I’d love to know wher this ominous “luck” comes into play that all the bad players are reffering to, when trying to justify why they couldn’t beat her….
I’m not trying to justify why i cant beat her. I say that with 12 FPS in low setting is IMPOSSIBLE to beat her.
i agree, the figth not being instanced makes it harder for people with an older pc,
that shouldn’t be the case but i wasn’t referring to you.
my point is, there are people of every profession who have beaten her so it’s not
impossible
Seriously? A boss that randomly downs you (not talking about the ring attack) is a well thought-out challenging encounter to you?
It never randomly downs you.
Illusions spawn in a pattern I am yet to predict, without prior warning, and they down you when they touch you. Illusion spawning on you will down you instantly, no warning.
Then you better learn to predict the pattern because it’s the same every time.
I’d love to know wher this ominous “luck” comes into play that all the bad players are reffering to, when trying to justify why they couldn’t beat her….
Oh, so this game can’t have some ‘hard’ to get achievements because then you can’t get it? Get over it. You don’t need to have every single achievement. This achievement is supposed to be hard.
Let me guess, you play a mesmer or Guardian or warrior. The classes that faceroll this kind of content.
warrior and thief, it’s easy on both… i’m assuming you can’t beat her so enlighten me,
where is this fight luck based in your opinion?
Oh, so this game can’t have some ‘hard’ to get achievements because then you can’t get it? Get over it. You don’t need to have every single achievement. This achievement is supposed to be hard.
shhh! don’t tell the entitled players they can’t have everything.
i smell a kittenstorm incoming…
I’d love to know wher this ominous “luck” comes into play that all the bad players are reffering to, when trying to justify why they couldn’t beat her….
But will they fix any of that before the content is gone? Will get, instead maybe on or two of those things fixed for the next, time, and probably a st of different bosses and achievements, so we can’t have a go at them again after fixes?
@Shakki: I’ve completed Liadri on my ele with both zerker and knights gear, and on my guardian with knights gear. You do not need a “specific gear setup” or a “specific class/build” in order to kill her. All you need is the will to keep trying.
And what if it’s a failry new Player,who don’t have 8 chars wioth differenty gear but only one and no money to modify it for example has an Ele Support healing Power build, you think this player can kill her? i think not.
That person needs to do the best with what they have.
And perhaps they give it their all and they still don’t succeed. I see no problem with that. This boss is by no means beatable for everyone.
Video of you doing this on Ele? I would love to see it, as her grasps alone out damage all the heals I have. And if I do go condition, I cannot stack them fast enough during phase 2 to beat the timer.
Burrows in AC have the same mechanics. That “bug” was there from the start.
I’ll just tell you what i told the “casuals” who complained about aetherblade retreat being too hard:
Observe
Adapt
Overcome
What i want to say is: If you like it or not, the orbs are the way they are now and probably will be for the remainder of the event. Instead of complaing try what works for you and include that in your approach.
Just keep in mind, this content is for hardcore players. .
Ok, you dont consider 40 gold, more than 120 on a single boss, over 3 days of trials, around 7 hours of pure play, retraiting regearing solely for the purpose of beating this boss hardcore? Then geez, what else could it be?
Im sorry, but right now it is borderline impossible to do, has too many luck elements on top of the already punishing mechanics.
Remove luck away and it will be skill, which improves with time spent. Right now I can either die in the first phase than at 10% hp in 2phase. Nobody is that incoherent. Luckplays a much too big factor. P2 needs to be toned down, period.
There is literally nothing in this fight that requires luck. Everything has a set spawnpoint. As i said, clearly a player issue. You might want to look in your
respective class subforums; i’m sure there are plenty of helpful
threads with tactics for various setups.
Agree with the bugs, other than that the fight is fine as it is.
Change any of the mechanics and everybody can do it.
They point is that they shouldn’t. The orbs can be killed with ranged attacks, just use one with pbaoe on impact or something that doesn’t count as projectile – problem fixed. There are only a total of 3 orbs in the entire fight so that shouldn’t be a problem,
plus they take a very long time to charge and pull you so you have plenty of time to counter that. Aoe is fine, just learn the patterns and avoid it.
Time limit is fine too, it’s part of the challenge and without it i would have beaten her on my third try which would have been far too easy.
Just keep in mind, this content is for hardcore players. It’s challenging on
purpose. It was completed by every class. It was completed by zerkers as well
as support characters and condition based characters.
If you can’t do it then that’s a player issue.
Problem fixed? How about broken design if you cant use your skills properly… The problem is not fixed, it should not even be Obstructed. The fact you’re saying that is a fix is sad.
Also it was not completed by every class. 5 out of 60 testers completed it. They didn’t say it was done by every class.
Did any of the devs even say that this was a bug? No.
For all we know it could be to force you to use pbaoe skills, which every class has access to.
Also 5 people completed it, but among those 5 people, every class was used.
That was said multiple times now. Also i was referring to numerous
forum threads where people are saying how they beat her
with support or cond builds.
Agree with the bugs, other than that the fight is fine as it is.
Change any of the mechanics and everybody can do it.
They point is that they shouldn’t. The orbs can be killed with ranged attacks, just use one with pbaoe on impact or something that doesn’t count as projectile – problem fixed. There are only a total of 3 orbs in the entire fight so that shouldn’t be a problem,
plus they take a very long time to charge and pull you so you have plenty of time to counter that. Aoe is fine, just learn the patterns and avoid it.
Time limit is fine too, it’s part of the challenge and without it i would have beaten her on my third try which would have been far too easy.
Just keep in mind, this content is for hardcore players. It’s challenging on
purpose. It was completed by every class. It was completed by zerkers as well
as support characters and condition based characters.
If you can’t do it then that’s a player issue.
People expected something other than OHKO and perma-KD from Anet?
HAHAHAHAHAHA.
That’s all Anet knows how to kittening do. It’s so pathetic. They are TERRIBLE at encounter design. Have been since launch. The encounters in this update are par for the course as well.
I hate this gauntlet as much as anybody else but let’s be fair. There have been some better bosses like the F&F ones. Fun, challenging and rewarding. That’s the way a boss fight should be done.
When I finished Liadri what I felt wasn’t satisfaction over having completed an awesome fight. It was satisfaction knowing I’d never have to do it again. To me this is the telltale sign of a poorly designed fight.
And for me it was the complete opposite because i now try to tackle the “light up the dark” achievement. Wanting more of a hard bossfight is to me a telltale of a well designed fight.
I am very disappointed. For almost a year, despite every minor and major annoyances I have kept beleiving that this game is fun. As they say, it’s the little things, that…
Yes, the little things. Like: The collapsing stars which pull you cannot be shot down with a shortbow nor pistol, because obstructed…. how? I am standing right in front of it and obstructed.
Then: If someone did subject 7 before me (which happened 14 times today) the small oozes are left there and keep damagin you. Is it not something that should be taken care of immediately? Very annoying.
As mentioned before: circles spawning at the corners? I know that this game is flooded with “randomness” but seriously?
Then again: if the visions do not pass the exact middle of the light thingies, nothing happens. The effect is a lot bigger than it actually is.
If the idea is that these achievements should require skill instead of restless grinding, than make it so. Not luck. Not for special specs/classes only. Skill.
There is no luck involved; patterns for the aoe are the same every time.
the screen blind can be turned off by disabling post processing.
Range her, melee the pulling orbs; that’s why you have weapon swap, use it!
if this content wasn’t time gated for 2 weeks then you would have some ground to stand on for your snobbery because you can get lucky or you run the elitist zerk build to just nuke her down.
but it is, and whats the point of designing content that not everybody can do and is poorly tested? its just a waste of time and money, wow only 5 out of 100 people could do it. this totally wasn’t a waste of time to make. well now since at least 5 did it everybody else can do it in 2 weeks. fullproof logic
Queen’s Gauntlet is actually 4 weeks.
its still time gated not permanent
once again, there is no luck involved. if you know how to play, you will eventually beat her. if you are bad, you won’t. simple as that.
if this content wasn’t time gated for 2 weeks then you would have some ground to stand on for your snobbery because you can get lucky or you run the elitist zerk build to just nuke her down.
but it is, and whats the point of designing content that not everybody can do and is poorly tested? its just a waste of time and money, wow only 5 out of 100 people could do it. this totally wasn’t a waste of time to make. well now since at least 5 did it everybody else can do it in 2 weeks. fullproof logic
the way i understood it, was that only 5 people were able to do all the achievements.
Where do you need luck for Liadri? Please elaborate.
every part of the fight
It just seems random because you didn’t bother to learn the patterns. Literally nothing
in this fight is random and at this point i’m quite sure you just want to troll.
Dark Souls had brilliant and tight controls, GW2 has very clumsy controls.
If people have a hard time beating her, try war with healing signet and rifle + melee/shield. [endure pain][stamina regen signet][shake it off]. full berserk.
Long bow is a better fit for this fight since the 3 skill does a lot of damage and can be used while not facing her, 4 blinds, which prevents her cripple and 2 does a lot of damage too. The main damage source for rifle is volley, but for that to land you have
to face her for the full duration of the channel, which severely slows you down,
utilities you suggested are fine and imho the best traits are 15/10/0/30/15.
I had a hard time with my initial setup but after switching to those traitlines +
lb/gs for “3” evade it was a piece of cake and i did it on the second try.
Btw, food stam regen does not stack with signet of stamina so if you want to use food, use the one with pow/prec or pow/crit dmg plus sharpening stones.
It’s just a minipet and a stupid achievement.
No player is entitled to be able to complete everything in the game.
Just try for the remaining time the content is available and i’m sure
most people here will have done it by the end of this LS chapter.
If not… (mad pain skills inc!)
Retraiting is only 3s50, are you serious? And you do not need the points,
you want the points. Well, i’m afraid you have to work for achievements ,
ironic, isn’t it?
the fight is fine, l2p.
yes you might have to respecc,
and no the patterns are not random, nothing in this fight is.
the spawnpoints for adds are set, so are the aoe attacks, even in p1
and the orbs that pull you are also in set locations.
she barely does any damage, the autoattack in p1 can be avoided completely witout even dodging, and the clones move so kitten slow, that it boggles my mind how that could be a problem for anybody.
One-hit-KO, high hp, luck-based, very limited by time, constant uncounterable damage, unblockable skills = put them together and you get:
Lazy Design
The damage is easily avoided, you don’t even have to dodge.
Skills are blockable and can be dodged.
It’s not luck based since ad-spawnpoints, patterns for the one-hit ko and spawns for voidballs are in the same place every time.
QQ less
the compound bows are okay but 50g+ on the tp.
how about no.
the rest is either a tesla coil knock-off or some silly motorized blade-thingy.
and i’m pretty sure the initial pistol was black/silver, not golden/silver,
like the one available.
shame, i really wanted to get the rapier and a good looking revolver
rewards for 100% completing an area are not worth it.
I haven’t completed the story line because there dose not seem to be any reason to do so, the rewards from it are worthless.
The dungeons don’t make sense to me, they seem really random places with no reason to exist in the story. and standing around the entrance looking for a group is ridiculous.
I did the four winds bazaar thing, what a worth less update that was. We got some kind of dumb foot race, wtf.
I really do not know were to go. Were are people getting all this cool armor I keep seeing?Maybe I can try to get a cool armor set. I have no idea were this stuff comes from thogh.
One thing this game dose horrible is letting folks know what is where, and what there is for you to do. I mean I made it to lvl 80 and as far as I can tell none of the dungeons have been part of that progression at any time, they do not come up in the story either.
So any suggestions on what I spend my time doing?
I found your problem. The story isn’t about rewards, it’s about experiencing the story itself. The cool armor comes from dungeons and if you followed your level 1-30 story and read the mails you got from your herald you would know why you go there.
You can find a group easily at gw2lfg.com.
Also the minigames are ther for pure enterntainment, not grinding for rewards.
Hate to say it but gw2 might not be for you. I guess it would be wise to look for
alternatives.
Short question: how do you kill fleeing targets? I run p/d sometimes myself
but if my opponent just decides to leg it, i have nearly no way of reliably illing them before they get away into a keep or a heavily guarded area.
No, of course not. I’m terrible at racing games and jumping puzzles etc, and I managed to properly win the race, so people CAN do it.
Also, um, it’s a race. And the title is an achievement. People who ask for others to hold back so they can win have neither raced nor achieved anything, so it sort of nullifies the point.
If others who have won several times WANT to let others cross the line first, that’s an entirely different matter. That’s up to them. But really, come on people, it’s a race.
@Crovax – btw, this is coming from a lady.
To be honest, i don’t think you are talking about the same thing as me :>
Most popular and successful mmo of all time has had perma stealth since release and has kept it across 4 expansions.
I think we can end these discussions now.
While in Stealth a Rogue moves slower, unless specced for stealth speed. A Thief runs just as fast as everyone else, if specced for stealth speed he’ll be faster then anything.
A Rogue takes damage, even from a DoT, and his stealth will be broken. A Thief doesnt not exit Stealth when taking damage. Even getting downed doesnt cause a Thief to lose Stealth.
Re-stealthing for a Rogue meant leaving combat or blowing lengthy cooldowns. Restealthing for a Thief comes on abilities with no cooldown and a cost low enough to resealth everytime Revealed fades. Abilities with a cooldown are still much lower by comparison.
A Rogue has limited gapclosers, either they need to be specced for or they come with a lenghty cooldown, or both. A Thief has a multitude of gapclosers on low cooldown or no cooldown at all.
Looks like a Rogue in “the most popular MMO ever” has quite a few drawbacks a Thief does not have. So are you really sure you want to go and compare to “the most popular mMO evar”? Because that just shows how silly Stealth in GW2 is.
From what you are saying i can see that you never played a rogue. Ever.
I’m kind of tired now but should you wish so, i can disprove every single point.
Yea, just ran into a thief going stealth through reveal timer, cleansing 9 conditions and gaining full health (from 10% left) from 1 C/D, and stealthing from S/D Cloak & Dagger with NOTHING anywhere near him. Oh, and some how hitting for 8-10k through 2k toughness and 1.2k healing build?!
What the hell?! New exploit I didn’t get the memo on? Oh, and he is 1 shoting Dolyaks, as well as full toughness/healing Guardians.
Come on… why don’t I get filled in on fun exploits like this?!
amen brother, it’s really frustrating for me also to fight them
that stealth mechanism helps them cheat even more
K, thanks for the tip, now my thief can 1 shot Keep Lords too! Errr ma gad…. no-clip is pretty lame… very old school and out of style, go back to CS.
Yea, sad thing is, it was hacking. I do play thief too, trolls. Played it since release, hence I could tell something was up—like landing cloak and dagger with no target to hit. Thanks for giving a frak though. Glad the community here is so leet. Makes League of Legends looks like sunshine and unicorn farts.
Hitting a critter also counts as target for cnd.
Maybe you just didn’t see that something was there.
Also either melandru or lyssa runes cleanse all conditions,
i run them too, pretty neat. Also if he hits that hard he likely
has a low hp pool – cnd -> heal while stealthed -> full health.
A thanks. I totally missed that Ellen was up for election and the wohle part with Gnashblade. Where did you get that from? I played all of the
story instances during Dragonbash and Skypirates but that was never mentioned.
I like what Anet is doing with the world and all but the storytelling
is really lackluster.
Either this is rng or my achievements are bugged.
I have over 5k points, on the 9th i received my chest for 500ap,
today the one for 1k. Guess what, no weapon skins.
Yes, what is the problem here? There is plenty of alcohol ingame that is clearly named after real world drinks. Why does Omnomberry Juice have to be called Omnomberry Alcoholic Beverage? Or Omnomberry Wine? I don’t get what’s wrong with Omnomberry Juice as a name. They aren’t hiding the fact that it’s a drinking game, where you drink your opponent into intoxication. So again, what is the problem?
As i said the normal alcoholic beverages don’t give a boost in stats or any other
benefits.
In the story, your character doesn’t really want to do it iirc, depicting it as
a non desireable pasttime. Showing binge drinking as funny and rewarding may
conflict with the T for teen rating.
edit: My english is not that good but i think the term i am looking for is
“incentivised” (?)
btt: The hammer is called Mjolnir, the greatsword Vulcanus,
the shield Cragstone, the axe Titan’s Vengeance and the bow comes
with the same skin for short and long bow and is called
Wintersbark or Wintersbite.
Ah yes, so it’s basically the same as in spvp :/
I just fear that it will take a very long time to get 25 stacks of bloodlust
with the short bow which had it’s range nerfed to 900.
Oh and: urgh. I hate that wotc released him in a newer edition so everyone knows the name :/ I’ve been naming my characters crovax for six years and it was a reference
to the original card “crovax the cursed” from Stronghold way back in ’98
