How 70 thousand replies and they have not a single comment on this.
You have no heals nor healing power, you are not going to be standing on a point for long.
Get over it, not gonna change.
This is the attitude that killed pvp in this game. That is saying a lot for a GW1 successor.
should have here a year ago, you could not even get pvp games started. They squandered gw1 pvp fanbase with this sequel, they are slowly crawly out of the whole they dug them selves.
meanwhile anet is busy making more content for the living story. if i wanted episodic stories so much, i’d watch a good tv series—not settle for video game puppet shows.
seriously, GW2 is supposed to be a game and anet doesn’t seem to know the priority is supposed to be on core gameplay features.
My advice, take a hiatus, i took a 1 year hiatus a while back when warriors were essentially unplayable in pvp and the game was one big kite fest, took them about a year, but warriors are decent now.
armor in this game is entirely cosmetic.
Not completely or there would not be a difference in the defense on the pieces.
Damage reduction gap with a 200 point difference (which is the base gap from cloth to plate) between the softer clothie and the heaviest plate is 10%.
After items the difference is negligible if you gear for it, and every class can ger for it just the same.
The problem is that armor value is not tied to the type of armor you wear but to the stats combinations on it. Only a small fraction of it is tied to the type. Every class being able to reach 2800 armor through items alone, make armor class irrelevant.
Armor is cosmetic.
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When it comes to active v. passive play, I’ll take active play any time. I’d rather not see my heavy armor characters pigeon-holed into more passive play in a game that was sold based on the idea of active play. So, no thanks to this suggestion.
yea because that worked wonders for this game pvp scene. just in case, im being sarcastic
armor in this game is entirely cosmetic.
My guess is Balancing issues and PvP/WvW.
For example, let’s say all Off-Hand items can have their skills swapped. Well, I -love- the look of a shield on a Guardian but I’d be an idiot to use anything but a focus as the Off-Hand as it’s #5 skill is more powerful than Annie’s Hair Curlers. If I could put that skill on my bar while wielding a Shield? I’d be happy, very happy indeed. But it’d probably confuse people in WvW or PvP if I did that.
Not to mention imagine what else I could put there? There would be certain combinations of skills that would ultimately become devastating and imbalanced.
He means the position on the action bar, not the skill that goes there.
This by the way shows how much gw2 has regressed the development of the genre.
Changing keybindings does not help, because key binds on this game are to positions not skills. What he wants to do is to is have the sword teleport and the GS teleport on the same button, not one be on 2 and the other on 3 when they both perform the same function.
You know, i asked for this way back then, thats why i know and tell you, this has been brought up before, it is perfectly logical, too bad logical is just not Anets game. Has not been for a while now.
This has been requested since day one, not that hard to implement, if they havnt implemented it yet 23 months in its because they dont want to.
You can swap stability for condi removal in bow, if it fits your stile better. This build has the same dps as AH but much higher healing for your self and your party, plus knock downs. And you can bunker as well. the only thing AH does better is chasing.
I would much rather they made the guardian tougher, with more sustain while on the offensive and increased the miserable hp pool. No the trait that its 6 deep and we need for something else does not count.
Much rather they made it an all in class, but a proper paladin, than a rogue wannabe in meaningless plate armor.
No? I don’t want to be a warrior clone, I want ports, bursts, fast stuff. I like the idea of a suporting glasscannon class but in order to make glass work in this gamemode you need to be somewhat mobile.
ninja guard > facetank warrior clone
Play a thief or a mesmer
I think you missed a part of what I said.
Meditation guardian is already a thing, you have ports, burst and support in one build. As I stated before the disengage/mobility is the last thing it’s missing to be as viable as other zerkers in high level tpvp.
If you want something that is tough, has no ninja stuff and a high hp pool you are probably the one who should switch classes and play warrior.
Apart from that it’s way too late for me to change classes ^-^
No, Guardian aka paladin is a warrior healer hybrid, not healer thief.
Where do you get a preview of the balance patch and its eta?
Try the 2 handed DPS build from Silven’s Guide: http://tinyurl.com/kjhnvt5
(Silven’s sticky thread here)It’s basically an AH Bunker build with a zerker amulet, but it’s a great hybrid between a bunker and DPS build. You can hold points nearly as well as a pure bunker build since so much defense comes from traits anyways. At the same time, you have enough damage to down enemies.
It’s a terrible 1 v 1 build, so don’t use it for roaming, but if you stick with your team, you’ll rock it in team fights.
Personally, I like this build a lot for solo Q since it’s versatile enough to work for a random team. If you don’t have a bunker, you can do a decent job on holding points, particularly since you have so much CC. If you end up with other bunkers though, you will be able to down enemies instead of getting stuck in a long standoff.
Terrible build for spvp in my opinion, you have to run around with2 other team mates ALL the time or you are dead.
Try this out. You are tough as a bunker and while your dont have crit your self, spirit weapon damage gives you essentially the equivalent of 100% crit chance, plus the know down utility. I never bring both weapons out, but rather rotate through them to always keep one up. ofcourse you could burst by poping both.
http://en.gw2skills.net/editor/?fVAQNAR5el0ApIoVBxVIEENh8QlVdU9EEAPA2RxWMpA-TJBHwALLDA4IAAb/hAHEAA
I would much rather they made the guardian tougher, with more sustain while on the offensive and increased the miserable hp pool. No the trait that its 6 deep and we need for something else does not count.
Much rather they made it an all in class, but a proper paladin, than a rogue wannabe in meaningless plate armor.
No? I don’t want to be a warrior clone, I want ports, bursts, fast stuff. I like the idea of a suporting glasscannon class but in order to make glass work in this gamemode you need to be somewhat mobile.
ninja guard > facetank warrior clone
^This.
I prefer being squishier and having that power moved somewhere else more interesting (typically to ability power).
Play a thief or a mesmer
Shouldn’t focus #5 (SoW) replace Shield #4 (SoJ)?
Thinking about it logically, the shield should have shields and the focus should be more magic based. SoJ would fit better on the focus, because it is a magical item giving protection to allies and oneself. The shield should be used to block, so let the focus be used to give protection, regeneration, and apply blinding.
The only reason why I think Anet put SoW on the focus is because of balancing issues. Would a shield with two blocks on it be over powered?
If SoJ must be on the shield, then there should be a knock back on it that pushes up to five enemies 1200 range. Personally, if the switch was made I would be using the shield a lot more, but I would also use the focus depending on the situation. As it is now, I rarely, if ever, equip a shield.
Am I way off here? Anybody have any other ideas? Agree or disagree?
Agree but ths is a game where 5 out of the 8 playable classes are tougher than the paladin, including several casters and ranged classes. And they use a GS as a laser cannon.
Look i play and 90% of the time (like here) using paladins. I love the concept but for the life of me, there is something in the class that fries games designers brains.
Honest advice, Guardian is the Cooler class, while warriors are the Better class.
Mind elaborating in detail, through traits and gear along with how the guardian works in a group of 5 to not be as ‘good’ as a warrior?
Raw damage build warrior is better, period. Support they can do this
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fJAQFARgMkittenGA4kmAA-TxBBABBp+DUK/A4BAIrSwi2foVzfzoDAA-e
which grants them 900 passive self healing, shout healing the party for 2500k on short cool downs, as well as gratting better buffs like Fury instead of 1 or 2 stacks of might. Keep a good amount of attack power and 40%crit through fury and you still have 5 traits to customize further. All while having a decent 2800 armor and 21k hp pool.
So on my Zeal trait line I don’t/never use
Shattered Aegis (V), Revenge of the Fallen (IV), Binding Jeopardy (I), External Spirit (X), Scepter Power (IX), Wrathful Spirits (XI), Kindled Zeal (XII), Amplified Wrath (XIII)
On my Radiance line I don’t/never use
Healer’s Retribution (I), Shimmering Defense (III), Inner Fire (IV), Searing Flames (V),
Radiant Fire (VII), A fire Inside (VIII), Radiant Retaliation (XIII)On my Valor Line I don’t/never use
Strength of the Fallen (III), Defender’s Flame (II), Honorable Shield (IX), Communal Defenses (XIII)
On my Honor line I don’t/never use
Wrathful Spirit (I), Protective Reviver (IV), Battle Presence (XII)
On my Virtues Line I don’t/never use
Permeating Wrath (XI), Purity of Body (XIII), Retaliatory Subconscious (IV)
A lot of Zeal/Radiance traits aren’t being used in any aspects (Pve, PvP, WvW) and in order to use few good traits Guardians lose too many useful utilities. I hope on the next upcoming guardian discussion we get some revamped traits and actually useful grandmaster traits (old/new) alike.
Most of those traits don’t need a revamp. Its not Anets fault that most of the guardian community is hog tied to certain ideas pertaining to the class and refuse to let them go to explore other things.
Yeah, who could think that they should sell what people want to buy….
Look i play and 90% of the time (like here) using paladins. I love the concept but for the life of me, there is something in the class that fries games designers brains.
Honest advice, Guardian is the Cooler class, while warriors are the Better class.
I would much rather they made the guardian tougher, with more sustain while on the offensive and increased the miserable hp pool. No the trait that its 6 deep and we need for something else does not count.
Much rather they made it an all in class, but a proper paladin, than a rogue wannabe in meaningless plate armor.
Best don’t know, worst definitely Guardians Scepter.
GUARDIANS SHOULD NOT HAVE RANGED WEAPONS PERIOD.
I notice it with my guardian in spvp a lot. When you are roaming they lag behind you, far behind you, so far that puts their activated abilities out of range, even when you might have reached melee.
Bow is the worst offender, it casts an aoe heal, centered on it self, which is often right in the middle of nowhere.
Summons like turrets, spirit weapons and so on, are useless in boss fights, because they get blown up by every random AOE the boss throws. This needs to be changed, they need to be destroyed only if the boss strikes at them directly.
Also, summons in general are bugged as hell, they always run miles behind you, making their activated skills rather useless, half the time they dont strike your target or agro every random mob in the map.
They need to move and react fast enough to keep up with you, and they need to follow your targeting patterns, if you are auto attacking they should lock on your target and break off when you do.
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If your AH bunk Guard is dying like a squishy thief…
Dodge roll more. Spam your boons (within reason) around your teammates and LoS and empower. You’ll find that in the heat of things it’s nearly impossible to die with symbol, dodge heal, and AH ticking all over. Aegis, blind and other blocks and RF are there to improve your sustain. You should also feel like a god with aegis blocks for teammates, instant healing, on-demand protection, and mite stax.
Bunker is fine, never said it wasnt, but it is not the only thing it should be viable.
If you don’t like/can’t play bunker (Guard bunk so guud) you can try Triple Meditation Burst Guard. If you’re doing it right with Trip Med, people should be reeling from ridiculous front-loaded damage, and you should be able to chase with ports and hydromancy and hopefully win. By the way, you either are good/lucky and you win, or you fail hard while getting focussed and die.
Ah yes, full front load, blinks to target, squishy, heals here and there, what does that remind me of? Oh yeah right the rogues in like every RPG known to man… including GW1.
Offensive guardian plays more like a thief than like a warrior, which sucks, that is not what i picked a full metal clad avatar for.
Give more base HP and I’ll be so OP with all my aegis, regen, protection, dodge, blind, blocks and invulnerability. If you can’t survive with all that, you playing it wrong.
Pro tip, every class has access to the same thing. And blocking 2 hits in an engagement through aegis, is not going to make up for 5k hp i am missing.
There needs to be other viable builds than full healer/full bunker with out this class being and feeling as squishy as playing a thief.
Give aegis/blind/blocks/invul to other classes .
They dont need them, they already are tougher than guardians.
Man what game are you playing? It’s not GW2…
Some how, you apparently think that regardless of the soulless void that is PVP in a game that is a successor to a pvp focused game, this kind of pvp design/balancing is something desirable or even that people want. Despite pvp being dead 4 months into the release of the game.
Give aegis/blind/blocks/invul to other classes .
They dont need them, they already are tougher than guardians.
10k Base hp is just a no go for Guardians, it makes the paladin GW equivalent just as squishy as thief and Eles.
The fact that you put a trait that gives you 300 vit, should be telling how bad the class needs the HP.
It is simply too stats restrictive.
Does not need be 18k like the warrior, but it should at the very least be 15k. As it stands every class in the game is tougher than a Guardian, save Eles and Thiefs.
Now it’s just a question of how long until the ‘next game’ comes out.
pff, like hell it is, after what they squandered from GW1 to GW2 im not touching GW3 with a 3 feet pole. In fact i actively recommending against GW2
Each region has 128 teams participating. That’s 640 players per region or 1280 total not counting subs. We had more teams than that sign up, so more like 1500 players signed up.
1500 US wide, on a free event, on a game they already own…. SPVP is dead, just let it RIP already…
Go warrior, warriors have just as or more sustain that guardians and pack a better punch at the same time, guardians have to sacrifice one to dothe other.
to be honest, the starting hp pool for guardians is right down pathetic, you are less tanky than 2 out of the 3 clothies out there.
Playing offensive GS you are litteraly as thin as a rogue, with much the same mechanics, exchanging stealth for heals through meditations.
In all honestly there is a fundamental disconnect between what most my self included think a paladin should be and what the guardian is.
Do you really need a qualifier for the 20 people that still do spvp.
pro tip this threads were common when i left 1 YEAR ago.
Not too complex, you just bad.
Its too complex for viewers. That is the point everyone is making. And sadly I have to agree.
PVP is a great, fast paced game that forces you to make quick decisions and process a lot of information.
But spectators can’t digest all of that info.
neither can player, thats why it was dead 4 months after lunch
I rather the devs polishing GW2 than GW1
Rather they scrap the classes and go back to the drawing board.
Tired of rushing 10 minutes dungeons, hopping through mobs, which invariably end up killing some one.
People dodge them because they are not worth killing, exp is irrelevant, gold is too little, and they yield nothing else. Very hard to argue for doing the dungeon right when it is not in their best interest.
My suggestion, make them yield karma. Not much like something like 20 or so, enough so that at the end of the dungeon if you cleared it yielded something like 800 or so karma or what ever floats the boat.vv
i meant amount of usable character skills aka action bar buttons.
Is Guild Wars 2 PvP too complicated to be consumable by the the mass esport audience?
There’s the whole build aspect of the game, which requires a lot of analysis and reanalyzing as you go in order to put together an effective build.
- Guild Wars 2 has a lot of systems players need to understand in order to create an effective attribute setup.
- While you’re crafting your attribute setup you must also consider what weapons play to those strengths.
- Additionally you need to consider what 5 slot skills play to the strengths of your attribute setup.
- You also need to figure out what traits make the most sense in your build. You must also consider the impact trait lines have on attributes.
- Finally you have to figure out what runes and sigils make the most sense to run.
The combat itself involves variable/dynamic effects. Conditions, Crowd Control, Specific skill effects, Trait/rune/sigil effects. The magnitude and duration of these effects is also variable.
Again the question I’m posing is…
Is Guild Wars 2 PvP too complicated to be consumable by the the mass esport audience?
Complexity is not the problem, gameplay is the problem, GW2 is way too spamy and has way too much crap flying around to be tactical, it becomes an uninteresting button mashing mess.
Think about it this game lunched almost 2 years ago, has remained about the same and pvp was dead 6 months in after lunch. This being the successor of THE pvp MMO.
Fights are simply too fast paced, too boiled down to who gets the most APM, tactics get way to much of a second seat, the only time you see tactics is in WvW ironically because its the one time you might run into 1v1 or 2v1 situations, the rest is a mess of flying colors. Take lol, it has 4 character skills and it has become the most played game in the world. GW1 had 8 and was one of the most successful pvp mmos of its time. GW2 has 16 minimum and has failed miserably, notice a trend there?.
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Hahahahahahahaaaaaa!
Hahahahaha… Hah…
Yea no… Absolutely not…
haha yeah, absolutely yeah. There is a reason the ratio of Mesmers, rangers, elementalists, engineers to warriors and guardians is like a bazillion to one…
Left a year ago, Ranged dominated PVP, come back a year later, ranged dominates pvp. This should be called kite wars.
Anet needs to hire a community manager who’s job is to engage the community, all the time. But a lot of questions still won’t be answered.
Community manager are not devs, they can forward info to devs but if the answer is “no comment” then there is not much they can do about it.
I have to say, with the backlash this brought i am surprised they kept it. Then again this is the same game that dilapidated its GW1 fan base.
I dont know about you, but even thou GW2 is based around the cash shop, which gw1 also did have, that is not really an issue for me. Living story is not original to GW2 either, WoW has been doing it for years with every expansion gating content and updates through its life cycle which essentially results in the same thing.
What bothers me and most people i read, is that this game simple has little to do with GW1, it is not building up on its predecessor its a completely different game, which many people dont like. Take the skills and class system, the buff and debuff system, weapon switching system, all this things have nothing to do nor are an improvement on the previous game, they are flat out different. And many dont like them.
And while they could implement more weapons the problem remains the same, lack of customization. In all honestly, the best thing they could do to get this game closer to GW1 is add say 10 skills for every weapon each class uses and let you customize your skills, that is it.
Money aside, i have to agree this game has the most impractical and comboluted crafting system of any mmo i have played, and i have played several. Tho this game has several most impractical and comboluted things, right from the start not being able to customize your action bar to crafting and beyond, so its kind of a trend.
Have to agree with the op, to craft A you need B and C, to C you need D and E, to E you need F and G, add eternum, not just on every level.
The interface needs to be cleaned up. If you have all the mats for A and its components then you should simply have the option to build A and presto it makes everything in betwin automatically.
WoW had multiple components as well, but it was usually 1 or 2 things which DID NOT require multiple components as well. Here To make the most basic rifle, you need the barrel that needs bronze that needs tin and copper AND you need the stock that needs planks that needs trunks, have to go through 5 recipes to make the most basic gun. Thats too much and exacerbates exponentially as you lvl up.
If yo need to follow a flow chart to craft something then you kittened up your system.
Warrior does it all better.
Warrior might min max it better, that is not the issue, the point is if necro does it well enough to be competitive. While GW1 certainly had its meta, it had lots of good enough builds. GW2 not so much.
GW2 has less skills, but makes up for it with traits and expanded gear compared to gw1. If two builds used the same skills/utilities but had different traits/gear, those two builds would be played very differently.
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No, 90%+ of the traits in this game, serve the same function as stat points customization did in GW1.
Also there is a bast difference between GW1 using a build that was not meta but worked and play differently, than in GW2 using a build that is not meta and gets you invariably crushed.
GW1 had a ton of not quite top notch but very close, viable builds, GW2 simply has none.
Here’s the main reason GW2 lacks build diversity. Because we are stuck with 5 kills based on which weapon we choose, we are essentially given only 5 skills to choose for our skill bars compared to the 8 we got in GW. And of those 5 we are regulated even further in that 1 MUST be a Heal skill. We have far fewer choices in GW2 than what we had in GW: Prophecies.
This. The problem with GW2 when it comes to diversity, is that it has built in, recursive limitations.
Meaning the following, once you choose your weapon sets, those are half 2/3 of your 15 skills, thus the stats and effects you pick are going to be the ones that complement those 2/3 of your skill the better for what your build is supposed to do. Meaning if you are going to be a GS damage build, you are not going to go with +Healing stats, this is obvious, but limits your build all the same.
After that you are left with 5 skills to choose, again restricted by what your other 10 skills do, your stats, and 1 being healing, 3 utility and 1 elite. It comes as no surprise that those skills have to either maximize your other 10 or compliment them. Thus you are again further restricted, since if for instance your 10 skills from weapons have no gap closer, in all likelihood if you are melee your utility skills will in deed need to have some gap closer of some description.
Add to this a rather limited Skill pool and lack of proper role definition/specialization, and you kind of shoot diversity in the foot.
Having said this, there are several ways you can improve diversity.
1- And the most obvious, More classes. Wont make classes diverse on them selves, but less frequent.
2- Obvious but not so effective as people might think, adding more healing, elite and utility skills. This is not so effective, remember that your weapon skills represent 2/3 or more of your skills, and your build has to answer or work for them, so having double the amount of utility skills for only 3 slots, would not really make all that difference.
3- Include double effect weapon skills based on complementary stats. For instance an aoe hard hitting nuke that also heals. Damage based on +damage and healing on +healing. this opens up 3 configurations on a single skill, all healing all damage or mixed.
This opposed to current skills like the warrior sword 1, where the direct damage is not as relevant as the over time damage, they both work towards the same end but one is much more effective than the other, not regardless of your stats but clearly optimized for a particular configuration. Meaning you are never going to do as much damage with a sword by stacking +damage as you would do if you stacked +damage duration. That is why stats and effects need to be complimentary and equally effective, so it makes it worth it going either way. It is not worth it, going direct damage based, with a warrior while wielding a 1 hand sword.
1. No comment.
2. If you aren’t using all/most of your skills, you’re probably doing something wrong.
3. I’m perfectly fine with autoattack as it is. I don’t really understand what you want to change it to either.
4. that option would be nice. I like vindictus’ style of press esc to unlock the mouse, then esc again to lock it
And you can set it up for toggle by Esc, like Vindictus. Used to be ok to use, not sure now though.
That is exactly what i was talking about. This shows the clutter and disconnect this game has with its player base. I am sorry for Anet, but this is not the game we wanted, there is a reason a successor to THE pvp mmo was turned into pve, it is not that people dont like pvp, i would bet most of the people that loved pvp back in gw1 bought gw2, it is simply that pvp here sucks and i would rather they swallow their pride and we get more expansion to buy, than this almost game that does not know what it wants to be, we have a system geared to a pvp scene that very few play.
oh and by the way that video is 2 years old, glaciers move faster than Anet.
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