Guild Wars 2

So today I was checking some numbers of my Ranger because I wanted to know how I can achieve the highest possible damage while still having the greatest possible defensive stats.

This is the build my calculations are based on:
http://de.gw2skills.net/editor/?fMAQNBMhVakoqyOySwi1WQsKsnODNxJWhD9F4UgK/fxKlIB-TsAA1CnIoSRljKDVSqsUNoY9x8DA

This is a power based build.

My question basicly was, what is better:
1) Soldiers Amulet + Berserkers Jewel
or
2) Knights Amulet + Jewel

1)The first setup offers higher base damage + higher critdamage and a lot more Toughness

Weapondamage: 3025
Crit Chance: 20%
Crit Damage: 23%

2) The second setup offers higher crit chance and more health, while at the same time lower toughness and lower attack damage

Weapondamage: 2762
Crit Chance: 47%
Crit Damage: 18%

By just looking at these numbers, I thought that option 1) will offer the highest average damage while 2) would give me the highest spikes. I was wrong.

First, I need to calculate the actual Damage a critical hit deals:
Weapondamage x (Crit Damage + 150%) = Damage on crit

1) = 5233.25
2) = 4640.16

Second, I wanted to know the average damage I can deal:
Weapondamage + Damage on crit x Crit Chance = Average Damage

1) = 4071.65
2) = 4942.8752

So basicly, the average damage of the Knights is a lot higher, while the Soldiers + Berserkers gives pretty nice damage spikes.

The Defensive stats differ as follows:

1)
Health: 23222
Armor: 2799

2)
Health: 26312
Armor: 2230

Based on these stats, what Amulet would you pick for sPvP?

Zenith.7301:

Puandro.3245:

Zenith.7301:

Against heavy condition cleanse you will.

Not that your cleric is making you hit much harder. I don’t see your ricochets in cleric hitting for more than 300-400 on a bunker ele.

Good luck killing a guardian on a power build.

Power build does 120% more damage then Apothecary. Your 500 damage hits become 1,100 + im giving my pet might and crippling for it.

Bunker guard or Ele wont die to either ranger specs if they are good and if they are bad they will so i see no issue here.

Condi ranger easily debunkers any guardian, I don’t know what you’re talking about. A guardian has limited removal relative to the ele. And I would have killed the ele fine if my pet actually hit. When the ele tried to melee me and I stood still, his hp started dropping fairly fast.

Your power build is susceptible to dodges and classes that use vigor more than mine — dodging doesn’t negate condition damage already applied. Condition builds continue to damage when you’re being kited. Condition builds ignore the effect of toughness stacking, and many bunkers stack toughness at the expense of vitality. My damage can be spread across targets and my pressure doesn’t vanish the moment I switch targets. My build affords me a greater variety of offhand choices, whereas yours is stuck with warhorn as the only useful power based offhand with lengthy cd’s on both abilities and aoe on neither.

I can switch to shortbow/sword+torch and be as effective as I am with axe+dagger/sword+torch, whereas the same transition cannot be said of your build. Your axe would be even worse than it is on a condition build in sustained damage, and you can try greatsword if you want for what little good it will do you against any opponent that can kite/dodge maul (which is the majority of greatsword damage, since its auto is really bad even on berserker gear).

Aeri.5738:

So why exactly did you open this thread?
to complain or to get a solution?
you didn’t try anything and yet you still say we are wrong.

To point out pet uptime, troll. I’m not going to continue down this path with you so go bore someone else with the strawmans and see if they bite.

And I pointed out a solution for that. A discussion with you is pointless since you are immune to arguments.

But I dont give up my hope in humanity and say it again: if you want a better uptime for your pet, you have 1 trait and 3 utility skills to make that possible + cripple, stuns and swiftness from your weapons. If you cant manahe to use that, its not a game problem – its player problem.

For the powerbuild discussionn everything is said. To sum it up for you again: there are a lot of viable powerbuilds for you to choose. And with every build comes pros and cons – deal with it.

wow, this is totally new!
so new that it totally deserves it’s own thread instead of posting it in the sticky

Zenith.7301:

Against heavy condition cleanse you will.

Not that your cleric is making you hit much harder. I don’t see your ricochets in cleric hitting for more than 300-400 on a bunker ele.

Good luck killing a guardian on a power build.

solrik.6028:

Zenith.7301:

The first thing a designer will tell you is to give them your opinion, not play armchair designer and come up with “fixes” for them. Often what players suggest is what designers will dismiss and fix it their own way. So I don’t bother, and leave the fix up to them.

“Many ranger weapons also have horrendous sustained damage due to crappy autoattacks like ricochet or greatsword or longbow. A ricochet hitting for 197 damage when the opposing bunker ele is hitting for 700 lightning lashes two times for 1400 damage is just dumb. We don’t have the group utility of an ele or engineer or the burst both can have while even bunker so at the very least the sustained damage of our pet should have uptime on a target if our personal damage is to remain so miserable.”

Where are the numbers coming from? Where are the calculations that actually show this? Why are you dismissing the fact that richochet bounces and that Richochet has 900 range while the other only has 200 range?

Combat log, spvp. Bunker ele duels.

Without traps you ain’t kiting any ele worth his salt and he can pretty much cleanse cripples/chills/roots off him multiple times. So raising that range issue is moot. If you can easily have uptime on someone as a d/d ele the difference in range is pointless, because you can apply that attack under most circumstances (and especially as a bunker ele).

Lightning whip is 300 range btw. I’ll trade 197 ricochets on one bunker to 400 lightning whipsx2 (the auto hits twice) on another bunker.

The ele bunker works because he has various sources of damage, so even on a cleric or celestial amulet he’s got burning application and bleeds to pressure boon spammers.

The bunker ranger’s damage, whether condition or power, is centered on the pet, and when the pet can’t hit that moving ele with swiftness and his chill fields and auras and stun auras it’s a kitten problem.

Because your little cleric ranger sure as hell isn’t going to outdamage his self healing and pass through his protection and stability boons by itself. You need the pet’s damage.

So why exactly did you open this thread?
to complain or to get a solution?
you didn’t try anything and yet you still say we are wrong.

I run a Power based BM build and I am extremely successfull in sPvP and solo WvW roaming.

They keypoints of my build are the dependable super high burst damage and the great sustain.
With me and my Pet having 25% more Movespeed + super long speedbuff uptime with warhorn and RaO sticking to my enemy is no deal – if I want to.
My Pet has no issues sticking to my target since I can apply almost constantly cripple.
QZ offers a sick burst, even more if you combine it with petswap.
Best thing to do is to way for the wolve knockdown, switch to Jaguar and start the slashing.

While having a great amount of damage, my build also offers awesome survivability.
Protect on dodge, good armor and health, and vigor whenever I need it I can engage and leave any fight whenever I want.

Shortbow 3 + LR + Sword 2 + 180° turn + Sword 2 brings me miles away
(works even better with GS, you might wanna try and practice this move)

Here is the build, try it out:
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fMAQNBMhVakoqyOySwi1WQsKsnODNxJWhD9F4UgK/fxKlIB-TsAA1CnIoSRljKDVSqsUNoY9x8DA

the only class I tend to lose against are mesmers, because they are freaking mesmers.

Sounds SOOOOOOOOOOOOOO GOOD!

More customization + actuall stuff to do (besides farmin for a legendary which I will never get anyways)

So here is my story:

I quit GW2 ~3-4 Months ago because in PvE there is only grinding and in PvP my pet was useless.

I know tryed a few sPvP matches because I was bored and I wanted to give the ANet devs a second chance.

PvE is still boring as hell, but sPvP got quite fun with the ranger.
The pet has a decent AI now (althouh still room for improvements), the Damageoutput you can achieve is nice while still having very good defensive skills.

My Build is Sword/Axe + SB, Powerbased with pet focused utilities (QZ+Sick’Em)
I use jaguar and wolve.

When I started my matches yesterday I joined an empty server to get used to the game again.
First it was 1v1 against a Necro which I ripped apart (he was not that good anyways)
Soon it became 1V2 and later 1v3 (Thief, Ranger and said necro) and I still managed to beat them all because of my Pets.
While Sword, SB and lightning reflexes made me super evasive, my pet dealt huge amounts of damage and I only needed to finish them

So I had a lot of fun in sPvP and i’d love to see a reason to do dungeon runs again.
with the legendary being the only long time goal I dont see any reason to farm more dungeon tokens ^^
(and by long time goal I mean ~ 10 Months – I can propably play 1-2 hours a day MAXIMUM)

soon I will try some new pets to see if I can find some new ways to play my ranger.
For me tha ranger is the most versatile class → most fun.

Quit too, but not because of the ranger. Ranger is fine and a lot of fun to play.
I quit because there is nothing to achieve for me.

We have plenty cd removal, in fact I dont fear condition builds at all!

good point 123456

Dante Dragonhand.2538:

Why would you decrease the damage… that makes no sense and is a stupid idea. They should just rework the kitten bow.

READ what I wrote.
THINK about it.
POST your answer.

First, we try the magic Jon Peters summon:

“Oh dear Jon Peters,
hear our calls!
We summon you, oh lord of game design!”

The longbow IS a great weapon with fun mechanics (people may argue about the damage, but with our new pet 3 becomes a lot better!)

The only thing really bothering me is it’s uselessness in sPvP.
as you all know, if not at max range the shortbow deals more damage than the longbow with more mobility. While the longbow is designed to deal damage from far away and keep people there, it’s greatest strenght is the super long range.

In sPvP there is almost NO place where you can utilize this range.
Battle for Kylo? maybe 2 spots, but horrible at clocktower.
Foefire? Maybe the only map where it’s not completely useless…
Forest of Niflhel: every Point is guarded by structures, no efficient use possible.
Temple of the Silent Storm: again, only very few spots
Capricorn: seriously, nobody likes that map anyways…

In most cases you are forced to get closer to your target and can almost never make use of your range.
In addition most of your other skills have shorter range, again forcing you to come closer.

A possible solution would be to decrease the range of the longbow to 1300 (traited) while buffing its damage in mid and long range further.
I know, you already shuffled some numbers for the longbow, but that was obviously not sufficient since so many people complain about it.
The LB may be great for defending Structures in WvWvW but in the very fast sPvP scenarios it’s always a mistake to pick a longbow.

It’s all about skill 5, 4offers no utility at all with no outstanding damage.
Skill 5 let’s you stack vulnerability kitten fast on crippled targets or when you are cc’ed anyways a lot of fun after dodging through 100Blades or in a invisible field of a thief

As defensive skill it works wonders against kill shot or rapidfire skills. The immobility is not an actual problem when you stand in your own regeneration field or a combo field of an ally.

Just don’t use it to deal damage, sword 1 has higher dps.

ps: there seemed to be 2 minor mistakes in both builds, I changed 1 trait in each build. updated links above.

Hey there!

I tryed a lot of different builds recently, especially with the now better working pet in mind.
I had a great deal of fun and success with both builds!
They focus on Power+Crits with a good deal of survivability. In fact, you can easily fight 2 enemies at once, shred bunker builds into pieces and show those almighty thiefs who’s the real king of the jungle!

SW/Axe + Axe/WH
The Bunker Breaker, or: “How to send guardians to dust”
http://www.intothemists.com/calc/index.php?build=-FF77-0-wEFx-r2NEV-0;9k23;19OT-40;030-52B;45BW0U;1PcW5PcW55BW

(copy paste to watch the build)

Focuses on heavy crits and evades while also being a forgivable build due to high survivability.
Axe in the offhand is an awesome weapon and can be used defensively for blocking arrows or agressively by stacking vulnerability like a mad lumberjack!

The wolve is your best friend with his super CC abilities and his decent damage output.
Since pets better hit moving targets quickening zephyr lets your pet also rampage like it should.
Muddy terain and a lot of cripple/freeze from your weapon sets result in great synergy between you and your pet.
Try it – love it.

SB + SW/Axe
Hybrid Survivability Powerbuild with Petfocus aka the “1vX Build” (tested ^^)
http://intothemists.com/calc/?build=-FV-F7;0wEFx-r2VDV-0;9;5ETJ4;10;058A45;2I-k3U;1LNW4LNW46gc

(copy paste to watch the build)

This build offers even more survivability and movement while utilising the pet even more.
You can kite your enemies while dealing loads of damage from attacks, bleeds and your pet.
Again, Wolve is your main pet, but switching to jaguar with QZ+ Sick’em while constantly crippling your enemy will melt their faces in seconds.

I tryed both builds in sPvP and tPvP aswell as WvWvW.
They are really fun to play in every situation.

Note: there is no perfect build, so these builds will have some enemies being stronger against you. While encountering different players in WvWvW i often switched the last wilderness survival trait for condition removal or damage reduction under 30% and also sometimes using Signet of Renewal as 3rd utility skill.

If you don’t switch utilites in matches, dont blame the build for being melted by either condition or powerbuilds.
It’s your responsibility to analyse the enemy team and take countermeasures!

I’d love to read your critics after you tested those builds!

Nice idea, but I would rather not change the skills tooo much.

You idea works great with skill 4, affecting knochback range and damage the longer you charge the skill.

10k @ Jormag (fully debuffed and buffed etc.) with 50% berserker gear

Glasscannon Greatsword warriors also instant die in AoE in dungeons, why would it be different for glascannon pets?
Pick something tanky or ranged for god sake…

Oh Did the other children get a response and you didn’t? Here, have a cookie.

Seriously, we got enough response for now, they said they are working on the bugs and that is fine for now. Complains about posts in the forum are not helping. In fact, if they were only takign care of the forums they couldn’t fix anything.

get over it.

Dardamaniac.1295:

this prove that dueling is more exiting than this bad conquest-bunker-roamer thing that we are playing for 3 months now..

Aeri.5738

This makes me want to duell people to practice those situations.
Glad ANet finally gave us this possibility in the 13/3/7 patch!

When did they said that?

Carefull, sarcasm!
http://02d9656.netsoljsp.com/SarcMark/modules/user/commonfiles/loadhome.do

This makes me want to duell people to practice those situations.
Glad ANet finally gave us this possibility in the 13/3/7 patch!

JonPeters.5630:

teg.1340:

Volley is still not effected by Crack Shot trait. Tooltip says 8s cooldown, but actually its 10s.

TY. I’ll fix this tomorrow for the build on the 14th.

Jon

Out of the warrior forums xD

Build?

1234567890 enough characters!

If they don’t fix rangers I’m going to post a picture of an angry mob, I’m dead serious!

Tribant.8127:

Just found this build on gw2guru. Not sure if this is the same or a variant of it but it looks like it could be something like it.

http://www.intothemists.com/calc/index.php?build=-FF77-0-wEFx-r2NEV-0;9k23;19OT-40;038-52B;45BW0U;1PcW5PcW55BO

copy paste if its a bad link. I lose at the internet apparently

that’s my build you found there (http://www.guildwars2guru.com/topic/74948-1h-sword-build/), and I can tell you it shreds people to pieces.
Offers great defensive posibilites and a huge damage output.
Only thing that hurts you are (ofc) thiefs and people who manage to kite you.

Played it a long time in sPvP and Tournaments, and the biggest advantage is, that people just don’t expect the things you do.

Mostly the same video as before, still nothing special to see here.
I quit watching after few minutes when you were fighting against 2 and both of them were focusing your pet…
Mostly you beat the hell out of bad/low players which everybody can do.
You didn’t present nice skill usage at all, just some boring scenes.

Again: use commentary to show what you think you did very well in particular or use slow motion scenes.
Killing a dude who is attacking your pet is NOT skill…

The build itself is nice, the video is not, sry.
You show many situations in which you finish people with half their health, dont see how that’s a proof for anything.
Not saying you are a bad player or something, but your video skills are really not good ^^

But hey, room for improvement ;-)

I suggest record in higher fps rate and putting in some slow-motion to show off some nice moves/evades.

Also some commentary would be nice, if not in speech at least in text form as video subtitles.
It’s always interesting to see the thoughtprocess behind the decisions you make in real combat.

I think ANet should show some respect towards the players!

They already lose their massive playerbase…
Almost 40 Players of my guild quit already. No particular reason, most of them just didnt like the game anymore (for several reasons, pve, pvp, wvwvw, class mechanics etc. pp.)

thats a PvE build!

Why don’t you just create a build and let us comment on it and give you our thoughts?
that will suit your needs far better.

Just to make it clear: I did not get kicked because of lack of skill, I didn’t even have time to proof what I’m capable of. I got invited, they saw I’m a ranger and then kicked me with the above explanation.

I do not say that happens 24/7, but it actually happened before already.
Most of the groups don’t complain about rangers, thats true. But I never saw a group kicking anybody for there class – except me for being a ranger twice.

“Sry, we can’t take you along, we will need at least SOME damage”
And then I got kicked

They are crap
some crafting mats you will get anyways for free and very ugly skins (which you propably will get also for free)

nothing awesome to get here, just wasted 17g on a 10 pack.

and here we go, another 15 pages thread with people hoping for Jon Peters to reply besides his “Wait another 8 weeks” post…

Seriously, if you don’t have the manpower to maintain your game, hire people!
And why are there SO MANY BUGS in the first place after so many beta weekends?

I’m off to the thiefs forum to forgett about how badly and unfair we rangers get treated.
Pretty much hate this forum right now, hatred increasing every single day.
Only seeing the thies starting to flame makes me feel somehow better. I guess it’s the understanding of “no matter how hard arena net decides to kitten up you class, other classes can get kittened up even more”

Ok, thats even more dissapointing than expected…

Utility reworks? oh come on…

kittentorm in a view minutes inc.
(if patch really is comming then)

You people just don’t get it and complain against glass canons being glass canons…
L2P? L2Understand-your-class
+ I’m talking about pets being fixed, so you guys can stop talking about pets not hitting moving targets…

I guess you will never get my arguments, so there is no point in trying to explain that to you any further.

Xylith.4873:

Aeri.5738:

I stilll think that the overall ranger damage is fine, just the pet’s need to get fixed completely to let us use our full potential.

You can think that, but it doesn’t make it true

My pet constantly deals 2.5-4k crits.
Add this to your 2k Longbow crits and finally realize the damage potential we have.

I stilll think that the overall ranger damage is fine, just the pet’s need to get fixed completely to let us use our full potential.

I see, I did a mistake with Signet of stone.
It’s supposed to be muddy terain.

Rampage as One is nice, but I also like Entangle to laugh at thiefs and mesmers.
especially a stealthed thief entangeled in combination with axe5 is a almost-dead-thief (+ considering most of them stealh to regain some health, I found a lot of them dropping dead instead ;-) )

Here is a new version:
http://www.intothemists.com/calc/index.php?build=-FF77-0-wEFx-r2NEV-0;9k23;19OT-40;038-52B;45BW0U;1PcW5PcW55BO

ps: that Build Calculator is the most awesome one I found until now ^^
pps: copy paste or bad link!

can we all have an agreement, that pointing out warriors damage 100x a week is the upper limit? you just did it the 101st time, and it slightly starts to annoy people.
Yes, right now we are below warriors in terms of damage, and gues what: it’s going to stay like that cause our pet deals a large amount of our damage.
so you will never see huge crits like that, rather than 2 medium crits of you and your pet.

and now for god sake just w8 until the update for more complaints…

Hey guys!

I really enjoy the sword in sPvP right now, but I’m not quite sure how to build.
There is only 1 trait directly affecting it (20% cooldown reduction) and I think thats kinda useless.

So here is my build for now, hope you guys can help me out ,-)

http://www.intothemists.com/calc/index.php?build=-FF77-0-wEFx-r2NEV-0;9k23;19OT-40;038-52B;45BW0U;1PcW5PcW55BO^

(hint: copy paste!)

Any ideas?

Imho it offers nice survivability with good DPS and controll.
Freeze and imobilization lets your pet attack more frequently and your have protection and vigor up almost all the time!

your link is crap, doesnt work.

Skychok.7854:

Second, your argument is flawed. It’s really not that hard to dodge grenades and bombs. If you find these two weapon kits overpowered you should learn to dodge and sway. It’s not that hard. Bombs and grenades are much harder to land considering they are ground targeted. They’re fine.

Instead of saying x is overpowered, how about improving other aspects of a profession to make everything else on par. You’re wanting ArenaNet to nerf the engineer’s only viable source of damage apart from the rifle, which isn’t fair.

This thread is about rangers, please stay on topic!

I agree on every single point you made

Should be optainable via a few silver coins, not for gems.

1c undercut is no problem in my opinion, the real problem is greedy people who destroy the prices for good items.
I have a little example attached.
As you can see, people undercut themselves by 50s in 1 step.
That’s just plain stupid and the item lost value of ~50% in a few steps.
People need to learn how to sell items…

PS: there where buying orders of ~2,50g before that…

Hey guys, I just hit 80 and now I’m wondering what’s the best gear for my ranger.
I want to go superglass cannon and let my pet tank mobs (worked pretty fine while leveling), so what is the best damage gear I can go for?

Hey there!
T5 mats used to be at about 14-16c each a few days ago.
Right now, the price went up extremely! (40c each, thats more than double!)

Is there any reasonable explanation for this?
Are the prices going back down in a few days?