Guild Wars 2

Lucky.9421:

48k for QA? lol no..

Try 28k to 33k. And that’s in Bellevue. An expensive part of the country.

http://www.glassdoor.com/Salary/ArenaNet-Salaries-E255820.htm

Sure buddy.

TheKillerAngel.3596:

I don’t think he’s wrong.

http://www.glassdoor.com/Reviews/ArenaNet-Reviews-E255820.htm

A frequent complaint is that the compensation is poor and below industry standards (“Keeps employees as Temporary Full Time with extremely low starting salaries ($28k-$33k). No benefits or overtime pay for many employees for multiple years.”)

Well again for some perspective, the best a company can generally manage on Glassdoor is a very low 4 out of 5 (with exception to the perfect 5’s based on one review).

Anet has a 3.1 based on 12 reviews. Walmart has a 2.9 based on over 4,000 reviews. Though I do admit it’s an interesting perspective to have.

Have to wonder about the employee who’s upset that pets aren’t allowed at the company.

Are they a ranger dev by chance? :B

TheOneNOnlyGeneralBama.9586:

What you guys fail to realize is ANET is fully of aware of what goes on and off the forums..even if not they can monitor players (while invisible) doing the gauntlet. They know what they are doing , they steering the ship you just sit back and enjoy the ride and stop yelling obscenities about what you have no idea about (exploitation).

Yeah, and the snowflake exploit wasn’t an exploit either.

Hyper inflation due to being ‘forced to farm because it’s so profitable halp me i cant stop’ isn’t going to destroy the economy or be looked at as a malicious attempt to that end.

Neeeevaaaar.

Just in case, I better go pick up some popcorn.

Firebaall.5127:

Thanks for showing you have no idea what’s going on.

Sure bro. Anytime. You have a nice day now.

Firebaall.5127:

Phoenixfudge.5290:

Source.

Do your own homework, unless you want to pay me for doing it for you. Little hint…..the garbage collectors earn in the neighborhood are above 50K per year.

…Anet programmers….trash collecting would be a step up.

There’s a couple that earn a decent wage, but you’re a fool if you think that’s even a portion of those doing the grunt work for this game. Most of them can’t pay cost of living for that region.

…fact.

Hi. I thought I’d drop a little perspective into your hyperbole. Free of charge.

http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/04/03/how-much-do-game-developers-make
http://www.simplyhired.com/salaries-k-garbage-collector-jobs.html

bhagwad.4281:

Please nerf Deadeye. It’s getting horribly boring killing him over and over again the whole day. But since it’s so obscenely profitable at 20g per hour, there’s simply no other activity that I can do.

I want to go back to dungeons etc. But as long as Deadeye keeps rewarding me with vast amounts of wealth I’m forced to do only that. After all…that’s why we play right? To get rich?

P.S: This is not sarcasm. I’m serious!

I’m not trolling. But if I were, given that response, I could be considered successful.

Oxstar.7643:

If you think we’re QQ’ing, you try tackling the things we mentioned on your own.

Been there, done that. You’re the one having problems on a simple personal story mission.

It was graciously pointed out to you what you needed to do, and where you could have gracefully in turn have said “Oh wow, thanks, that flew over my head”…

You, go on a rant about how this game is sooooo cheap and frustrating.

It isn’t. If you learn how to play. Some people have oiled it down to a drone like farm per the ‘zerker or GTFO’ crowd, which has graced your lovely thread. So. Yeah.

Neural.1824:

Until Anet learns how to entice players into spending money as opposed to trying to force them to, we’re going to be stuck with gimmicks.

Until players learn that spending money is optional Anet… nevermind. Keep doing what you’re doing!

This a QQ post. A dev came in to help them out and instead of a thank you, they’re still crying about other instances where they fail.

Seeing as OP failed this particular instance due to a lack of understanding, OP probably doesn’t well understand how to deal with the other instances they’re having trouble with.

Ergo, Anet sucks at making games. Right.

Pawstruck.9708:

Oxstar.7643:

I understand that, and I like how you’re trying to break the mold, but I’m serious about some of the events lacking creativity in difficulty to the point of being cheap.

Btw, thank you for taking the time to respond.

He… explained it. And his explanation was good.

And you admitted to not knowing that you needed to kite him.

This is the part where you say “’Doh! Silly me! Sorry! Thanks for the info!!”

/thread

colesy.8490:

In your previous post you basically said “I do all this awesome stuff and you still think I’m selfish, madness!”. If I kill an innocent and then kill 50 bad guys afterwards and I’m convicted for killing the innocent, it doesn’t change the fact that I killed them. Again here, just because you do X, Y and Z awesome things which are selfless doesn’t mean using non-zerker gear isn’t selfish.

I like to think that gradually I’m reducing the stigma of the word here and you guys will just accept it. There’s nothing wrong with admiting you use gear that isn’t optimal and that it’s selfish, it’s just the denial of those two things which I find odd.

Not everyone is capable of using berserker gear at an acceptable level of use.

If you can’t well use the gear in question and you end up being constantly downed, by using berserker gear, you’re being selfish toward your teammates.

Whereas the same person might perform leagues better in gear that gives them more wiggle room to eat devastating attacks that would have otherwise downed them in berserker gear.

What makes one an elitist is a complete disregard for this fact; not everyone is on your level or will get on your level.

Some people can’t physically play on that level, due to CPU limitations. What’s easily choreographed to you as it’s happening is two seconds too late on another persons CPU, if they can see it at all.

-inb4 playing on less then optimal hardware is selfish-

If you’re dealing with PUGs no less, you’re absolutely daft if you think you can judge someones skill based on what gear they’re wearing.

That said, your speed runs are your business.

But don’t sit there and try to preach from this holier than thou angle of selfless VS selfish and other gear tier BS on the community as a whole.

None of it matters outside the context of the CoF speed clear crowd.

Gate travel costs money all around. Travel within the major cities is free, assuming that involves only the person and whatevers on them, excluding outstanding cargo.

Even that didn’t used to be free. I believe the asura made a concession there/offer of good will, lest they lose business.

Far flung places like Ebonhawk aren’t so lucky.

I assume Ellen Kiel struck some deal with the asura to lower gate travel for her backing of the thaumanova reactor fractal research.

… Back to Hobo-Tron, since he can technically be construed as cargo I would assume that’s why he needs money.

That, or he is indeed a brilliant little troll-bot. Poor starving bard.

Castaliea.3156:

CETheLucid.3964:

Atherakhia.4086:

I’m been called the BS king on this very forum. I think you took my crown.

Was it really that easy? I thought I’d have to say rangers aren’t UP like Chopps or something.

You’d be surprised how many people there are that come on the forums and spew BS like that 100% seriously…

You got me, I should’ve read your whole post lmfao.

Yeah, four digits. Not five digits. 30k barrage, that’d be… nice… lol

I manage a lower 1.3k (high 900 on heavy’s with toughness), 3-5k crits, maybe more if my flame sigil kicks in a few times.

Alone that’s not a lot. Per tick, it’s nothing to scoff at though. Elementalist does about the same with meteor shower and they’re praised for it.

They don’t cripple or even have the guarantee that all their meteors will get their damage tick off.

By comparison, everyone in my barrage circle will be getting hit and crippled. Everyone in meteor shower might get hit.

If it’s just me I can and I do slow the zerg down for a good few before someone might find me and rip my face off (which has already been battered around by the probable retaliation I ate).

But if I have comparable company (a force to meet the enemy zerg), and another AoE class or two (said ele) we can halt them.

Or with a strong front, push them back outright. A well played ranger is very dangerous. OP? No.

We still desperately need work with regards to our pets. Spirits for all their buffs are still lacking. Our attributes in general need help.

UP? Not by a long shot. We can compete and win. We don’t need a grand overhaul.

Just tweaking, a general refinement with regards to the above. Others can put this better then I can.

NargofWoV.4267:

Never compare us to arrow carts, last time I was on an arrow cart I had like 8-9 bags, I’ve almost never stood on a wall with a LB and acquired more than 2-3, most times none ( a few Garrison epic defense fights keeps me from saying more than 2-3 all the time).

Sadly, it is silly stupid how few bags I still get even with the new tag rules. Last night took a keep, guys in chat were counting all their bags, I had like 4… Them talking about being rooked cause they’d only received 10 bags.

4-5 bags is pretty standard for me sitting on top of a tower or keep with RaO up.

I net more on the bigger fights or by being a bold fool and barraging those incoming zergs trying to take my castle. -shrug-

For all the retaliation I eat, I’m still killing the zerkers and squishies unfortunate enough to be in my fire.

I’m still hurting those guardians and forcing them to back up, maybe burn their heals.

I’m still screwing with them mentally in general for the possibility of there being an arrow cart and not just some lone stupid ranger.

I get away with it more then I should.

Atherakhia.4086:

I’m been called the BS king on this very forum. I think you took my crown.

Was it really that easy? I thought I’d have to say rangers aren’t UP like Chopps or something.

This whole thread can be summed up as such:

“Don’t judge me. :C”
“Hahahaha, you’re noob, get on my level, wear zerker or GTFO”
“Okay, I can get the anger about MF, but come on, anything but zerker is selfish? PVT is fine, I’m more durable then a berserker and contribute far better then a MF user…”
“No you dumb kitten, berserker is superior in every way. If everyone wore it, we’d all be optimal in PVE!”

Sensitive people being judged by said berserkers: Many people are trogs in any kind of online environment. Not everyone is like that.

As has been pointed out, your one bad experience isn’t the standard. Many people are quite happy to take you if you’re competent enough and not using MF.

Some don’t even care if you do use MF.

I’m skeptical of anyone who says they face ongoing elitism on a daily basis. As a ranger, I’ve run into far more inclusive groups then I have exclusive ones.

Elitist beserker min/maxers: Keep begging Anet to nerf your spec in order to bring the other specs up to par. You’re doing a great job so far!

Cool non-elitist beserker min/maxers (Blood Red Arachnid and similar): I hope you don’t get that nerf your more vocal side is asking for.

Sorry some of your peers are complete tools. Very pr0… troll feeders.

Astucious.4973:

stale.9785:

Kirschwasser.3972:

I actually enjoy this game TONS more when I’m not on the forums. When I read the forums, people bring up things that make me frown.

Lol, I come to the forums to vent about broken (or stupid) things that I’m pretty sure Anet is never going to bother fixing – then it’s a few deep breaths, and onto the next thing.

I know that the forums are a microcosm, made up (generally speaking) of people who; are extremely hardcore into the min-max mindset; people who have consistent issues with bugs; people who have questions not covered by the wiki; trolls.

Also remember, people genuinely enjoying the game aren’t on the forums – at least not regularly. They’re playing instead of talking about the “optimal” armor, or how to shave .00045 seconds of their total dungeon times.

That’s a pretty questionable summary of the forums…

I’m neither of the above, I enjoy GW2 and I still regularly visit the forums. I enjoy reading topics about the game I enjoy just as much as the game itself. I hardly ever post something, though.

It’s a fairly accurate statement, though I find I’m a lot like you myself. Generalities and such.

Inverted.7439:

You can defend rangers all you want but they’ll always be one of the worst classes for running in WvW, whether you’re roaming or zerging, they just lack what alot of other classes can offer.

Nope. Rangers are the king of area denial with longbow. With the right spec, we’re portable arrow carts.

Yes hitting the zerg guardians with barrage sucks, but with sufficient vitality and the relative safety of fair company (o kitten guise, a zerg) I’m still hitting the enemy zerg for four digits per tick (non-crits, crits do even more), and re-applying cripple every time.

Even if I do eat retaliation, I manage to survive most of the time. I can delay a zerg of 20-30 by myself for a little while.

It’s also a psychological thing you can play on. Many people think “crap, they have an arrow cart up somewhere”.

With some eles, necros, or other rangers and some good frontline we can push them back outright.

I’m thinking if I really wanna be a troll, I might throw in sharpening stone in there before I engage if it comes to mind.

If you haven’t been hit and are technically out of combat, never underestimate the utility of switching your skills pre-fight.

That said, I’m not a god and my cleverness with it all is a close enough thing.

If I’m discovered and the zerg wants to 4vs1 me (or steamroll me as the case may be), I’m more or less dead.

I can barely manage two or three when I switch into s/d, but I probably just suck or need to roll a more trappy/spirit spec to deal with multiple people in my face.

The stealth buff on Longbow was a blessing to that end. In such situations, I now actually stand a chance of getting away.

Not winning. Surviving to maybe re-engage again if I’m lucky.

Our pets still need better AI, or at least the ability to be reliable in hitting PCs. If our pets can’t effectively hit things in a fight, you’re down 30% or so of your damage.

This is mitigated a little with attribute speed buffs, and using ranged pets in zerg or larger scale fights. In smaller fights, melee pets can work.

Bird seems to be the most reliable in hitting moving targets, but is also among the squishiest (bird is glassy). You need high BM to make em’ decent.

But yes, this is still a problem.

Ranger still needs some love in general, but Anet isn’t ignoring us and they have been going in the right direction with us. A well played ranger is very dangerous.

Fordel.3208:

I would not cry if Maul got a blast finisher.

I wouldn’t mind that either but at the current cooldown, that might be a little OP. But then, hammer folks get spammable BF’s so… eh.

It’d be nice if they did that. What I would hate, is if they nerfed the cooldown on Maul to do that.

Either give us a blast finisher with the cool down as is, or please don’t do it.

What I think is fair since they changed the condition from bleeding to vulnerability, would be to buff the actual damage it puts out since we don’t have that bleed stack to account for anymore.

So Being 1-Shot is meant to be a Challenge?

Well, see, the goal is to not get hit by said devastating attack.

Chopps.5047:

Meh, believe ranger is UP all you want, more bags for me.

/thread /rangerfist

Scepter and staff are great ranged weapons, some of our best damage is in scepter. No other class comes close to the utility and party support elementalist staff offers.

Dagger offhand adds great utility to your scepter. Focus is grossly underrated, very powerful full-on caster type weapon in the right hands.

Very standard ‘wizard’ fare, that.

Main-hand melee dagger combat is a welcome surprise for our class, a mage going melee and doing it well no less is unheard of.

We do it with style, a “melee” all our own that utilizes our elemental prowess. Never seen it work like it does in GW2.

Everything about it is brilliantly planned out.

Seeing that swords and great swords are too cumbersome for a mage class (mesmer not withstanding; most of their attacks involve heavy magic use and little actual weapon prowess), dagger was a perfect choice.

The elementalists’ ability to take the fight to the enemy in a magical/melee mix of dagger play is a genuinely unique style of game play exclusive to GW2’s elementalist.

It’s also a lot of fun, high risk high reward game play. For that reason, you’ll see a lot of people playing that role.

It’s different and fun. You can choose to make your elementalist melee focused, but it’s certainly in no way forced on you.

The elementalist does more then well on scepter and staff. We’re among the best with them. Certainly in our element.

HumaCarrionEater.8254:

Really? I don’t think I see this selfishness. Do you have some examples?

I actually like the Nightmare Court. I get sick of three dimensional bad guys, as weird as that sounds. I don’t find it very realistic. In the real world there are many people who have motivations as simple as murder people so I can get off on it, or manipulate others because it’s fun and I like to see how much I can get away with. You’re more likely to find a psychopath Nightmare Court style in the real world than you are a Hannibal Lecter.

Something people miss with the Nightmare Court also is that you can’t take them at the strength of their ideas. No matter how great someone’s ideas are if they’re torturing people to get them to accept those ideas everything becomes wrong.

Torturing people has the benefit of being something the torturer can get off on, forcing the victim to accept their idea, and being an antagonistic element.

That’s pretty three dimensional to me.

You just seem to have a natural aversion to torture as a means. Most people do. But factually, it’s very effective.

Psychopaths will differ with you, and force you to say and do whatever they want of you if you want the pain to stop. You will submit or you will suffer.

The idea good or bad is irrelevant, if all you want is relief. Very few are those who can both suffer and die for their virtues. Many are sooner broken.

For such a one victory is death and suffering the reward, and what is worth that ultimately? How much do you value your beliefs?

Would you really suffer horribly and die a terrible death for them?

What is the value of peace? What is the value of relief? What is the value of comfort and even a mere moment of peace with no pain?

What would you do for these things given a trade between peace and comfort VS suffering and death for your beliefs?

Be careful how you answer.

Obscure One.4357:

You neglect us in favor of casual, no-talent, lame-stream, tourist gamers and we will fill your game with the most toxic and spiteful PvP community imageable. All those promises are straight up poison and venom when they’re broken…and without a pay wall to keep up from sticking around we’ll continue to toxify the PvP community.

We came to GW2 because:
“The most important thing in a game should be the player…we have built a game for them.” -Ree Soesbee, Guild Wars 2: Manifesto

And we stay to flame post because:
_"…no monthly fees." -Mike O’Brien,Guild Wars 2: Manifesto

Most of the WvW and PVP community I’ve experienced have been very kind and level-headed reasonable people, who love the game and what we have so far.

Even more so then some of the toxic PvE folks I know.

Anet hasn’t dissapointed yet. Implementation does take time and everyone hates waiting. Patience is a virtue.

Some of them are growing restless and are eager for more… and then on the other end of that are people like you.

You’re in that emotive irrational minority of folks that every game with an online element has.

You don’t speak for anybody but yourself. Further, declaring on the public forums that you’re going to do your best to be a toxic community element isn’t very smart.

You’re on the record for that now. Well done!

Northlander.4619:

The irony here is that Destiny’s edge was supposed to be something but they really are not. I hardly know them.

Make a day where you’re not going to skip the dungeon cutscenes. Story ones in particular.

Broseph.9104:

I believe they call it Barrage, son.

E: Just hope that you don’t hit 5 guardians.

E2: Son

I won’t dissapoint you, father.

-hits six guardians with barrage-

Shiren.9532:

So who’s ruling Kryta? Jennah or the Order of Whispers? I’m obviously missing a lot of information on Caudecus because while I played the Order of Whispers story in the game (and helped Demi) I have no idea where people are getting Caudecus’s political leanings when it comes to Elder Dragons. Last time I checked, Kryta wasn’t a big player in the war with Zhaitan. It was the Pact doing all the work. Caudecus doesn’t strike me as a coward or a stupid man, he’s actually very clever and knows how to identify opportunities that benefit him. If he’s willing to work with the centaurs and the bandits, why wouldn’t he work with the charr?

Ultimately it comes down to what the writers want to write. They want Jennah to be the good queen, this much has been forced on us with convenient political alliances to reinforce that fact. They want Caudecus to be the shady villain that we can’t quite pin down. This has been one of the more compelling GW2 plots. They also want us to believe that Jennah is necessary for the charr/human treaty to take place. For as long as the writer holding the pen has decided that’s the case, it doesn’t matter that other options exist. The writer is god.

Doesn’t the potter have the right to make use of their clay as they see fit? Many artists are such ‘gods’.

What can be VS what is so isn’t for you to decide in regards to another persons clay, but is the creators right to do so as they will.

Your criticisms may be noted or disregarded at their discretion, but you have no power or authority to speak either to one thing or another in regards to their work.

I like the vision they have at present. Your vision is weird. Many horrible people didn’t have to be horrible people.

They could have been decent or good people. But they decided to be horrible people.

Who he could be is irrelevant. Caudecus is a bad guy. That’s just the matter of fact, the lore at present.

If he took the throne from Queen Jennah, it would be bad news for a lot of people.

Yes if you could rewrite the story, Caudecus could be the pink unicorn of salvation for the great empire of the misunderstood bat people.

But we are where we are. It is what it is.

Obscure One.4357:

WvW Player: “Hey ANet, I think that passion we used to have is gone…”

ANet: “Oh come on baby, check out this living story, it’s got loads of new content.”

WvW Player: “It’s not you, it’s me…I have needs.”

ANet: “Oh come on baby, check out this living story, it’s got loads of new content.”

WvW Player: “…and I feel like you don’t even listen to me anymore…”

ANet: “Oh come on baby, check out this living story, it’s got loads of new content.”

WvW Player: “alright, !#$% this I’m out!”

ANet: “We’re aware of the problems and are working towards ideas that may potentially work to resolve them in the future.”

WvW Player: “Really!? Like what?”

ANet: “Not prepared to say at this time…in the meanwhile check out this living story, it’s got loads of new content.”

WvW Player: “Oh what the #&$%! We need a break…maybe we can try this again when you get your #$%& together!”

I like loads of new living story content.

Serophous.9085:

Shes going to be captured by a giant green turtle with spikes on its shell, and spits fire, escaping into a hot air balloon with a basket looking like an evil smiling face.

In order to save her, we must enter a dungeon that hws several castles in it, defeat each one to find her, an each wrong cadtle will just have another captive telling us to try somewhere else.

And when you do find the right castle, only way to beat the tiant turtle is by being on a bridge, getting by him, ajd using an axe at the end to cut it, sending the giant turtle into the river of lava.

Seems legit. I would play such a game!

Xkyline.5267:

Nothing much imo.He probably just likes making pretty lights and wearing armor made of silk and linen instead of the generic heavy-duty steel.To hell with all the other charr screaming gaaaaaaaaaay at him,he can always watch Disney channel and do some quiet ballet by himself when he’s feeling down.Or he’s just a furry James Bond on a high-risk mission that doesn’t allow him to carry any personal items,hence he’s forced to learn the nature of the elements to light his cigar when in a pinch w/o resorting to an inconvenient flint stone.

Kojiden.8405:

I don’t want to see a treaty signed. The charr need to wage war against the humans again.

Get out of here you filthy renegade/separatist. :B

Dustfinger.9510:

As Caithe said about the difference between Gavin and the crazy chaotic one, “Evil comes in many forms”.

This. If anything, Gavin is a more sinister kind of evil because he’s able to conjure just enough to pass himself off as empathetic.

Green feathers. We can pretend they’re leaves though. :B

It looks great, beautiful character.

Leo G.4501:

Charr are bigger? Not according to in-game mechanics. The tallest Norn is taller than the tallest Charr. In lore, Norn are giants but were downscaled for the game’s mechanics.

Nope. Tallest norn and tallest charr are just about the same size… and the charr is hunching over.

That’s natural for charr mind you, but if he puts himself straight up (such as with /salute)… he could end up being be a head or two taller.

I’d have given you the lore argument, maybe, but you specifically said according to the in-game mechanics. That’s not true.

Charr can be made massive. I assume since that’s not exactly expounded upon, it’s probably an uncommon thing (tall people are by definition uncommon) and certainly not a defining characteristic.

Where with norn, tall people are the standard. Even the shortest of norns are the very tallest of individuals by human standards.

An average norn is a giant compared to an average human.

SirDrygan.1823:

That has got to be hinting at something….. Logan’s going to be heartbroken!!!!!

I hope not. He’s already been through hell and back again physically and emotionally. Always with the hard times those Thackery’s.

Though, Elbegast’s post in that thread was pretty hilarious and epic. Had to +1.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/livingworld/jubilee/What-disaster-will-befall-QJ/2544780

panzer.6034:

You’re half right. You can easily make a taller human female look like a norn female but never in a million years is a male human going to pass as the hulk (of which there is completely zero female analog).

No, I’m 100% right. :3

They’re proportionate. Norns, male or female, in general are in a league of their own.

The very tallest bulkiest human female can barely compete with the shortest, thinnest norn female.

The tallest female norn is all together stockier and makes a wimp out of the tallest human female.

She’s not even a head shorter then the tallest bulkiest hulkiest male norn.

Sized down, male and female norn can pass for human. Your complaint hinges on one ultra bulky hulkian option for male norns, and even this one isn’t unbelievable.

He’s a norn. Sized down he would pass for a roid’ using human maybe, but he’s not covered in fur and horns (ATM, lest he transforms XD).

He would still be believably human-esque. You want a ridiculous proportion for female norn, I get it. Maybe the devs will humor you. :)

Shiren.9532:

Yeah, cause nothing that happens in the world can be out of sync with the Personal Story. The truth is, Jennah is only around in instances, they can easily kill her off while preserving this.

Rurik and Togo both die in GW1, that doesn’t stop you from repeating missions which have them alive. If they can kill an Elder Dragon yet have his minions and champions still appearing in the open world, they can easily take out a queen who has little to no relevance to the open world outside of minor mentions in a handful of DEs.

That’s all well and good, but you forget that Rurik and Togo dying are part of their respective games stories.

If an add-on (Guild Wars Beyond) had Rurik and Togo all fine and dandy, that would be an impressive paradox to bridge.

Queen Jennah does not die in Guild Wars 2. She looses relevance as you continue your personal story, but she’s still around.

The dungeons expand on the games lore to that end. Queen Jennah is a very important figure in this game.

We’re even getting a living story dedicated to her! :P

At best, the queens life may yet be threatened. Maybe she’ll be killed off in a later game.

But she’s not going to be killed off as part of the living story of this games story without some impressive explanation and some serious in-game retcon, leading into said sequel or something like that.

It could be done, but short of something as huge as a sequel it would be a horrible, stupid idea.

Though, seeing as the majority in this thread don’t pay attention to any of that I’m sure many of you would be none the wiser… even happy about it.

Bunch of sick puppies, some of you.

We can get something interesting without killing off beloved characters, calm your bloodlust. Remember Tybalt.

PS Quit hating on Traherne. It won’t end well~

PolarisNova.3867:

You people make me laugh :-P You vote Kiel who is a do-gooder, but yet Jennah, the beacon of peace and unity, you want her assassinated. o.O

Probably because those people aren’t posting on the forums. The forums are a dirty sample of the worst the community has to offer, more often then not.

This thread gives me a headache. You lot who are hating on Logan have either never finished the games story, skipped it, or you’re really bad trolls.

Without Jennah, we wouldn’t have humans and charr on a road to peace. She’s a great leader and we’ll live in a better more exciting world for it.

On top of that using some simple logic, we know she isn’t going to be killed. She’s an integral character to the games personal story. That would create a nasty paradox.

She isn’t going anywhere OP. Long live Queen Jennah!

Ex-flame legion fellow who saw the light, realized flame legion is full crazy and <insert dramatic story here>

Found refuge in Ash Legion and slowly began to grow in prominence until disaster struck his warband… cut, game lore picks up here, print.

You’re welcome.

I’m an Iron Legion thief. Totally not an Ash Legion plant or anything. Perish the thought! Now, or you die!

Nah, just kidding. Let’s get you a shot of whiskey, on me.

… In short, it would be one helluva fight. Charr and norn are the big bruisers in this world.

She’s so shiny! Beware the skritt. They’re likely to steal you away. :O

Garm.9750:

CETheLucid.3964:

panzer.6034:

Because one of the “human” females is taller than the other “human” female. If they were both scaled to the same height and running around in an event, no one would have any clue they were different races. If you scaled a big body type male norn to the height of a male human, he looks different because he has massive proportions. There is nothing remotely like that separating the female norn and the female human like there is for the men and the difference gets even greater when you add bulky armor.

If you were to scale up a human female to norn size, she would look like a norn… as would any male human scaled to norn size.

Actually not. Scaled down norn (or scaled up human) will not look like a human (or norn), because of his proportions (distance between head and chest, wide shoulders etc), and that’s the point.

Actually yes. You don’t have a point. Even panzer agrees they would look human scaled down.

You’re a pedant grasping at straws. Several Mr. Universe’s don’t look quite human by these standards, and yet there they are. Is that all you have?

Do you need to move the goal posts around some more or are you finished?

RoyalPredator.9163:

I’ve palyed a lot in the last 2 days.
My ranger: WEAKER
Fun Factor: LESS
Unwanted Stealth on skill 3 (Witch should work on Skill 4 perfectly): ANNOYING

Go ahead…

I’ve played a lot in the last 2 days.
My ranger: HARDER TO KILL, FASTER AT KILLING, WUBWUB ZERG HATES ME
Fun Factor: OVER 9000
Beloved Stealth on skill 3 (Which goes nicely with the range buff on Skill 4): AWESOME

Go ahead…

Elbegast.6970:

Of course ANet will cheat.

Pack up or shut up. If the former, can I have your stuff?

KorKor.9452:

As for what I meant about the obvious choice bit that most people will go with as I’ve said many times in this thread. People do not dig deep in real elections let alone fake ones online. They will take a glance at something such as hero/villain, human/charr, waypoints/keys and then did no deeper then that and vote along that line.

Well, those people are stupid. They’ll die. And then they’ll leave a stupid corpse.

Evon Gnashblade is by no means evil.

It is plain as day he genuinely cares for LA and he’s done more then anyone personally and openly to help LA become the center of trade and commerce it is today.

You can’t speak ill of a guy who goes against his own fellows to do the right thing, and you don’t make LA the center of international commerce over night.

OP’s moral compass is broken.

Xiao Haishou.3691:

Umm, yeah there is basis. Evon disobeyed an order from his legionnaire, killed her, then assumed her position as legionnaire.

Everyone who thinks that setting Evon as a murderer as going too far, it has already been written that he staged a coup and killed his legionnaire

No, there isn’t and no they didn’t. You leave out key details from the short story to give that idea.

Evon never staged a coup. It happened spontaneously. His legionnaire went batkitten insane at the prospect that Evon would even dare question her course.

Being that she probably grew up with Evon the way she responds to his calm respectful suggestion is very cold, even for a charr.

She was not impressed with him, and Evon protesting was the straw that broke the camels back.

Elbegast.6970:

BobbyStein.2315:

I’m voting for Kiel. You should, too!

I’m happy for you. Now, please, go write something that has nothing to do with merchants, crabs, politics or pirates.

But merchants, crabs, politics, and pirates make for a great story.

panzer.6034:

Because one of the “human” females is taller than the other “human” female. If they were both scaled to the same height and running around in an event, no one would have any clue they were different races. If you scaled a big body type male norn to the height of a male human, he looks different because he has massive proportions. There is nothing remotely like that separating the female norn and the female human like there is for the men and the difference gets even greater when you add bulky armor.

You answered that exceedingly simple question like a true politician. Avoid the question, restate your tired argument.

If you can’t tell me which in that picture that I re-posted is a norn and which one is a human, you’re dense or you’re intentionally denying the obvious to argue.

To answer you in regards to the size scaling, humans and norns do not share the same slider scale.

The tallest female human is dwarfed by the tallest female norn, even with the bigger body type for the female human and the slimmer body type for the norn.

If you were to scale up a human female to norn size, she would look like a norn… as would any male human scaled to norn size.

The same is true of male norns being scaled to human proportions, with the exception of maybe that one body option.

And even then, they can feasibly pass as a human on steroids or something. Norn and humans are both hominids, we’re similar in appearance and biology.

As it stands, you cannot make a human like you can make a norn, or vice versa. The shortest norn option is a head or three taller then the tallest male human option.

Male norn are bigger still (males tend to be bigger then females with hominids) and can achieve hulk like proportions, as you demonstrated.

This doesn’t prove that norns are disproportionate to one and other.

Example: Tallest male hulkian norn, slightly taller then average female norn a bit shy of max height, an average height male human, and a taller then average human female are all in the same room together.

Tallest male hulkian norn is in a league of his own because he’s a norn. He’s massive. But guess who in this group won’t be confused for his short kids?

It would be the female norn.

She’s altogether bigger then and towers over the two humans and can at least meet the male norn to his upper body, just under his head at the neck or chest.

Male and female norn are relatively proportionate to each other. No one else comes close. They make the rest of us small. They’re exaggerated hominids, giantesque.

That’s by design and Anet did it very well. If you like your norn women fullfigured, there is a body type for it.

People don’t have to pick the slender body/rich bust type for their female norn… but they tend to do that.

KorKor.9452:

Well once again as I said in that other thread we already know who is going to win this. A majority of all player base go for the humanoid races or just flat out human and on top of that many go for the scantly clad humans as well. Just walk around your LA and pay attention to each person if you need that verified.

A vast majority of the human race playing MMORPG’s always dislike the so called -monster- races and have trouble dragging up true empathy for them. Which is more fact then opinion but the real kicker here is the rewards and the characters.

Kiel has been toted around the game and exposed to the player base for awhile now as this great bubbly human lionguard hero. Which lets face it people love annoying bubbly. She also cuts your waypoint fees which every player uses to get to events for yellows, leveling, and new living story.

Did… did you really just describe Kiel as bubbly? Seriously?

They don’t come anymore no nonsense then Kiel. She barely comes off as human sometimes, we’ve just now begun to see a lighter side to her character.

She’s the hardened noble heroic type, heart of gold.

Very honorable character. She’d be a good fit for LA, really clean up the cutthroat image. She would improve the place for the better.

Evon Gnashblade isn’t a bad choice. He’s a good guy all things considered.

Little sketchy and a bit too classical of a politician at times for my tastes but especially with that new story release, you learn Evon Gnashblade is an inscrutable character, but one that genuinely cares about LA and it’s people.

Nothing says “I care” quite like taking a knife to your legionaries throat over the ordeal.

He went against his own kind, his warbands legionnaire no less, to make certain that the Black Lion Trading Company became a capitalist free market that served all peoples, as opposed to a charr-mafia style extortionist ring.

Evon Gnashblade is brilliant and bold. He’s a credit to charr and his legion. He’s richer for it and he deserves every copper.

He’s more then proven his dedication to LA, and he would be a good choice.

Unlike in real life where one candidate is a clear and obvious pick or else both candidates are horrible and you end up having to choose the lesser of evils, this is a really interesting and fun race because both candidates are excellent picks.

You can’t really go wrong with either. It’s a tough pick.

I’m so used to finding an obvious choice because politics tend to be very cut and dry like that in real life, it’s a new experience having candidates that are both… really good picks!

I like it!

Drakkon.4782:

I have not found time in my busy schedule of dealing with the Dragon problem to investigate their technology, nor it’s source, the Pale Tree. I’m certain if I could run a few non-invasive tests on her I would be able to unlock the mechanics behind her biological technology, and then I could replicate it under controlled conditions.

Yeah, that won’t be happening.

The asura nearly gained the sylvari as an enemy due to such forays. Malomedies’ tale is a heavy and recent one. The physical and emotional wounds are fresh.

They’ve forgiven your people as a whole, but many have not forgotten.

It was the Pale Tree that spoke to her children to forgive your people regarding this, when several had sentiments of revenge.

You would then given recent history, consider experimentation on the mother of their race?

The same one that stayed the hands of her children against you? I… wouldn’t pursue that avenue if I were you. Non-invasive or not, it’s not a good idea.

From a common sense standpoint, I know many more asura with superior morallity then I do ones determined to be reprobates.

Let’s flip the situation. Would you consent to experimentation on your mother?

Moreover, would you consent to experimentation on your mother from someone with a bad record?

If the asura are determined to maintain their friendly neutrality with everyone, you have a fine line to walk there if not especially with regards to the sylvari.

Dear Anet,

I love this unexpected and wonderful change, and I love this thread. Thank you for the hours of endertainment from then till now. Never stop being awesome.

<3, vindicated ranger.

Eley.1907:

Aridia.3042:

How is the ability to loose aggro ever useless in PVE?

Cause it’s not needed at all. In open world, we can just run away from mobs, in dungeons we’re not tanking.

Stealth on longbow is pure PvP addition and I wish to disable it in PvE.

Really no one is bothered that stealth stops auto-attack?

… Are you serious, bookah? o_o

Drakkon.4782:

Not the way you think.

The charr will likely shoot the asura and take the laser pointer to reverse engineer it into a more lethal weapon.

Charr rarely eat sentient species anymore. They just threaten to do so.
Yes.
I think this is a silly thread. GJ.

/thread

Laser pointers are serious business and charr are serious people. It’s a mistake to aim what can be construed as a weapon sight in the general direction of a charr.

EDIT: OP, I love your signature so much. So much truth and lols.

panzer.6034:

The problem is that when you have either female standing alone, they look completely human while a male norn is clearly norn based solely on bodily proportions.

Okay, so, which female is a norn and which one is a human in that picture? Based on what?

Zaxares.5419:

I guess I would like to see Norn females have more “bulk”. If you took a max size, max width version of the Human female and Norn female, they’d still share a relatively similar outline. In contrast, if you took the male versions and compared them with each other, it’s immediately obvious which one is the Norn.

When you compare a human female and a norn female, it is ridiculously apparent which one is human and which one is a norn.

Norn’s are human-esque giants with the potential to shape shift werewolf style. They’re both massive compared to the average human, male or female.

Males have a greater body muscle/mass, females to a lesser degree. Norn women are still women. They’re similar to humans, and so, that’s nature.

That said, they are on a bigger scale. It is readily apparent when you compare an average human female and an average norn female; she’s a giant.

A norn female will often tower over the human male, let alone the human female.

Some people in that thread want norn women to look exactly proportionate to the male, and that’s just not natural given that norns are human like giants.

Males tend to be bigger then females in general. Fact.

Norn males are massive mighty men. On this exaggerated scale, norn women compare very well to their male counterpart. They’re giant mighty women.

That other thread (creeping into this thread now) is essentially people arguing (very) subjective tastes and issues of beauty.

In other words, it won’t be going anywhere ever.

From an objective point of view, norns are proportionate to one and other. They’re giantesque people and Anet did that well.

There isn’t a lot of variation but that’s a general problem, not a norn problem.

I personally don’t see that issue as anything game breaking. People are mad that GW2 doesn’t have a PSO2 style character creator.

GW2’s is better then most, and a huge leap from the first game.

And honestly if you look, you’ll see some people complaining that norn are too big. So, yeah. Fickle fanbase is fickle. Norn are awesome.