sand on the topic is making things worse. Also I never commented on the other time zones, just the NA ones.

and the vast majority of people who transfer to t1, dont do it for some “easy win” or “reward”, they do it because its the ONLY tier that has 24/7 coverage and the most balance competitive matches. People who wanted easy wins, would bandwagon to a Rank 7-8 server tank there score and then Stomp the other servers when league started.

What a load. So folks have been playing on their respective servers for months, yet suddenly they decided they wanted 24/7 coverage, skill lag and massive ques just as leagues are about to start? Sounds like a great time to make the switch if competitive matches is what you wanted… enjoy all the blowouts, those are super competitive.

you know how to read right ?? i said the vast majority, yes some xfered to t1 for a chance to win, most however do so for the competitive matches that happen when all 3 t1 servers r together.

Again put the blame where it belongs, anet created this mess by making leagues and this silly Rng match making system. Please stop being blinded by your anger.

Rackhir Tanelorn.9123:

While I agree with your point in general Sykko that people transfer to T1 for the relatively constant action, I also feel the game overall would be better off with:
1. Lower Map Caps
2. A 4 NA League Structure with T1 in its own bracket

NA T1 experiences more lag than any other Tier in the game especially in EB. A lower Map Cap will both improve gameplay and convince some to avoid transferring due to queues.

Allowing the top 3 to only play each other for the duration of a Season will still allow people who like the T1 playstyle to move there but will actually discourage people from transferring their for “easy wins” which is what many of the matches in Gold League are going to be now.

That’s what is driving a lot of this discussion – how can you “defend” T1 as a place for great matches when in a few weeks all 3 Servers likely won’t be fighting each other in the same match together?

Actually man i agree with some of your points, esp the lower the map cap and stuff like that to help spread the playerbase out, if you look at my posting history about a month or so back i made many posts saying it.

What i dont agree with tho is people Blaming t1 servers for a problem Anet created, Anet is the one who set the map cap, anet is the one who made wvw 24/7 and Anet is the one creating the leagues and made this RNG match making system.Players go where they think they will have the best fights or most even fights, and like it or not t1 seems to be that place for many ppl.

Niim.9260:

SykkoB.9465:

Niim.9260:

SykkoB.9465:

T1 is T1 because of coverage, its the only place where guilds from all time zones can go to have fights 24/7. Btw isnt this kinda what anet wanted ?? after all WvW is 24/7.

WvW being 24/7 is a great ideal when you have the population to do it. We have enough NA population for 24 servers, we have enough off-hour population for 4 servers.

Basically all of T1 is carried by their off-hour population, the NA population are just parasites.

No, we actually dont have the NA pop for 24 servers. Can all servers have a presence on 4 maps during NA? no they cant only the top 3 tiers can, and even thats a maybe.

Your right about the off hour coverage tho, but even that there isnt even enough to put a presence on 4 maps for 4 servers.

T1 is just playing the game the way Anet wants it played, 24/7 fights coverage. So why be shocked its happening?. and why blame t1?. Blame Anet for creating WvW this way.

If we had equal off-hour coverage to what we have for NA, then yes we have NA population for 24 servers, well in fairness lets say a bit less, say 20 servers. Not everyone wants to blob around on qued maps, nor does everyone think you need that many people on a server. Spreading out is a good thing, we just do not have enough off-hour to spread out as well.

T1 is blamed because of the recruitment drives, the insistence to ‘get more’ rather than ‘get better’ in order to compete. ANET does what a business does, but the players… the ones that are flooding to T1 servers so they can hope to win a finisher and some extra rank chests… they deserve all the disdain we can heap upon them.

have you ever played on ET and or other bottom tier servers??? they dont even have enough ppl to QUE one map let alone 4, and they r not the only ones. We have nowhere near the NA pop for 20-24 servers, we may have the NA pop for 16 or so, and im not talking about 4 map qued im talking about like 20-30 ppl on 4 maps.

Off hour coverage has always been an issue with WvW and always will be. Again wvw is 24/7, anet wanted it like this, and you cant blame the other timezones for going to servers where they will actually have ppl to fight.

and the vast majority of people who transfer to t1, dont do it for some “easy win” or “reward”, they do it because its the ONLY tier that has 24/7 coverage and the most balance competitive matches. People who wanted easy wins, would bandwagon to a Rank 7-8 server tank there score and then Stomp the other servers when league started.

Niim.9260:

SykkoB.9465:

T1 is T1 because of coverage, its the only place where guilds from all time zones can go to have fights 24/7. Btw isnt this kinda what anet wanted ?? after all WvW is 24/7.

WvW being 24/7 is a great ideal when you have the population to do it. We have enough NA population for 24 servers, we have enough off-hour population for 4 servers.

Basically all of T1 is carried by their off-hour population, the NA population are just parasites.

No, we actually dont have the NA pop for 24 servers. Can all servers have a presence on 4 maps during NA? no they cant only the top 3 tiers can, and even thats a maybe.

Your right about the off hour coverage tho, but even that there isnt even enough to put a presence on 4 maps for 4 servers.

T1 is just playing the game the way Anet wants it played, 24/7 fights coverage. So why be shocked its happening?. and why blame t1?. Blame Anet for creating WvW this way.

Why r you guys still shocked at how much stronger, or how much more coverage t1 servers have against other tiers??? it has been this way since launch and wont change.

ET/JQ/SBI all stomped the t2 servers when they went down, kitten they use to 695 ppt 24/7 them.So i ask again why r you all so shocked??.

T1 is T1 because of coverage, its the only place where guilds from all time zones can go to have fights 24/7. Btw isnt this kinda what anet wanted ?? after all WvW is 24/7.

Buzzcrave.6197:

No they don’t listen, look at the commander tag, it’s been talk since beta, and yet it is still useless. Just a beacon for people to rally there.

^this so much this. Something as simple and tweaking and adding on to the commander tag has taken them over a year. Other stuff ppl have asked for such as,

Just to name a few
-Raid interface so we can set up groups of 6-24 for wvw
-Bug fixes to the group invite/kick issue
-Glitches such as the going threw gates ,or wall climbing
-Better report options ingame

It has been well over a year now, and yet we get the same line of text from anet( we r working on it, or we r looking into it).Yet they come up with bloodlust, and leagues and rush them into the game, while there player base begs them not too.

SO because EB is qued you r gonna make a post crying ?? you do know you have 3 other maps right ?

just be happy your on a server that has a healthy wvw pop.

Tarkus.4109:

Nickthemoonwolf.1485:

Also yesterday in TCBL before we had a real force on the map… I think this may have been just a BIT overkill, dont you think SoR? I mean we had all of maybe 10 max in the keep and no siege, we literally had just taken it back.

Wow, TW has stopped lifting – only one omega. I’ve seen Pryan use 4 omegas and a 50+ zerg go for a paper keep, one omega and a ~30 people is nothing.

cutbacks, times r hard thes days.

r JQ’s que times as kittenome of your server mates r saying in some threads??? and is it on all 4 maps or just 1-2, and the ppl complaining r simple not smart enough to que up a dif one?

this filter is getting worse and worse

Asudementio.8526:

Aurust.8961:

urak.4863:

BG/SoR/JQ should just be given their own league. Nobody else has coverage and queues map(s) 24 hours of the day :<

TC should stop whining in every thread about leagues and take their upcoming beatings. Like I point out, when TC stacked themselves far beyond any competition outside of T1, you had the same complaints lobbed against you that were dismissed out of hand.

Now its too late for your precious community…. there will be many slayings of roleplayers and dolyaks in your future. Get used to it because it seems almost every week you will be facing a t1 server.

You have no right to pass judgement on any server. SoR has and always will be a server for bandwagoners and scavengers.

says a player from tc, who has had many ppl xfer to your server. Pot kettle ???

alot of ppl will be going outside?

Sarrs.4831:

SykkoB.9465:

1. the top ranked server r gonna have no issue getting the achievements.

I think what he’s trying to say is that there are personal achievements and if you’re stuck on a queue all the time because you transferred to Stackgate you’re never going to be able to get them.

Of course, whether this is actually the case and whether it actually acts as a stacking deterrent is yet to be seen.

i know what he was trying to say man, its just he really has no clue what he is talking about.

T1 ques r really not as bad as ppl wanna think they r, this is how they go.

Friday reset night- All maps during na r qued for 1-2 hours
Saturday- 3 of the 4 maps r qued for 5-20 mins
Sunday-3 of the 4 maps r qued for 5-10 mins
monday-thursday – 2 out of 4 maps r ques for 5-10 mins 2 r insta pop

This is for the NA timezone only.Ocx/sea/eu at max will hit 2 maps qued and even that is hit and miss. T1 servers r not as strong as they r because they que all 4 of there maps 24/7, its because they have 24/7 coverage and no other server has it.

the truth is the WvW population in this game is just dying, ppl r sick of waiting a year+ for fixes or changes.

devons post just shows how truly out of touch they r with WvW.

1. the top ranked server r gonna have no issue getting the achievements.

2. out side of reset night or the weekend even t1’s que times r rare or atleast not long, they r a whole 5 mins on 2-3 maps and 1-2 without any que.

3. how they heck didnt the WvW dev team see this coming??? EVERY single player saw this mess coming the day it was announced

4. the wvw population has been dropping steadily for all server’s in this game for awhile now, with ppl getting bored or lack of fixes/changes or content. T1 pop has also been dropping, and only able to stay where they r by eating up more players from lower tiers.

inclosing congrats anet You have actually managed to bleed out the only thing unique about gw2. Goodluck keeping players around to play your kitten Spvp and boring kitten pve

Cameron.2315:

http://blackgatewvw.com/forum/index.php?/topic/1405-bg-arms-race-fundraiser/

So which guilds have got offers so far lol

LOL omg thats amazing

Monsoon.2589:

I ll be honest with you, no matter the amount of psychological projection nobody likes JQ…nobody. This dates back from when JQ used to constantly block the Jumping Puzzle back in the days with 10 vs 1 at the entrance. This attracted a lot of people to JQ, people who enjoyed this type of behavior but were not that good in wvw.

From then on they made enemies from acting like kittenbags. Nothing has changed yet and the only thing JQ has left is paying guilds to come to their server so they can say they are T1 material…but they are not and their reputation still follows them.

For a long time JQ had relied on SoR but that changed some time ago when SoR decided to not carry JQ anymore. There is a reason JQ never ever gets the number 1 spot and it should be pretty clear by now.

JQ does not belong in T1…it never did

JQ got first like 4-5 weeks ago.

Stealth.8150:

Atine.8623:

Stealth.8150:

lol comes from nys which has 3 kitten guilds. you guys field over 40 as well not sure why you guys qqing about coverage.
song has over 40 for sure and sahp has over 50.
is iron scared of of competition during eu with their 50man+ blob
ps sor you guys not looking weak enough during sea please tank the score even more.

SONG never had, does not and never will field more than 20 people.

did you have blind folds on yesterday during sea or something you guys had over 30 people easily

Just gonna point this out to you, but everyone thinks the other servers Zerg is larger. THey also always add +5-10 to what the actual number is

Omg enough guys, we all recruit and all have r strong timezones.

NA once was SOR’s strongest may still be, but with additions to JQ its a little more evened out now.

OCX Has been BGS strongest for awhile, but even this time zone has evened out over time, i still think BG has a small advantage here tho but not a massive one

SEA Once belonged to JQ, but BG is close and may have more then JQ now , SOR is a little behind in this time zone but thats ok we will work with the great teams we have here. Even this timezone tho isnt as bad as it once was and is alot closer

EU Once belonged to BG since they had the only EU, Sor has now taken the lead in this timezone, but again even this timezone is closer then ever esp with JQ new additions

Jinks.2057:

SykkoB.9465:

2: have ppl helped guilds move some members over to t1? yep

That is all you needed to type.

Now let us move on to greener pastures since you’ve attained enlightenment.

Thanks,

Jinks

umm that is not buying guilds. Like i said once guilds/individuals have made the mind and chosen to come to t1, if some of there members couldnt afford to move with there guild, yes some have helped them out so they could stay with there friends. This is done in many tiers

Buying guilds would be like, hey yo come to t1 i pay you 8kg KK THX

Jinks.2057:

SykkoB.9465:

Jinks.2057:

SykkoB.9465:

gebrechen.5643:

Which server paid for transfers and which guilds took the money?

dude just dont even bother, he hasnt figured it out yet that it was all a troll, to spark PVF. Yes there r guilds that have helped players xfer over, but only after there guild made the choice to come to t1, they helped them so they could stay with the guilds, and wouldnt need to farm for days just to follow there friends.

Most guilds/individuals move on there own and pay there own way

False just accept that it happens and let’s get back on topic shall we??

thx

Engage Super Defense Mode

Usually when someone get’s this rustled about something there lies a whole stinking runny pile of truth in their house.

Give up and move on to topic at hand.

i didnt know asking for proof was being uber defenisve, you know with the whole innocent until proven guilty thing.

but going by your logic, you seem really defensive right now, and r refusing to give the proof to your claims.

i love it when ppl make claims without any facts

here some facts for you
1: is t1 stacked ? yes it is

2: have ppl helped guilds move some members over to t1? yep but only once they made there choice

3: does some of the blame of the lag in t1 belong on the players? yep, but alot of the blame belongs on anet for not testing there servers, and knowing what there engines could handle

4: Will wvw every really get the content/fixes the players want? prob not

5: does anet really care about wvw for competition? Nope, they have already stated they ment it to be casual

6: does anet want Spvp to become esport? yep, but it never will become what they want

Jinks.2057:

SykkoB.9465:

gebrechen.5643:

Which server paid for transfers and which guilds took the money?

dude just dont even bother, he hasnt figured it out yet that it was all a troll, to spark PVF. Yes there r guilds that have helped players xfer over, but only after there guild made the choice to come to t1, they helped them so they could stay with the guilds, and wouldnt need to farm for days just to follow there friends.

Most guilds/individuals move on there own and pay there own way

False just accept that it happens and let’s get back on topic shall we??

thx

got proof ?? or just making accusations ?

Buzzcrave.6197:

SykkoB.9465:

Buzzcrave.6197:

SykkoB.9465:

Buzzcrave.6197:

Joni.6830:

Jinks.2057:

T1 has no one but themselves to blame for the skill lag there

T1 has themselves to blame? Are you kittening kidding me? WvW favours big blobs.

It’s GAME DESIGN. If it weren’t more powerful people wouldn’t do it.

No! T1 servers have themselves to blame simply because they can go to t2/3 and fill those servers up for more fair tier match, but instead they bandwagon to t1 in order to get the full benefit of WvW(karma train/WxP) and the future rewards(League winners). However, they are a complete joke. Why? Everyone knows WvW rewards are complete kitten, you might as well just PvE to get a better “rewards”.

this is such a silly argument. SO blame t1 for anet failing to test there servers/engine properly? if the servers cant handle the QUE sizes they have now, then its anet fault, and they need to adjust the que to a cap size there dam engines/servers can handle.

the lag in this game is not just a t1 problem, it happens in all tiers. I also get that the players have the fault in stacking, but that again is not just a t1 problem, t2 is far more stacked then t3 and t3 from t4.

Yes it is Anet fault, and it is the players fault as well. Most players are well aware of how the skill lag occurs and yet they still transfer to the most populated servers, and then complain about skill lag. There should be a limit on stupidity.

If Anet make transferring to lower tiers servers for free, then hopefully we’ll have more servers with balance population resulting on a healthy match up. Knowing how Anet is a sucker for money(still trying to make sPvP as an eSport so they’ll get sponsorship), I know it’ll never happened. So it’s up to the players to man up and just transfer out from the stacked servers.

p/s: Fyi, from the mouth of an alpha tester, Anet only test their game/class balancing using sPvP. WvW was hardly being touch by them. This is just another fact on how WvW is just a mini game for Anet. We, the WvW players should never hope any fixes from Anet as they don’t give a kitten on WvW, so it is up to us to “fix” it.

so you know tc is the 4th most stacked server right?? and so im guessing your saying ppl should transfer off tc also ? just wanted to make sure your not telling others what to do without taking your own advice

First of all, I’m playing on SEA timezone. So no skill lag does not happened frequently as there are not many servers that have SEA players. Back on the day when I was at CD, we’re just PvDoor for 2-3 months straight, w/o any opposition at all. When we decided to move to TC, it is mainly because War Machine is in KN, and we want to face them(sadly they transfer few weeks later). So, here I am, stuck in a spot where facing t1 servers will only mean us having 50ish on all 3 map on SEA time facing their massive 80 man in every map. Funny thing is when we face same/lower tier, we usually outnumbered them by a lot which is why I suggest for the players that are on the stacked servers, just move out from there and go to t2/3. I’d love it if you move to t2/3 and face us in TC as we really need SEA players to spread out so every week we’ll get opponent.

your still the 4th most stacked server in the NA, and if your gonna tell all 3 t1 servers to unstack you should follow your own advice. By the way the same reason you moved to tc to fight WM, is why most Sea/OCX/EU guilds moved to t1, so they had ppl to fight and were not pvdooring.

i have stated that i agree with you that players stacking share in the blame with anet, but what i dont agree with you on, is you telling other what to do while not willing to do it also.

Buzzcrave.6197:

SykkoB.9465:

Buzzcrave.6197:

Joni.6830:

Jinks.2057:

T1 has no one but themselves to blame for the skill lag there

T1 has themselves to blame? Are you kittening kidding me? WvW favours big blobs.

It’s GAME DESIGN. If it weren’t more powerful people wouldn’t do it.

No! T1 servers have themselves to blame simply because they can go to t2/3 and fill those servers up for more fair tier match, but instead they bandwagon to t1 in order to get the full benefit of WvW(karma train/WxP) and the future rewards(League winners). However, they are a complete joke. Why? Everyone knows WvW rewards are complete kitten, you might as well just PvE to get a better “rewards”.

this is such a silly argument. SO blame t1 for anet failing to test there servers/engine properly? if the servers cant handle the QUE sizes they have now, then its anet fault, and they need to adjust the que to a cap size there dam engines/servers can handle.

the lag in this game is not just a t1 problem, it happens in all tiers. I also get that the players have the fault in stacking, but that again is not just a t1 problem, t2 is far more stacked then t3 and t3 from t4.

Yes it is Anet fault, and it is the players fault as well. Most players are well aware of how the skill lag occurs and yet they still transfer to the most populated servers, and then complain about skill lag. There should be a limit on stupidity.

If Anet make transferring to lower tiers servers for free, then hopefully we’ll have more servers with balance population resulting on a healthy match up. Knowing how Anet is a sucker for money(still trying to make sPvP as an eSport so they’ll get sponsorship), I know it’ll never happened. So it’s up to the players to man up and just transfer out from the stacked servers.

p/s: Fyi, from the mouth of an alpha tester, Anet only test their game/class balancing using sPvP. WvW was hardly being touch by them. This is just another fact on how WvW is just a mini game for Anet. We, the WvW players should never hope any fixes from Anet as they don’t give a kitten on WvW, so it is up to us to “fix” it.

so you know tc is the 4th most stacked server right?? and so im guessing your saying ppl should transfer off tc also ? just wanted to make sure your not telling others what to do without taking your own advice

Buzzcrave.6197:

Joni.6830:

Jinks.2057:

T1 has no one but themselves to blame for the skill lag there

T1 has themselves to blame? Are you kittening kidding me? WvW favours big blobs.

It’s GAME DESIGN. If it weren’t more powerful people wouldn’t do it.

No! T1 servers have themselves to blame simply because they can go to t2/3 and fill those servers up for more fair tier match, but instead they bandwagon to t1 in order to get the full benefit of WvW(karma train/WxP) and the future rewards(League winners). However, they are a complete joke. Why? Everyone knows WvW rewards are complete kitten, you might as well just PvE to get a better “rewards”.

this is such a silly argument. SO blame t1 for anet failing to test there servers/engine properly? if the servers cant handle the QUE sizes they have now, then its anet fault, and they need to adjust the que to a cap size there dam engines/servers can handle.

the lag in this game is not just a t1 problem, it happens in all tiers. I also get that the players have the fault in stacking, but that again is not just a t1 problem, t2 is far more stacked then t3 and t3 from t4.

i wonder if Rawnoodles new guild name/tag ,has to do with what happened on the GVG scene .

imo this league and orb kitten is gonna really hurt wvw, your gonna have servers with more coverage cap everything, forcing smaller servers to have even less ppl in wvw. Now that everything is capped ,you would normally have small scales battles still(roamers) or even GvGs/Duels, and other community driven stuff that would make the matches a little less – boring , but now the Larger servers will have this buff making even thos battles tainted.

Again this isnt about GvG/dueling or anything like that, its just an example. I know leagues r short term, but i think the damage will be done and ppl will be over it.

And it keeps coming back to them trying to force us out of WvW and into Spvp, like that is the answer. Lets face it Spvp is small scale WvW where if you avoid combat and PVD you win

GG last week SOS, even tho you guys were out coverage by both SoR and TC, you showed you make up for it in Skill, and you never stopped fighting

anyways good lukc guys and have fun, just noticed this is the first t3 actual week t1-2-3 r all correct ranks.

FirstBlood.7359:

AndrewSX.3794:

2 issues.

Objective based modes are NOT a real pvp. Holding stuff =/= killing stuff. Which is one of the various reasons Spvp is failing hard, and in wvw you can see whole zergs waypoint out of towers where they’ve bunkered in to avoid fighting.

Second, at least in 20 vs. 20 you use your character, instead of an arrocart.

Tell me: How many competitive successful games use pure deathmatch? How many competitive successful games use 20 vs 20?

Not a single one. The ugly thing that calls itself GvG constructs an enviroment that renders invidividual skill irrelevant.

SO you think Spvp is gw2 is competitive?, lets be honest its a mini WvW ppt kitten. Spvp in gw2 is a mode where if you actually avoid combat, and focus just on the objectives of capping you win. How is any of this PVP, i remembers When pvp was killing other players, and if you lost you learned from it adapted and came back stronger.

Tarkus.4109:

gebrechen.5643:

I always read something about a video. Is it porn?

RG Pornos are always controversial

yep they make you question your sexuality

Vol.5241:

Aneu.1748:

Vol.5241:

Aneu.1748:

Vol.5241:

Aneu.1748:

UrMom.4205:

I got nothing against GvG, but at the same time if they put in some sort of spvp style gvg arena wouldn’t that take a lot of players out of WvW? That would make WvW worse for a lot of players.

Lets not try to derail this thread. This has very little, if anything at all, to do with GvG.

Of course it has to do with this thread, how can not miss it?

Introduce GvG and the WvW guilds that are into it will probably spend less time fielding the battle and heading over to GvG.

Assuming Anet makes GvG scores separate from WvW then it’s going to hurt your PPT and ranking.

The reason GvG shouldnt be involved in this thread is specifically because of posts like yours. If you understood how GvG worked you would understand that guilds arent exclusively GvG guilds but WvW guilds who do a bit of GvG on the side. No guild will be 100% into GvG as such WvW would not actually see a drop in activity from the guilds that participate in it since 99% of their time is spent playing WvW and not GvGing.

Also I don’t think I know anyone who actually cares about PPT or ranks anymore…

I’m aware of GvG but I do not participate in it (because I don’t like restricting myself to the rules of WvW-only guilds). I’m well aware that many WvW guilds participate in GvG. We actually had the other day one guild on SoR that was participating in GvG asked the other players on the map to protect Bay where we were getting sieged on inner.

That’s a prime example of WvW guilds putting GvG first. It will get worse if they introduce a GvG arena/map separate from WvW with no influence on scores.

So a guild that puts huge amounts of effort into WvW asks for other people to defend a keep that they most likely took while they spend an hour enjoying their time in WvW and you think this is somehow wrong of them. Why is it that they should give up that single hour of fun for themselves in order to support you when you won’t support them in that single hour. This argument is absurd and again one of the reasons GvG shouldn’t be discussed in a topic such as this.

It’s nice of them as a guild to have contributed to WvW. But one guild on one map doesn’t make a difference. You need pugs to do work as well, and scouts. Not to mention all those not in the guild that help with supply/reps. There is a reason SoR TS is open and many guild channels are open for pugs to join in.

WvW is called WvW because it’s about the server, not the individual guild. The server helped as a whole to get to where it is, so I expect the server as a whole to help defend it’s positions.

here is a question for you

How many hours a day or a week do you put into wvw?? since you said u spend alot of your time doing PVE content. I am asking you this question cause the guild your commenting on puts in 8-15 hours a day, in all timezones.

Just wondering why its ok for you to take hours off to do things to have fun, but its not alright for them to take a single hour and have a open field fight of equal numbers

BTW SOR IS winning by over 100k and will win this match up on coverage alone.So they were not hurting anything

Azure Prower.8701:

Good fights all round!

Maybe SoS can learn some thing from SoR and TC so they perform better next week to step up their game!

Ya like recruit more coverage. GOD SOS WHY YOU SO FAR BEHIND!

/end sarcasm

Aneu.1748:

Vol.5241:

Aneu.1748:

UrMom.4205:

I got nothing against GvG, but at the same time if they put in some sort of spvp style gvg arena wouldn’t that take a lot of players out of WvW? That would make WvW worse for a lot of players.

Lets not try to derail this thread. This has very little, if anything at all, to do with GvG.

Of course it has to do with this thread, how can not miss it?

Introduce GvG and the WvW guilds that are into it will probably spend less time fielding the battle and heading over to GvG.

Assuming Anet makes GvG scores separate from WvW then it’s going to hurt your PPT and ranking.

The reason GvG shouldnt be involved in this thread is specifically because of posts like yours. If you understood how GvG worked you would understand that guilds arent exclusively GvG guilds but WvW guilds who do a bit of GvG on the side. No guild will be 100% into GvG as such WvW would not actually see a drop in activity from the guilds that participate in it since 99% of their time is spent playing WvW and not GvGing.

Also I don’t think I know anyone who actually cares about PPT or ranks anymore…

^this

I also dont get why anyone even cares about SPVP, i mean both wvw and Spvp r nothing but PPT games, based around tryin to avoid combat so you can get more points and win. The only dif from wvw and Spvp is one is about coverage.

i remember when PVP was all about fighting ppl and not avoiding combat. O how i miss thos days

Dual.8953:

KaMiKaZe.1874:

rfdarko.4639:

I don’t know if speculative feedback was really wanted for this – and I expect it’s because they knew it would be controversial. The full details of the buff were released something like 3 weeks before its release? No time at all to make any substantive change. We will just have to see how it plays out – its less than a week before release, nothing will be altered at this point. If it does end up a disaster, we can all say “I told you so”, or maybe we’ll all be plesantly surprised. At this point, since the mechanic will go in regardless, it’s probably better to save our arguing till we see what the actual effects are, rather than what we guess they will be.

Its not really speculations, we had this buff once and it turned out to be massive fail. The strong became stronger, the weak became weaker.

There should not be any buffs that affects gameplay with stats. Then they might well make so your characters aren’t level 80 in sPvP and matchup a level 10 with lvl 80, cause thats how wvw RNG matchups are

They wanted it back, obviously and want to see how it plays now that the buff is way harder to defend. No more locking the orbs in fully upgraded keep and calling it a day.
With bloodlust being such high maintenance this time around, I wouldn’t be surprised if servers would reserve grabbing the buff for big pushes. This would also act as an early warning to defenders.

Its only harder to defend if populations/coverage r close, wich they r not, so its gonna end the same way the orbs did before.

heres an example

SOR/TC/SOS. SOR could have 20 ppl at the bloodlust area, while still have 30 guys pushing TC and another 30 pushing SOS, and still have a few ppl scouting running havoc. Now SOR would have the buff plus taking all the towers and stuff.

This will happen to anyone facing the top 6 servers BG SOR JQ TC DB FA, unless they faced eachother, and we all know that doesnt always happen esp for t2 servers

JudgeD.5673:

SykkoB.9465:

Stealth.8150:

JudgeD.5673:

Good fights with SoS at Durios and Mendons tonight, and of course, the crazy fight with TW inside SMC.
Also, earlier in SoS BL, this was taken. Can anyone on SoR tell me how many? I estimated 50ish

let me take one out of my sor qoute book

we don’t blob and we don’t have coverage

your trying way to hard man

For the record, I’m not trying to imply any sort of blobbing was going on here. I was genuinely curious, and thank you to those two who answered. I’m sorry that you took my post as an attempt to bait, but that was not my intent. All I knew is that I couldn’t recall seeing that many HL before. And no, I’m not trying at all. Not all of us are interested in PvF.

huh? My comment “your trying to hard” was aimed at stealth.8150 not you man.

Stealths post have became very Forced and try hard. The power of troll should just flow threw you

Im sure many more r gonna be following ogre’s lead soon, this company really doesnt seem to wanna listen to its playerbase

Stealth.8150:

JudgeD.5673:

Good fights with SoS at Durios and Mendons tonight, and of course, the crazy fight with TW inside SMC.
Also, earlier in SoS BL, this was taken. Can anyone on SoR tell me how many? I estimated 50ish

let me take one out of my sor qoute book

we don’t blob and we don’t have coverage

your trying way to hard man