Guild Wars 2

Considering Guardian’s specialization is called “Dragon hunter” which kinda doesn’t really make sense but makes sense GW2 lore-wise, I wouldn’t be surprised of Warrior got something out of the ordinary.

Meta = Easy and Effective. Some of what people saw in tournaments are an exception to this rule. W/e the majority is playing, it is easy and effective.

I.E Shoutbow, D/D Ele, Cele Engi, Guardian, etc.

Instant cast skull crack is cancer, but overcharged shot, slick shoes, d/d ele, and Judge + Ward isn’t according to ANET.

I will still say that other Warrior builds can work, it’s just that the incompetent/lack of balancing principles makes it annoying and discouraging to play high skill cap builds such as chain CC frenzy without using something that synergies with it well.

http://www.twitch.tv/blacktruth009/c/6259903
http://www.twitch.tv/blacktruth009/c/6269321

Like some crazy Warrior builds work to an extent. It’s just that you need to play with people who like making crazy team comps to make the most out of them. It’s really the same way to make power necro work tbh.

It’s called L2 abuse z-axis teleport, l2 Line of Sight. Slick Shoes, Blind Spam, Weakness, Aegis, Jumping Puzzle.

It’s really pathetic that people can’t even L2P against something that is legit L2P.

If you want to complain about something, complain about frame-eaters like Slick Shoes or D/D Ele. Don’t fix something that isn’t broken.

Oh and it’s not like Rampage and Lich Form is instant cast, interrupt them before they use it? Or make it so that they don’t wanna use it? Not to mention when they DO get into Rampage and Lich form, you can literally just tank them if you were good, which you aren’t.

You CANNOT give Warrior instant-cast CC maneuvers like Guardian Judge > Ring for example. It will be broken and cancer.

http://www.twitch.tv/blacktruth009/c/6269321 Like this maneuver right here? This should NOT be easy mode.

What really needs to happen is.. more harsh incentives. Like Signet of Might for example should allow you to ignore protection AND make your attacks unblockable but make it a 60 second cool down. Why is this balanced? Because you will probably sacrifice a defensive cool down for it and in turn, be an easier kill even though you will have an easier time killing.

Signet of Fury should make it so that when you disable a foe, they cannot use a stun break for the next 3 seconds but I don’t think they have the technology for this one.

I’m saying, when you buff something, you need to consider opportunity costs and everything.

I’m perfectly fine with DPS Warrior right now, it’s just that people don’t ever wanna make comps because people don’t ever wanna multi-class in sPvP tbh.

Too many key presses doesn’t mean it’s the hardest thing in the world. You have to look at it in practice and in result.

Take D/D Ele for example, they have 10 million evades via perma-vigor, burning speed, updraft. They are so tanky because they have weakness, earth 2, high protection uptime, and has easy escapes and has access to z-axis teleport.

There is absolutely no trade-off to playing D/D Ele even though they “require” you to press many buttons. And because “they don’t have many trade-offs,” D/D Ele fits in the easy and effective category and is just cancer because it forces the enemy to make harsh choices in rotations.

The root of the problem is “easy and effective.”

Shoutbow will become legit broken with Brawler’s recovery and traited EP.

DPS Warrior on the other hand? It’s getting buffed but it will either be hit or miss depending on how they execute this power creep.

I’m hoping the Warrior elite spec won’t screw over balancing and revive the fun that I had back in the days where Quickness was 100% attack speed increase.

People hate ranger because they’ve always fit under the category of “easy and effective.”

MaXi.3642:

BlackTruth.6813:

The thing about power builds right now is.. its just so much RNG now. At least the Quickness Meta required you to HIT your important things, but now its a matter of proc’ing fire/air. It’s literally hearthstone 2.0, specially on match ups much like Guardian vs. Guardian for example.

not really, sigil proc is 50% on crit, crit is usually over 50% in those builds, that’s 25%+ on hit… and those builds also tend to use some very fast attacks like ele scepter air autoattack or ranger rapid fire etc… so it’s usually more than 1 attack per second… so the average time to proc can be something around 2 sec max? usually less… it doesn’t seems too RNG, it’s guaranteed hit after 0-2 sec

but I agree, two sigils with the same type are a bit OP, this air+fire combo is so strong…

I guess I did base the RNG problem opinion on a 1v1 setting on certain match ups. This shouldn’t be a real problem in team fights. But point is “power damage” definitely took skill during the Quickness meta. GW2 became a lot less skill based is what I’m also trying to say be it in “landing damage” or having “too many screw up buttons.”

The thing about power builds right now is.. its just so much RNG now. At least the Quickness Meta required you to HIT your important things, but now its a matter of proc’ing fire/air. It’s literally hearthstone 2.0, specially on match ups much like Guardian vs. Guardian for example.

At least this guy hits all the BS every class can pull. I’ll put in mine:

The stun break portion of slick shoes should be on the oil slick utility itself, not on the tool belt. The reset stun break is just absolute BS and the low 23 sec cool down on super speed is just face-roll easy mode when you combine it with the 16 second gear shield and jumping puzzle in sPvP. It’s either 45 second stun break or keep having a broken game.

D/d Ele needs to stop having perma-vigor and high protection uptime.

In the next patch? Shake-it-off probably shouldn’t even be a stun break anymore either.

That reset is just too strong. I don’t see why no one will want to take that when you get too many options with it.

The elite spec is probably going to be broken-looking like the Mesmer one.

If it’s DPS oriented then the trait-line is probably going to be Elite Spec + DEF + DISC.

Elite specs might enforce the meta it looks like. Old builds will get buffed but ANET might make Elite specs way too crazy.

choovanski.5462:

BlackTruth.6813:

You can lose stats on it but the classes that benefit from it will still be braindead cancer.

yeah, warrior is braindead cancer to be sure. all warriors are scrubs.

Sorry, I meant specs. But at least shoutbow is close to not being cancer even though it’s easy mode.

You can lose stats on it but the classes that benefit from it will still be braindead cancer.

https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Turtle%27s_Defense

Anyone misses this by any chance? Thick Skin is useless but don’t make the defense tree line broken.

Next thing that needs a nerf is D/D ele and Cele Engi. Lets start by making slick shoes oil evade-able.

About time this happened, now I can die happy.

Any cele class, Guardian, Ranger. All are easy. And whatever ANET allows to be braindead and over-powered.

Say they give Skull Crack instant cast back? Everyone will play that. Say ANET gives instant-casting time on Mantra Mesmer and it happens to be broken and easy? Everyone will play that.

Everyone is just going to go to the next easy thing. It’s really just a matter of incentive and meta enforcement by ANET.

You can thank NA for that from getting Turrets to get streamed live. I actually had the goal of getting it nerfed by getting it streamed a few weeks ago on that Apex match.

Even Guardian is kinda magic oriented.

I would say start Guard because it’s an all-time easy mode class since launch.

Engi. Or Ele.

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lordhelmos.7623:

Warrior was specifically designed to be easy to play so no. If people want a high complexity high difficulty character to play they can roll mesmer.

As per the official blog post “mesmer was meant to be a high skill ceiling class in Gw1, we are trying to return to that.”

Easy to play? Okay try to land 1/2 second casting time through evades then, then call it easy. Don’t know why have an opinion when its just unintelligent and ignorant much like the guy stating his low IQ.

Just because “Mesmer” isn’t effective atm, that doesn’t mean Warrior is braindead easy as a whole.

@OP

Once again, try landing 1/2 casting time stuns through evades or stun lock DPS people by baiting cool downs by yourself on zerker Warrior. The build is Axe/Hammer or Axe/Mace Mace/Shield with Frenzy. You’ll come crying back to your instant cast fear > immob > well combo 1 spam Necro, I guarantee it.

Random Weird Guy.3528:

Wait… PIN DOWN is the reason all warriors take longbow? /facepalm

I LOL’d so hard. I can’t tell if he’s trying to be different by saying Pin Down is the problem with Long Bow.

runeblade.7514:

No Meta, Great, or good warrior build can exist without cleansing Ire. If you think I’m wrong, put up a spvp video where you win tons of matches without it. If you can’t make videos or can make videos, submit the build to metabattle.com to have it peer reviewed and watch it become meta. It is just impossible for warriors to be viable without cleansing ire.

K.

http://www.twitch.tv/blacktruth009/c/6152446

Need more videos? Look for more on my stream on my highlights. It’s not “impossible” it just takes actual skill to play without it. But I guess low skill players will have to have Cleansing Ire where-as better Warriors such as Tarcis can definitely make non-Cleansing Ire builds work.

P.S Also winning a “match” in solo que is subjective. I would focus on mechanics and application if I were you, but you’re kind of simple minded I think so I’ll probably leave it at that.

AND If you want actual tournament play?

http://www.twitch.tv/aspkgg/b/648788988 Rainbows vs. Team Alpha. Lost to the second team but I did okay.

You do realize that you can only have 3 specializations / trait lines right?

It’s either Strength Arms Defense OR Strength Defense Discipline. Arms Defense Discipline is probably okay but I’m not going to pick that over STR DEF DISC.

You lose fast hands over unsuspecting foe, it will make your rotations awkward.

The bad players get to have their wish. That’s all I have to say.

For dungeons, it’s bad-ish because everyone just wants to speed clear bad AI’s all day. For PvP, it takes too much skill to use but it’s stupidly strong when you’re good at it.

Most likely a PvE trait or 46004 Sword/Axe + Axe/Mace or something. There is no point on picking that over better versions though of DPS Warrior though.

Gonna Vouch for Hiba. This guy is actually good and not a joke, but you better be worth it.

Even DPS Double EP Frenzy Warrior is better and more viable than that now because Frenzy stomps and actual cleave.

Just saying, make plays if you wanna make certain things work. DPS Warrior with Axe + Hammer or Mace MH + Axe MH has a higher skill cap. Hambow? Not so much.

Waiting for ques can be such a turn off to people watching GW2 pvp streams.

Okay, so play courtyard and stay out of conquest.. oh wait.

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It isn’t top tier at all because it’s easy to chain CC a turret engi to death. But it does not change the fact that it’s braindead and takes no skill.

Kinda like how Guardian “wasn’t” meta and Ranger isn’t meta but both of those classes still take absolutely no skill no matter how you build them. Get rid of Turrets? There’s still Medi Guard and Long Bow Ranger.

Give them a soldiers amulet build but make sure it isn’t braindead op like Hambow was.

I don’t know, maybe buff mantras or something without making it broken?

I’m just hoping they don’t buff DPS Warrior in a braindead way. Cause most people ITT are literally clueless on why it shouldn’t be “up to par” easy mode as other zerkers such as Guard.

Mace will need some love for sure such as better adrenaline gain, like I would say return 6 adrenaline even if you don’t channel the whole counter blow. That would be so much helpful. And buffing healing surge would be great too considering they gutted that heal after the adrenaline nerf very incompetently.

Now THAT is how something should be “buffed.”

Interesting if you could heal your turrets just by yourself. But the healing must be cut in half then and I guess this wouldn’t be broken because you could’ve attacked instead of healing your turrets specially when the crit-able and condi-able turret change happens.

Just change the tooltip. Fire/air is fine atm. Instant cast burst + that is somewhat of a problem but you can’t simply nerf that or Cele/Turret Engi will be broken.

Oh and APEX and Abjured are using Warriors. Two top teams in NA and a bunch of top teams in EU possibly. How are Warriors obsolete again?

This is why people don’t like it when casuals or talentless bad players “voice” their opinions when they are just not good enough to have one in the first place.

Stay classy.

Lux.7169:

BlackBeard.2873:

If turrets are not nerfed by then, I propose we rename the first 3 rounds to “tournament of turrets.”

Name 2 teams that run turrets in tourneys!

Impossibruuuuuu

Your team does.

Also, whatever argument people have for turrets right now, it does not change the fact that it’s braindead and takes no skill. Same goes for slickshoes, gear shield, z-axis teleports on d/d ele, etc.

The OP is bad and will stay bad even if Warrior becomes broken.

We don’t want another D/D ele, or another hambow, or another “please give me an evade frame eater skill because I’m too bad to land important skills.”

Nerf to balance is the answer. But lets give warrior instant cast bulls charge, evade-eater Fear Me, and 50% attack speed on axe anyways.

FINALLY. Things are actually happening.

It’s true, the problem isn’t might stacking or celestial. It’s the classes themselves. Cele Engi would be more balanced if it didn’t have a frame eater and 16 second shield or stun break every 23 seconds.

D/D Ele would be balanced if it couldn’t z-axis teleport and have perma-vigor + protection.

Just pathetic. Even shoutbow is balanced compared to those and shoutbow is easy and effective.

Lets just say balancing in this game isn’t that great cause the devs refuse to improve. Its only a little bit better from launch which is still absolutely bad.

Oh and lets not forget how braindead Guardian and Ranger is as a class compared to Thief. And power necro. All of those things are like Turret Engis compared to Thief really.

Panic strike should really be the least of anyone’s worries cause at least Thief is punishable compared to so many things.

P.S
You people want actual hard mode that’s effective? Just play DPS Warrior Hammer + Axe or Mace MH + Axe MH with Frenzy. I would say Mesmer too but then Medi-guard and Long Bow Ranger and a lot of things make it anti-fun to play Mesmer.

glock.6590:

crit strikes thief= high risk high reward
panic strike thief= medium risk medium reward
S/D thief= low risk low reward

Isint that how it should be? Why do people QQ. Crit strikes is still good but its just hard to play in this meta thats why nobody plays it. Its much better to play an easier build and do something for your team instead of being downstate food and then claim that your hard build is not viable anymore.

Edit: Also nothing is more braindead than a shoutbow warr or a turret engi. If they nerf panic strike cuz it was ‘’too easy to play’ then LOL are you kittening serious.

Nothing is also more braindead than d/d ele and cele engi. Shoutbow is only 5% harder than those two specs because it can’t handle chain CC gank.

Cele engi? You don’t need to land grenades from max range anymore, all you do is hard bait dodges and then you CC chain people to death with your instant cast overcharge and frame-eater slick shoes which can’t be evaded, blocked AND eats through stability stacks. And if you get focused? Just use slick shoes stun break jumping puzzle every 23 seconds, get vampirism runes and 16 second gear shield, gg.

D/D Ele? Getting focus fired? Just spam mobility, heals, stun breaks and z-axis teleports and call it skill. In a 1v1 against someone? Just spam protection fire breath ice breath and block projectiles with earth attune #2. Like even S/F ele is braindead now that they buffed z-axis.

Panic strike is more balanced than any of those because at least Thief as a class just takes more skill than any meta crap that Ele or Engi has. Thief at least dies to random cleave and can’t have perma-vigor or protection up-time.

TL;DR Karl Mclain for president, and Jon Peters for vice president mistress secretary.

Tornado on Engi isn’t bad because you can chain an overcharged shot after it. And it eats through blocks too and peels for your team mates. You can also tornado res or stomp if you spam F while you cast elixir X.

I do agree that Rampage is just better in every way though.

darres.8203:

jsut give them 5 turret engis

+111111111

Yep. That’s basically always been that way because it’s the same people balancing from spirit ranger/hambow days.