Guild Wars 2

Yannir.4132:

I think this problem is not in the skills themselves but in the ground texture, that’s why it is so hard to fix. Just yesterday an engineer in PvP accidentally made a vertical Thunderclap that didn’t hit anyone, making it not a class issue but an issue with all ground targeted skills. But since rev skills are not placeable, the problem shows more frequently.

Here is a question for you cause its interesing one. Earthshaker, Phase smash and Anguish are quite similiar in it own way. They all leap to x area, if you end up hitting in “air” earthshaker and phase will do nothing, but not anguish. Despite landing in air you still create a field on the ground that damages just fine. It also doesnt suffer from issues like searing. If the field is down, it will always hit. Why?

Now the funny trick i found with searing issue is that if it doesnt hit on terrain (even flat sometimes) doing a jump before it goes off usually fixes that issue, it also goes to rift (axe 5).

Moreover which i been abusing hard in wvw – in certain places you can hit anything above/below you with searing issue/rift. At SM with proper position you can hit people on cannon while at veloka you can hit ppl under you at cata spot.

There are tons of abilities that hits just fine, if anything its down to their kitten poor code. Another example – shacking wave and Glint elite will miss on uneven terrain like stairs, maul doesnt have that issue. I could write a book about it honestly.

They should honestly take a deep look at how Dark Souls armors looks like..
http://darksouls3.wiki.fextralife.com/Armor

Have fun, many of them are masterpieces like Lothric Knight Set, Undead Legion Set, Knight Set, Wolf Knight Set, Elite Knight Set

and the stars being Faraam Armor, Outrider Knight Armor Set.

Also.. why nearly all helmets ingame are open? Where are helmets which would cover whole face like phalanx or partially like charr t3?

It does cause its bugged

Cynz.9437:

BeepBoopBop.5403:

Cynz.9437:

Been like this since HoT came out, say hello to revs. I saw backstab and heartseeker hitting for 10 dmg lol.

EremiteAngel.9765:

is evis still undodgeable?

Are we playing same game?

Been a known bug for a while now.

i never had issues dodging it

Are you trolling or something? Evi hits in evade frames right now. These peeps..

Interpret Interrupt.3824:

Hot on my other account. Yes it is legendary warrior.
I was checking out f2p to help out some friends.

So it seems like the problem is additive damage reduction instead of multiplicative.
Is that bad design?
As it stands, all other classes have multiplied damage reduction. Rev would be the first with additive.

More like, rev is full of bugs and additive reduction is most likely one of them. I really wont be surprised if it is.

Worst case scenarios? Its happens on daily. I understand that im not supposed to run Shiro if i reject to pick up sword. Well how about we bring the interval back to 1sec? It wont change a thing after all except balance out hammer vs sword proc rate. Im okay with that, one reason less to complain about ED being trash skill.

And yes, purpose of healing skill is to save your kitten, not increase your damage output, hence the name healing in it. WHAO was nerfed literally next day when people used it to stack boons rather than as healing ability bc thats the purpose of healing skill, to heal up, not to damage which is too high either way.

As for “specific” situations i could write a book about them. I just gave you 2 examples which nobody can even counter. But feel free to point me out other healing abilities that suffers from similiar issues

Ravenmoon.5318:

Burtnik.5218:

Rite proc from rev? Rev atm with protection+vengeful hammers (20%) and rite can reduce all incoming damage by 100% and rev wont take any damage unless you apply vul to him. It should work similiar in similiar way to ele drastically reducing damage but unlike rev he wont gain 100% reduction. If i recall correctly there was a thread some time ago with a 12 damage vault on ele.

Thats said ele sustain is over the top and we all know it.

Well if they get hit for less than 20 damage by one of the most powerful abilities in game, they don’t really need to sustain

Last time i checked, evi was hitting like wet noodle. You see, despite evi being undogable due to bug nobody crying about it as nobody care about it lolwat damage. It something you can facetank nowdays and use /laugh during that time

Reality is that rev is carried by Glint heal. Scrubs just feed rev back to full and with the amount of active defenses theres no problem to stay long enough for another glint heal and repeat the circle unless you are focused in 1vX or fighting condi class. Mallyx heal also heals for 10k+ nowdays due to the amount of necros feeding with condi.

No matter how hard i would try, i wont make all haels sound terrible. As i said even thief venom is better as you dont have interval nor projectiles to bother with. Theres only 2 healing skills which are worse than ED and that is blood reckoning and water spirit.

You also keep throwing strawman argument about two healing skill while in other classes you either have single strong healing ability with far lower cd’s or ability to recover by other means or even both like druid. But assuming ED is fine and you use it the way it was supposed to be. How are you plan to heal up with 8+ confusion stacks on you from mes with ED? Im really curious. Before you answer second heal;

You 1v1 chrono, start off with ED, as the fight goes on he overload you with condi (20sec passed), you use Glint heal, he managed to overload you with condi again (10sec passed), ED is off cd but Glint still need 20cd to go off. So how are you going to heal up with ED?

Thing is as the fight drags on your second heal will always be on cd leaving you with ED only, if youre already on 3k or whatever ED is completely worthless, if you try to trigger if without UA youll die. They way ED works outside of sword mh is just terrible. But i see noone has balls to drop sword mh?

Lets also not forget that ED is HEALING ABILITY, not utility skill. Its should work with whatever i want so wtf combos you speak about? Combo for healing skill? My lord, please stop. Whats next, elite spec with greatsword and i wont be able to pair gs with hammer due to ED? Or mace/axe with slow condi rifle/longbow? Bound to sword forever as long i want to use Shiro? Sorry but thats pure bs, lets not even talk about build diversity here. Really stop. And i dropped hammer since CoR nerf.

Btw. Also you missed the point when i talk about all gamemodes, not spvp exclusive where ele will carry you the whole game bc that what makes rev really strong nowdays. Like i said, under a enemy keep wall you wont heal up with ED at all. You wont heal up while being chased by zerg either. And even in pve during traveling you have to stop and attack to heal up wasting time.

Imo based on this “combo logic” i guess we should lock weapons to legends really. Want to use hammer? Equip Jalis, scrub. Want to use staff? Equip Ventari or gtfo. Want to use mace/axe? You better camp this Mallyx. Want to use Shiro? Better equip sword or play without healing ability lel

Rite proc from rev? Rev atm with protection+vengeful hammers (20%) and rite can reduce all incoming damage by 100% and rev wont take any damage unless you apply vul to him. It should work similiar in similiar way to ele drastically reducing damage but unlike rev he wont gain 100% reduction. If i recall correctly there was a thread some time ago with a 12 damage vault on ele.

Thats said ele sustain is over the top and we all know it.

Kayberz.5346:

Burtnik, your just bad.
Your going way out of your way to convince people (and yourself subconsciously) that shiro heal is bad so that you can have an excuse for why you suck at revenant, and thats probably also why you dont even play the game anymore yet constantly troll the forums, because if you dont play you wont find yourself in the position of constant failure, but you can talk on the forums all you want about how “broken” this games pvp is without actually taking part in it yourself, and im sure all of your “remove weapon swap on rev” posts is a result of you just wanting rev to be easier with less options/ buttons to press to play the class 100% optimally

Bottem line: shiro heal is GREAT and anyone saying otherwise has l2p issues and doesn’t understand how to properly use it and as an extension doesnt know how to play revenant correctly

Funny enough that over 900 ranked match since s1 i havent lost a 1v1 to another rev yet and some random scrub calls me bad, gg wp. I guess you can only insult people without seening them in game as you have no counter arguments to the examples i provided, right? If you get killed you blame lags/ddos too most likely right?

Srsly tho, show me in any post i have made so far where i struggled to play rev (not to mention that im only of the few who claims that power rev should wipe floor with reaper 1v1), just bc i stopped playing the game due to many reasons behind it doesnt mean my info is not up to date, espesially when i played during the first week of s2 and made it to diamond, then left as my ques were 1h+ long.

Imho you can do whatever you want, it wont change the fact that what i said is not an opinion but reality.

Ross Biddle.2367:

Cynz.9437:

Burtnik.5218:

Or maybe thief ends up stuck inside a wall or being unable to move till he wont use another mobility skill? But its okay, kid, i will leave it at this point, no reason to argue with someone who thinks reveal is op.

I got stuck in the walls plenty of times and couldn’t use port skills either. I had to relog actually.

You guys want to talk stuck in terrain bugs. Let’s not forget Rev’s special power in that regard XD

https://youtu.be/Mj0ZvV0x_SA?t=297

I did the same thing with ranger lb 4.. many times. Its problem with the maps being bugged as kitten.

Swagger.1459:

Burtnik.5218:

Jekkt.6045:

Burtnik.5218:

Tbh i hope they nerf all elite specs into really deep kitten – down to alternative playstyles.

tell eles to play alternative playstyles lol.

Eles and warriors needs overhaul in form of a new skills/traits tbh. Those are the two classes that will be either too weak or too strong due to their desing. Give them low numbers and they will sux, give them high numbers and they becomes a monster. There is no way to create middle ground for them atm

All professions need an overhaul. Also, the devs need to start balancing things separately between the competitive side and pve.

All? Not really. In most cases the abilities are good but they need a few tweaks – like being able to move during zealot defense or remove projectiles from sword auto on guard. Warrior and ele are on a whole different spot here.

You can give zerk ele some sustain, but then he will be literally “god walking amongs mere mortals” in bunker build as youll always find a way to abuse it in their current desing or you can nerf their bunker build, buff zerker and end up with some either some unplayable kitten or another broken build due to their insta cast damage. You will either remove bunker build, or zerk build as theres no way to promote build diversity in their case as it stands now.

There is a time for some number tweaks or small changes and theres is a time for a whole rekit. Both ele and war should get scrapped and redesigned from 0.

Jekkt.6045:

Burtnik.5218:

Tbh i hope they nerf all elite specs into really deep kitten – down to alternative playstyles.

tell eles to play alternative playstyles lol.

Eles and warriors needs overhaul in form of a new skills/traits tbh. Those are the two classes that will be either too weak or too strong due to their desing. Give them low numbers and they will sux, give them high numbers and they becomes a monster. There is no way to create middle ground for them atm

Tbh i hope they nerf all elite specs into really deep kitten – down to alternative playstyles.

Over current ugly noise circle? I completely forgot about this vid.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8Hd3G895GI

Sirendor.1394:

Burtnik.5218:

Forestgreen.7981:

Sorry its not just that one ability that is broken.
Sword 3 needs a nerf too. Not damage but ways for other classes to counter like anytime it gets blocked/blinded the ability will end early and staff 5 shouldn’t strip 5 stacks of stability and cc everyone into the ground.
Shield 5 shouldn’t give 3 seconds of block while healing so much, it needs to be a short 1-2s block.

Can rapid fire stop attacking when i blind/dodge/block it too? Or volley or in fact all channeled abilities ingame? They should also break on stealth. See how stupid it look? Tyvm.

Also shield is already trash, thx to forum people that never heard about unblockables. Meanwhile hurr durr gear shield on 13cd with 3 second block. Cool story brah

Unrelenting assault is like Hundred blades with evades, with lock on target, with teleport. Would you like it if every warrior had this now?

UA doesnt hit nowhere as hard as HB. But even if you would give war a skill like that i wont care. Tell you why? Cause i have no issues dealing with it. You literally have no idea how hard you can punish a rev when he exists UA. On my warrior i just gunflame them in face for over half hp as example.

Cynz.9437:

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The only thing rev replaced was thief, nothing else. War never worked well as zerker due to his poor desing, it was always gimmick outshined by other builds (basically thief been pushing out all zerker builds except guard for a whole 3 years while were at it)

If anything, war was replaced by ele/druid. Same goes for bunker guardian which was replaced by ele.

Even if we delete rev from the game, dh wont be used, war wont be used either. The only class that may benefit from removal of rev is thief and even then im not sure about it as druid has ridiculous ooc mobility with staff/gs.

Also if you ever bothered to take look at my document (and other posters here) you would notice that i proposed nerfs to Shiro mobility, his damage output in 1v1, surge, double stab on dodge etc. to bring rev in more healthy state but theres also a good amount of buffs to unused stuff obviously.

Sykper.6583:

They took over Warrior spot.

In other words, they took me jerb!

Was dps warrior ever meta? Outside of bullrush combo? I remember soldier hambow, cele junk shoutbow.. but zerker war? Hmm.. not at all. If anything they took over thief spot.

People who complain about revenant are the same people who complained about warrior in the past (and look where they are now). Yet im pretty sure they would get rekt 1v1 by warrior on their cutter cookie meta build.

Booms.3952:

Burtnik.5218:

Forestgreen.7981:

Sorry its not just that one ability that is broken.
Sword 3 needs a nerf too. Not damage but ways for other classes to counter like anytime it gets blocked/blinded the ability will end early and staff 5 shouldn’t strip 5 stacks of stability and cc everyone into the ground.
Shield 5 shouldn’t give 3 seconds of block while healing so much, it needs to be a short 1-2s block.

Can rapid fire stop attacking when i blind/dodge/block it too? Or volley or in fact all channeled abilities ingame? They should also break on stealth. See how stupid it look? Tyvm.

Also shield is already trash, thx to forum people that never heard about unblockables. Meanwhile hurr durr gear shield on 13cd with 3 second block. Cool story brah

hey i understand that you think youre an ok player because you play the most broken spec in the game, but the rest of us are trying to balance ty

I dont play rev and i dont play the game. You dont see my signature? Also i mained war, followed by ranger and guardian pre hot (not to mention that i was on gw2 since launch). Sword 3 is channeled ability just like the stuff i mentioned. Want apply it to UA? Apply it to everything else. Thats balance in case you didnt know. Time to git gut man.

And in case if you didnt know UA was already nerfed in duration by 0.5sec and damage by 22% while remaining kitten vs X number of targets.

Forestgreen.7981:

Sorry its not just that one ability that is broken.
Sword 3 needs a nerf too. Not damage but ways for other classes to counter like anytime it gets blocked/blinded the ability will end early and staff 5 shouldn’t strip 5 stacks of stability and cc everyone into the ground.
Shield 5 shouldn’t give 3 seconds of block while healing so much, it needs to be a short 1-2s block.

Can rapid fire stop attacking when i blind/dodge/block it too? Or volley or in fact all channeled abilities ingame? They should also break on stealth. See how stupid it look? Tyvm.

Also shield is already trash, thx to forum people that never heard about unblockables. Meanwhile hurr durr gear shield on 13cd with 3 second block. Cool story brah

Imho lets not even go into the theme as jade winds was purple, Shiro been using red-orange clothes and we received some green kitten? Makes sense really.

I dont think that current heal fits Shiro. Even litany of wrath fits Shiro better -now thats the thing that promotes to go kitten mode unlike ED as you can gain massive healing for dealing damage if you know what you doing. Is ED even close to it? No.

You also might happen to not always start the fight in Shiro if for example someone jump on you when you been in Glint.. But either way even when i pop up ED first i have to use my second heal right after to actually survive cause triggering these daggers takes too much time due to kittened interval. Trading hits is not an option. This situation doesnt happen with Mallyx/Glint. One is enough to keep me going on while Shiro forced me to swap as soon i pop it up most of the time and i pop it up after i lose ~2k hp. Mind you that i use berserker, viper amulet, not casual marauder/paladin which means i have just 15k hp.

Theres also question what we do understand by “not being amazing in every situation”.
For me healing skill is supposed to keep me up, like Jalis, like Mallyx or Glint and in fact all other healing abilities in game. Shiro heal is the only one that may not help you at all if you are already on low hp. It doesnt do it job when i run away from zerg or whatever, all i can get is 1,6k and that is.

Am i supposed to yell “LEEERROOOY SHIRO” and go yolo vs 30+ people to heal up? Hahahah, sorry, wont happen. That means it doesnt do it job and is not worthy to be called healing skill. By picking Shiro you basically play witohut healing ability. ED is a dps boost, if it was utility skill.. okay np mate, but as healing skill no kittening way.

Lets also not forget that no healing ability has so many counters in this game like Shiro. Usually to every heal there are 2 counters – interrupt, poison. What Shiro has?

-deflect
-reflect
-dodge
-block
-blind
-outrange the projectiles
-poison
-confusion
-obstructed (yes, it happens a lot)
-cc (to prevent you from hitting)
-kiting (heavy aoes under your foot to make sure you wont step in it etc)

Now which other healing ability has so many counters? When i been fighting other rev ( also from pro league) i always pressured the kitten out of them as they tried to heal up with daggers forcing them to go defensive for example.

How do you think.. why people continues to use shield over sword offhand which is better nowdays? Reliable healing obviously, even if the values are kitten nowday.

By being weaker i mean lower values to cd ratio. While other classes can get 400hp/s+ per healing ability or has multiple resources of healing to get it done, we gain similiar amount (in theory) by using both of them off cd. Look at Mallyx heal as example – while it heals for quite a bit more than Jalis/Shiro if you have condi on you, it doesnt remove them unlike Consume Conditions.

For me theres no way for Shiro ED to stay the way it is. It should heal far more on the cast – 4k at least and 2,5k can come off the daggers. If it has to come with damage nerf or whatever, idc personally. Its healing skill and i except it to work like healing ability, not like some dps booster.

If you think ED is fine, dont combo it up with UA. Just dont. Tell me how it actually worked for you, espesially with the slow kitten called hammer – its just ridiculous.

Jong.5937:

I kinda agree. Not asking for a buff, but an optional trade-off in traits (cleanse on shield skill?) would be fine. I run Glint/Shiro and feel locked into running staff, just to have a good dependable cleanse. It’s just dull have to run one specific legend or be forced in weapon choice not to be dead meat to any condi.

I dont like Shiro being the only one legend with mobility as it lock all builds into it that are not bunker.. yet here we are till they dont release another legend with mobility via elite spec. I think that the idea behind pros and weakness to all legends is good but poorly executed in current state.

Also as mentioned, theres already enough kittening about rev being op, if you add condi cleanse to that.. rip.

Forum bug yolo, will you ever fix it?

Behellagh.1468:

When players are saying “half an expansion” they are talking about value, that it wasn’t $60 worth of expansion in their mind but only $30. MO’s saw “half an expansion” as suggesting that they didn’t deliver on half what was promised during the HoT announcement Jan 2015 at PAX South.

Imo i feel they would make far more money if it was cheaper. Also that no slot for basic version fiasco for revenant. Both caused rage on community part. And lets be honest here, we cant really call HoT an expansion, its moree like boxed ls3/dlc.

Thing is people beg for expansion as Anet development was and is slow as kitten for unknow reason to us. New legendaries that was supposed to come in 2013, new professions skills over time and so on.. and yet here we are, 4 legendaries and elite specs (just one per class!) locked behind paywall and on top of that res tof legendaries is basically canceled. No discount for vets on price etc.

Many actually looking for april update in all gamemodes, if they fail to deliver i bet they will lose a large part of playerbase. We all know what how terrible S2 pvp for example along with op braindead elite specs. Its literally their last chance to get out of this hole.

They should release balance patch notes already to let us laugh for 2h straight

If you cant beat “diamonds” then youre not worthy to be one, sorry. Also division doesnt mean a kitten either way.

Shiro/Glint build doesnt need any buff to condi cleanse nor doesnt deserve one. If anything you should ask for Mallyx to actually be the condi eater like he was supposed to be.

Ghbdate.3976:

Others tried to be nice… I won’t.
Simply put: you are bad.

Oh, nice arguments there m8. Now if you dont mind, crawl back into your cave, random.
Ps. i was trying to be nice.

Its beena while and still no word whatsoever.. I guess they will get away with it. See ya at xpac #2 with another 3 legendary weapons /shrug

Here is the thing. It doesn even hit Shiro theme. If it did it would summon al like blood fied to lifesteal.

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Shiro'ken

or it would use his heal from gw1.

https://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Meditation_of_the_Reaper

So how it does fits is theme when that skill is made out of thin air and has basically nothing to do with Shiro, huh? Please look at this page and show me similiar skill.

Also people keep mentioning 2 heals without realizing that one of them might be on cd and your only option is Shiro. Its like saying assassins annihilation is a slighty weaker version of healing signet cause it heals for over 300/sec.. nope. Also we have weaker heals cause they are balanced at each other and its part of the reason why something like Jalis heal for 5,5k top (more often than not just 3k)

So you have no issue in 1vX to heal up, trigger all daggers, even if all the cc’s, blinds, slow are being throw to make sure you wont have easy time attacking, correct?

You also have no issue to heal up in wvw with Shiro heal under a keep when enemies throws all the possible aoes in game, right? If you say “you have support eles to heal you” you already proved how kitten this heal is by yourself if you cant even use it to heal and survive. Similiar story applies to pve as well.

I am not even going to mention how often i got downed behind a gate in my tower from few stacks of bleed cus i couldnt use amazing shiro daggers to heal up as they need a target.. how ironic as it lead so situation where i will have to die trying to trigger them up or run to a tower and get downed. In either case i already lost and have to rebuild bloodlust while with a proper healing ability i would survive inside the tower just fine.

It also applies to gate in stronghold if you defend against a hero where none of the daggers will connect despite landing a hit to enemy so your best bet is to step away to reset while enemy ele heals this kitten back to full as you coulnt apply pressure during that time and his friend necro waiting with marks off cd to make sure you will regret coming back.

But if you have no issue with any of the above, then please teach me senpai.

Also ones thing that bother me even more, why shiro daggers doesnt work the way like https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Skelk_Venom ? All you have to do is hit and be done, no daggers, no other gimmick, no need to be careful for reflect which will heal your enemy instead and damage you, nothing. If you hit = you heal. Lets also not even talk about the duration and the fact it doesnr suffer from interval. If you wanted to compare heals this is your best bet. kitteneless ability which nobody would pick yet still superior to ED.

I doubt we will see many changes. Mostly we will get few shaves to current builds and thats about it. When unviable stuff will become viable? Never. They just dont know what they doing, simple as that. Rev sword and stab on dodge for CORE rev is the best example of it.. they “fixed” something that wasnt broken in the first place.

Toughness is garbage. The DR on % is way too harsh. You can stack up to 2650~ armor but anything above that is literally a waste of stats. Zerker is the only way to go unless they buff toughness. General rule is “kill it before it kill you”

Lonewolf Kai.3682:

You guys are doing Shiro completely wrong. He’s one of the betters.

For the heal, don’t think of it as a traditional heal. If you are, you’re using the heal wrong.

Think of it this way: a Ranger doesn’t use Troll Unguent when he’s sitting at 10% health does he?

A ranger uses troll unguent and kites around while he regen up hp. A Shiro rev has to be in your face, trade hits and on top of that deal with interval between daggers cus reasons. On top of that he has to be careful for enemy deflect/reflect and anything else related to projectiles like terrain.

See the difference? A mesmer can just put confusion on you and call it a day. If you try to heal up, youll die. If you wont do anything, youll die. Shiro heal is also TERRIBLE when you using hammer. Its one of the worst heals ingame that lack synergy with everything that inst hurr durr unre assault for save 3 proc.

And while we are at confusion.. what ranger with troll doing? Stealth, run in circles, creates a gap and he regen up. Your comprasion is so wrong on so many levels that i dont know really.

Interpret Interrupt.3824:

Burtnik.5218:

You wot m8?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7d1BZDPL8KA

Complaining about skill that fails to teleport most of the time for no reason whatsoever? Gut stuff.. i need some too

This is the definition of banging your head into a wall instead of realizing the pathing and positioning to the left.
L2p issue in this video.
Use it against revs all the time.

Skill still strong with the unblocked 2 attacks.

It happens on flat terrain if you have a small stone on your way as well. Its also fails to teleport ona ledge where mes/theif ported jsut fine witohut any issues. L2p issue too? And lastly, JI didnt had any issue whatsoever to teleport unlike PT. Explain me this l2p issue?

You wot m8?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7d1BZDPL8KA

Complaining about skill that fails to teleport most of the time for no reason whatsoever? Gut stuff.. i need some too

Try dueling servers and show me anyone using hammer rev there.. better yet, make your own video pwning people with it, good luck, im interesed to see one personally.

WvW dueling is not something i can take serious, usually people there lack mechanical skill but makes up for it by broken gear. Perx runes are a regular thing there for obvious reason as one example.

The fact remains – hammer is trash just like his “master” Jalis. Both worth each other..

Cynz.9437:

Burtnik.5218:

Cynz.9437:

they were designed to be broken

True that, nobody suffers from so many bugs like rev does – terrain is biggest rev enemy. Beta class, nothing else.

Being serious if it was true as you say then whole rev would be op. Now go ahead, play without herald and you find out that core rev is below trash level and even a warrior shouldnt have issues roflstomping it 1v1

LOL you want to tell thief player about terrain bugs!??? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, oh my sides, ohhhh dear, omg. You think revs!!! have it bad? AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA x__D

You think revs have most bugs lol? How convenient that some of them actually help revs. Try to actually play other classes for change lol.

The core rev is “trash” level (frankly all core specs are “trash” so i see nothing special about revs here) because elites are overtuned hence why i said all elites need nerfs. If you are incapable of reading, it is not my issue.

Oh.. what issues does thief experience except “no valid path” hm? Do you miss your hard hitting skills on a flat terrain? Does your skills deactivate just bc you stood next to wall/slope? Maybe your skills goes on cd without actually doing anything at all or when they were interrupted?

Or maybe thief ends up stuck inside a wall or being unable to move till he wont use another mobility skill? But its okay, kid, i will leave it at this point, no reason to argue with someone who thinks reveal is op. If anything it shows your “skill” and how much your opinions “matter” on this subject.

Also you missed what i said about core rev being beyond trash level that even warrior shouldnt have issues beating it, l2r.

Cynz.9437:

they were designed to be broken

True that, nobody suffers from so many bugs like rev does – terrain is biggest rev enemy. Beta class, nothing else.

Being serious if it was true as you say then whole rev would be op. Now go ahead, play without herald and you find out that core rev is below trash level and even a warrior shouldnt have issues roflstomping it 1v1

Luto.1938:

Cynz.9437:

Luto.1938:

Ravenmoon.5318:

Sooo let me get this straight.

You guys mind been hit for 8-9k by precision strike

But you are perfectly fine getting shot for 10k+ by true shot on similar cooldown by DH?

Makes kittening sense yo.

Also before complaining about revenant, try playing one. See how many kills you make and how many times you die. You are bad on it and you are bad against it.

Just facts of life.

P.S: Necromancers are a lot more powerful than revenants.

8-9k precision strike, 10k true shot… here I am over here threatening you with my wet noodle dagger with a 3k backstab crit.

^^so much this

Anet claimed that thieves are strong due to their mobility and high dmg hence why they lack everything else. Then they make revs that do more dmg than most classes, have survival than most classes, have mobility of the thief (yes they don’t have sb5 but their chasing ability, which can be used for +1 as well, is way better imo) and have great team support. Oh and they slapped 6 sec revealed on 20 sec Cd on top of it. How do you even name actions from devs like this?

Lets also compare Jade Winds to Basilisk Venom.

Jade Winds – 3 sec. stun 5 targets

Basilisk Venom – 2 sec. stun 1 target

Oh and btw, that’s just 1 of 2 elite abilities Rev can carry, not to mention 2 heals.

Jade Winds which is a risky move due to the fact it eats whole energy bar. And i cant believe ppl still think 2 heals are op.. espesially when we look at Shiro which has no real healing skill but more a dps boost that can be reflected to heal yourself.
Or Jalis heal – 5k hp, 30 cd. OP af nerf nao

Chaith.8256:

Highest realistic burst in PvP right now is Invocation/Devastation Marauder Rev,

Staff 5 into Legend Swap, into weapon swap, into Precision Strike. If you land it perfectly on somebody without damage reduction (good luck finding one though), it’s outright deletion.

Marauder? Thats for casuals

You mean i can crit someone for 4k if im lucky as opening, swap to sword and pretent i dont have wep swap, cause once i swap back to hammer i might as well /dance and type gg?

Shiro.. do you mean i have to use Shiro+waste all my energy to kite someone for 2 seconds while other ranged weps comes with knockbacks, chills/cripple/immobilize, gap openers and even stealth while this garbage has nothing of it?

Besides, hammer is a Jalis weapon, not Shiro. Do you see a connection here?

I want viable ranged wep choice, not garbage like Jalis – for me rev doesnt have any ranged weapon. Sword doing better job as ranged weapon than hammer and that sums it up. Hammer died in the moment where CoR cd was raised by 100%

Sirendor.1394:

The real question is: how to balance them against core?

Make them focus on a single role instead of being all around like now?

Justine.6351:

Burtnik.5218:

Yeah like.. where are ranged weapons? Both condi (espesially condi) and power has none.

Hammer is ranged power for revenant yes?

Whats that? Never heard about ranged hammer before. Can i kite people and deal proper amount of damage with it?

BeepBoopBop.5403:

I think it needs a shave. But don’t completely revert the changes. This skill was useless before other than using in a combo field for burning or something.

Maybe for you.. it was great at slowing down people that tried to kite you.
Thing is they nerfed UA and autoattack and moved damage from these abilities to #2 which created this issue. Op skill 1v1 but trash 1vX. I hope they change sword this patch bc its pathetic in current state.

Oh btw, lets also not forget that damage on sword skills is bugged and deals less than intended

Yeah like.. where are ranged weapons? Both condi (espesially condi) and power has none.

This is Anet.. no hope allowed unless youre masochist. Reality sux but oh well.

Im not sure what problem people have with retribution honestly, all traits are passives in one way or another. What i want is a revert to stab dodge nerf cause it didnt needed any nerf in the first place.. Karl behind the scenes haha.

Look, he hopes for any changes to underpowered legends ;D

If anything there will be only nerfs due to the crying community haha

Shadow purple is sexy. Generally speaking this set has tons of combinations, noone can pick them for you. You can pick main color like shadow X, charred, celestial whatever as your theme dye and follow with dark green for shiro, some blue for glint, dark blue for Jalis, dark purple for Mallyx or some intense yellow/gold for Ventari. Idea is to fit both your legends in dyes with your “general theme”

For example Mallyx/Shiro bad dude – shadow purple as theme or shadow abyss, “light up” parts vincent and the cloth shadow green or the other way around.