Guild Wars 2

wut

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https://qtfy.eu/guildwars/benchmarks-august-balance-patch/

I think I beg to differ.

So you failed hard at aegis popping with your autos, ignored obvious signs of blocking from skills. Seems like a learn to play issue.

So basically you just want to hate FB since you don’t get to be OP and are unreasonable. Got it.

Brutaly.6257:

Syktek.7912:

FB justice was nerfed in order to balance out new sources of burn damage. You can still achieve respectable burn burst with regular weapons from my testing anyway.

And torch five was a loss of DPS regardless (And pretty much would nuke you if you attacked players with retaliation).

The only new sources of damage is ToJ. the issue is that in our first condi build/specc we actually loose out on condi damage in our weapons.

And skill 5 on torch is one of the best burn stackers we had so no it wasnt a loss of dps in a condi build. And who cares about being hit by retaliation 5 times when i build 5 stacks of burning while doing it.

I think you miss the point here, the weapons we had as condi build weapons are crap now. And they took a slow and badly designed weapon, crap for pvp, and made it the top damage dealer. In an elite that has not shields or mobility what so ever.

Torch 5 is only good at stacking burns if you’re hitting multiple targets which is situational and all it takes is a guardian to pop a virtue to make you nuke yourself (Also very easy to interrupt, and to avoid, since it has a long cast time). Symbols are better for res denial. This allows you to pick up focus or shield for more sustain and utility.

New sources of burn: Third attack in axe auto chain, Mantra of Flame, ToJ (which can dump massive amounts of burn instantly). A loss of 50% (On Justice Passive) of damage in exchange for ToJ, burns on your autoattack that will effect up to three targets and, once they fix MoF, a utility that poops out burns.

It’s hardly fair to keep Justice + PW doing elongated DoT while you now have three new sources of burn that hit just as hard or even harder (And if traited, Justice stays passive while in ToJ, which is just insane).

And no, the weapons aren’t crap now. I did plenty of testing and found them to be still quite effective at procing J/PW combo which still does massive burns. And if you’re so concerned about it you can still use the previous burn specs which have their very own strengths and better sustain than Firebrand will.

Firebrand: 5

Theme is fantastic and the way it is setup gives it massive potential. However, it is too slow, it is too clunky and the massive reliance on short range, coned, high cooldown skills makes it very frustrating to play.

FB justice was nerfed in order to balance out new sources of burn damage. You can still achieve respectable burn burst with regular weapons from my testing anyway.

And torch five was a loss of DPS regardless (And pretty much would nuke you if you attacked players with retaliation).

Heimskarl Ashfiend.9582:

Axe/Torch & Mace/Shield Burning & Quickness Support Unbuffed; 2271 Power, 2210 condi damage, 98% crit chance, 100% burning duration. Sword in the build link is an Axe, Mantra of Solace as heal. Firebrand traits; Liberator’s Vow, Stalwart Speed & Quickfire.

Event farming build; Firebrand traits are Archivist of Whispers, Legendary Lore and Loremaster. Combined with Renewed Justice, you should be able to spam Tome of Justice all day long for massive AoE burning for tagging. Swap out the Sinister armor for Trailblazer and the farming sigils for something more suitable and it’s good for WvW too.

They took Staff 1 away, made it OP and gave it back to us. Hah. Now maybe they’ll rework Staff completely since it’s worthless.

All those people defending the staff 1 nerf saying ‘our loot was too easy’ IT JUST GOT EASIER YEEEHAAAAW

A one trick pony is gonna ruin a game because I’m bad and don’t know how to power spike :<

Imagine the new frontline guard is going to be Virtues, Honor, Firebrand. If tomes adapt well to WvW anyway.

People keep in mind that a race swap would be nice as deleting a character means losing its birthday place.

ANOTHER FOR THE CHARR MASTER RACE!

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In PvE, outside of hardcore content, use whatever you kitten well please. I might recommend traveler runes in open world.

In sPvP you have a few choices.

https://metabattle.com/wiki/Guardian

EnderzShadow.2506:

What is the burn build I’m getting hit with in pvp?

Depends on how suicidal the guardian is.

There’s base burn, DH burn that use Valor for meditation heals. And then there’s the guy running full damage that’ll nuke you before you realize he’s there.

I stopped caring about winning since I got my top 250 title. Now I’m just playing for fun with friends.

The only place where competition matters is in platinum. If you can’t get there with a duo buddy you don’t belong there.

I pick Khylo every time.

BurrTheKing.8571:

Syktek.7912:

BurrTheKing.8571:

Ithilwen.1529:

Syktek.7912:

Funny, I’ve been having a darn good time.

Like I said, welcome back to S1. Every one of those wins are on guardian and I suspect with a duo partner.

This kind of disparity is exactly what made S1 so awful.

Hearing a DH brag about doing well is more than just a little annoying. Congrats you can place traps on a point and pull people into them. I mean, maybe they aren’t running that build but that seems unlikely.

I play an off meta burn guardian. And I duo with another person running the same build.

Traps are dumb.

I mean, even while it’s true Burn Guard has greater weaknesses than trap spam, it’s pretty easy to destroy with because of how fast the damage ramp up is. Of course this is from a Warrior so you can understand my annoyance. Sure core War with Might Makes Right as a focus is decent, but man do you have to fight for your kills compared to a lot of other classes. Also, while your sustain is good it requires making sure you miss as few of your attacks as possible.

Then you swap and try out another build and you find yourself going “wow, I have to work so much less for everything.” Of course if you kill anyone as War you get told how easy your class is.

Pretty much. Easy to play, not much thinking past your first burst. Just keep spamming symbols and things die.

BurrTheKing.8571:

Ithilwen.1529:

Syktek.7912:

Funny, I’ve been having a darn good time.

Like I said, welcome back to S1. Every one of those wins are on guardian and I suspect with a duo partner.

This kind of disparity is exactly what made S1 so awful.

Hearing a DH brag about doing well is more than just a little annoying. Congrats you can place traps on a point and pull people into them. I mean, maybe they aren’t running that build but that seems unlikely.

I play an off meta burn guardian. And I duo with another person running the same build.

Traps are dumb.

Funny, I’ve been having a darn good time.

No boops please.

10/10 kittenpost.

Bererker all the way and traveler runes. Slot Valor for meditations and then Zeal/Radiance (or DH) for damage. Run whatever weapons you want.

Medis will keep you alive, traveler runes keep you pretty kitten mobile. Does a ton of damage.

phokus.8934:

You’re*

No thanks, though. Fractal sword still amazing along with Bolt.

Or Infinite Light.

Also, if you ever use torch, use the Arah dungeon one it has a blue lighting effect.

Have any of you tried Burnbow guardian in WvW? It’s super deadly itself and marks just as many enemies as Burnstaff did. Anet didn’t fix a problem, they only shifted it to another area.

Staff nerf screwed over a lot of power guardians. All they had to do was change number of targets from five to three.

Because it’s the general forum. Nothing is stopping you from posting feedback in that thread.

Firebrand

Tomes: Decrease summon time for these or completely remove it. Add more condition clear to F2. Reduce tome cooldown on F2 and F3.

Mantras: The cones are too small and the range is too short. Increase range to 450 and cone to 90. Or make them PBAoEs with 400 range.

Axe: Make the Auto attack’s first swing do burning so that the bleeds it supplies act as a cover for it. Lower cast time on Axe 2.

Traits: 1-1-1 need to be looked at. The others are great.

VR > Only if running around with no damage and full tank builds is skill. Their individual players are braindead and easy to kill.

RabbitUp.8294:

Syktek.7912:

RabbitUp.8294:

Syktek.7912:

I did, but I was wrong about justice.

Comparing Justice passive procs.
FB: 1 3/4s @ 586 – 335 /s
DH: 3 1/2s @ 1171 – 335 /s
Core: 6 3/4s @ 2,341 – 347 /s
Done in sPvP lobby with carrion stats, balth runes and smoldering sigils.

Justice got a pretty nice buff considering it burns quicker now.

What does “burns quicker” mean, all conditions behave the same regardless of their skill of origin.

And you calculated it yourself that the dps is the same (nothing quicker there), but the duration is lower. So what exactly is your point?

Very short burn duration means less time to clear it. Basically less time to stop the house from burning down. Faster burns are a good thing.

The only downside is less potential damage, but that potential damage doesn’t really matter in PvP (where the tests were done). It gives you more guaranteed damage which is great. In WvW I messed around a little and you can potentially turn FB Justice passive into a very, very deadly thing if your build revolves around it.

My take anyway.

Are you seriously saying that less burn is better?

1 second of burning does x damage.
4 seconds of burning does up to 4x damage, but i will never do less damage than 1 second of burning, unless you cleanse it immediately, in which case both 1s and 4s will do 0 damage.

Burning is damage over time. The more duration the better, you can’t say less duration is better because you can’t cleanse it. Guess what, it “cleanses” itself, because it stops ticking sooner than the 4s burn.

Know what? You’re right. I wasn’t thinking straight earlier cause I had just woken up and was rushing around cause I was heading out.

RabbitUp.8294:

Syktek.7912:

I did, but I was wrong about justice.

Comparing Justice passive procs.
FB: 1 3/4s @ 586 – 335 /s
DH: 3 1/2s @ 1171 – 335 /s
Core: 6 3/4s @ 2,341 – 347 /s
Done in sPvP lobby with carrion stats, balth runes and smoldering sigils.

Justice got a pretty nice buff considering it burns quicker now.

What does “burns quicker” mean, all conditions behave the same regardless of their skill of origin.

And you calculated it yourself that the dps is the same (nothing quicker there), but the duration is lower. So what exactly is your point?

Very short burn duration means less time to clear it. Basically less time to stop the house from burning down. Faster burns are a good thing.

The only downside is less potential damage, but that potential damage doesn’t really matter in PvP (where the tests were done). It gives you more guaranteed damage which is great. In WvW I messed around a little and you can potentially turn FB Justice passive into a very, very deadly thing if your build revolves around it.

My take anyway.

Fashion Mage.3712:

RabbitUp.8294:

Mahou.3924:

The difference is: QQing after actually playtesting the elite for a bit is legit and fine. Calling doom and drama based on previews, on the other hand, is laughable at best.

Except that all the problems had been identified before the beta test. Not all of us have to press buttons to know what doesn’t work, we have been playing this game for 5 years and we had both in-game footage, and the tooltip of every skill and trait.

Not everyone has reading comprehension unfortunately.

Syktek.7912:

Firebrand as a whole is deeply flawed. Mantras have no range, very small attack area and massive cooldowns. Tomes, and their skills, have four limitations (Tome cooldown, skill cooldown, cast times and pages).

You forgot about the range limitations too~

I did, but I was wrong about justice.

Comparing Justice passive procs.
FB: 1 3/4s @ 586 – 335 /s
DH: 3 1/2s @ 1171 – 335 /s
Core: 6 3/4s @ 2,341 – 347 /s
Done in sPvP lobby with carrion stats, balth runes and smoldering sigils.

Justice got a pretty nice buff considering it burns quicker now.

Dragonhunter is a better condi spec than Firebrand is. Let that sink in.

Firebrand as a whole is deeply flawed. Mantras have no range, very small attack area and massive cooldowns. Tomes, and their skills, have four limitations (Tome cooldown, skill cooldown, cast times and pages). Justice was gutted to make up for Axe 1’s chain and other burn sources, so if you were planning on using other weapons to do burns (while playing Firebrand) good luck.

Dragonhunter, a power focused spec, brings better condition application than Firebrand does currently. Isn’t that dumb?

That’s not intended so it’s definitely not a nerf if it comes around.

Arnath.2319:

You guys love to complain over nothing.

I know you would love to have super overpowered aoe infinite burn support skills but that would break the game.

You should also be clear about what game mode your complaining about, not all elite specs will work for all game modes.

Yall are asking for buffs meanwhile i’m worried we will be nerfed hard, Firebrand does insane amounts of damage.

No one is talking about damage you git. Mantras are fundamentally broken in terms of usability. In WvW they’re absolutely useless because they require people to be directly in front of you and within melee range. Why would I take any of those when I can take shouts, burn off two condis on nearby allies a go ans still spam extremely useful boons for pretty much 1/100th of the effort? They’re not good.

And if damage is what you’re worried about: The damage on Flame Rush is mediocre compared to Justice / PW combo. Even if it were fixed I’d take the group support options over it in sPvP and WvW. I’m not giving up tons of sustain and group support for a little extra damage.

No, you’re forever pleb tier top 250 with the rest of us >:D

Reaper Alim.4176:

Syktek.7912:

skillze.7689:

Unranked should NOT reward rank points for a loss only for a win, ranked games can only be joined by rank 80 players, this will stop anyone ruining games unless they work for it in unranked before hand and give people a long term goal for the new ascended/legendary armor types. If people continue to ruin games in ranked pvp over the season then that is down to anet to consider how to deal with those individuals,

Except rank means absolutely nothing besides ‘I play a lot’. I’ve seen a ton of rank 80 players play like garbage.

It makes it so much harder and time consuming to smurf Ranked leagues tho. That’s the main reason other dedicated ESL titles have huge Rank/Time gaps. To prevent, or at the very least make it a headache to smurf, in order to ruin matches for your main to benifit.

You have no idea how many alts the people you’re talking about have. They won’t get locked out by this.

It’ll easy to work around the toughness in a raid environment since the tank can just throw on more toughness.

Charr. Large, goofy movement. Charr have the best, most aggressive lore and a pretty neato society. Also: Charrzooka.

skillze.7689:

Unranked should NOT reward rank points for a loss only for a win, ranked games can only be joined by rank 80 players, this will stop anyone ruining games unless they work for it in unranked before hand and give people a long term goal for the new ascended/legendary armor types. If people continue to ruin games in ranked pvp over the season then that is down to anet to consider how to deal with those individuals,

Except rank means absolutely nothing besides ‘I play a lot’. I’ve seen a ton of rank 80 players play like garbage.

You can spit out a massive chunk of DPS by just going Zeal 232/Radiance 221/DH 123. And Scepter/Torch. Surprisingly effective on large hitboxes. Not at all meta, but you can change that build around by two traits and throwing in GS (2 > Wait for 2 to recharge > 4 > 2 > Switch > T4, S2, S2, S2, T4 (Auto on cooldown) > Switch > GS 2 > wait > 4 > 2 > switch, rinse). Not really a fun build though.

Rodzynald.5897:

Syktek.7912:

That ‘worst type’ of burn guard took me to Plat 2 top 250 on my first sPvP season. Sounds more like a L2P issue on your part.

And it also seems like you know nothing about Guardian and are simply spouting off

Congratz on getting to 250, it still takes at least a shadow of tactical thought and some skill to get there. Sadly, this season’s MMR was so out of control for most people, that many undeserving players got to lick 250 before falling down, or even stayed there.
Even today, a few hours ago I fought a merciless legend who played like a low gold tier at best. So in the long run I only see a handful of people in 250 who got it in its full 100% worth. Why is that? Recently I’ve been hearing a lot about players who said “my first season” and “got to 250”. While quite an ammount of acquaintances of mine who played for years and pretty much every season, either barely got to 200-250 or got stuck in plat1/low plat2 with a serious 50% win/loss ratio. Thus I hardly believe that those “my first season”‘ers didn’t get simply carried with mmr.

I got stuck in silver (For 50 games) at the beginning and climbed out with a duo partner. My max was 1666 this go, ended at 1639. I had absolutely no intentions of going to Plat this season and thought I would end up in bronze. I simply played for AP and the rewards in the beginning and it’s safe to say I kinda regret keeping at it. It’s a cool title, but I probably aged a few years.

And I don’t really know my skill level (I have a lot of self doubt), but my duo partner said I’m above average for a Guardian main, so. I agree though, a lot of people who really shouldn’t have been up at plat got to stay there simply because of good placement matches and luck. Which is all you need I guess.

I never want to fight in silver again though. Some of the funnest matches I had were losses in platinum.

Manimarco Devil.1790:

So a burn guard should spec heavy light and run shield over a focus or torch just to cripple? I’m done here.

And here is where everyone knows you have no clue what you’re talking about.

Everyone and his mother were running Sword/Shield, Scepter/Focus this season on burn guardian.

Torch 4 misses half the time, Torch 5 will get you killed. Torch has never been good in PvP unless you’re fighting morons.

Shield gives you a CC, group aegis and Focus gives you three blocks and a blind. If you utilize DH subtrait 2 to any efficiency then those three blocks are three justice procs. F3 becomes a multi second block spam which can set over justice several times in a split second within a team fight and is extremely deadly in a 1v1.

Why are you here? You literally have no idea what you’re talking about.

Superior Burn Build: http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vVAQRAse7dnkICVDhlDBeDB8DhlGi6aYXgAIb+uv9Tu5L+nH-TZhAQBA4hAwvTAwGPCAwY/hxUGAA

/LastPost – I got better things to do than bicker with a fake.

Manimarco Devil.1790:

If your gonna bring up the worst type of burn guard just to prove a point then more power to you.

That ‘worst type’ of burn guard took me to Plat 2 top 250 on my first sPvP season. Sounds more like a L2P issue on your part.

And it also seems like you know nothing about Guardian and are simply spouting off

Slaptjip.4895:

Bloodclot.4896:

I didn’t even realise people still played with the staff, Learn something new everyday. Handy for tagging in WvW eh, I’ll dust it off and get it ready, oh wait, it WAS good for tagging in WvW, back it goes into the loft.

You either absolutely clueless or trolling very hard.

The staff provided great group support.

1) There is the symbol of swiftness. Not only does it offer swiftness, it could assist with marking walls (damage support + fire damage when used with virtue of justice). One can never have enough wall pressure whilst the siege does its job. It also offers cleansing within the area. Perfect to cast on friendly siege.

2) There is the empower that gives might. A key thing in WvW for as long as we can remember. Not only does it empower, it offers reasonable healing when activated. Rank 3000 and I have seen how Empower in a middle of a zerg fight saved fellow players low on HP.

3) Line of Warding. Another extremely viable support skill both offensive and defensive. I cannot recall how many times I saved a friendly player running towards a tower/keep portal away from someone where my line of warding gave them the last needed seconds.

For all that, the guard got skill 1 in return to get his/her fair loot bags whilst those 3 skills above was recharging.

Anet did not take away the Guardians loot bag skill, they simply took away group support. So, next time a squishy runs low on health next to me, no cleansing/no healing/no might and no line of warding for the defense. Instead I am forced to use a weapon that does damage but not nowhere near enough group support.

Symbol of Swiftness is the only place where you are right here.

Empower is outclassed when it comes to might botting and its heal is basically useless in times when you need it most. No one is going to stand still for the full second it takes to go off in the middle of a zerg fight. I’ve seen gaurdians get ran the hell over because of this ‘trick’ many times.

Line of Warding is absolutely nullified by the current stability meta, the fact that you can back up into it and it’ll knock you through, and that you can simply run around it. Also doesn’t help that people in WvW tend to throw it in places where no one ever goes, such as that massive area of the floor filled with damage fields that the enemy zerg is just going to run around.

And in case Orb of Wrath was mentioned and I missed it: It’s not good for damage since it has a terrible time tracking enemies and free casting it is a pain in the butt. Its only use is a small self heal. It’s a pointless ‘look guys we gave you more damage to compensate for an undeserved nerf’ gimmick.

Manimarco Devil.1790:

Stand The Wall.6987:

burn guard can apply a lot of vuln and cripple as well.

literally wut? burn guard has no cripple sources from their skills or traits so the only way this is possible is from a sigil. Their only source of vunlerability is f1 if traited to do that which is completely awful and chains of light on scepter which applies 3 stacks.

This is why noone takes the forums seriously.

Wrong.

Zealot’s Aggression applies Cripple on Justice passive proc, Dulled Senses applies Vuln on Cripple application.

DH Burn guard runs both those traits.

InB4 “But I don’t run DH burn guard” And therefor you are still WRONG

DeceiverX.8361:

Stand The Wall.6987:

guard staff is a horrible weapon that is terribly outdated. I don’t know why ppl still run this.

Literally just for lootstick in WvW because it’s free ranged cleave for more bags.

Maybe people will actually dive with the tag, now, instead of just spamming 1 on heavies in the backline while dealing no damage.

What you people don’t really understand is that staff 1 wasn’t the easiest way to farm bags and stay back. DH Burn guard running scepter / ??? and longbow can do it even easier and a lot more safely from the backline.

I’m still not playing the way you think I should and if anything this nerf made it worse once more people realize how much easier burn guardian is to play :>

RabbitUp.8294:

If you went through all the trouble to have a pet chrono, why didn’t you do it on realistic?

34k on unrealistic is low. We are probably still lower than power engi, which seems to be buffed, and has an even easier rotation.

Our only hope is the signet trait now.

Edit: Actually, looking at the traits, we can get 75% crit chance from radiance alone. Add fury to that, and suddenly, precision is useless on guardian.

So, power guardian might be about finding the right gear set, because berserker is wasted on us.

Somethingsomething Power/Condition D/Ferocity. Which doesn’t seem to exist. Maybe this next xpac.

You know what’s funny? A burn guardian sitting in the backline spamming Symbols from Longbow and Scepter, Longbow #5 and purging flames (procing PW dozens of times a fight) is twice as easy and possibly more rewarding than the original staff :>

There is no argument against it. People saying we got easy loot? We still get easy loot with even less effort. All you need is Carrion armor and Dire everything else. A longbow and scepter/???.

People are in here acting like they play Guardian and know anything about it. Acting like they know what’s healthy for the class. I’m still in the backline farming bags no effort. Guardian will always be better at getting no effort loot than you.

This entire argument comes down to “You weren’t playing the way we wanted you to” and I still ain’t.

Alatar.7364:

Burn Guardian can apply 16 stack of Brun like once and then he is out of utillity skills to do so again for quite a time.
If you got so many stakcs of it on you, it means you were standing in Purging flames like it was a stage.
Burn is also the only condi they can apply, so it is super easy to condi clense.
As stated above, this is, with all due respect, l2p issue.

Can’t even apply 16 stacks unless you’re taking pure spike. Even then the target has to be absolutely oblivious to allow this. If you’re taking pure spike it’s so easy to die it ain’t even funny. Staying alive on a Viper’s Guardian running purging flames and the whole hooplah is basicaly: Did a thief or anyone with the ability to power spike look at me? Dead.

I played DH Burn with Carrion and Balth runes this season. I often found my locked down by Engineers, Mesmers and Eles from either condi cleanse or stun spam. The build in any form has two very direct counters and is a one trick pony: I can heal myself heavily and I can burn.