Guild Wars 2

- 18k AP Guardian without a wall in SE P1 wondering why everyone died going ‘I don’t usually have wall I don’t understand why we died we need more deeps’. No staff for might, fine. No wall, you serious buddy?
- 3K ele in CoE dying at every Alpha, never might stacks and QQing about lack of dmg.

They don’t listen, don’t learn, blindly stack and then wonder why entire parties wipe. Everytime I bring a Guard in it feels like shes working overtime just to keep ungrateful phlunts alive. These days best to bring in 3 friends and pug 1 or 2 for an easier time.
AP will go up, but some IQ’s stay the same.

Love the LFG. Been pugging TA/SE/COE/Arah daily and party fills up fast. On the downside, I wish some players actually bother reading the post before joining. Had a few still stupidly hanging at Fireheart even though the rest of the party were in SE instance already. Or asking ‘f/f right???’ when stated is a TA u/u.

Reading. It’s not that hard.

Zaxares.5419:

Last night’s dungeon experience (AC P3) gave me some more insight into why the elitists feel as they do. I joined a group advertising for “P3 – 80’s exp”, since I only had 45 mins before I had to log off. Everybody that joined was indeed level 80, but one player very quickly demonstrated that they had no clue what to do. I had a look at their AP score (980-something), and that pretty much clued me in that this was probably their first time in AC Explorable….

The really scary thing though? The newbie player was wearing T3 Cultural human armor. O.o

Lol that IS scary. I detest people who keep quiet when I ask questions. Usually at the start I’ll ask outright if everyone knows what to do (despite the occasional ‘LFM experienced only’ when I have limited time to play). If they keep quiet, keep making mistakes, being generally unapologetic and continue keeping quiet after repeated advice…waves goodbye

Regina Buenaobra.6193:

Sorry for the confusion surrounding this achievement. It is a bit complex, which makes it difficult to qualify in the sentence we have available in the description. So to help out anyone currently stuck on this one here are some clarifications…….

Hope this helps.

THANK YOU. Did it on first try. Worked like a charm.

- Asking for ‘above 6K ach pts’ won’t solve a thing. It could, however, mean that the play may understand his class better than a 500 ach pointer. No guarantees though. Bad players come with all number of ach pts.
- This dungeon has the most lfg, just look for one that says ‘new’ or ‘all welcome’.
- Matter of preference. After the 4th run, I joined an ‘experienced pls’ lfg and everything went without a hitch. Of course there were a couple of deaths max, but the party knew what they were doing.

- My main problem, however, were newbies who:
1. Said nothing about being new and messing things up.
2. Being new and asked us to explain. Fine. I was in a party with 4 newbies. 2 were following nicely and the other 2 blatantly told me ’I’m too lazy to read guide lulz.‘. Throughout the dungeon they kept hollering ’NOW WHAT??’ at us, expecting me to type out every detail of every step out for them. Do I really have to type ‘avoid red circles or things that look like they hurt’?! Oh, they also started boss fight while I was mid-typing instruction.
3. If you die, wp. Don’t lie there dead for 10 seconds screaming for a rez.

At the final boss, I told them to listen or I will leave the dungeon and nobody gets anything. They listened. Problem solved. I will not pug more than 2 again. The end.

It was fun. All pugs, using party chat only and figured out how to do things along the way. A few wipes and 2 hours, no biggie. Nothing was skipped (yet, anyway) and everyone was open to trying out new things. 2g, a whole inventory of loot and 5 secret chests. Can’t complain.

Now I wanna know what’s Caithe’s secret too. HMMM.

It’s not just you. Jade Quarry server here. Ever since 2 patches ago, the lag for all world events has been horrible. Since the latest Sunless patch, I’ve been experiencing DC at ALMOST every event. It’s terrible that you’ve been fighting for 13 mins and then the game quits on you at the last moment, resulting in no loot.

Seriously, fix this. It’s rubbish.

Galtrix.7369:

A Charr Mesmer. How weird can you get. You have a big hulking charr that you expect can smash you to death with one mighty sweep of his paw, and then he shoots you with a purple laser with butterflies flying around him….

Hahah, I just leveled a female Charr mesmer! Loads of fun doing the laser in CoE and baffling people.

Full CoF armor is boring. Regardless of class. Light and medium for some reason resemble rags.

Bismuth.3165:

I don’t think lupi is a little bit of explaination, since you kind of have to explain any attack that does insane damage, which is 90% of his many attacks…. but other than that, I completely agree.

Haha, true, Lupi takes at least 5 mins to type. Past 2 days I got noobs sneaking into my party and giving him free grubs, getting lost and dying every 10 seconds before giving me a ‘hehe..it’s my first time’ after resetting. The other 4 of us were less than amused.

For all that is holy, please state the fact before the run. Not during, not halfway and not at 75%, before.

It’s not polite to make a party carry you and your mistakes as well as causing multiple wipes before getting a forced confession. That’s just kittenbaggery. And no,
‘but I’m scared you guys will kick me’ isn’t an excuse.

TA: Vine stacking, reflects for Malrona
SE: P1 golems after Nokk, P3 NONONO boss fire rings
CoE: Alpha dodging, P3 destroyer, P1 channeling
Arah: Lupi and what comes after. Nuff said.

All these obstacles can be overcome easily with a little bit of explanation. Instead of aggroing everything and then ‘oops that’s actually my first time’. A little notification goes a long way.

Not having experience and lying about it makes people even angrier. I appreciate the ones who admit it BEFORE causing needless wiping. Denying it while dying every 5 seconds doesn’t help, either.

Dolan.3071:

bitterjo.1695:

Yeahhh that bird also loves aggroing stuff like TA and Arah. So I’d wave at it as I click kick >:D

I think you missed my point. You can’t intentionally summon the bird with Pirate Runes, but you can with the Pirate Sword (town clothes), it acts as a mini in combat, but grats on being yet another ignorant trigger happy kicker. I bet you kick Guardians who try to “DPS” with a Greatsword instead of healing w/ mace.
But seriously, I love trolling guildies with it, oh the rage that starts when they can’t figure out whose it is cause we all have the same tag xD

Congratulations on being ignorant. Parrot/Tropical Bird, same thing. http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Rune_of_the_Pirate Who on earth would switch to town clothes in a dungeon mid fight anyway? LOL!

And no, I use a zerker Guard with a GS. I only kick staff camping Guards, fyi. Thanks for assuming I kick ‘DPS’, troll.

I love the new LFG, makes partying up so much faster. I pug 80% of my runs (about 2-3 per party). The issue isn’t with the tool, it’s with people who don’t bother to read the post. Same for LFG site. Just because I’m pugging doesn’t mean I have to carry their pathetic butts.

- When I say ‘Know how to dodge Alpha’, I’ll kick if they do not dodge by the 2nd Alpha.
- LB Warrior (yeah seriously) for Vines at TA – kick
- Staff camping Guard for ANY dungeon – kick.

Dolan.3071:

bitterjo.1695:

Moral of the story: start your own dungeon instance. I pug 75% of my runs for nearly a year and there have been no issues with ‘getting kicked/ppl selling my spots’ drama.

Oh, but I do kick someone the moment I see that kitten tropical bird. And people who scream ‘REZ ME’ over 5 times when the waypoint is right in front and party is ooc.

Wow mean. I summon my Tropical Bird in dungeons sometimes cause I like to see it flying around… It gives my mini someone to play with while I’m off fighting naughty monsters >:]

Yeahhh that bird also loves aggroing stuff like TA and Arah. So I’d wave at it as I click kick >:D

Bright.9160:

Don’t wanna derail the thread, but check this thread out ASAP before it gets removed.

Best… Thread… ever….

Wow. I thought the Zodiac warhorn is hilarious but this takes the cake. They’d be QQing about Illuminati conspiracies next.

Moral of the story: start your own dungeon instance. I pug 75% of my runs for nearly a year and there have been no issues with ‘getting kicked/ppl selling my spots’ drama.

Oh, but I do kick someone the moment I see that kitten tropical bird. And people who scream ‘REZ ME’ over 5 times when the waypoint is right in front and party is ooc.

I love completing personal story. Did it for my last 7 toons alone without a hitch. This time I brought in my L75 Engie. 3 resets and 2 deaths later, the Champ is still standing. Even with extra endurance elixir, turrets, tons of healing and condition removals, his kitten flies gave me over a minute of poison. What’s more, he resets everytime he hits 50%. This is ridiculous.

EXACT same fight style by Lord Zhim Saliah from the quest ‘Priory Assailed’. I broke 4 pieces of armor and had to wait for a friend to come online before asking him got assistance.

I don’t mind the copying of Lupicus, but if I didn’t have trouble with all my other toons, there’s obviously a problem with the champ. Please change them back to normal. If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it please.

swiftpaw.6397:

There’s another way to do this which involves everyone meleeing and no ranged shenanigans ;D

Yeah, only if they’d listen…usually I get kiting thieves, necros or mesmers for some weird reason.

I run my Guard on sword/focus and GS at vines. In an experienced party the ppl who melee stack on vines, and those who range stand behind the ramp or perch on a high spot where no vines can hit them. This way there will be ZERO aoe rings.

In the vines’ area, they tend to target the ranged. If you suddenly see a lot of circles it means someone’s trying to kite them. To which I’d usually reply ‘They got no legs, bro.’ The problem with thieves is that their class has only 900 range. They CAN stack on you (and live longer with you giving them boons) but they melt if a single circle hits them.

So they expect you to scepter camp and take aggro off them. I’d just ignore them.

The Mexican Cookie.3690:

bitterjo.1695:

sephire.7296:

This happened to me a few days ago – fighting at the end boss then suddenly I see a loading screen and no party. Fortunately, my revenge was more than swift, because I was the leader of the party.

It’s easy to identify these types when you join a group – so either zone in first for insurance, or find another group. I always specify that I am only looking for friendly people for my group.

Slot sellers should just go die in a fire. So far I’ve only seen people selling slots for Arah P4. 25g? Seriously? No dungeon is worth paying for.

Why are you so hostile? My friends and I went through P4 with 4 us just before (few hours ago) and sold the last slot to a very appreciative player for 10g. A lot of people both in my guild(s), and my friends list run paths either solo or as a team and will fill the empty slots with ‘leechers’ at the end. Sometimes we just decide to ‘sell’ our spot at the end of a run as well, if we decide we’d rather have gold than tokens. How is that morally wrong?

Any dungeon path is worth as much as someone is willing to pay for it. If someone would rather do something else and earn gold than spend x amount of time doing a dungeon path, that’s their choice.

I’m referring to those who sell slots, and after you pay, they kick you out and sell that spot. Again and again. Also, buying their way to P4 defeats the purpose of earning the title Dungeon Master.

But you’re right, where there’s demand, there’ll be supply. Kicking a legit player only to sell their slot IS immoral. But if someone advertises honestly on lfg and someone decides that the only way he can complete P4 is to pay for it, so be it. It’s a business transaction. There’ll be scheming sellers just as there’ll be suckers willing to pay to leech for credit. Those are for people unwilling to L2P anyway.

sephire.7296:

This happened to me a few days ago – fighting at the end boss then suddenly I see a loading screen and no party. Fortunately, my revenge was more than swift, because I was the leader of the party.

It’s easy to identify these types when you join a group – so either zone in first for insurance, or find another group. I always specify that I am only looking for friendly people for my group.

Slot sellers should just go die in a fire. So far I’ve only seen people selling slots for Arah P4. 25g? Seriously? No dungeon is worth paying for.

Dolan.3071:

That…. Is genius. I’m gonna do that next PuG, I don’t even care if I get kicked. For guild runs a friendly Warhorn toot to show my support is sufficient

You’re welcome. Go knock ’em dead! XD

Sebulon.7683:

Yeah it sucks, the images stay there forever! Everyone just standing at the end of CoF “Sup bro, why didn’t you leave yet?” “I dunno, just chillin’ here for shiz and giggles. Also looking at those items I got…”

I wish clicking the icons would make them disappear…

+ 5 seconds of small talk after every dungeon for extra bonding time. At least make the items disappear faster.

Yes, it’s terrible annoying.

Dolan.3071:

Wukunlin.8461:

lol those are the only thing that give me stacks cos my scumbag guildies keep killing the golems before I can get to them

Or giving swiftness when you’re trying to jump over the lasers

Ohhhh those screams when a War in my party trolled us by planting a Warbanner in the middle of the lasers. Hilarious and agonizing XD

gotkitten ed.5318:

also, if they wanted a high risk, they would’ve implemented it better.

because no dev is that ignorant to say: “oh, this attack now blocks dodging? let’s just call it a high-risk high-reward weapon”

LMAO not unless I get exotics using a sword on my Ranger. Now that’s something worth dying for

Never been kicked, but my block list has grown past its 50th mark. I block those that I kick so I never have to suffer their presence in any dungeon again. I’m sure all of us run dungeons for money/tokens/chests. Who on earth has time to scheme and plot “Oh let me pug a run with players I know nothing about and slot in my friends at the last moment”? If my friends were online I’d have invited them into my party right from the start. They’re in my friend list for a reason; we play well together.

As Swiftpaw mentioned, we tolerate with a lot of things that get on our nerves. Not using virtues, blocks, condition removals (everyone SHOULD bring their own and not whine to the nearest Ele or Guard), not paying attention, camping in same spot, not rezzing downed, giving attitude. A lot of times I try my best to bear with such things, and my ability to handle crap lessens as the dungeon progresses. So chances are by the time I decided to kick someone, it’d be at least past the 75% mark. Last nerve.

I like the current system. Nothing is more frustrating than a having party mate in Arah who asked if we knew what we were doing (4 DMs including me), died at Lupi P2 over 7 times, demanded we rez his pathetic kitten, and having NOBODY agree to the kick. Because the other 3 decided to give him a chance. We 4-manned the dog. Then the other 3 decided they’ve had enough when he spawned not 1, but 3 wraiths at the final boss of P3. So it’s less of a scam than a ’we’ve had enough of BS’.

thefantasticg.3984:

Now, if only all dungeon mobs/trash was as easy to take down and gave such loot there wouldn’t be any skipping going on …

You’d be amazed at how lazy and idiotic some people can get. P3 door stack mob after 1st boss? Not even that hard, chance of destroyer lodes and ppl still run. Without fair warning. And made the mob port to next boss.

Lord Trejgon.2809:

try to use non-shout skill while leaping (and being middle-air) does it overwrite it?
oh I see anybody should be able to magically bounce and dodge backward while being in the middle of leaping forward.

anyway I grow tired of this section of forum….

If you’re midleap and there’s a red circle, well, sucks to be you. I’m talking auto attack #1. It’s not about dodging MID-LEAP. It’s about being able to do something as simple as a button V while on auto attack. It’s that simple. Every other class, every other weapon does not have that problem. Why only Ranger Sword?

Totally agree. I HATE running past thralls and crablings. They’re easy and give free loot. Been having a few idiots in parties who ran ahead, alllll the way into ALpha’s room. What happens? We get thralls, berserkers, a wraith AND Alpha. Genius.

Thralls gave me 3 pairs of Holographic wings, crystalline dust and crablings gave me Destroyer Lodestones. What’s not to like? Also, if someone gets downed by a Berserker and loses stacks, too bad for them. Don’t dash into those things then.

Lord Trejgon.2809:

Solandri.9640:

Lord Trejgon.2809:

@up technically it isn’t a bug. You can’t dodge while leaping with any skill so why You should be able break leap with dodge on this one?

It is not the leap animation. I tested for that. I manually did the #1 and #2 attacks, waited then dodged, then fired the #3 attack. After I finished leaping back, I still could not dodge. There is something going on after the #2 and #3 attacks (not the leaps), I’m guessing an after-attack animation delay, which prevent you from dodging, but not from using other skills or moving.

I would call this as a bona-fide bug for this reason. Allow dodges to interrupt after-cast animations (assuming that’s what they are), and half the “root” problem goes away. (I say half because if they fixed this, the “root” problem would become a “my character just jumps right back to where it was before I dodged” problem. There’s no getting around that unless you turn autoattack off.)

Let’s try the same with gs skill swoop – If You could dodge immediatelly after hit of it then I’ll admit that You are right

You CAN dodge after GS Swoop skill. I stack on Alpha, Tazza and Nightmare Vines with GS. No different from Guard’s Leap of Faith and still able to dodge all red circles. The issue is chain attacks.

Hmmm, LB5 isn’t much of an issue because it’s a channeling skill like Mesmer’s sword2 and Ele’s Stakitten . You can dodge mid-channeling but it cancels the animation. Just wondering why War’s OH axe has the luxury of still being able to spin for hits even after dodging.

Inconsistencies. On my War, I can dodge mid HB, and dodge while doing offhand axe whirl. Why not on Ranger’s offhand axe whirl? Yes, I dodged without problems while using sword ONLY if I unbound the auto-attack. Why should we have to compromise for one weapon?

Dodging should overwrite any skill. Period.

Oranisagu.3706:

• enter yourself
• play well (that means being a useful teammember, not a ranged only autoattack spammer)
• don’t insult others
• follow the party leader

I never got kicked so far. I don’t play perfectly but I mostly do my part. even if I mess up on a speedrun I don’t get kicked, but it has happened that a party dispanded after doing only one run instead of multiple runs. everybody has a bad day from time to time……

Word. So many griefers online, yet I’ve never experienced being kicked after running dungeons since this game started. I usually kick for the same reasons as most people:
- If you’re new, SAY IT. I teach new people in SE almost daily. COE and Arah sometimes. Provided they LISTEN. If you play dumb and cause the party to wipe more than 3 times, using ’I’m new’ in the middle of a dungeon isn’t legit anymore, sorry.
- Be nice. People who suck at their class but have time to teach others how to play theirs, kick.
- Skip certain things without warning (such kitten P3 door stack after 1st boss), and being a kitten about it after you die. Kick. All I ask for is some courtesy. If you decide to be a hero and run alone, you can die alone. Outside.

Basically if you play well and/or are nice, there will be no problems. Simple as that.

TA, CoE and Arah tops the list

PUG Behavior that makes me kick them: Be a smart aleck, being new to a path and keeping quiet, getting defensive when I try to guide them to prevent further wipes. I kick AND block.

I facepalm when I see guards stick to staff like their lives depended on it. #1 is only good for Arah P3 kiting, and TA. When I see them use it even on bosses I just want to scream. I alternate between scepter/mace and focus/shield and GS. It really depends on the situation. What matters is they shouldn’t be a one-trick pony.

As for gear, by the time a player gets into CoE I expect exotics. Sure, ppl may QQ going ’It’s skill blah blah’ but you can’t deny having exotic stats and accessories increase your survivability exponentially. At least rares, right??

MF gear kittens me off. I don’t care if you have on opal accessories or sigil of luck, but if you die a lot and I find out you’re in MF armor, out you go. I don’t do Fractals, I keep a zerker, knight and clerics set of accessories to swap whenever. All paths of CoE daily for a month and so far so good.

I pug 90% of my runs. Even those on my friend list are wonderful players I met though pugging. All I expect are common sense and a good attitude. Jerks get kicked, plain and simple. Be nice, have fun. That’s the only rule in any dungeons I start.

If someone is new to a dungeon, I fully expect them to confess BEFORE the start and not midway when everyone is fighting for their lives. Silence = we’ll assume you know what to do. I’ve had a 12k ach pt (no kidding) Guard in Arah on full Staff mode and died over 10 times in P3. You gotta be kidding me.

Just happened…even dodge didn’t work. What’s up?

Name: Lily Creme
Profession: Guardian
Traited: AH
Gear: Full Zerker usually. Knights set in inventory. Accessories included.
Experience: Completed all paths. P3 on Guard, War and Mes daily, often P2 as well. Default kiter in P3. Will switch toon according to party make-up. Unless other toons have run that path already.
Time: GMT +8, evenings mostly weekdays and Saturdays.
Others: I also have a Mesmer, Warrior, Thief and Ele with Arah experience.

The focus is a ridiculously good offhand weapon. ESP #5. That bubble shield in TA’s F/F path that insta kills people? You can now waltz through it! In a pinch? Again, #5 blocks!

I only use the shield exclusively for:
TA vines – protects everyone meleeing. Absorbs all the aoes like a boss when WoR is on cd.
SE P1 – those 3 golems before final boss have projectiles, the most painful being massive fire damage and the poison one. Insanely good for group protection, and your team mates will love you for it.

My guard and her fat cat Chauncey. 1 Knights and 1 Zerker set. Yes, I bought 2 pairs of the same boots because they look slimming. :p

Arah isn’t just a dungeon, it is THE dungeon. The final, max level dungeon with awesome gear and weapons. CoF is the equivalent of SAB, Infantile mode. Just like any dungeon (except crap-endless-KD AC), you’ll learn the ropes and get used to it after a while.

haviz.1340:

Last time I had a ranger in arah, his pet was healing lupi while only me and that ranger was left alive. It was impossible to deal enough damage to make lupi permanently stay in phase 3. Conclusion? Pets have negative dps.

Had a great run with a ranger who was using GS on Lupi, downed only once and her pet was doing Search & Rescue on downed team mates a couple hours ago. Exceptional example that it is indeed possible to play ranger well.

I have a Guard, Necro, Ele and Mesmer and who I play depends on party set up. Also, I avoid LFG posts that go ‘Preferably mesmer/war/guard’ because that means you’re gonna be the carry. So, no. There’re sucky players for all classes. Admittedly, for some classes there are more room for mistakes. Don’t care what class you bring in to my party, as long as you play well.

Because I can run an Arah P3 with 3 newbies (with proper explanation in dungeon) faster than an all 80s AC party. The number of people wanting to skip Kholer (he’s so easy, just learn to kitten dodge)/rage quitting is hilarious. Besides, SE, CoE and HoTW all paths are fun dungeons that do not require my guard to waste all utility skills on stability and break stuns all the time.

Nahhhh, keep it. It’s hilarious and the party usually cracks up at the guy who gets thrown into the lava.

Start your own party and dungeons. This way you can play by your rules.
TA: I state ‘Killing hounds and husk’. Gets me a party within 5 mins each time. Those who can’t handle a few puppies, don’t join. Win-win situation.

CoF: I state ‘Killing EVERYTHING’. Those who can’t read my lfg, party kicks. Simple.

Arah: My first time in Arah, the party cleared EVERYTHING outside Lupi’s room. That took about an hour with nothing more than a few piles of incandescent dust. This dungeon’s about picking fights selectively. If I ’m gonna spend more than 2 hrs in a dungeon, I expect more than 60 tokens and 26 silver.

AC: As much as I love Kholer, the post-patched AC is bad. How ironic is it that we can clear SE/HoTW/CoE faster than a level 35 dungeon?

I spent 5000 queuing for Guild Research Economy, and 3 days later I have no upgrade and my influence is gone. This is a small guild, and every bit of influence is hard earned by our few dedicated members. Please look into it.

Fel Vaerdenmer and Merri Sunbower from ‘Conscript of Dead Ships’.
“Now, look here, girlie. I can sail a bantam in a full hurricane. I can sail anything! Stick a toothpick on a turtle and I’ll sail it to Cantha before dawn! "

Best. Line. Ever.

- Sieran, Tybalt and Fogal. <3

I run all paths daily on 3 toons without glitching. (Anyone who suggests so and throw tantrums will be reported and kicked.) There are 5 people in a party. Everyone guests to a different server, find an uncontested entrance, enter. OR all guest to 1 server and uncontest it together. It’s not an issue.

SE, CoE and Arah are among the more entertaining dungeons. With a good party the run can be really fun with a few downs and no deaths. Newbies are cool, only if they listen. And for those who keep saying ‘uncontesting is a waste of time’, you ARE playing a game. If you’re in a rush you should only be doing CoF P1 like the rest of the farmers!

Ever since patch, I have been watching mute cutscenes in my toons’ personal story cutscenes. I even watched Sieran die. In silence. How tragic is that??