Guild Wars 2

phokus.8934:

You need to move beyond core specs as they’re complementary to elite specializations now. Elite specializations is the new game now. There’s no way that they’ll keep core specs on an even par with elite specializations – what’s the incentive for pvpers/wvw to buy expansion packs then?

Admittedly, this is a weird time as we only have one elite specialization to choose from but I’ll guarantee any amount of gold that it’ll be better when we get more.

You need to move past core specs being on the same field as elites. The game has so should you.

So in future we should be ready for all core lines/skills be nerfed into ground due to multiple elite skills? Nerf to core hurts also future elite specs and guess what? If they continue nerfing core then in future they will have to create even more overpowered elite specs to make up for that. Thats what you want? Well glad i stopped playing this garbage piece of kitten so at least it wont bother me much.

gindoom.6032:

Moa is still very strong. 10 sec moa was just way to OP.
This is a good balance change.

On 180cd.

https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Toss_Elixir_X
Aoe, no tell and on 96cd. Balanced.
You do realize that moa became useless to core mesmer? Last time i checked out moa wasnt chrono skill.

Its the same logic as it was with revenant and ranger.

Double stab dodge op? Nerf core rev, leave herald broken trait alone? Result? Rev is pushed into herald even more than before and what it fixed? Nothing, you can still keep up perma stab.

Druid dazes too op? Nerf a trait which increased duration by 100% that was absolutely fine in core ranger.

I have no idea who can defend that kind of crap as it has no logic whatsoever, those are just a LAZY changes HURTING build diversity. But i guess people are fine with having 1 build top per class.

And nerf proper thing which is CS. There was nothing wrong with Moa for over 3 years and it wasnt an issue. Its is your kitten overpowered chrono elite spec you designed. Why core mesmer has to pay price for it?

And no, i have not played mesmer in my life nor i like them but it hurts to see core classes getting nerfed due to crap elite spec. Elite should be balanced around core not the other way around. If we continue balancing in such fashion, with more elite spec we will have nothing but a huge mess as something will always end up being op with x combination.

Rym.1469:

Darknicrofia.2604:

bLind.6278:

XxsdgxX.8109:

bLind.6278:

XxsdgxX.8109:

Darknicrofia.2604:

EpicTurtle.8571:

Thanks for ruining it for the rest of the community, y’know all the other players that play PvE or WvW. Congratulations on your great “victory”

who the kitten even uses surge of the mists in wvw, or uses it in pve for anything other than smashing a boss break bar?

Alot of players actually

For PvE it was also a nice addition to the already bad DPS Revenants have
For WvW since Hammer is a must, and the only ranged option, staff was actually a great alternative to Sword/offAxe and offSword (Sword/Shield is complete suicide with that root)

So 100% of your weapon options aren’t viable in WvW/PvE anymore? That’s a shame. As a warrior, I’ll continue with my nearly 4 straight years of playing Greatsword in PvE and hammer in WvW.

Wow, nice mentality there.

Every class gets pigeonholed into a specific meta build. Every one. You had a non-meta build receiver dps nerfs when the dps of that weapon is terrible in pve anyway. Rifle got absolutely destroyed for warriors in every aspect of play, but we aren’t crying that our fringe-novelty builds got ruined and we’re now garbage.

Revenant is still a top-2 class in sPvP, viable as any class in wvw, and an excellent support in pve. You’re in a perfectly fine spot in every aspect of the game. Stop being greedy at the expense of everyone else.

but what don’t you get that Rev forum amber warriors also want mallyx to be on par with mes/necro, ventari to be on par with ele/druid and jalis to be on par with pre-HoT bunker guard?

they want all their toys and they want them NOW kitten it.

I don’t really understand the hate. I want all aspects of Revenant to be viable and playable, same for Necromancer and others do for their professions. What’s the problem?

Problem is they want delete rev from the game. If you can walk over something without using brain that means it is balanced. If it causes a bit of troubles to deal with the class is obviously op and need to be nerfed into ground so that they can walk over it.

Im curious. Once you nerf rev damage that you complain so much about, what will be left for a rev?

Varezenem.2813:

distantvoices.2047:

Burtnik.5218:

Lonewolf Kai.3682:

Burtnik.5218:

Lonewolf Kai.3682:

Burtnik.5218:

Rev has no mobility outside of Shiro.

I’d suggest you take another look then.

Oh interesing. How are you going to close the gap without Shiro?

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Profession#Revenant

Not going to do the work for you m8. Look it up yourself.

Yep, 0 arguments.

I’d downvote you had I the possibility. Seldom I have read such callous, inconsiderate utterings such as you produce, Mr. Burtnik. Fellers like you are what drive the Developers into Nerfing a good class, not the but so evil PVP People. Whiners and “want it all”-guys do that. Thank you but so very much. Besides I’d rather you removed that “document” of yours and gave it a rest lest the Dev’s get some unwholesome Ideas about how to nerf us Revenants more.

The list is:
1. Axe 4
2. Staff 5
3. Unyielding Anguish

Not exactly the best repertoire for PvP.

The list is;

Axe 4 – needs to be in 900 range and can be dodged
Staff 5 – slow 600 range gapcloser on 20cd
Anguish – getting Mallyx in current meta is a suicide, it range and energy cost doesnt help either.

All in all, anyone can and will kite a rev without Shiro. You need him or everyone will get away otherwise. I remember the days when i was roaming with guard… never again.

Lonewolf Kai.3682:

Burtnik.5218:

Lonewolf Kai.3682:

Burtnik.5218:

Rev has no mobility outside of Shiro.

I’d suggest you take another look then.

Oh interesing. How are you going to close the gap without Shiro?

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Profession#Revenant

Not going to do the work for you m8. Look it up yourself.

Yep, 0 arguments.

dank.3680:

Varezenem.2813:

dank.3680:

I always used staff 5 as a stability breaker and/or defensive mechanism. Never really cared to use it as a cheesy wombo combo with PT, so this damage nerf doesn’t affect me any.,

Doesn’t work anymore.

It still removes stability and follows up with more cc right? No it doesn’t completely demolish stab stacks like it did, but still useful.

If you have 2 stacks of stab then youre “safe”. Surge received 3 nerfs, 2 directly (total 30% nerf) and indirectly with stab change.

Lonewolf Kai.3682:

Burtnik.5218:

Rev has no mobility outside of Shiro.

I’d suggest you take another look then.

Oh interesing. How are you going to close the gap without Shiro?

Rev has no mobility outside of Shiro.

Condi rev shined only due to bunker meta. In dps meta hes a potato

You know what i hate? I hate chronos but i hate fail balance even more. Moa was fine for so long so why you nerf CORE skill due to broken elite crap? Its the same story all over again like with rev minor retribution trait or daze trait for ranger due to druid.

Watch all core traitlines and skills getting nerfed into oblivion bc something will always be strong with certain elite spec. When they will learn that they have balance elite to core, not the other way around? Im done with this game till they dont get any sense of logic.

I would say delete the chain and just leave the strike with interrupt. No other buffs needed

mrauls.6519:

I tried with you guys :/ You mentioned the energy cost of skills and I mentioned how it’s not hard to use those skills if you manage your energy pool plus swapping legends sets your energy back to 50.

Tons of Revs use shield and will use shield. Unless you can drop a video of you playing with sword/sword at a high level, I’m not convinced.

Thanks for the discussion guys

Explain me what shield offers above sword offhand in current state? You have a chance to make my day.

Stand The Wall.6987:

crying against bug fixes. love it.

Yeah? How about a bugfix that hinder rev?
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/revenant/Revenant-bug-list/first

mrauls.6519:

Burtnik.5218:

mrauls.6519:

XxsdgxX.8109:

mrauls.6519:

Staff 5 was over the top. Honestly it shouldn’t even be an evade. Staff 2 can daze (if used right), Staff 4 condi clears+heals, Staff 3 blocks, and Staff 5 is a cc, evades, and deals damage… Staff is fine

Do you even know that Revenant is extremely limited by energy and even cds? Like seriously try again dude…

That’s why it’s important for Revenants to manage their energy properly. CDs on skills are pretty much nonexistent. Shortest CDs of any profession next to Thief

Warrior shield skills are shorter, better and with no energy cost. Tf you talking about?

Shield skills? You’re using shield skills as a comparison to a whole professions skillset CDs? Revenant shield #5 provides a block for 3 seconds and heals you, and #4 gives protection and healing…

I would replaced Guardian shield skills with Revenants in a heartbeat… I know Warriors would probably do the same.

Warrior shield skills CDs are LONGER than Revenants

Our shield 4, bugged healing, long cast, 2 sec prot and 15cd.
War shield 4 is 2second stun on 20 and when trained 16cd.

Our shield 5 is a selfroot 3sec block with joke 2k heal on 25cd
War shield is a mobile 3sec block on 25cd and when trained its cd is 20 and can reflect projectiles.

I will take it over crap rev shield anyday anytime.

mrauls.6519:

Varezenem.2813:

mrauls.6519:

Burtnik.5218:

mrauls.6519:

XxsdgxX.8109:

mrauls.6519:

Staff 5 was over the top. Honestly it shouldn’t even be an evade. Staff 2 can daze (if used right), Staff 4 condi clears+heals, Staff 3 blocks, and Staff 5 is a cc, evades, and deals damage… Staff is fine

Do you even know that Revenant is extremely limited by energy and even cds? Like seriously try again dude…

That’s why it’s important for Revenants to manage their energy properly. CDs on skills are pretty much nonexistent. Shortest CDs of any profession next to Thief

Warrior shield skills are shorter, better and with no energy cost. Tf you talking about?

Shield skills? You’re using shield skills as a comparison to a whole professions skillset CDs? Revenant shield #5 provides a block for 3 seconds and heals you, and #4 gives protection and healing…

I would replaced Guardian shield skills with Revenants in a heartbeat… I know Warriors would probably do the same

The healing is impressive indeed.
So impressive that anyone without healing power would rather use sword

Yet no one does? o-O #ShieldRevMeta

Anyone that still uses shield is stuck in 2015.

See my document in sig. Wep swap wont go away cause they failed hard and it would require major mechanic rework along with new skills (like stances for weapons as example)

mrauls.6519:

XxsdgxX.8109:

mrauls.6519:

Staff 5 was over the top. Honestly it shouldn’t even be an evade. Staff 2 can daze (if used right), Staff 4 condi clears+heals, Staff 3 blocks, and Staff 5 is a cc, evades, and deals damage… Staff is fine

Do you even know that Revenant is extremely limited by energy and even cds? Like seriously try again dude…

That’s why it’s important for Revenants to manage their energy properly. CDs on skills are pretty much nonexistent. Shortest CDs of any profession next to Thief

Warrior shield skills are shorter, better and with no energy cost. Tf you talking about?

Mace is reliable.
only if you fight on a flat ground hahahah

Varezenem.2813:

Burtnik.5218:

Varezenem.2813:

Burtnik.5218:

Jalis nerf hype!
How about we reduce surge damage by 35% more and reduce it cd to 15 already?

Considering how hard they nerfed the CC…

I mean.. why they just wont take a look at my document and start balancing for real? They dont know their game, they dont know hat to do with rev either and yet they dont care about any form of a feedback at all which recent changes proves that.

At least they listened to the instacast on tablet movement.

And? They increased cd by 100% as well so what the “buffs” changed about ventari in the end? Nothing.

bigmonto.4215:

Malchior.5732:

bigmonto.4215:

That I have to disagree. Right now PS takes skill to use. Yes vs Mes, Necro, or ranger is hard. But with the reduced range it’s possible to separate them (staff 5, or sword 5) from the adds to apply PS. I don’t want PS to be a no brainer button smasher.

I’ve been a long hiatus and will continue to not play GW2 for a long while, but I’m just coming here to say:

There is no skill in something you have such little control over. It’s not just “hard”, it’s literally impossible to separate targets sometimes. Sword 5 is unreliable and using it with Shiro’s Teleport just means you’re going to be out of energy quick. Staff 5 will only go so far (and also forcing Staff just to make your MH Sword skills usable in groups? Terrible design).

Sword CANNOT single-out targets. It just hopes there’s a single target and then can do good damage (in pvp). Notice, I’m not just talking about pets, clones, or minions, but also other players. You have very little control over this in a real fight, especially when you only have a rough estimate of its range.
By the way, does it still target random objects in the world? If so, that’s just one more thing that will randomly screw you over.

Dude you want everything !? Yes separating the targets is hard, but at a reduced range, it’s easier. Hence it is a buff in my book. But seriously even if you failed at separating the targets, what do you lose? You get at least 1 hit, skill going into a wapping 5 sec cooldown. That’s the end of the world for you? If you don’t even bother playing the game, stop complaining.

1 strike that does less than autoatk and cost energy hmm.. No ty. If we are supposed to go with this “separate target” theme then we should get a long range 900+ pull on 5cd to actually do it. Theres nothing rev can do to separate targets, its just impossible.

Varezenem.2813:

Burtnik.5218:

Jalis nerf hype!
How about we reduce surge damage by 35% more and reduce it cd to 15 already?

Considering how hard they nerfed the CC…

I mean.. why they just wont take a look at my document and start balancing for real? They dont know their game, they dont know hat to do with rev either and yet they dont care about any form of a feedback at all which recent changes proves that.

Varezenem.2813:

Gidz.1586:

From the patch notes

“Rite of the Great Dwarf: Fixed a bug that caused this skill to reduce damage additively rather than multiplicatively while under the effects of a trait.”

I’m having trouble understanding this. How does it affect the trait in practical terms

If you have protection, RotGD and close quarters you would get before 91% damage reduction (1-50%-(1-33%)(1-10%) now you get 71% (1-(1-33%)(1-10%)*(1-50%)).

Yep, in other words Jalis for wvw “endure pain” effect is gone. Hurray, no reason to even bother with core rev at this point but np. We all know that Jalis was grossly overpowered.

Jalis nerf hype!
How about we reduce surge damage by 35% more and reduce it cd to 15 already?

bigmonto.4215:

Burtnik.5218:

bigmonto.4215:

Am I the only one who think decreasing the range of precision strike is a buff?

We all know that PS is only strong against a single target. Shorter the range, more likely all 3 hit will be on one target, I think that’s what Anet is going for.

Then make it.. i dont know.. single target? Plz? Whats the point of sword being the only weapon in game that loses damage vs your target as mroe foes show up? To be unique or smth? An mes/mm necro can laugh in your face as you have no damage vs them, all you can hope for is aa. I kitten on a joke weapon like that.

Yes, to be unique, different build, different class, different play style. Sword 3 is the same way. The whole play style of rev sword is to single out a target and apply huge damage to him/her. Where have you been man.

Has it ever occur to you that a ranged 5k+ damage every 5 sec is OP, if it gets apply to a single target every single time? Let’s compare to warrior’s sword 3, its 15 sec cooldown and requires the enemy to be under 50% health, that does slightly more dam? The only reason why Anet have not nerf PS much is because they want it to be situational, as it would be weak against multiple opponents and classes with adds.

Then lower it damage a bit and make it a functional skill? Like in my suggestion for example? Or at least turn off targeting vs al/minions? Im not kittened to attack a clone over real mes, why my toon is? I know i wont touch sword with a stick once new power wep get released unless it will be in even worse state than sword.

XerMeLL.6042:

Hello Guys, i just want to know what is your current idea of Bringing GS/Longbow instead of GS/Rifle? Do you thing GS/ A/Sh is much better on the two? Im a beginner in WvW, i prefer one Range Weapon but the potential of Axe/Shield is so great.

Im using full asc zerk gears with scholar runes, and my gs/rifle/sword has force/air, what can you suggest in Sigils in weapons if i ever craft Axe/Shield or Longbow.

Thank you and long live the warriors, and meh the op revs whiners.

I wanted to reply you why lb over rifle but decided not to after last line

bigmonto.4215:

Am I the only one who think decreasing the range of precision strike is a buff?

We all know that PS is only strong against a single target. Shorter the range, more likely all 3 hit will be on one target, I think that’s what Anet is going for.

Then make it.. i dont know.. single target? Plz? Whats the point of sword being the only weapon in game that loses damage vs your target as mroe foes show up? To be unique or smth? An mes/mm necro can laugh in your face as you have no damage vs them, all you can hope for is aa. I kitten on a joke weapon like that.

Furajir.3815:

Resouled.5614:

It’s not like Vaans is that great either tbh.. I’ll give him credit for being better than most but he def ain’t wow.

Confirmed Salt by player killed by Vaans in multiple 1vx situations.

Not really. You have all these amazing videos Vaans pwning some dudes on wvw but thats is. Have you seen him in ranked/played against him? I did. I have seen him on ele, druid and rev but never on warrior for some reason?
I know i kicked his butt as well when he went to my close and dueled me with his rev vs mine. I also remember some vid of him dueling a druid (not on his channel obviously) where the druid just kited him all day long for ez kills. I have not seen this posted by him.. again, why?
In b4 salt, see pic for response. That said, hes obviously better than most average players here, i have to give him that.

mrauls.6519:

Burtnik.5218:

mrauls.6519:

Honestly I feel like sword #2 should have a range of somewhere between 150-300. Revenant should be about being up close and personal.

Revenant has too many skills that force dodges

Then make it a melee leap or smth. I think given it new range it actually should become a melee skill in my opinion.

Wouldn’t you want something different since you can teleport with Shiro? I mean, a leap would be nice, but power revenant doesn’t have a field to lay down to make the most of the leap.

Anything that inst based on broken projectiles.

mrauls.6519:

Honestly I feel like sword #2 should have a range of somewhere between 150-300. Revenant should be about being up close and personal.

Revenant has too many skills that force dodges

Then make it a melee leap or smth. I think given it new range it actually should become a melee skill in my opinion.

Frank.3791:

Dont know exactly, most likely because there are some ppl that complain rev is op lol. Honestly it really isnt that bad of a nerf.

In other words my guess is anet is just answering the ppl that are complaining.

Its Anet making a op skill and then nerfing it into trash state. Sword was fine the way it was before when our main damage was coming from autoatk, precision strike was utility and UA as burst (i guess dmg bug was back in s1 but no1 noticed). Right now we have not so strong autoatk, useless outside of 1v1 precision strike and UA. Bravo Anet.

And guess what? They most likely will keep sword this way.

Im saying no to salads. Sio sio, go away

Whats the dps of condi rev? ;o

I think you missed my thread ;o

NoTrigger.8396:

honestly i wish roy was still on the balance team.

Yeah well.. im not so sure about that. Sure he did some good stuff and had a nice reason behind them like shield rooting you in place for the healing it does (too bad the guy who nerfed it doesnt understand it) but he also not addressed many issues with core rev. He gutted Jalis, gutted Mallyx, left many underpowered traits, did nothing to improve Ventari.

For me it feels like the only thing he really cared about was his sword/shield+staff shiro/glint build. Rest might as well not exist and nobody will notice. He also is the one who designed a lot of stuff that gw2 engine simply not support properly. How often do you miss something due to terrain issues? Sword 4, Glint elite, hammer 2, mace 2, deactivating hammers and so on. I would rather have Robert tbh.

Whats the possibilites of Abaddon/Dhuum becoming a legend?
About the greatsword – Kalla Scorchrazor sounds like a great pick but shes overshadowed by Pyre.

Kayberz.5346:

Burtnik.5218:

Azukas.1426:

Burtnik.5218:

Azukas.1426:

Burtnik.5218:

zinkz.7045:

Burtnik.5218:

Revenant is underpowered actually

Which is why none of the ESl teams use one, oh wait they pretty much all use one, and before the latest class stacking rule, of the four teams in the semi-finals of the pro-league there were 7 revs, your opinion does not seem to match the reality, here is some more reality for you – http://academygamingnet.com/guild-wars-2-class-tier-list-april-27th-2016/ .

I didnt said Herald, i said Revenant

There’s no difference since you can’t f2p core revenant.

What f2p has to do with revenant? Herald is not a core line.

You can’t just DL the free game and play revenant, and when you buy the game you get access to all the revenant’s lines. This makes ALL of revenant CORE revenant b/c there is NO f2p option on revenant. Understand now?

Also what original classes are viable not using their elite specs?

Oh so in future i will be able to go for retribution, herald +new elite spec? Good to know!

This is a complete nonsense argument, your talking about some imaginary future elite spec that we have no idea how it would function, any loss the revenant would take by not taking herald could be more than compensated for with how the new elite spec works, thats the whole point of the 1 elite spec system, to make powerful builds that cant be used together but are compensated by having their own unique strengths.

For all you know the next elite spec for revenant could be some condi cleansing monster with pulsing stability, so talking about the viability of some imaginary future revenant build is pointless because you dont even know what it IS

L2r or dont talk please. He said herald is a core traitline so by that logic i should be able to use herald with a new elite spec.

Azukas.1426:

Burtnik.5218:

Azukas.1426:

Burtnik.5218:

Azukas.1426:

Burtnik.5218:

zinkz.7045:

Burtnik.5218:

Revenant is underpowered actually

Which is why none of the ESl teams use one, oh wait they pretty much all use one, and before the latest class stacking rule, of the four teams in the semi-finals of the pro-league there were 7 revs, your opinion does not seem to match the reality, here is some more reality for you – http://academygamingnet.com/guild-wars-2-class-tier-list-april-27th-2016/ .

I didnt said Herald, i said Revenant

There’s no difference since you can’t f2p core revenant.

What f2p has to do with revenant? Herald is not a core line.

You can’t just DL the free game and play revenant, and when you buy the game you get access to all the revenant’s lines. This makes ALL of revenant CORE revenant b/c there is NO f2p option on revenant. Understand now?

Also what original classes are viable not using their elite specs?

Oh so in future i will be able to go for retribution, herald +new elite spec? Good to know!

You didn’t pay extra for herald. Core rev will have herald included b/c of that. Stop trying to justify revenants just b/c you like the class. It’s time to think of overall game balance.

So like i said, herald is not elite spec and in future i will be able to choose both herald+new elite cus herald is a core traitline. Whats your problem? You said it yourself, herald is core.

lighter.2708:

Burtnik.5218:

Kayberz.5346:

Burtnik.5218:

Azukas.1426:

Burtnik.5218:

zinkz.7045:

Burtnik.5218:

Revenant is underpowered actually

Which is why none of the ESl teams use one, oh wait they pretty much all use one, and before the latest class stacking rule, of the four teams in the semi-finals of the pro-league there were 7 revs, your opinion does not seem to match the reality, here is some more reality for you – http://academygamingnet.com/guild-wars-2-class-tier-list-april-27th-2016/ .

I didnt said Herald, i said Revenant

There’s no difference since you can’t f2p core revenant.

What f2p has to do with revenant? Herald is not a core line.

So what, just because you want to be some kind of hipster and not use elite specs doesnt mean you can ignore them.
Elite specs are here to stay, and if your playing a revenant at all you automatically have access to it. You want to handicap yourself by playing suboptimal builds? Go ahead, but to then say the class is underpowered because your playing it wrong is rediculous
Kinda like how you preached that enchanted daggers was “underpowered” because you were using incorrectly as a “oh kitten” button yet anet actually NERFED its healing amount because it was too overturned for its purpose when taking the ENTIRE class into perspective

Revenant =/= Herald

Do you understand difference betweem them? A revenant is boonless class with huge skillcap while Herald is a braindead boonbot. Difference is too huge between them in playstyle/power as well. And now, pardon me but if i wanted to play boonbot i would pick up ele or mesmer instead.
As for ED theres even more of a reason to rework it now that they nerfed it without fixing any of it issues.

I believe the game was supposed to be fun, not to force people in certain playstyle and im pretty sure that most of us here is tired of Glint/Herald to death already.

it’s a choice you have to make, rev without herald = less boon, rev with herald = alot of boons is literally like saying rev with devastation= tons of damage, rev without de devastation = no damage, or like saying rev has no stability because you don’t want to use retribution…it’s nonsense..btw if herald is strong, just nerf herald then…don’t understand why you people arguing about this tiny stuff

also, how do you even know if core rev is underpower when everybody else are also using elite..you can say that core rev is underpower just like core everyother classes, that can make sense

Core rev is underwhelming compared to majority of other core classes. I see no reason to bring core rev over core warrior for example. Lets keep elite specs out of it.
Core suffer from too low sustain and poor damage mitigation cus tanky Jalis is not so tanky. You can pretty much get 100-0 in Jalis due to lack of a stunbreak/stab. Pair that with lack of swiftness, lack of fury(and might), no 25% movespeed and you get the picture.

Azukas.1426:

Burtnik.5218:

Azukas.1426:

Burtnik.5218:

zinkz.7045:

Burtnik.5218:

Revenant is underpowered actually

Which is why none of the ESl teams use one, oh wait they pretty much all use one, and before the latest class stacking rule, of the four teams in the semi-finals of the pro-league there were 7 revs, your opinion does not seem to match the reality, here is some more reality for you – http://academygamingnet.com/guild-wars-2-class-tier-list-april-27th-2016/ .

I didnt said Herald, i said Revenant

There’s no difference since you can’t f2p core revenant.

What f2p has to do with revenant? Herald is not a core line.

You can’t just DL the free game and play revenant, and when you buy the game you get access to all the revenant’s lines. This makes ALL of revenant CORE revenant b/c there is NO f2p option on revenant. Understand now?

Also what original classes are viable not using their elite specs?

Oh so in future i will be able to go for retribution, herald +new elite spec? Good to know!

Kayberz.5346:

Burtnik.5218:

Azukas.1426:

Burtnik.5218:

zinkz.7045:

Burtnik.5218:

Revenant is underpowered actually

Which is why none of the ESl teams use one, oh wait they pretty much all use one, and before the latest class stacking rule, of the four teams in the semi-finals of the pro-league there were 7 revs, your opinion does not seem to match the reality, here is some more reality for you – http://academygamingnet.com/guild-wars-2-class-tier-list-april-27th-2016/ .

I didnt said Herald, i said Revenant

There’s no difference since you can’t f2p core revenant.

What f2p has to do with revenant? Herald is not a core line.

So what, just because you want to be some kind of hipster and not use elite specs doesnt mean you can ignore them.
Elite specs are here to stay, and if your playing a revenant at all you automatically have access to it. You want to handicap yourself by playing suboptimal builds? Go ahead, but to then say the class is underpowered because your playing it wrong is rediculous
Kinda like how you preached that enchanted daggers was “underpowered” because you were using incorrectly as a “oh kitten” button yet anet actually NERFED its healing amount because it was too overturned for its purpose when taking the ENTIRE class into perspective

Revenant =/= Herald

Do you understand difference betweem them? A revenant is boonless class with huge skillcap while Herald is a braindead boonbot. Difference is too huge between them in playstyle/power as well. And now, pardon me but if i wanted to play boonbot i would pick up ele or mesmer instead.
As for ED theres even more of a reason to rework it now that they nerfed it without fixing any of it issues.

I believe the game was supposed to be fun, not to force people in certain playstyle and im pretty sure that most of us here is tired of Glint/Herald to death already.

It doesnt have to use greatsword i believe, just looking for one that could fit it. Like mace/axe for Mallyx which represent his fists and claws

Azukas.1426:

Burtnik.5218:

zinkz.7045:

Burtnik.5218:

Revenant is underpowered actually

Which is why none of the ESl teams use one, oh wait they pretty much all use one, and before the latest class stacking rule, of the four teams in the semi-finals of the pro-league there were 7 revs, your opinion does not seem to match the reality, here is some more reality for you – http://academygamingnet.com/guild-wars-2-class-tier-list-april-27th-2016/ .

I didnt said Herald, i said Revenant

There’s no difference since you can’t f2p core revenant.

What f2p has to do with revenant? Herald is not a core line.

Would fit greatsword weapon? Looking for a dark themed figure like Mallyx but ill take anything!

Thats good idea as well to change profession traitlines into elite. By going daredevil you wont be able to pick trickery, by going berserker you wont be able to get discipline, by going dragonhunter you wont be able to pick up virtues.

Sounds like fun and we was supposed to give up something by selecting elite spec either way. Lets do it

Trigr.6481:

Adding a cast time on a shatter is a pretty ludicrous thing to ask for. Shatter by design should always be instant.

Why shatter should be instant? Why any skill ingame should be? Go go esport.. sry this game will always be garbage as long instant skills exists.

zinkz.7045:

Burtnik.5218:

Revenant is underpowered actually

Which is why none of the ESl teams use one, oh wait they pretty much all use one, and before the latest class stacking rule, of the four teams in the semi-finals of the pro-league there were 7 revs, your opinion does not seem to match the reality, here is some more reality for you – http://academygamingnet.com/guild-wars-2-class-tier-list-april-27th-2016/ .

I didnt said Herald, i said Revenant

Revenant is underpowered actually

^UA is the only channeled ability that breaks on stealth+proc confusion few times. No other channeled ability does that. HB doesnt proc confusion 9 times, rapid fire doesnt proc confusion 10 times, volley doesnt proc confusion 5 times, whirling wrath doesnt proc confusion 14 times. Confusion is supposed to activate only once per ability.

Your rapid fire example is poor as kitten as well. All i have to do is stand still and my ranger will autoturn himself to target even if you teleport behind, same with killshot, trueshot etc.

I didnt bother to read rest btw, no time for bs

ronpierce.2760:

Sirendor.1394:

1. Replace ‘Distort’ with ‘Continuum Split’ when you take Chronomancer specialisation
2. Continuum Split no longer affects Elite skills
3. Continuum Split gets a cast time which can be interrupted
4. ???
5. Balanced

I agree with this, but then again, Mesmer isn’t the only offender… Warrior, Druid, Tempest, and Revenant need similar treatment. I thought about writing a thread to actually differentiate core from elite specs a little more but it’s a tough thing to do when you know there will be heavy resistance, lol.

Im up for removing f2 from rev (but that may cause some issue as right now you only bring rev tor aid for f2), burst skills from berserker etc.