hello as you already might know anet has added asscended gear which is supposed to be a hard gear to get for basicly free from pvp the shards are way to easy to get, also what is better spend 600-800 gold on full set or play pvp for 1 day for full set ? this needs some heavy nerfing.
Seeing how you can’t even get a full set in the whole season….. how can you get a full set in a single day? Or are you making wild claims because you are upset that another game mode has an option to receive Ascended that Isn’t PvE/WvW?
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if you actually open your eyes and look at the ingame rewards last chest byzantium says repeatable and it has 250 shards so its not a once in a season thing
And see below maybe you should actually finish the rewards and open your eyes and see for yourself you only get the shards for the first play through instead of calling crying on the forums without actually knowing what you are talking about.
if its only enuf shards for one set of gear per season then its fine
otherwise it would have been a huge advantage to pvp guys …
You can’t even get a full set, let’s do a little math.
The first two chests are 150 shards ea so 300, the two second tier chests are 200 ea so 400, we are at 700 shards total and the last two chests are 250 ea for 500 and a grand total of 1200 shards in one season.
Lets look at The Ascended costs starting with Armor, Gloves 150, Helm 150, shoulders 175, Chest 400, Legs 275, feet 150. For a grand total of 1300 shards needed for a complete set of Armor. This does not include trinkets or weapons.
Now let’s include weapons and trinkets, weapons are 250 ea for 1H or 500 ea for 2 h so 500 total for one weapon set so since most characters have two weapon sets that an additional 1000 shards needed so a total of 1800-2300 shards, Then you have your trinkets rings at 200 ea so 400, necklace at 175, accessories at 150 ea so 300.
For a grand total of 2675-3175 shards for a full set of Ascended Gear.
Which means to get a full set of Ascended items from shards it would take 2.2 to 2.6 seasons which would be at a minimum 6 months since season timeframe and offseason time gate.
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hello as you already might know anet has added asscended gear which is supposed to be a hard gear to get for basicly free from pvp the shards are way to easy to get, also what is better spend 600-800 gold on full set or play pvp for 1 day for full set ? this needs some heavy nerfing.
Seeing how you can’t even get a full set in the whole season….. how can you get a full set in a single day? Or are you making wild claims because you are upset that another game mode has an option to receive Ascended that Isn’t PvE/WvW?
snip.
if you actually open your eyes and look at the ingame rewards last chest byzantium says repeatable and it has 250 shards so its not a once in a season thing
And see below maybe you should actually finish the rewards and open your eyes and see for yourself you only get the shards for the first play through instead of calling crying on the forums without actually knowing what you are talking about.
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I’m not sure what it used to be like, but the harsh numbers I’m seeing when you loose in bronze make it seem kind of daunting. If in the previous system you didn’t lose progress up the chain for losses im not sure you are really seeing my point.
Sure in silver or gold you get scrubs and trolls. But as the system is designed eventually all of those people will be crowding bronze…so the entry level is going to be this giant pool of people who are terribad and who are new….those aren’t the same thing.
It seems like from what you all are saying the sorting hat was at least somewhat swayed by your past rating which, to my understanding, didn’t punish you for being on a sick team by potentially dropping you lower in the ranking?
Basically, getting out of Bronze is now, by design, a fight against the worst and the newest and since they can’t pick teams it feels like it’ll just get more daunting as more of the worst filter in from both sides. Bronze will be the Only one with this problem because the people moving from Bronze to silver will have had to basically been capable of carrying teams of noobs and trolls so consistently that I would guess they will probably be better than the people who are getting a boost from their previous experience?
Entry level shouldn’t always be done the way high level is done is my point I suppose
There is no problem with Entry level, no one starts in Bronze unless they tank their placement matches, if you are decent enough and/or have a decent teammate you won’t be stuck in Bronze, you seem to be under the assumption that everyone not in high tiers will be in bronze, this is not the case since people will always be moving up and down dynamically.
You can’t assign different rules between lower and upper tiers in the same rank structure, that does absolutely nothing for the health of the leagues.and if you or other people are in Bronze that will most likely mean you need to learn more about the strategies/mechanics and gives you the environment to pratice/learn in and theoretically you will all be near the same skill level. Once you improve your rating will increase and you will move forward this is how all competitive modes should be, yes it sucks that it is restricted to solo/duo since this is a 5v5 team gamemode design.
That’s not quite true though is it because if you listen to some of the other people in bronze that won 7/10 of their games and some of the people in silver or gold who had a worse ratio they clearly grandfathered a lot of you all in. And since they did, all the experienced players are up in silver and beyond.
Again the issue is not that I don’t plan to “get good” the problem I’m trying to be forward is that having the entry level be the same place you send you trolls and rejects is an inherently bad idea when the only way out is via a win loss ratio.
I’m willing to just give it a chance and see how the numbers play out but when I’m winning three games with +25 each time then losing 4 games at -23 each in a division where winning or loosing is almost entirely a dice roll there really is very little hope.
I think the system is an improvement from all I’ve read and heard, I just see this as a single big glowing weak spot.
When you say +25 and -23, do you mean the final scores are 475-500 or 500-477?
No I mean the points it gives you to move within the ranks. Like when I win I get between 30-25 points and when I lose I lose about 23-27 points….
So…I’m not sure how we can get upward mobility in bronze short of being on a hard winning streak with zero bad luck for a few weeks….which seems wrong since clearly everyone in silver and gold aren’t just winning every match.
I’d say you should be able to reliably move up if you are well above 50% win ratio right? But holding that in the dice roll of bronze is going bro be tougher and tougher as the bass funnel from both sides.
Again this is not a W/L ratio system it is a MMR driven system, if you win against players with Higher MMR the more points you receive if you lose the less points you lose now the exact opposite is true if you Win or Lose against lower MMR teams, you will gain less and lose More.
I’m not sure what it used to be like, but the harsh numbers I’m seeing when you loose in bronze make it seem kind of daunting. If in the previous system you didn’t lose progress up the chain for losses im not sure you are really seeing my point.
Sure in silver or gold you get scrubs and trolls. But as the system is designed eventually all of those people will be crowding bronze…so the entry level is going to be this giant pool of people who are terribad and who are new….those aren’t the same thing.
It seems like from what you all are saying the sorting hat was at least somewhat swayed by your past rating which, to my understanding, didn’t punish you for being on a sick team by potentially dropping you lower in the ranking?
Basically, getting out of Bronze is now, by design, a fight against the worst and the newest and since they can’t pick teams it feels like it’ll just get more daunting as more of the worst filter in from both sides. Bronze will be the Only one with this problem because the people moving from Bronze to silver will have had to basically been capable of carrying teams of noobs and trolls so consistently that I would guess they will probably be better than the people who are getting a boost from their previous experience?
Entry level shouldn’t always be done the way high level is done is my point I suppose
There is no problem with Entry level, no one starts in Bronze unless they tank their placement matches, if you are decent enough and/or have a decent teammate you won’t be stuck in Bronze, you seem to be under the assumption that everyone not in high tiers will be in bronze, this is not the case since people will always be moving up and down dynamically.
You can’t assign different rules between lower and upper tiers in the same rank structure, that does absolutely nothing for the health of the leagues.and if you or other people are in Bronze that will most likely mean you need to learn more about the strategies/mechanics and gives you the environment to pratice/learn in and theoretically you will all be near the same skill level. Once you improve your rating will increase and you will move forward this is how all competitive modes should be, yes it sucks that it is restricted to solo/duo since this is a 5v5 team gamemode design.
That’s not quite true though is it because if you listen to some of the other people in bronze that won 7/10 of their games and some of the people in silver or gold who had a worse ratio they clearly grandfathered a lot of you all in. And since they did, all the experienced players are up in silver and beyond.
Again the issue is not that I don’t plan to “get good” the problem I’m trying to be forward is that having the entry level be the same place you send you trolls and rejects is an inherently bad idea when the only way out is via a win loss ratio.
I’m willing to just give it a chance and see how the numbers play out but when I’m winning three games with +25 each time then losing 4 games at -23 each in a division where winning or loosing is almost entirely a dice roll there really is very little hope.
I think the system is an improvement from all I’ve read and heard, I just see this as a single big glowing weak spot.
There was a Soft Mmr reset so everyone was brought closer to the 1200 Mmr which is the baseline for new accts and so on, so no one starts with a bronze Mmr even in the Placement matches unless their Mmr was extremely low.
It’s not based on a win/loss ratio thought it is based on beating people with similar/higher Mmr if you lose to them your loss in mmr is lower if you lose against a lower mmr player the loss is bigger, and the win will be smaller.
With Solo queue their is always randomness but the matchmaker is designed to put you with people of similar Mmr, no match maker can acct for human deviation with being a troll and so on.
Just play the season improve because 1 person can carry in some cases and two players teamed up can do so slightly easier, it isn’t perfect but it is possible. And you are under the assumption all trolls and such will be sent to Bronze which may not be the case they will more than likely be spread throughout all tiers of play.
I’m not sure what it used to be like, but the harsh numbers I’m seeing when you loose in bronze make it seem kind of daunting. If in the previous system you didn’t lose progress up the chain for losses im not sure you are really seeing my point.
Sure in silver or gold you get scrubs and trolls. But as the system is designed eventually all of those people will be crowding bronze…so the entry level is going to be this giant pool of people who are terribad and who are new….those aren’t the same thing.
It seems like from what you all are saying the sorting hat was at least somewhat swayed by your past rating which, to my understanding, didn’t punish you for being on a sick team by potentially dropping you lower in the ranking?
Basically, getting out of Bronze is now, by design, a fight against the worst and the newest and since they can’t pick teams it feels like it’ll just get more daunting as more of the worst filter in from both sides. Bronze will be the Only one with this problem because the people moving from Bronze to silver will have had to basically been capable of carrying teams of noobs and trolls so consistently that I would guess they will probably be better than the people who are getting a boost from their previous experience?
Entry level shouldn’t always be done the way high level is done is my point I suppose
There is no problem with Entry level, no one starts in Bronze unless they tank their placement matches, if you are decent enough and/or have a decent teammate you won’t be stuck in Bronze, you seem to be under the assumption that everyone not in high tiers will be in bronze, this is not the case since people will always be moving up and down dynamically.
You can’t assign different rules between lower and upper tiers in the same rank structure, that does absolutely nothing for the health of the leagues.and if you or other people are in Bronze that will most likely mean you need to learn more about the strategies/mechanics and gives you the environment to pratice/learn in and theoretically you will all be near the same skill level. Once you improve your rating will increase and you will move forward this is how all competitive modes should be, yes it sucks that it is restricted to solo/duo since this is a 5v5 team gamemode design.