Guild Wars 2

This would be broken a long time ago, but thanks to ANET’s power creep you may as well give Warrior instant cast.

Even though it’s going to make Warrior broken.

GG ANET.

Use long bow (Soldiers or Celestial) and then call it skill. Also, play on conquest too because WvW screws Warriors way too much anyways to be considered “serious.”

Why hasn’t this happened yet I wonder?

So basically.. Turrets have souls. K.

1.) Better balancing principles such as deleting z-axis garbage and skull crack instant cast compared to overcharge instant cast
2.) Frequent balancing updates instead of waiting for months
3.) Actually separating Courtyard from Conquest to GET CASUALS INTO THE GAME instead of using Turret Engi to get casuals into the game.

Oh wait, we have none of these at all.

It doesn’t. Matchmaking is RNG even if they “perfect” it. But the fact that they match you with low achievement players who are most likely not smurfs, then it’s an even bigger problem.

Easily engi cause right now they’re broken op.

1.) Better balancing principles such as deleting z-axis garbage and skull crack instant cast compared to overcharge instant cast
2.) Frequent balancing updates instead of waiting for months
3.) Actually separating Courtyard from Conquest to GET CASUALS INTO THE GAME

Just god.

Calls signet build yolo but not frenzy and no points in defense.

#badattheorycrafting

D/D ele, cele engi, turret engi, w/e is braindead in conquest is even worse in stronghold.

Deimos Tel Arin.7391:

30 s is too long.
lets make it 20 s shall we?

Healing Surge
1 s Activation time 20 s cooldown
“Heal yourself and regain all adrenaline.”
“heal: 7,820 (1.50)”

I like this.

I’ll put mine too.

level 0 level 1 level 2 level 3 keep them all the same, but turn it into a 1/4 second casting time and make it a 25 second cool down.

Now there’s a reason to pick that over defiant stance even though it might still need help at that point for glassy builds.

Kick should have a high damage ratio so traiting for Physical Utilities would actually be an okay option. Double it’s base damage or something, it probably won’t be broken even then.

Did you brag about your build or what? Because if you didn’t do anything wrong then that’s kinda screwed up.

The IP wasn’t a giant problem until they made slick shoes into a stun break. And I guess counters like “instant cast skull crack” were also nerfed and now Engis are pretty broken be it cele or turrets.

Either delete/nerf the stun break on slick shoes OR make it so you can dodge through slick shoes. But please apply the same principles to hammer guard because frame-eaters are cancer.

darres.8203:

is this game really that unpopular you can’t find other players from the pool?

Yes, sadly. Good game that’s gone to shambles because of flawed people taking care of it.

Priceless.
/15chars

If Turret Engi, D/D Ele, or w/e Cele class gets nerfed, people will just go back to Bunker Guardian (or any other Guardian build) or maybe play Ranger.

#braindeadandeffective #GW2Meta

The pattern is just so obvious.

Prove me wrong. Go. Hard and effective exists, but it’s all about the money anyways so..

Elitist.8701:

Don’t play the build that Zenos is posting. Its an even worse version of Schwarheit’s awful build. I think Hambow is what you’re looking for. Does ton of damage and can CC train for days.

At least I’m on a team, and I’m glad snuffles kicked you out. You play meta builds but yield really bad results LMAO.

Loboling.5293:

Seriously, how can people accept that turret engineers end up in any finals, and LOSE. Clearly the build is OP. Did you see how the game was close/!?!?! That is wrong, any game with a turret engineer should be that team getting demolished. Balance.

Let’s just say the same people who screwed Warrior for a year with the Frenzy nerf back when Quickness was the only thing making Warrior viable are the same talentless people balancing this game even today.

Fought the same premade like 5 times in a row last night. Matches weren’t bad but it just shows how dead the game is if they can’t find another premade to match the premade that I fought 5 times in a row.

Sins.4782:

One of the life steals was bugged for the longest time, but was fixed recently (~1 month or so ago). Honestly I still can’t see why you’d take them over something like Pack, but to each their own I guess. The 6th bonus seems really counteproductive.

Say that against burst comps.

ronpierce.2760:

robertul.3679:

It’s not engineer that’s ruining pvp it’s the turkittens.
Big difference.

Its safer to say all engineer. Turrets are ruining low-tier pvp for low tier players, frustrating for higher tier, and Celestial Rifle/Grenade engi is far too powerful in high tier (or really any tier, just turrets are quicker to be effective in lower tiers).

Yep.

As if Skull Crack instant cast is cancer but not Overcharge Shot instant cast or bulls charge not getting any “buffs” while slick shoes eats through evades and is EASY TO LAND while being buffed to a 23 second stun break.

This game is about abusing cancer, and I will keep trying to prove that until ANET starts learning actual balance principles.

I am taking so much hate right now, just so I can prove on the most recent monthly on stream that Turrets is braindead in casual AND competitive play.

Karl and Hugh, you should both be ashamed. Even a long time friend like Five Gauge deleted me from friends list on a quest to prove how broken this pathetic build is and how bad your balancing is.

Just WOW. LEARN please. Right now.

I don’t mind playing the villain while abusing and proving how braindead turrets are. I will show on livestream, if I do make in higher brackets in ESL, that Turrets are braindead and requires absolutely no skill and that ANET devs need to rethink their pathetic balancing principles.

ArrDee.2573:

Blame the terrible lack of principles!

Wahoo! Bye frands!

Fixed.

SobeSoul.6910:

I don’t mind some instant casts in the game. I play with rifle engie and can kinda anticipate OS against other engies based on where they are in context to me. I don’t like how warriors are so easy to play against because they’re so telegraphable, and I don’t think making all abilities have telegraphs would make the gameplay slower and clunkier like it did with warrior. On the other hand, I do see why spamming headshot, interrupt mantra, and OS can be annoying and frustrating to others.

Thing is, that SHOULD be Warriors weakness BUT the same principles should definitely apply to other classes too.

When talking about ineffective though, say hi to 5-8 seconds of chain CC while getting DPS’d by Mace Shield + Axe Mace Warrior.

Certain builds become viable when you get mechanically intensive. The existence of those builds are something people can’t deny yet some people are using the word “ineffective” to deny the existence of certain things such as HARD and EFFECTIVE.

TL:DR Don’t be simple-minded

Also the lack of balancing principles is amazing. Like Skull Crack instant cast is overpowered but not Overcharged Shot at it’s current state?

You’re kidding me right? Epic fail, zz. Z-axis teleport on a tanky class like Ele too? Real? Just no principles. None.

A safe answer would be, anything that isn’t easy and effective.

By that logic anything that isn’t a Guardian, Ranger, Turret Engi, D/D ele, shoutbow, cele engi, and many more.

Though you have to be careful when you “easy and effective” because certain specs are easy and effective in their own way. There is no specific pattern. For example, Guardian Ring and Slick Shoes being an unblockable evade frame eater AND hard CC at the same time. Ranger being the easiest dodge bait in the game while having indefinite evades. Or like D/D Ele having decent damage, stupid tankiness AND can abuse z-axis teleports being a tank with so many jail-card options. Or shoutbow being a second healing for other team mates can pretty much hard counter condi pressure (though this one is easy AND balanced, it is still a very easy build).

At least it isn’t D/D Ele Signet abuse..

Mace/Shield + Axe/Mace Zerk Warrior. Why? Skull Crack actually takes skill to land specially when trying to land a 1/2 second casting time right after an evade ends. Every other Warrior build (specially with long bow) is kinda braindead compared to that.

Actually scratch that, many specs are pretty braindead compared to that. I’ll give you an example, Over-charged shot is pretty much skull crack with instant cast. And I guess Slick Shoes is like a braindead version of bulls charge.

It isn’t a bad spec because Warrior DPS cleave and down potential is not a joke and DPS Warr can delay a point pretty well, but it’s not easy mode either. Therefore it isn’t “meta” because “meta” by definition is EASY and EFFECTIVE. For example, D/D Ele, Cele Engi, shoutbow, soon to be turrets, and etc.

ronpierce.2760:

BlackTruth.6813:

Braindead and effective. Easy dodge bait easy stun break bait.

Do I need to say anything more? Just don’t get me started..

^ They’re easy and annoying, but that’s not the same thing as OP.

That said, they’re VERY OP low-tier because lower tier players get absolutely wrecked by them.

High tier, they’re still easy to play but more “balanced”, maybe even a slight bit weak due to immobility of the build.

I’m aware that easy and effective does not mean OP. It’s just that it’s a giant middle finger to certain builds it’s not even funny.

Why play stick shift when you can go automatic right? HUEHUEHUE.

Braindead and effective. Easy dodge bait easy stun break bait.

Do I need to say anything more? Just don’t get me started..

necropha.6054:

Terrorsquad.2349:

necropha.6054:

Terrorsquad.2349:

I find it funny how ppl are still saying “l2p” while they don’t get the message at all.

I’m not even talking about 1v1. I’m talking about Conquest in 2014-2015 with it’s current PvP Community. Turret Engi is overused, too easy and braindead to be succesful in Conquest.

Who cares if u can kill it.
Ofc, u got braindead turret engi’s who I can auto attack to death.

But if even top teams are trying to proof how broken it is… I mean come on, open your eyes..

What top team out there has trouble with turret engis? None. People want LB ranger nerfed, people want mesmer gone. All because “its too hard”. Oh boo hoo, learn – get better. So yea, L2P. It is all L2P. If you seriously can’t handle turret engi, you need to go hit up the NPCs in the mist as they are just about as difficult to defeat. Go practice.

L2P.

Sure turret engi is easy to play, but they only have 1 weapon and no stun breaks. Kill rocket turret, kill engi. Easy easy. I’ve done it with every class. I see a turret engi and get excited for an easy kill.

So yea, L2P. I know learning is hard, but sometimes you have to put in effort if you want to get good.

L2P.

You can kill every turret engi with every class? Ok, I’m done listening to you lol. You make 0 sense. Also, judging from the amount of games u had pre-december, you have no experience in PvP yet. Or atleast, close to none. Stop pretending you’re experienced, because, somewhere, I believe you’re playing a Turret Engi yourself.

Edit:
FYI: its not about being able to kill it 1v1, it’s about the Conquest as a whole with the PvP community, not just you and handful of people.

Conquest makes it even easier!!! Quit your crying already. Turret engi on point is stranded. Go 5v4 the rest.

Also, your what if the enemy team +1s argument is ridiculous. That could happen in Amy situation. So you leave the 2v1 or ask for help. Duh.

I don’t need a ton of pvp games to tell you this:

L2P bro.

You’re bad. You think one Turret Engi can’t rotate? You L2P. What stops a Turret Engi giving another point a crate or elixir X to bait dodges and stun breaks with the team? The incentive to take an Engi’s point with Turrets on it is unfavorable either, if the Engi sees you coming back to the point where he has turrets, then he just takes it back. If you don’t gank or plus him, he will most likely win that 1v1.

Why do people think they know what they’re saying when all they do is play easy and effective and have absolutely no talent?

Rhialto.8423:

Yeah top PvPers aren’t trying to play fair and competitive, they are trying to win. If they aren’t playing turret engi it’s because they think a different setup is better, plain and simple.

Turret engi will receive a nerf eventually, but it’s not going to be because of pvp streamers. Or tournaments. I thought turret engi was banned from those tourneys anyway.

Turret Engis I don’t think are banned from ESL or big tournaments.

That’s the sad part about it. This game will always be about abusing easy and effective, it will never be about hard work if ANET devs don’t ever improve.

Don’t delete the map, I would say make it a separate que.

This IS the map for casuals if ANET wanted to save the game by attracting casuals.

It’s really pathetic that people want “easy” and “effective” to stay in the game. Much like how some people wanted Spirit Ranger and Hambow to stay.

If ANET wanted casuals to play this game, they need to make Courtyard a separate que. Not through making braindead builds.

Zodian.6597:

Thief hard counters warrior. The only problem you’re going to run into is condi teams, medi guards, cele engineers, and of course other thieves and rangers that can burst you down first. This roaming combo counters out warriors, else, mesmers, and Necros.
If you see 2+ guardians, have the ranger swap to a condition build or something. And maybe you swap to s/d. Medi guard is the real terror for a comp with zerker ranger and thief

No Thief doesn’t hard counter Warrior. Have you ever fought a shoutbow without screwing up on Thief? It’s annoying as hell. If it was a hard counter Thief would have a favorable match up with against ALL builds but it doesn’t do that well vs. shoutbow by itself. If you’re saying this from a 2v1 gank perspective, that just means Thief is good at plussing for when it counts.

You’re probably talking about a different build, but it’s not hard to kill most Thieves on that easy shoutbow build.

Make turrets able to be burned.. that’s actually genius. Cause logically a machine can’t bleed and doesn’t have eyes but machines can burn.

Just that I don’t think the system will allow it to a non-organic target though. Sad days.

Shylock.4653:

thattris.8397:

its totally ridiculus, seen many man ragequit over this.

in pvp i can hardly cap a point if just the turrets are there, let alone of there are 2 engi’s with 10 turrets

starting to wonder why i even play this game.

If 2 Turret Engis sit on one point you have an easy 5v3 on the other 2 points.

And if one Turret Engi sits on mid and one Turret Engi at home, what now? The Turret Engi at home can put another Rocket Turret to help mid if he wants to as well. You people actually think Turret Engi can’t rotate LMAO.

Don’t even get me started on how broken the trait “Experimental Turrets” is in team fights. I swear casuals just love to defend easy and effective which is a big middle finger to people who know what hard work is.

Just shows that games should not be balanced around casuals.

There are more specific evil things that exists other than Turret Engi’s, this is simply part of a bigger problem in which ANET allows too many “I screwed up” mechanics to the game.

You mean how DoD almost won a place in WTS with an S/F ele? C’mon man, burst ele is viable. You can’t ask for buffs on this crap when you can just abuse z-axis teleport, an invuln every 45 seconds, and have the best burst in the game with the “apparent” phoenix bug where it hits 7 times.

That’s just not good mayne.

Why youtube when you can just host each other on twitch.tv?

I highly doubt youtube is more informative than being a streamer really.

Once again, fail list. He doesn’t include “gasmaskftw” love your face love your soul, the man “who invented” mace/shield + axe/mace with that 100-0 forbidden exodia combo called “tremor into a bulls charge” with no auto attacks in between while frenzied.

But in all seriousness, I love how people “only get to invent” if their builds are “easy and effective LMAO.” Much like hambow, no offense to Tarcis (Still a good player) or slick shoes cele engi.

Safe to say the OP is a sheep really.

This list is absolute garbage, why is not Gasmask an all time god tier Warrior?

Okay for real, he doesn’t even include Ostrich on Engi, that guy hard carries bads in solo que.

Fail list as a joke and in all seriousness really. Just the OP’s list of favorites and flame-bait.

http://www.twitch.tv/blacktruth009/c/6452625

Let’s just say at least Warrior can kinda 1v1 stuff like Turret Engi (even a mediocre one is fine) if you’re good at it. But you have to reach a high skill level before you can do this to be honest.

Let’s also say that Warrior is one of the most dangerous classes in the game the moment you have no more stun breaks.

http://www.twitch.tv/blacktruth009/c/6452625

Still the amount of work that you have to do to kill a Turret Engi is flat out stupid.

I burned everything and all crits, he barely died.

Necro so skill-based atm though. So hard to play and so innovative, such wow.

Hint: You don’t even need that trait where you get 50% crit rate on death shroud, you still have braindead face-roll ratios damage-wise as power.

choovanski.5462:

loosing vs turret engi is the actual proof of your scrublife. like, just use a ranged weapon and kill the rocket turret first. no so hard bruh, dude has no stunbreak it’s easymode.

I’ll say Turret Engi might be better to fight than Spirit Ranger though cause at least it doesn’t spam evades on top of AI.