Guild Wars 2

Phantaram.4816:

While charging it lightning flash right in your opponents face so you can ignore its travel time. Pretty easy to hit that way.

Lightning Flash seems to be the bandaid to many ele skills…

LightningBlaze.4913:

Axialbloom.8109:

There is no truly viable condition build for eles. I have tried everything, and they all fall short.

You haven’t try everything. None of us have. Maybe in spvp but in wvw there are many very good viable builds that with the help of the individual player skill they become even more powerful including condition builds for ele.

No. They are all weaker than alternative builds.

There is no truly viable condition build for eles. I have tried everything, and they all fall short.

If you are going to PvP with this, there is a trait that is absolutely essential:

Lava Tomb.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/balance/Vote-for-the-Profession-Collaborative-Development/first

Go vote here. It is on which professions need the most help. Looks like Ranger and Ele are dominating.

Manuhell.2759:

EverythingXen.1835:

peterpat.8196:

Approximate estimate and not reliable, but an overview for those interested (thanks to JS and regex) votes up to (including) page 24. (if someone voted multiple times, the newest was used)

Prof               voted 1st   voted 2nd   voted 3rd   total
ele                    200            188               166                 554
mes                  60               57                  86                 203
war                  11                26                49                   86
ranger             446             259             116                  821
necro               90               132             167                 389
guard               7                  6                  9                     22
thief                30                 54                84                  168
engi                 46                157              179                382
total                890               879             856               2625

Even if I would have missed 100 votes, ranger and ele are currently first and second.

First and second is putting it mildly. They make up more votes than all the other professions combined.

I wonder if they’ll take count of the respective player base. As now, apart from thieves, guardians and warriors, all the others are exactly in their respective order according to the profession breakdown in the first year infographic.

Ya. People tend to vote what they are playing.

Such a small sample….Anet really need to get this out to more people. Hopefully they also account for profession numbers and bias.

Well, Ranger and Ele are the two most in need of help. So at least it got it right (lolbias).

1. Elementalist
2. Ranger
3. Conditions in PvE

Astralporing.1957:

Since it’s been revitalized, and is currently being cleared (in story – we don’t see this in areas yet, as those are historically placed before and during the invasion), the best choice would likely be the city of Arah.

Alternatively you could probably evacuate everyone to Hall of Monuments.

Arah would be awesome. But I doubt Anet would do it

Smooth Penguin.5294:

dietzero.3514:

Smooth Penguin.5294:

Axialbloom.8109:

Smooth Penguin.5294:

Gummy.4278:

I understand the need for a tax for Listing an item and the tax for the actual sell. I do not want to remove these as I see them as necessary.

When you are selling to highest buy order, you the seller have to come up with a listing fee and you do not list the item at all.

I think you don’t understand how the TP works. When a player fills a Buy Order, he “lists” it at that price, and the order is filled FIFO. It’s not a matter of selling it directly to the other player. All transactions MUST go through the TP, so anything that gets sold first has to be “listed”.

That’s the price you pay for using Evon’s services. You do have the option of doing “Gentlemen Agreements”, where you and the other player agree to a price, and trade directly via the in game mail system. Keep in mind that if you get scammed this way, Anet will not help you get your money back.

What are you even talking about? The same fees would still be paid, just all in the back-end. Did you deliberately ignore most of what he said?

Same goes for you, wanze.

Why should the fees be placed on the back end? If you don’t have the money to pay the LISTING FEE, then you can’t sell the item.

Calm down. He knows exactly how it works right now. He suggested a change to filling buy orders only, where there is always a transaction. Next time if you do not understand a suggestion, just ask someone to explain it to you.

Yeah most of us who answer didn’t get the initial question being asked. However, it’s a moot point, since that suggestion is a bad one. I’m not sure of any service providing business (in game or in real life) that allows people to pay after-the-fact. You pay up front to use the TP services that’s safe and secure, or you use other less secure means to do your transactions. The options are there.

His suggestion does not work due to what tolunart and insanemaniac said.

Good point. Would cost too much. I will keep using my rare kits on rares then. Cheers lover.

Any conclusion regarding ecto salvage rates?

The skins are different to the actual weapons. The skins were contained in the Gauntlet bags.

Coldtart.4785:

If you think warriors swapping to double endure pain double balanced stance to banner is bad, just wait til you see an ele using renewal of water while in obsidian flesh. Way lower cooldown than banner, heals it to full (dat overgrowth lord) and there’s absolutely nothing anybody can do about it.

I am going to go do this right now. Cheers!

I blame Palawa Joko.

Golden Monkey.6137:

Stop trying to break the TP. If you don’t like the price put in a low order and wait. It is pretty amazing how many people will sell for the lowest price possible.

People want money or mats so they put in time to farm. The only inequity I see is people wanting things without any effort.

Cloth is broken.

That would be nice. Have many of those skins left, just sitting in my bank.

Wanze.8410:

Axialbloom.8109:

Behellagh.1468:

Maybe I’m having trouble understanding the OP. Now if he is trying to sell something to the highest bidder buy doesn’t have enough coin to cover the posting fee, OK, I can accept the idea of letting both the tax and fees be backended.

However if he simply wants a backend of 15% and no posting fees, no. The purpose of the unrefundable 5% fee upfront is to keep sellers from casting around the price pool looking for a bite. It encourages them to try to estimate a “fair” price to sell the item at rather than tossing some value up there.

You are right. You ARE having trouble understanding the OP. He specifically said BUY ORDERS, where the item is sold instantly. He did not touch normal listings.

So he wants the fee turned into a tax when selling directly. Based on the pace that they added new features to the gem store, you will have to wait a long time until this is implemented.

Yeah. I do not mind how it works now, so I am neutral to his suggestion. It will never be implemented, though…

Behellagh.1468:

Maybe I’m having trouble understanding the OP. Now if he is trying to sell something to the highest bidder buy doesn’t have enough coin to cover the posting fee, OK, I can accept the idea of letting both the tax and fees be backended.

However if he simply wants a backend of 15% and no posting fees, no. The purpose of the unrefundable 5% fee upfront is to keep sellers from casting around the price pool looking for a bite. It encourages them to try to estimate a “fair” price to sell the item at rather than tossing some value up there.

You are right. You ARE having trouble understanding the OP. He specifically said BUY ORDERS, where the item is sold instantly. He did not touch normal listings.

Smooth Penguin.5294:

Gummy.4278:

I understand the need for a tax for Listing an item and the tax for the actual sell. I do not want to remove these as I see them as necessary.

When you are selling to highest buy order, you the seller have to come up with a listing fee and you do not list the item at all.

I think you don’t understand how the TP works. When a player fills a Buy Order, he “lists” it at that price, and the order is filled FIFO. It’s not a matter of selling it directly to the other player. All transactions MUST go through the TP, so anything that gets sold first has to be “listed”.

That’s the price you pay for using Evon’s services. You do have the option of doing “Gentlemen Agreements”, where you and the other player agree to a price, and trade directly via the in game mail system. Keep in mind that if you get scammed this way, Anet will not help you get your money back.

What are you even talking about? The same fees would still be paid, just all in the back-end. Did you deliberately ignore most of what he said?

Same goes for you, wanze.

Atherakhia.4086:

Drarnor Kunoram.5180:

Atherakhia.4086:

Thief sustained is higher.

Bull. Thiefs are pretty low on the sustain once Hide in Shadows is used. They have to back off if their opponent isn’t low.

Thief avoidance is higher.

About even, actually. Thieves may have more Evades, but Warriors match that with (significantly longer) blocks and invulnerabilities.

We know that the Thief’s DPS is second highest in the game right behind an Ele. So yes, their sustained is much higher than a Warrior.

Thieves have stealth. In any given fight you’re in stealth for much more than the 3 seconds a Warrior has endure pain up.

Elementalists only have great DPS against giant targets that stand still, i.e PvE bosses.

Agreed. The base health variation is the biggest obstacle to balance.

Change the horrible Elemental trait Burning Precision while you are at it. It is a Burn on crit trait as well, although it is a very weak one.

Aberrant.6749:

Dire has some serious vulnerabilities…

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Diamond_Skin
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Automated_Response

If you’re not a necro then add http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Plague_Signet and http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Consume_Conditions as a counter as well.

In larger groups (WvW) conditions are cleansed so frequently and often that they aren’t very viable at all.

The only condition I can think of that needs tweaking is immobilize which never should have stacked in the first place. At most the highest duration one applied should take priority.

Ahahahahahaha…Diamond Skin…good joke bro :P

And having to do dungeons is fun for people who hate dungeons?

Do you even realise how hypocritical and self-centred you sound?

Map completions? Wow…

Ele downstate is just the most noticeable, because they spend most of their time there.

Stand The Wall.6987:

Dark path is the slowest projectile in the game so it misses most of the time.

If only eles had more burst damage and 10 more skills.

The cost for having 10 more skills is every cooldown is doubled, damage is nerfed, and all base survivability is removed. You still want them?

Stand The Wall.6987:

At least you have a gap closer and vigor. Unlike my necro. So you dont have it as bad as you think.

If only Necros had 8k more base health and a second health bar.

evilapprentice.6379:

Thedenofsin.7340:

IN MY OPINION, it’s overpowered in today’s game.

Oh, that’s much different.

I disagree.

I’ll even go so far as to give you a reason.

Steal is a thief’s F1 class mechanic – If you’re going to complain how powerful it is, go ahead and compare it to attunements, burst skills, shatter, etc etc etc.

Attunements suck. If Steal was like the ele mechanic, it would have a 5 minute cooldown.

Behellagh.1468:

Agreed, poor communication.

I believe that is Anet’s motto.

You mean for dungeons, or solo?

Aberrant.6749:

Axialbloom.8109:

They can do this in exchange for giving eles 5k more base health.

Tbh… I don’t think that would fix ele’s problems…

Neither do I. Arcana and attunements are just so badly done, and most of the traits suck. There is also the 40 year long cooldowns, even for the utility skills (which should be equal to other classes, but are not).

RTL is guaranteed to go on a 40 second cooldown against anyone with half a brain.

They can do this in exchange for giving eles 5k more base health.

Eles will always suck until they overhaul the profession mechanic/Arcana and give them more innate survivability.

So ‘forcing’ people to do dungeons is fine, but WvW is from the devil?

Gulesave.5073:

As the devs have repeated every time they talk about this preview, including in the opening post of this thread: This is NOT everything. These are just some examples.

10/10 trolling.

Getting cold in here…

Nothing changed from the last big patch’s preview to release, and nothing will change this time. Anet even said they need like a month in advance to get something into a balance patch.

DeWolfe.2174:

Just wanted to point out, why not try out WvW a little and see how ridiculously powerful Ele’s are? If all you do is sPvP, then you have not seen how Ele’s scale with ascended gear and rank bonuses.

The burning speed evade is going to be a huge “WTF????” in WvW. Because it’s one of the main burst rotations used. Obviously the Dev team doesn’t WvW much…….

Staff eles are strong in WvW, when they are with the zerg. Dagger eles are still mediocre roamers.

oZii.2864:

What? If they announce it now people will buy them up and hoard them. If you pay attention to the TP their are already people hoarding runes and sigils they think will be going up in price. I know I have some The TP is safe right now as the price has started to go down after the stream many runes shot up in price. A preview will blow it up again. I think they will do a blog post like they did with MF at least that what it sound like they said was coming.

I like to watch the world burn.

Healing Signet is extremely overpowered, and the 8% nerf will do virtually nothing.

That said, Engineers are still the best PvP profession.

Ride the Lightning should have a dual functionality:

- If you have something targeted, you teleport to them, do damage, and incur a 15 second cooldown.
- If you have nothing targeted, you do the current RTL, and incur a 30 second cooldown.

Will we be seeing this in advance, or will we have to wait until the patch comes out (and the TP explodes)?

I really want to know if the Superior Rune of the Sunless is being made viable, because I love the idea of gaining a powerful rune from a world boss.

Swagg.9236:

Axialbloom.8109:

Why did you make everything the ele has counterable by moving or dodging?

Axialbloom.8109:

Why did you make [insert anything here] counterable by moving or dodging?

Why would you ever say that? You don’t want to see offensive abilities evaded by clutch dodges, blocks or positioning?

Besides, it’s very possible to strike a moving target with a 1-second delayed 120 radius AoE (since that’s probably everyone’s primary worry). It just takes practice. Changes like these would promote a higher skill cap for the Elementalist, and, no, pressing a lot of buttons very quickly doesn’t necessarily denote a high level of skill.

Even so, maybe lowering it to a 3/4-second delay would be best. I wonder if that’s possible.

There is already too much dodging in this game, and half the abilities you altered can just be walked out of, yet require a target.

Also, there are these things called lag, and Anet’s horrible rubberbanding code.

Dual.8953:

I’m curious how you’re supposed to hit anything with Lightning Strike if this change came to be. One can probably walk out the hit area easily,

For some reason he made every single ele ability like that…

Karl McLain.5604:

Profession Changes

Elementalist:
Our changes for the elementalist focus on increasing sustain while maintaining the delicate balance between damage and durability. We achieved this by adding more defensive effects to a few main-hand weapon sets.

• Signet of Restoration: Removed the split on this skill so that the signet passive heal amount will be increased in PvP to match the current PvE amount.
• Armor of Earth: Reduced recharge from 90 seconds to 75 seconds.
• Water Trident: Added 3 seconds of regeneration to up to 5 allies in the radius.
• Burning Speed: This ability now evades attacks.
• Frozen Burst: This ability is now a blast finisher.

I have no idea what you are talking about when you say ‘maintaining the delicate balance between damage and durability.’ There is absolutely no balance…elementalists are forced to trait all defensive because you failed to ‘maintain’ this.

Vena.8436:

Alex.5349:

Thank you Vena, my bad indeed. That effectively solves 1 of the 100 problems

I’m not sure what the terror of this update is…? There are zero nerfs to the class, everything is a buff (Hello Restoration unnerfing). Do you want us to end up Dhuumfiring elementalists too?

The sigil/runes changes are going to probably do enough unexpected damage as it is…

Yes, they are buffs. But they do virtually nothing to address the crippling problems the Elementalist has, i.e poorly implemented class mechanic, total lack of defense/survivability without MASSIVE investment (pigeonholed profession), and huge cooldowns.

The profession is just a mess.

Why did you make everything the ele has counterable by moving or dodging?