Guild Wars 2

Wildclaw.6073:

kostbabis.8791:

Eles werent close to 50% uptime of prot unless you go forge runes either!!

Umm….

30 arcane Elementalists gets 43.3% protection with a standard 15s rotation. If you speed up the rotation you can get up to 57%. If you are running Armor of Earth cantrip, that is up to 8.7% heavily frontloaded protection. (meaning that you can get 21s of continuous protection in a fight)

what?maybe you are not taking attunements global cd..
Besides thats completely theoretical.You falsely assume that its viable for the ele to go in earth and leave immediately without casting any spells..Imo not casting any earth spell for the whole fight is not worth the extra prot so i can reach 50% uptime ..
lol :P
edit:too dizzy to do the maths but you must indeed take into acount the g cd.
Still its too theoritical when casting spells like earth 2 -3-4 and then switch directly or when casting 5 drops it way lower than that..

Cirax i think you are wrong.Bunker eles are balancd cause they ar countered by conditions properly now.
You cant insta cleanse them anymore unless you go with ether.If you go with ether you cant use it on mist form so its use is only really with the 2 armor of earths.
Now every bunker has cooldowns that need to go out before he dies and so is ele since armor is on 90 sec cd.
Plus boon stealing on thief s/d can steal both your stability and you protection in one hit..Id say the big direct nerf and the big indiret buff on other classes plus how easily is to interrupt ether will make good players have absolutely no problem handling full bunker clerics eles..But otherwise i agree they kittened everything else in the process way harder

Well youcould be melee setup with gap close skills ona 40 sec cd :P
Seriously though warrior might be viable again.Wait for people to find an effective use of the new traits and a new role for warrior.Its too soon for conclusions to be made imo..wait for a week or so id say.See if top teams find a use for him at the very least.
In hot join and solo warrior will never be the best class anyway based on their philosophy they described

People have no kittening clue what impact has cleansing water 5 sec internal cd and no mist form heal on the bunker..If its not balanced now i dont know what you even want it to be…
Rtl IS OVERNERF..Guardians auto put in 40 sec and d/d has no long range skills to remove aegis.Any good player puts it in 40 sec.Ele as orb carrier is legitimately dead aswell..
S/d is a half melee set and now cant keep up with many classes too..
Anet is good that you put this little game of who dodges the others rtl to screw him over but you have outright killed mobility for all ele builds.
Lets be honest only s/d and d/d work and just cause they could produce too strong bunkers you nerfed the kitten out of them pigeonholing to bunker like builds all viable ele weaponsets.
Also now that mmobility is kitten why lightning flash has 45 sec cd and blink 30.
Now that mist form cant be use for our super op massive healing,why mistform doesnt have 60 sec cd like elixir S?
And why the kitten all stunbreakers are on cantrips?Can you play without cantrips?
Without stunbreakers in the lowest health/armor class?
Point is that mist form in a no water build is a poor bad UP elixir S..with no healing to justify the increased cooldown..neither health or amor or sustain.
Of course i have adjust and i can still be effeective by playing skillfuly but..those nerfs while justified were really poor thought out when it comes to build diversity..
You just kittened us over hard ..

wllalele.9427:

RamataKahn.4283:

Yeah didn’t think so.

You know there is something wrong with the game when ppl are seriously defending warriors in “Ranger’s pet vs Warrior” debate.

lmfao..

Pls also if you are gonna stream it without having stream resolution options do it in a format that people with the average internet connection will be able to watch it without getting frame lag every few sec.

Also a bit less switching cameras would be great ..you know ,once today there was this 1vs1 and as one mesm got down there was his thief friend that came in to the resque and then..BAM..switch ..we never found out :P
Anyway gj for having the balls to be the first to do this in this game

Thief requires a lot of skill in spvp..no seriously
I played s/d that got buffed and its like awsomely fun and engaging with a huge amount of teleports and mobility.
You see a target?You are there in no time AND you get the joy to steal that poor elementalists prot and stability with one hit if you are lucky :P
Poor guy he has the rocks around him making him look ugly while i get the benefits
Killing eles never been so easy..downside is zero cond removal though
But seriously THATS mobility..

Also there was this big trend with spirit watch ele hate when it came into rotation ..
Honestly with 40 % reduction of rtl range plus the reduction from the bug fix plus 40 sec cd without target i cant see ele carrying this kitten.
While ranger is untouched.
Prepare for a lot of ranger hate when this comes back..

Eles werent close to 50% uptime of prot unless you go forge runes either!!
Look at my ele now..He travels extra 300 units per 10 sec and you can go 1000 units by successfully performing the sword 2 skill every 8 sec..more with swiftness..
While being a bunker
While doing non bunker direct damage through pet and condie damage through your skills
While having great cond removal
While having good amount of dodges/evades and access to a water field
Am i wrong somewhere?..Did i mention the infinite range on pet?

Biggest troll is anet..40 sec main mobility in s/d.
Im not gonna ever leave the mists and spvp..The more open is the area the more useless i feel.Im not gonna melee in a XvsX fight were 1<X<6 knowing that a random dodge in my engaging or catching up if you want move means i wont be able to either disengage OR catch up with them after they use their mobility skills for
40 sec
40 SEC
..

No because they would have to disable elemental attunement buffs(you could stuck them to infinite)..that means no extra swiftness for moving around out of combat especially in spvp match..
After the death of rtl as out of combat movement skill this would be too much..
too much

Showatt dont troll dude..
Arcane shield blocks only 3 attacks on a 75 sec cooldown in case anyone elsereading this forums (other class player that feeds on ele players tears perhaps)

What title says..i dont want to get too much attached to the new spammable super awsome long rage mobility in my s/d setup..A setup thats half melee with no long range snares at all.
Maybe anet thinks that s/d bunker is guardian level stronk so it deserves no mobility at all apart from the “W” button..
In any case id like to know in advance :P

Redscope.6215:

That was the whole point of the nerf in the first place.

And unfix the bug? … no.

Lol ..the whole point of nerf was to not be able to use it to disengage and then engage and repeat..You obviously are into combat when trying to disengage..And you also go in combat from the moment you engage with it..

Its fine and usefull still…
But i think it deserves a lower cd now

Minion of Vey.4398:

kostbabis.8791:

swoop 1100 range 12 sec cd..
Heres your new rtl and heres your new bunker far point..Have fun :P
On the bright side it never has been easier for me to kill other eles ..
haha

Funny thing is they were quicker to reach far point and bunker than eles even pre patch.

Yeah they were and many people knew that.Also rtl migh not be affected by slows but their leaps have evades and are so many and in so low cd that the disengage is completely over the top compared to their policy and what they did on eles.
Did i mention the damage pets do on bm build?? :S

And btw blocks DO trigger the big cd of rtl…I guess Sharp cant bother learn the nerf details for ele..

just switching to water with no condies on you but removing one from a teammate or a clone/ pet triggers the icd of cleansing water…

Kwll.1468:

So a slight buff to pets have made ranger god’s? Beastmaster and Trappers have always been good but no better then a lot of other classes/builds.

Not really..
But a “slight” buff with a huge nerf to eles ..that maybe :P

swoop 1100 range 12 sec cd..
Heres your new rtl and heres your new bunker far point..Have fun :P
On the bright side it never has been easier for me to kill other eles ..
haha

As we expected no buffs for new builds.
Also i think now its only 0/0/10/30/30 instead of 10 in airs cause of the survivability loss.
Ah and ele is slow as kitten now

i can feel it getting close …quickly..embrace yourselves the end is here

Sprawl.3891:

even with nerf ele can still disengage from any fight they want

As people already pointed out ..basically yeah
The only thing that just got much harder is engaging and catching up .
If i use it from 1,201 range to engage it will go in full cd cause no one in his right mind will let me hit.So while i tried to engage with it i was punished..
Dont fool yourself the 20 sec cooldown will only work if you use it in close range or point blank for extra damage..this change does nothing sensible to fix the problem

@ResJudicator Exactly
Thats what im screaming about since ive heard the change..It might fix disengage but its TOO MUCH for overall mobility especially out of combat..
Folks here either dont understand or dont care but i hope some dev eventually responds.. as to why eles overal mobility should go down with the disengage factor.
Why should i go offencive(that is no heals for you) with ele if im gonna get ganked and get outrun by almost anything?
In spvp things wont be that bad in team play cause points are close in distance though but still..so cheap,so kittening cheap change

^ We know warriors are up in spvp..but thats not cause of out of combat mobility.
The thing this change will affect more than anything in the entire game in numbers is out of combat movement for the ele.In which case this will destroy eles in wvw much more than it ll affect them in spvp..but thats not the forum for this :P

Its very hard for wvw eles..thats a fact.New rtl puts them in a very low mobility spot against A LOT of classes.
No more even trying to chase a ranger or warrior and of course thief..
With 40 sec on main mobility skill theres no hope you ll outrun them .
Ele also lack ranged cc in other weapons besides staff so..
I hope it doesnt carry over

Heres an ANOTHER IDEA ANET
New trait deep in air line.
“Now rtl has half the cooldown if it doesnt hit”
HERES YOUR FIX ANET.
No more bunkers abusing this kitten..No impact in all the already other up specs
You can play offencive roamer (and im not talking about 0/15/0/25/30 or similar “bunker in cover” speccs)

PistolWhip.2697:

I specifically remember people proposing it should be affected by slows initially… and a lot of the ele community vehemently denying it, even if it made sense as being the only movement skill that couldn’t be (apparently).

Its odd that so many are now advocating it to be a good idea… o.o

which should be an even a bigger indication to you of how big of a nerf/change this is ?! :P
I want my speeed …

Archaon.6245:

kostbabis.8791:

@Archaon..
Disengage skills have many classes in different weaponsets..stop acting that everyone else just dies all the time.
Also i dont know if you ahve been getting your kitten repeatedly handed to you by eles all this time but you are in heavy denial if you think that every ele player is bad and is carried over by their class.I know handling defeat is bad and you need to pass the fault somewhere else but you need to grow out of this ..

Please make a list of classes/tpvp specs who can disengage, refull their hp bar and go back in 3-4 secs while the point they were holding is still neutral.

Waiting….

So you think an ele can reset the fight and go back in 3-4 sec?
Even the op bunker needs to wait 45 to 90 sec before the cantrips are up.
The rest eles (the offencive) doesnt matter if their health is up since its 13k and will go down to 20% if they eat a mesm burst with no prot
I dont know if you are exaggerating so to give emphasis to a real problem or you actually believe as true what you are saying?? :S
In any case you need to go ahead and make an ele bfore it gets nerfed.Cause an ele that can do what you said on your posts so far does not exist.If it existed then it would be able to win 5vs1 or something :P

ps:disengaging is a common tactic in any game in the known gaming world.
When a fight seems lost people use their mobility skills to get away and escape the downtime of dying.You must be stupid if you think thats unbalanced as a concept !?! :S

edit: high regen character that refill their lifes in frequent intervals is also a quite common feature of games..they are called “healers” instead of tanks that have high lives and defence they have healing skills to mantain their selves.It might seem unfair seeing a “healer” going from 20% to 100% in a few sec but its usually justified by the fact that it requires a lot less overal damage to bring him to low life.
(problem happens when healing results in oversustaining but the concept again can be totally balanced)
jeez do i need to explain the basics to you?

@Archaon..
Disengage skills have many classes in different weaponsets..stop acting that everyone else just dies all the time.
Also i dont know if you ahve been getting your kitten repeatedly handed to you by eles all this time but you are in heavy denial if you think that every ele player is bad and is carried over by their class.I know handling defeat is bad and you need to pass the fault somewhere else but you need to grow out of this ..

S/d users must be crying after patch..at least d/d has other 2 mobility skills to catch up.
S/d needs melee range to burt and rtl being 40 sec..well it explains itself

Lol wouldnt that be hard to code ..
1)Give it casting time anet.
2)Make it work like you said if the ele is in combat
3)Make it hold and release were range and cooldown is affected by which stage you let it go.Last stage has max range and cooldown(disengage),earlier stages have less range but more beneficial cooldown for roaming
4)Make it be affected by slows.
..
I cant think more..anyone?Be fast cause from tuesday rtl in wvw is reduced to 1 300 range leap every 10 sec.. :P

ensoriki.5789:

Drop the flippen recharge of the conjure skills.
You only end up using 3 skills then dropping because the cool downs are long as hell.
It’s the reason why FGS works, if the CD’s on fire storm mimicked the one on Earth shield or Ice bow, no one would be using FGS either.
Insta cast would be nice too.

hammer has a 600 range leap at 6 sec cd..Omg thats 3 rtl every 40 sec.I will be fast again :P

Interpret Interrupt.3824:

kostbabis.8791:

Interpret Interrupt.3824:

MaXi.3642:

Acandis.3250:

I’d like to see the new numbers before giving you a better answer but a 4k heal on 25s CD is pretty good with that passive.

its not 4k, its 3k2 base, show me heal which heals less… and when you use it, you lose passive effect as you know, so its NEVER worth using it

Heal signet. Now go back to your ele is bad delusion

Its on 20sec cd so base healing per activation is a lot higher than the ele.
Thats just to correct you since i aknowledge that ele signet is a lot more powerful..But still bother to check the tooltips in wiki next time:P

yup those wiki tool tips are playing the game for you. Those player updated wiki tips.
Heal sig is the worst in the game. Whether you believe it or not.

I know its bad..thats not what i was saying

Also did i say here this change needs to be in combat only? :P
Or split cause i really plan to do some wvw later at afternoons and i dont wanna die to every mes/warrior/ranger/thief even guard if i dont get blink cause their leaps are in massively lower cooldowns.
And no im not gonna wp..Im a man !

PistolWhip.2697:

@kostbabies+MightyAtroll

Why don’t you two jsut settle it by duelling :P? You can do that in Spvp fairly easily.

Also, i don’t think anyone here can bring Warrior into an spvp related convo on balance. They are a joke. Try playing one in spvp night for your guild where everyones running another class with a good build. You are literally a child, even with a full GC damage attack. They just dodge and ignore you.

Aside from that, continue on your debate, no complaints here.

I can kill the ele build he linked in earlier page by playing warrior and having my eyes closed whole match..Seriously

I d say it one more time in case i get heared by devs
RTL change should affect the skill ONLY WHEN YOU ARE IN COMBAT
Dont make me slower than a mesm pls or give me distortion and clones so i can play glass too..Im not gonna switch ele to play offencive EVER
Ok thx

All change are fair BUT
RTL is good as a disengage skill due to not being affected by slows
RTL is not a top mobility skill cause of the range and cooldown
Rtl change is gonna fix the disengage opness and its gonna also kill the mobility (maybe not so in small distances like spvp match_
Either split the kittening skill or even better apply the 40 sec ONLY when disengaging.
So only if you dont hit while in combat..
Also lordrosicky is really clueless about the class and i wouldnt get his opinion of how ele functions in deeper level.Ask a top ele player.They ll still say ele is op but they will at least be rational

ensoriki.5789:

kostbabis.8791:

Ice storm as the glyph of storms skill when used in water..
I main ele dont forget that :P

You’ll have to forgive me, since taking Glyph of Storms over Conjure Ice bow (if you had to choose) is so crazy to me I must’ve forgotten the difference between the two.

haha i see what you did there
I took it for the blind in earth and cause yolo and stuff.
I also used to take bow and flash ,cast deep freeze from miles away and then port next to the target before the skilled fire off..trolling people in hot joins :P

Ice storm as the glyph of storms skill when used in water..
I main ele dont forget that :P

ensoriki.5789:

Who the hell is using glyph of storms in the first place?

Me during early launch days..I thought the earth was good until thye made it (or i realised) that it blinds once like 3 sec :P
Plus i think water chills if it hits somebody..doesnt hit often enough for me to notice
I think rtl out of combat needs to remain at 20 sec..No point harming wvw and pve folks for our sins ..disengange and roaming are different things.A warrior was always the better roamer compared to ele but he definately had less disengage options.Now that this difference is somewhat lessen theres no point harming roaming for ele as well.
And of course in spvp maps are small so it doesnt matter that much..in wvw though?

Interpret Interrupt.3824:

MaXi.3642:

Acandis.3250:

I’d like to see the new numbers before giving you a better answer but a 4k heal on 25s CD is pretty good with that passive.

its not 4k, its 3k2 base, show me heal which heals less… and when you use it, you lose passive effect as you know, so its NEVER worth using it

Heal signet. Now go back to your ele is bad delusion

Its on 20sec cd so base healing per activation is a lot higher than the ele.
Thats just to correct you since i aknowledge that ele signet is a lot more powerful..But still bother to check the tooltips in wiki next time:P

At start i though altroll is his name ..

^you must be trolling or you are an idiot

TheMightyAltroll.3485:

My Phantasmal Mesmer has no fury or mightstacks…

I dare you, master another class. Master all builds possible for that class. Your precious Elementalist has caused you to rely on things no other class can possibly do.

Cant compare apples with oranges..You presented me with a glass canon ele build that had 50 % crit chance and crit damage and no might stacking.I told you i can do more damage by grabbing fury and survival traits so i get to some might stacks through fire fields and you started talking about mesm .. /facepalm
that mesmer build will kill your ele build even if the mesmer goes afk btw ..lolol
You are really ignorant with the class and im angry i feel the urge to respond to you mr mighty troll :P

Lol let me try again..I will get my elementalist and face you with my geared setup and utilities only i WONT pick any traits !! :P
You still wont stand a chance.In fact you cant even do that mmuch damage cause you get no fury no mightstack and i get damage multipliers from going to water as well..
Dude are you sure you just didnt slap a normal gc trait distribution over elementalist traits and picked the most obvious major traits??
Cause really it takes 1 hot join game to see that you ll suck with this. :P
edit:you ll suck as in you ll lose to any sensible build of any other class assuming your enemy has a functional brain..i dont expect you to be a god like with cantrips d/d

TheMightyAltroll.3485:

Champion… titled… people?

Kostbabis, if you think a title means someone is good, I’ve got some bad news for you…

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fEAQJAoYhEmYbxRzwjDAEFvYS4hAEkgQhFNA-ToAg0CnIqRVjrGTNyas1MoYWA

^ There. Glass cannon. If you can learn to survive without OP skills, you’ll be perfectly fine.

I’m a Necromancer, if I want to burst people I have to manage with no escape tools, and very little survivability.

thats i why i said at least champion titled people..i was being generous to you since you can find plnty of noobs with the title..lol
The build has no invuln and no defence and an astonishingly high attunement cooldown,
In short you cant even burst properly due to not being able to rotate between ccs from air and earth to burst skills in fire etc..Im sorry its not viable.Ask anyone if you dont believe me. If we were duel right now and i could pick a warrior with standard 100 blades build i would kill you without breaking a sweat

daydream.2938:

don’t want? bring into the line the class that has ruled spvp for 5+months. with constant complains for tourney players, and an overwhelming consensus that they are the strongest class.

wrong forum man..This is the place where pve people try to understand why they ll be travelling at much less average speed and wont be able to roam in wvw.
Try posting these comments in spvp section cause here they dont make much sence to many people

TheMightyAltroll.3485:

30/20/0/20/0 + Berserker’s Amulet

Same as any burster on another class might use.

wtf!! post vid against at least champion titled people or it didnt happen? :P

daydream.2938:

What is so weird that the strongest class in the game got a nerf?

Ele players are poeple too..lol !! They need to have fun:P
I was waiting for cantrips nerfs and buff to other non stunbreak/defence nature utilities to get buffed up.Instead i got stupid changes that made alternatives even less attractive.If all ele builds have been toned down ..the difference between ele bunker and the rest just got bigger..
Unless they pull some buffs on the other crap trait lines ele bunker water/arcana will always be the best and only viable ele..trust me i tried very hard to escape this and be a unique snowflake..it doesnt work

@MightyAltroll Im pretty sure your burst ele build is a 20 water 30 arcane build..If not then you must be doing only hot joins