Guild Wars 2

Obindo.6802:

Jaspe.8694:

It’s amazing to read some comments on this forum. To believe that some players feel accomplished considering themselves “pro player” on gw2. What a life! The eSport of gw2 will never succeed. There is neither the public nor the necessary players. Some pretentious should leave home and look elsewhere. There is a huge difference between gw2 and other (real) competitive games. “Triumph without peril Brings no glory.”

And who are you?

It doesnt matter who he is. Hes right and everyone knows it except the ones who considered themself “pro”

Also tbh what you doing on these forums anyway, go back to your passive 0 skill war section.

Interpret Interrupt.3824:

I succeeded in being rational!!!

Meanwhile enjoy your passive 0 skill warrior with 900hp/s for being afk

BlaqueFyre.5678:

Eval.2371:

@OP I get that your upset about Revenant changes, but attempting to direct your unfound rage at thief is not the right direction.

Thief is barely viable outside of d/p in any competitive context and just barely too. I don’t think the op understands the state thief is in, and is living in this idea of what thief was over a year ago.

Literally aside from condi d/d, cheesy traps changes and pistol main hand upgrades we’ve received nerfs continously. We only have one chance for stealth attacks. No survivability aside of spamming dodges and no capacity to support any other role other than +1. Anet has watered the class down to mobility and encouraged spam. If you take away either then thief has nothing.

Like anything that you think is OP or broken, pick it up. Chances are you’ll learn its not that broken pretty fast, or it is and you walk all over people. Win Win.

Cyn.4901:

Then there’s the game mechanic that thief entirely ruins, what’s the point of a waypoint on a t3 keep if a thief just has to poke guards to contest? It’s next to impossible to kill a keep tap thief since the distance they can cover while in stealth is insane, and open field means they have anywhere to go. You can have 5 people hunting the thief down and it still isn’t enough.

Theif is not the only class that people do this on, I’ve seen people do the exact same thing on ranger, guardian, mesmer, and elementalist. Your point that someone can do this on thief is moot.

@Burtnik.5218 This is the second thread I’ve read today that your just attacking other classes because yours got adjusted. Yesterday it was ranger and today its thief. Nothing productive will come of it.

By Burntiks claims he hasn’t played in months and doesn’t play any more so he has no reason to be upset he has moved on to other things

It feels like nobody even looks at my signature lol, its funny how he mentions rangers as it was my “main” class for pvp till HoT launch. And now i have a new rev anyway

Obindo.6802:

Burtnik.5218:

Obindo.6802:

Burtnik.5218:

Obindo.6802:

Burtnik.5218:

Obindo.6802:

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I said i won the match against them as ventari bunker rev, not that i won vs him 1v1 there. Back then it was a decent decapper build not used by els whatsoever that actually could work and hold well. There are builds outside of your ctrl+c ctrl+v metabuild site. Try it.

“Do you mean that balance should cater to a non-competetive envireonment? that’s beyond stupid.”

You do not have any competetive environment in the first place here, what are you referencing to?

And i was never interested in the “esl” nor streaming so spare me your bs please. I cant really rage when i dont even play this game anymore for a good few months. Now if it was a nerf to my Ratatoskr then i would rage to the skies but as you see it has nothing to do with this game.

You were talking about soloing, which implies 1v1, and it would only make sense that you would continue meaning it. That along with if you say if you win a match vs an esl player in a random q doesn’t mean anything. They’re 2 players and you don’t knoow the other 3, and once again, yolo q, who says they’re tryharding.

There is a competetive envireonment. You don’t have to pretend like it doesn’t exist and that it doesn’t matter and “not interested” to make you feel better for and justify being unable to compete urself. Of course you don’t need to be interested. But to discredit competetive players for being bad, while you yourself havent been able to and/or can’t compete urself is kittened.

5 premade* as seen in pic. I had to dig it from the google, i hidden my name there so deal with it.

GW2 doesnt have “competetive envireonment”. Its just simply not possible given how small the pvp community is. Gw is not even a pvp focused game but pve one. Stop kidding yourself here. MMO and “competetive envireonment” – just facepalm man.. facepalm.

your screen proves my point. And yes there is a competetive envireonment and scene. I’m not arguing, I’m informing you, you can choose to live in your own world if you want.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_eSports_games

Ctrl+f has failed me. Help?
I guess i should start consider myself a “top player” in a Vindictus tho.. hmmm.

You really trying compare GW2 to LoL, Dota, Smite, CS, Smash Bros etc? An mmo to real esport games? Thats cute.

I never said guild wars 2 has a big viewership, or compared it to another esports game. You’re just making up thing that I don’t even say in a bad attempt to degrade it and disparage. I’ve said that gw2 has a competetive envireonment and a competetive scene. I don’t understand what is so hard to grasp.

And im telling you that it doesnt have one. Balance is not centered around your esl park. So where is your competetive scene? How many people outside of GW know Helseth, Rom etc? Are they popular in gaming world? No, i dont think so. One day you will figure out why. Good night.

Obindo.6802:

Burtnik.5218:

Obindo.6802:

Burtnik.5218:

Obindo.6802:

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I said i won the match against them as ventari bunker rev, not that i won vs him 1v1 there. Back then it was a decent decapper build not used by els whatsoever that actually could work and hold well. There are builds outside of your ctrl+c ctrl+v metabuild site. Try it.

“Do you mean that balance should cater to a non-competetive envireonment? that’s beyond stupid.”

You do not have any competetive environment in the first place here, what are you referencing to?

And i was never interested in the “esl” nor streaming so spare me your bs please. I cant really rage when i dont even play this game anymore for a good few months. Now if it was a nerf to my Ratatoskr then i would rage to the skies but as you see it has nothing to do with this game.

You were talking about soloing, which implies 1v1, and it would only make sense that you would continue meaning it. That along with if you say if you win a match vs an esl player in a random q doesn’t mean anything. They’re 2 players and you don’t knoow the other 3, and once again, yolo q, who says they’re tryharding.

There is a competetive envireonment. You don’t have to pretend like it doesn’t exist and that it doesn’t matter and “not interested” to make you feel better for and justify being unable to compete urself. Of course you don’t need to be interested. But to discredit competetive players for being bad, while you yourself havent been able to and/or can’t compete urself is kittened.

5 premade* as seen in pic. I had to dig it from the google, i hidden my name there so deal with it.

GW2 doesnt have “competetive envireonment”. Its just simply not possible given how small the pvp community is. Gw is not even a pvp focused game but pve one. Stop kidding yourself here. MMO and “competetive envireonment” – just facepalm man.. facepalm.

your screen proves my point. And yes there is a competetive envireonment and scene. I’m not arguing, I’m informing you, you can choose to live in your own world if you want.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_eSports_games

Ctrl+f has failed me. Help?
I guess i should start consider myself a “top player” in a Vindictus tho.. hmmm.

You really trying compare GW2 to LoL, Dota, Smite, CS, Smash Bros etc? An mmo to real esport games? Thats cute.

Obindo.6802:

Burtnik.5218:

Obindo.6802:

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I said i won the match against them as ventari bunker rev, not that i won vs him 1v1 there. Back then it was a decent decapper build not used by els whatsoever that actually could work and hold well. There are builds outside of your ctrl+c ctrl+v metabuild site. Try it.

“Do you mean that balance should cater to a non-competetive envireonment? that’s beyond stupid.”

You do not have any competetive environment in the first place here, what are you referencing to?

And i was never interested in the “esl” nor streaming so spare me your bs please. I cant really rage when i dont even play this game anymore for a good few months. Now if it was a nerf to my Ratatoskr then i would rage to the skies but as you see it has nothing to do with this game.

You were talking about soloing, which implies 1v1, and it would only make sense that you would continue meaning it. That along with if you say if you win a match vs an esl player in a random q doesn’t mean anything. They’re 2 players and you don’t knoow the other 3, and once again, yolo q, who says they’re tryharding.

There is a competetive envireonment. You don’t have to pretend like it doesn’t exist and that it doesn’t matter and “not interested” to make you feel better for and justify being unable to compete urself. Of course you don’t need to be interested. But to discredit competetive players for being bad, while you yourself havent been able to and/or can’t compete urself is kittened.

5 premade* as seen in pic. I had to dig it from the google, i hidden my name there so deal with it.

GW2 doesnt have “competetive envireonment”. Its just simply not possible given how small the pvp community is. Gw is not even a pvp focused game but pve one. Stop kidding yourself here. MMO and “competetive envireonment” – just facepalm man.. facepalm.

Obindo.6802:

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I said i won the match against them as ventari bunker rev, not that i won vs him 1v1 there. Back then it was a decent decapper build not used by els whatsoever that actually could work and hold well. There are builds outside of your ctrl+c ctrl+v metabuild site. Try it.

“Do you mean that balance should cater to a non-competetive envireonment? that’s beyond stupid.”

You do not have any competetive environment in the first place here, what are you referencing to?

And i was never interested in the “esl” nor streaming so spare me your bs please. I cant really rage when i dont even play this game anymore for a good few months. Now if it was a nerf to my Ratatoskr then i would rage to the skies but as you see it has nothing to do with this game.

Obindo.6802:

Burtnik.5218:

Obindo.6802:

Burtnik.5218:

Obindo.6802:

Burtnik.5218:

Obindo.6802:

Still strongest class atm

Nerfnant is definitely the “strongest class” with the least amount of stunbreaks ingame, 0 condi cleanse, 0 reliable access to stability, 0 reliable heal cus anyone with brain can prevent it by blocking/evading the daggers and not attacking during Glint heal. Yeah totally the strongest class kappa

Yes, if you’re implying it’s bad, prove it in esl. Any good player knows rev is yet the strongest as it’s always been.

Sadly i cant prove it, reason: i left the game in mid of S2. And dont act like a pro when i have soloed you and Vaans many times in ranked so please give me a break about your so called “esl” cus nobody gives a kitten about it anyway.

Ofc you have, like every other no name, who make up their kitten. You say you don’t play anymore yet go on the forums claiming authority over esl players about balance. Next lvl stupidity

Except you are noname yourself. You aint skillful whatsoever, every monkey can record some vids in wvw where they 1v10 enemies but when you get your kitten kicked you dont post it – normal.

And yes i did, just like i beated your esl “pro” players when they played rev. Since beta i havent lost any 1v1 fair matchup vs another rev. I mean i even won a match vs Rom and Frost with Ventari bunker rev..rofl (they havent killed me even once) but for sure you know better. Right.

And just bc i stopped playing doesnt mean i stopped understanding how this game works. Solo rev will be a horrible experience for anyone now.

But I’m not a no name tho. And I as well as other top tier teams consider myself a top tier player.

Any forum hero can sit and say they beat everyone to grow their kitten, when really they can’t do anything, saying they’re better than all esl players yet can’t compete.

I don’t post when I get my kitten kicked because I havent gotten my kitten kicked. Maybe when I had only played 2 months, don’t know.

Your mentality is completely degenerate, and it’s the same as with almost all of this community, people think that if you win 1 single duel vs someone you are much better than them, regardless of hard counter (nobody seems to realize this game is rock paper scissors, not a 1v1 game, yet people value themselves based of a single 1v1), in a yolo ranked q where nobody gives a kitten, could’ve might as well been talking to ppl irl, or talked to/read chat (streamers), not given a kitten? And then say they farm them ez coz they won 1 duel despite said conditions.

I got something for you btw:

Top tier player in 2k pvp pop? Gz i guess? <slow clap> the future is yours. I do love this part “people think that if you win 1 single duel vs someone you are much better than them, regardless of hard counter”

Lets see.. basically the same build with little modifications in form of sigils/rune, the same class, the same weapon, the same utilities. Obviously beating someone here 1v1 doesnt prove anything. If it was a mes vs rev or something.. but rev vs rev using basically the same build? Please continue with your “degenerate” logic.

And sorry to say, but nobody gives a kitten about esl whatsoever, it doesnt reperesent balance of the game, this is CASUAL game, not some esport (and the number of viewers olny proves that) as show by the balance patches itself, many of the nerfs/buffs happens due to pve or wvw, not due to your esl. An example of this was DH who was considered garbage but got nerfs regardless due to how gamebreaking he was in wvw.

If you want esport and you consider yourself a “top player” i welcome you to Smite, LoL, Dota and lets see how far you get there, in a player base that consist of millions. Any group of friends/kids (i mean just lets take a look at vermillion team..) can form an esl team in gw and play. That doesnt mean they are good just bc they are in esl. Good players who were interesed in gw2 pvp left long ago already, garbage players left bragging how they are “top players” when in truth they are mediocre at best. Reality check dude, wake up.

Obindo.6802:

Burtnik.5218:

Obindo.6802:

Burtnik.5218:

Obindo.6802:

Still strongest class atm

Nerfnant is definitely the “strongest class” with the least amount of stunbreaks ingame, 0 condi cleanse, 0 reliable access to stability, 0 reliable heal cus anyone with brain can prevent it by blocking/evading the daggers and not attacking during Glint heal. Yeah totally the strongest class kappa

Yes, if you’re implying it’s bad, prove it in esl. Any good player knows rev is yet the strongest as it’s always been.

Sadly i cant prove it, reason: i left the game in mid of S2. And dont act like a pro when i have soloed you and Vaans many times in ranked so please give me a break about your so called “esl” cus nobody gives a kitten about it anyway.

Ofc you have, like every other no name, who make up their kitten. You say you don’t play anymore yet go on the forums claiming authority over esl players about balance. Next lvl stupidity

Except you are noname yourself. You aint skillful whatsoever, every monkey can record some vids in wvw where they 1v10 enemies but when you get your kitten kicked you dont post it – normal.

And yes i did, just like i beated your esl “pro” players when they played rev. Since beta i havent lost any 1v1 fair matchup vs another rev. I mean i even won a match vs Rom and Frost with Ventari bunker rev..rofl (they havent killed me even once) but for sure you know better. Right.

And just bc i stopped playing doesnt mean i stopped understanding how this game works. Solo rev will be a horrible experience for anyone now.

BlaqueFyre.5678:

Huskyboy.1053:

BlaqueFyre.5678:

Chungo.3169:

Let’s see, like saying that you can compare shiro 1.5k healing that ensures 100% 15sec, with 4k based venom that lasts 26sec.

Revs plz leave the game the ppl don’t want us in game

Says the higher Damage and heal per proc, has an additional charge. yeah nice try also your is 1/2 sec cast time vs a full second cast as Skelk venom and it’s not your only Heal.

Because your initial heal is 2.5x that of ED? Duh. You don’t have to land hits to get a significant heal, AND your venom can be shared to help your teammates. ED is now barely useful for a heal, SV is still very viable.

Skelk Venom has 2x cast time of ED which mean it’s more prone to interupt than ED has 1 Less charge, does not provide additional damage and heals for less than the ED charges overall, the share radius is pathetically small and the skill is not used in any gamemode on any build because it is the second worst heal Thief has, but sure it’s so “powerful” and “viable”! And it’s not like it’s the only heal you have access to, since all Revs have two heals no matter what.

If this is second worst heal or thief then imagine where ED stand sin game with this change. It wont hurt, i promise. Vs any decent player ina duel you have about 3k heal every 30sec. Negate ED cus its easy af to do atm and dont atk under Glint heal.. so yay for 3k hp ;D gg wp

Oh btw.. 3k assuming theres no poison on you..

Fat Disgrace.4275:

Burtnik.5218:

BlaqueFyre.5678:

Giving thieves a Cd on weapon skills defeats the whole class concept.

Like it defeats the whole class concept for rev who was supposed to have shorter cd’s on weapon skills than other classes due to energy cost on them? Or the utilities that were supposed to be cd free? And yet here we are. Thief deserves to get slapped short cd’s on their weapon skills. This is called equality.

At least you get full energy back on leneged swap, thives inative is for both weapons sets

Thief also has tons of ways to get initiative back unlike revenant who can olny swap legend and force him into different set of utilities which may not suit the X situation where he might want to stay in one legend for longer (for example camp Mallyx vs condi build). Moreover thief start with full initiative unlike revenant who start with 50% energy and even if you somehow get past 50% during one fight you cant carry it to another one cause for whatever reason it automatically reset back to 50% the moment you leave combat.

Obindo.6802:

Burtnik.5218:

Obindo.6802:

Still strongest class atm

Nerfnant is definitely the “strongest class” with the least amount of stunbreaks ingame, 0 condi cleanse, 0 reliable access to stability, 0 reliable heal cus anyone with brain can prevent it by blocking/evading the daggers and not attacking during Glint heal. Yeah totally the strongest class kappa

Yes, if you’re implying it’s bad, prove it in esl. Any good player knows rev is yet the strongest as it’s always been.

Sadly i cant prove it, reason: i left the game in mid of S2. And dont act like a pro when i have soloed you and Vaans many times in ranked so please give me a break about your so called “esl” cus nobody gives a kitten about it anyway.

BlaqueFyre.5678:

Giving thieves a Cd on weapon skills defeats the whole class concept.

Like it defeats the whole class concept for rev who was supposed to have shorter cd’s on weapon skills than other classes due to energy cost on them? Or the utilities that were supposed to be cd free? And yet here we are. Thief deserves to get slapped short cd’s on their weapon skills. This is called equality.

Obindo.6802:

Still strongest class atm

Nerfnant is definitely the “strongest class” with the least amount of stunbreaks ingame, 0 condi cleanse, 0 reliable access to stability, 0 reliable heal cus anyone with brain can prevent it by blocking/evading the daggers and not attacking during Glint heal. Yeah totally the strongest class kappa

Nerf has worse sustain than a freakin thief right now on top of much lower mobility and lack of stealth. Balance woo hoo.

And if they olny took a look here.. ;D
1 player less for you Anet.

Goodbye revenant.

Use Jalis for stab. His road su gut, now olny for 35 energy cost kappa
Dont forget to stay in it and let all the kittening aoes in the world eat you while were at it cus road op. Plz nurf mure

In my toilet. Deeeeep in the hole. Now give me +1, i gave you answer.

BlaqueFyre.5678:

All multi hit attacks proc Confusion multiple times it really stupid but it is across the board.

No, they dont. Rapid fire doesnt proc confusion 10 times. Volley doesnt proc 6 times. HB doesnt either.

Confusion proc 6 times. Yw

Random thief laughs when he sees a Shiro. Legendary “Assassin” KAPPA

Fade to Black.7042:

Terrible changes so far, as i was especting…Nerfenant is not even close the class it was when i started playing it. Now i’m just waiting to get a useless weapon and skills for the next especialization to quit rev for good.

Fun fact.. i called him Nerfnant first and it seems like everyone follows it now xD

I have quitted this game few months ago in the middle of S2 for Smite. I dont regret any min of this decision. Also i love playing Ratatoskr.

If they olny followed my changes from the document.. like whatever.

Rip retribution, rip Jalis who got nerfed. BB.
And Shiro heal is in even worse place than it was.. like it wasnt worst heal ingame already, it will be even worse now.

Lul Jalis nerfed as excepted

Balance patch is next week i believe.

“One of the points discussed was the impact that 3-man parties had on the health of Ranked Matchmaking. After reviewing the data we have gathered, we have found that overall the benefits of a 3-man queue don’t outweigh the negatives. Starting in the 3.16 patch, players will no longer be able to 3-man queue in Ranked Conquest. "

Thats was for Smite, now you can olny duo q for ranked. 5 man premades have to gtfo.

Euthymias.7984:

I really doubt they’ll stop at that change when it comes to nerfs.

Lol i am still waiting for sword rework, proper buffs to sword offhand, Jalis rework, removed cd’s from utilities.. Who i am kidding right?

Im sorry but
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wi37nJsVRnw

Jalis will get nerfed next patch.

narcx.3570:

Sorry guys, this is my fault as I was sick of necro raiding and JUST finished gearing up my rev for raids.

Kill him with fire. Kill him before he lays eggs.

Bugged and will stay this way forever. It act the same way for charr. Hf playing beta class

fluidmonolith.3584:

Do you support removal of energy cost from weapon skills? And if so, are you willing to accept an increase in utility skill energy costs to compensate?

As if utilities didnt cost tons of energy already. Also news from last min.. we dont really have more skills than other classes. For example Chrono got 20 skills as well. The difference between other classes and rev is that other classes got second set of utility skills in F keys while we swap kits. Thats all.

Rev came out with energy on wep skills for one simple reason – they came off with lower cd’s compared to other classes. However since all these nerfs that happened revenant doesnt really have shorter cd’s than other classes but they still cost energy for no reason. For me its unacceptable situation. Either lower cd’s to what they originally were or get rid of energy cost already.

Zynt.5769:

Rolisteel.1375:

Can you tell me a game that have better balanced pvp and have dark magic class that is not a free kill in 1v1 to some classes.
A lot of people thinks they are skilled because they can kill a necromancer with warrior,guardian,rev, thief etc.
Thing is that you cant survive that classes because they have a lot more dps while also having the better survivability.
The imbalance is so bad that like 7 years old warrior and guardian players can kill me in seconds, guardian fights last longer but they just don’t die in the end they always have some form of healing, condi clear or some damage mitigation ready so guardians can outlast your class easy.
They don’t even have to think just attack you.
I have to think all the time, when what to do, what skill use where to position myself, when stay far when to go closer, kite + tricks to use to survive.
Its a joke how easier life is on those classes.
You just faceroll keyboard with minimal understanding of the class you have success and kill experienced players.

Like I mentioned above, SMITE is better at PvP than GW2. As for a dark magic class, the game has lots of characters to play, that are put into 1 of the 5 classes. All the characters have their own skill sets, but the first character that comes to mind using dark magic, is Ah Puch. He uses voodoo stuff.

Ah Puch is the worst mage in Smite and he might get a new kit in future cause you cant balance it (like it was with my main Ratatoskr). Anubis on the other hand is semi viable and he gets a demon skin (expensive one tho..). Nox uses dark magic and is frustrating to play against. Zhong Kui is okay too. There are more “dark” non magicials chars tho like Izanami, Bakasura or the upcoming deadly god of bats Camazotz. Then theres also skins that may change your “nature” (look, animation, voice pack) to light or dark. Theres a stuff that annoy tf out of me but balance is okay imo considering we have 80 chars atm.

As for the thread, i stopped playing Gw2 in mid of season 2 after i made it to legend. I look at the patch notes and facepalm. Im giving them time till S5 and after that i wont even bother to continue following what they doing anymore. Balance in this game is a huge joke and it doesnt even have any logic behind the changes – for example stab on dodge for rev was nerfed in core builds (retri minor) when the issue was herald gm trait. I really cant take them serious after “balance” changes like this one. They dont explain reason behind changes either. If they continue to follow this path the game will die sooner or later.

Oh look.. Ritualist thread n.493538923475824. Zzzzzz

Are you high or smth? ED can be blinded, blocked, evaded, obstructed, deflected, reflected. You can even LoS it or ktie for the duration.. What tf you talk about? Git gut.

They wont add more utility skills. They cant even fix the bugs, mistakes o their kitten desing decisions and you want them to add new skills. Gl hf

Each legend should have 5 utility skills like engi (per category) but meh..

Idk guys, as someone who tried to make core rev viable i gave up.. Recently i picked back dh and oh boy.. one has to explain me why i should ever bother to play with broken beta rev.

Reliable single target dmg (hi sword 2 n 3 n bugged skills like hammer/mace 2), reliable mobility, reliable heals with no extra conditions required to them (hi worst heal ingame ED), tons of condi cleanse, access to many stunbreaks at same time, access to stab on demand, i dont have to bother with energy system either while using my skills.

Many comes in and mentions how good is rev due to having 2 set of utility bars without reazling that other classes have them as well in other form. Mesmer got shatters, Guardians got virtues, Necro got shroud etc. We dont have advantage of having more skills in combat whatsoever, its a myth

Azukas.1426:

Burtnik.5218:

fluidmonolith.3584:

Burtnik.5218:

The Game Slayer.7632:

Revenants skills are very low CD compared to other classes.

No, they arent. We have same cd’s or even longer as other classes but unlike them rev skills still cost energy.

I agree with this in many cases. However, if we just decreased the cd on many weapon skills, I think Rev would become over-tuned.

The question I have: Would users be willing to accept higher energy costs on weapon skills in return for lower cooldowns? E.g. Staff #5 is reduced to 10s cooldown but now costs 30 energy. E.g. Axe 4 is reduced to 6s cooldown but now costs 20 energy.

IMO, there is a delicate balance between over-costed weapon skills regulated primarily by energy and cheap skills regulated primarily by cooldowns. I think right now Rev is closer to the latter and needs to be pushed a bit in the other direction.

The point of weapon skills costing energy was low cd’s on them (see 2sec CoR vs 4sec True Shot as example). This is no longer the case as over time they raised cd’s and they match other classes right now. At this point they need to get rid of energy consuption from wep skills or revert cd nerfs. Right now its double punishment.

Nope couldn’t disagree more with you. Revenants need no changes at this time, and developer time should be spent elsewhere on other classes that actually need help.

Nope, 0 arguments given. Typical Azukas. You know what? Nope, coulndt disagree more with you. Revenant do need changes as hes completely different from it original intentions. Energy on weapon skills is one of them. We were supposed to have lower cd’s than other classes due to wep skills costing energy. With recent changes its no longer the case and bc of that energy usage on wep skills should be gone as well. Go troll somewhere else now

fluidmonolith.3584:

Burtnik.5218:

The Game Slayer.7632:

Revenants skills are very low CD compared to other classes.

No, they arent. We have same cd’s or even longer as other classes but unlike them rev skills still cost energy.

I agree with this in many cases. However, if we just decreased the cd on many weapon skills, I think Rev would become over-tuned.

The question I have: Would users be willing to accept higher energy costs on weapon skills in return for lower cooldowns? E.g. Staff #5 is reduced to 10s cooldown but now costs 30 energy. E.g. Axe 4 is reduced to 6s cooldown but now costs 20 energy.

IMO, there is a delicate balance between over-costed weapon skills regulated primarily by energy and cheap skills regulated primarily by cooldowns. I think right now Rev is closer to the latter and needs to be pushed a bit in the other direction.

The point of weapon skills costing energy was low cd’s on them (see 2sec CoR vs 4sec True Shot as example). This is no longer the case as over time they raised cd’s and they match other classes right now. At this point they need to get rid of energy consuption from wep skills or revert cd nerfs. Right now its double punishment.

The Game Slayer.7632:

Revenants skills are very low CD compared to other classes.

No, they arent. We have same cd’s or even longer as other classes but unlike them rev skills still cost energy.

Looks fairy accurate tbh, not sure about DH current position in S4 so i cant say how stuff is going on. I would put druids into high tho, they always have this pet and with our amazing sword that means damage loss on them for… free

Dr Patrik.3642:

Lucred.1802:

Dr Patrik.3642:

Omega Zoa.3859:

Spoken like someone who never touched Rev, as a rev we got nerfed into the ground, and now we are bugged galore.

As for ele, try experimenting a LITTLE, don;t just auto go to metabattle, try new things, from what i seen ele is still in a ok spot, just not god mode anymore.

Well this is funny cause rev is actually my main. The reason why when playing rev all the blocks and dodges don’t feel broken is that everyone else (minus poor ele) has an insane amount of stuff to use as well. If most/all of those things I’ve listed get changed except rev, it would be to strong. Hopefully that makes a bit more sense now. As for the myriad of rev bugs, that’s a whole other issue as they aren’t intended, and should get fixed, where as the points I made are things that chosen to be put into the game.

As for ele it has the magi bunker build that makes it work in the same way warrior had gunflame back in season 1 and season 2. It works to an extent but it not optimal at all. Also, don’t even try to bring up s/f burst, that has so many flaws it’s not even funny.

I main a Rev. While I certainly don’t feel like it doesn’t have a place in the meta I’m also not seeing where we have “a block or dodge on every ability”.
-the same 2 dodge rolls everyone else has, except we don’t have any abilities that grant us back endurance (unlike thief, mes, warr)
-shield 5, except unlike every other class with a shield block we can’t move during it and it doesn’t block knockbacks/stuns like scrapper shock field, guard traps, mes float, etc.
-riposting shadows, which costs half our energy, is only usable in our squishiest stance, doesn’t break out of guard traps/ele float, and is bugged to where it doesn’t actually restore any endurance
That’s it for blocks and dodges. That’s less than basically every other class. And we don’t have any invulns. And our Glint heal is broken/bugged at the moment to where condi damage doesn’t provide any extra healing, it just negates it, and only heals off direct damage.

If you’re trying to imply the evade that’s supposed to be built into unrelenting assault, the skill doesn’t work half the time and the other half it only kinda works and you can still be hit during it (IE, the evade part doesn’t trigger). And that’s assuming it doesn’t decide to go love on a barrel or get you stuck in a wall or drop you through the world to your death.

You missed a few things so let me help you out.

Rev damage mitigation:
1. Unrelenting Assault – Yes, it does bug out sometimes but it has gotten better since the July 26th patch where it was completely broken. Now, at least for me, it works every time if I don’t have quickness.
2. Crystal Hibernation – Yes, you cant move but it’s a 3 second block with a big heal attached to it.
3. Warding Rift – A 2 second block every time you switch to staff.
4. Surge of the Mists – Not only dose this evade you, but it also does a lot of damage and eats through stability making multiple stability stacks required to not get cc’d by this skill.
5. Riposting Shadows – a Spammable stun break that restores endurance and clears cripple, chill , and immobilize. Also, it only costs 30 energy which is less than a third of the total.
6. Infuse Light – Immune to all damage and heal from it.
7. (Optional) Soothing Bastion – Another Crystal Hibernation.

So there is a lot, and IF most/all of the other classes get addressed, then these should be looked at as well.

Edit: I don’t know where you got the “a block or dodge on every ability” quote but both the person I was responding to and I never said that. Also, falsely quoting someone is incredibly dishonest and greatly discredits your argument. That is pretty disgusting behavior.

1. Its working even better when you have confusion on yourself.
2. Crystal hibernation has big heal? 2k is big for you? Hahaha, sword offhand over trash shield anyday anytime
3. Literally this block and SOTM is everything staff has. Its another rather trash weapon which consumes tons of energy. Its neither good for dps nor support, its used mostly due to block
4. See 3
5. “Cost only 30 energy” you o realize that after a swap we have 50 energy and we wont reach 100 energy.. like never? At best you can cast it 2x in a row at the cost of not using anything but autoatk
6. At the cost of healing skill. Useless ability vs anyone with brain. Dont even get me started on trash Shiro heal that can be reflected ignoring other issues with it.
7. Terrible af trait, it does more harm than good since the nerf to heal from shield 5.

Just to note, warrior shield is superior to rev shield. There is literally no comprasion whatsoever. Lower cd’s, 2 sec stun, 3 sec mobile block..
Something else?

Deimos Tel Arin.7391:

sophiewhite.3149:

not having to hold down a button just to move your camera is amazing. aiming matters. gw2 its all auto aim. .

do you realize gw2 has an “action cam” update that does what you mentioned?
- does not need to hold down mouse to move camera
- aim with mouse, not auto aim

https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/introducing-the-action-camera/

Anyone using it in pvp is on disadvantage. This game is not designed for it, its more of a pve perk fo screenshots and such.

ShadowRain X.8159:

Burtnik.5218:

Ilias.8647:

Do we have any official word about UA triggering confusion condition multiple times being intended or a bug?

I don’t see it on “known bug list” and I ’ve asked in another thread and someone replied its intended. Still, its listed here so I thought of asking here as well.

I consider it as bug cause other similiar abilities doesnt proc it multiple times. Confusion by game standard is supposed to proc only on skill activation otherwise skills like hundred blades, rapid fire would proc it multiple times as well. Thats not the case.
https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Confusion

Confusion is a condition that deals damage each second and additional damage each time the affected target begins to activate a skill.

You do not activate UA multiple times as its not possible due to cd. You press it only once. Wiki considers it to be a bug as well
https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Unrelenting_Assault

Add to the fact that the old UA that hits 7x doesn’t proc confusion 7x, the change to 5x hits in new UA skill is the culprit for the 5x confusion procs.

Its programmed poorly like most of the revenant skills. Use axe 4, if you have kitten on your way youll dorp into it. Other shadowstep skills goes around that hole. If you use TP and you got some object on your way like wall it fails to teleport. Other teleport skills doesnt have that issue. I can go on and on about how kittened rev is in current state and say nothing but thanks to Roy for poor class.

In case of UA its again poorly programmed. It should proc only once but instead its programmed to activate UA 6 times (1 on activation, and each hit counts as new skill activation) instead being programmed to proc just once.

But what do i know.. PS cant hit stealth targets anymore for whatever reason (ah the thief favouritism..) but it hit random objects to this day. The most fun thing is blinding blade (guard gs5) which behaves is like PS except it can hit stealted foes, it targets all enemies in the radius and yet it doesnt go for random object like PS.

Go to Khylo map near houses. Cast gs guard 5, log on rev, cast PS. I mean.. is it some sort of a joke or what? Or look the teleport
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7d1BZDPL8KA

Saiyan.1704:

Burtnik.5218:

You guys wasted 2 pages for nothing. Let me tell you why;

Something that is dead cant die

Dont even let me get started on “competitive” scene cus i will laugh in your face. Its nothing but a private grange for few people and nobody gives a kitten about whats happening there.
Goodnight.

I’m a bit confused. If you can create a team right this moment, compete and win money, how is it dead?

There may be a handful of teams who compete but the winnings is very much still there. That and I still see new people in pvp… the game is not dead.

Apparently twitch views determines whether or not a game is dead.

Just bc plebnet trying to push esport that will never happen doesnt mean its not dead. And idc about twitch, i base it on 30+min ques in S3. Thats definitely looks alive and alright to have such long ques for one match, right? People are tired with balance of this game and gives up on that. Nobody want x class to be locked in x role like ele being nothing but a healbot.

You guys wasted 2 pages for nothing. Let me tell you why;

Something that is dead cant die

Dont even let me get started on “competitive” scene cus i will laugh in your face. Its nothing but a private grange for few people and nobody gives a kitten about whats happening there.
Goodnight.

Israel.7056:

i have to wait another three months to see any potential nerfs.

Fixed it for you.

serj.8214:

Aury.1367:

Rev would be good if basic bugs would get fixed. Try to fight a mesmer with sword: PS will hit envoirmental walls and flag poles, maybe one projectile will hit an illusion. Same with UA, youre like if you hit once.

How much enviroment that could be hit do u have at spvp?)

Houses, barrels, some walls. The worst offender was Khylo map.

Zenith.7301:

Burtnik.5218:

Zenith.7301:

I just wish CoR could hit anything without bugging on terrain, same for UA.

And it bothers me to no end that the animation for UA si so slow that people with swiftness can walk out while you’re frozen mid air and the ability cancels. UA’s range either needs to be increased or we should be allowed to be mobile while it’s starting to cast instead of rooted in place as it begins to cast.

Dude.. you can move during UA cast animation. WTF?
Ah i completely forgot.. i am in the forum.

You move slower while the animation is activating. Try it out, someone with swiftness can walk in the middle of the jump and cancel your animation.

You can move while the jump into mists animation is winding up, but when you reach the point you’re about to start porting you get stuck in place.

I never had an issue with landing UA unless i used it at the same time as thief who used dash, someone teleported etc. I dont think someone outrun me even once..lol
If you use it from max range then you do something wrong tbh.

Jack Skywalker.5674:

Ugh the difference of playstyle between Power Rev and Vulcan from Smite is so huge….also isn’t part of the reason why assasins nuke people down in mobas is because of the guys who shred the health of the oppoent (either constantly or suddenly) to make them easier to die?

This is not about difference of playstyle. Revenant does assassin job which is +1. If you score huge damage but you dont bring kills then you doing something terribly wrong.

And the fact is that thief has superior damage and ability to +1, superior mobility, can strike from stealth and has tools to deal with condi. Rev doesnt. I lose whole energy just to get close to some scrub while thief can get in and out of nowhere strike you for 10k.
With ele healbot being erased from this game, rev is as well. He got overnerfed in the areas he was strong without 0 kitten given to areas where hes weak.

Power builds from other classes can rival rev and condi builds delete you from the game unlike other power specs. Thats not fair. This is not balance. On top of that we have basically the same cd’s as other classes yet our skills still cost energy. I dont even… reason why we had low cd’s was energy cost attached to them, this is no longer true and for that one reason energy on weapon skills has to go.

Zenith.7301:

I just wish CoR could hit anything without bugging on terrain, same for UA.

And it bothers me to no end that the animation for UA si so slow that people with swiftness can walk out while you’re frozen mid air and the ability cancels. UA’s range either needs to be increased or we should be allowed to be mobile while it’s starting to cast instead of rooted in place as it begins to cast.

Dude.. you can move during UA cast animation. WTF?
Ah i completely forgot.. i am in the forum.