Guild Wars 2

same feeling here.
maybe a dev will answer you with another “good catch”. lol.
are they afraid that thieves will rise in riot if they actually write down all the changes they did ?
Or maybe it was just lag …

To me the easiest way to kill a thief is when he goes into stealth. Most of the times when a thief stealths he thinks he is safe and let his guard down… I can’t see him but he is always there.
Stealth is not a teleport and if a stealthed thief uses a teleport skill his stealth will be broken.

No cap increase. Maybe they can add other things to make characters stronger (ie: daoc’s master level). I think that would be nice.

I noticed that if you do not have any target “hidden thief” stealths you and “steal” goes in full CD. If you have a target but it in not in range “steal” goes in a 5sec CD but you do not get stealthed.
Didnìt try with “bountifull thief”.

This is awesome.

future patch notes could be: “We changed something. Guess what.”
seriously I think ANet should be more accurate with that.
One can be a mistake but two unreported changes related with stealth ability… it seems that ANet didn’t want to write too much into the “Thief profession changes”.

I think traps are very good for an ambush bs build.
place needle trap+ shadow trap over a bridge or in a key point then go away (maybe under the bridge)
when traps are triggered your enemy is immobilized, poisoned, with 10stacks of vulnerability and you are teleported behind him and stealthed. At this point the thief has to press “1-2-2”.

maybe if you provide us more info we can help you to figure out something to try over changing your play style.

it is a teleport so you should not see the character fly or run to you (unless maybe a bug or some lag issue)
regarding steal it is not reported in combat log as it does no damage unless it is traited with “Mug”. this does not mean he didn’t use it.

Shadow step + steal = 2100 range (2400 if steal is traited) and it can be almost istant.

Hello, here is what I did:
a lvl 80 thief in his medium armor with no bonuses has 10805HP and 1980 defense.
Considering an opponent with exotic dagger ( ~ 952 weapon damage), 1800 power, using backstab skill ( 2.405 skill coefficient).
plain damage will be: (952*1800*2.405)/1980=2081 dmg/hit (if damage formula in the wiki and skill coefficient found in another topic on this board are correct)
so 5.2 hits are necessary to take down our poor thief.
Keeping untouched opponent’s weapon damage, power and skill coefficient I put all items+traits bonuses in vitality (that brings our thief to more or less 25k HP) and then I started to lower vitality by 10 points and increase toughness by 10 points.
Defense HP
1980,000 25005,000
1990,000 24905,000
2000,000 24805,000
2010,000 24705,000
2020,000 24605,000
2030,000 24505,000
2040,000 24405,000
2050,000 24305,000
2060,000 24205,000
2070,000 24105,000
2080,000 24005,000
2090,000 23905,000
2100,000 23805,000
2110,000 23705,000
and so on …
the chart shows number of hits needed to kill that thief.

If you want, check it.

Hope it helps.

Q: How is it possible for casual player to get access to some of the items like HW event models or even items like Dusk ?
A: With time and patience.

I don’t think this will be the last Halloween event, nor server will close in a month.

Why do you say that “the differance between 2000 to 2500 toughness protects a lot more than the differance between 2500 to 3000” ?
Can you bring us some numbers?
Up to now the only formula I found is
Damage done = (weapon damage) * Power * (skill-specific coefficient) / (target’s Armor) – from GW2 Wiki.
Armor= Defense+Toughness and there is nothing about hard or soft statistic cap.
If you have different info, please provide it.

UP. PLease go back to old crafting UI.

i experienced lag issue just once. that was terrible but after a couple of hours everything became normal (maybe I had connection problems).
And for the records you can pay your 15$ and have a crappy and laggy service as it was in WAR.

the only strange thing is the camera inclination. maybe the screenshot is taken from a downed player … but the game looks just like that.

didn’t try but maybe you can put karma items in the mystic forge.
otherwise you can use the Mystic Clover recipe (karma-skill point-mystic coin-ecto) to get tier6 materials.

does anyone have pics of those items, or at least their names?
thank you

Jnaathra.6549:

I hate to use the WoW word here.. but holiday events in WoW gave EVERYONE nice, permanent, fun, items..

i know ppl that have done wow halloween event for years (years – not 12 hours) and didn’t get the mount.
it was really funny for them!!!

morphemass.2850:

Daendur.2357:

seriously, what do you want? Everything is optional and can be acquired just playing the game…

As said, Halloween event weapons should NOT require more resources/cost than a legendary. I want fun; THAT is not fun.

Something with a unique cool skin should not require more (?) resources than another item with unique cool skin ? And I think that this is because you stated so, isn’t it ?

but I want all the cool skins with no effort and I want them now!
ANET you must be crazy asking ppl to play your game in order to obtain things!
When you put new items in the game, you must put them in every player’s mailbox so that we can come here and complain about the lack of challenges.

(/sarcasm)

seriously, what do you want? Everything is optional and can be acquired just playing the game…

i often use it, never saw anything wrong with it.

p/w got a -15%dmg
now we have a +15%dmg for 5 hits
ANet = Penelope ?

one of the easiest things to do is kill a thief in his refuge.
inside = take damage
outside = get revealed
now it is a bit different, but i’m not sure if i’ll use it.

bomber.1540:

@desert rose “lol at ppl think this is a nerf”

you are kidding right ?

my build on the test golems.. (build focusses on bs)

OLD=mug 2k, c+d 1.8k BS 15k = 18.8k
NEW=mug 2.3k, 2.07k, bs 11.5k = 15.87k

approx 18 to 19% NERF

dont care what anyone says.. these are the numbers for my build, and its most def a nerf

and then you have 2 attacks with a +15% dmg. maybe 2 hs or a c&d + bs again…

Shomaruki.7395:

[cut]Like i said, turrets track people in invis[cut]

and that must be fixed.

there is the possibility of permastealth attack. I wrote it on this forum some weeks ago but no one cared about it.
basically you hit once every 3 seconds timing c&d cast time with stealth’s fade.
this technique keeps the thief hidden and deal 2-3k every 3seconds… not really usefull but possible.

I suggested one possible anti cheese “economic” solution for all those thieves with less than 20k hp … I have 14/15k hp and 2.2k defense and I was hit for over 3k with steal.
In this scenario steal triggers instinctual response and c&d misses. Now I am a stealthed thief against a visible one that has probably triggered assassin’s signet.

I faced a lot of bad elementalists and a few good ones.
Believe me, elementalists are far away from UP. Maybe you should try something different with your traits or weapons.

I thought thieves could just do 2 2 2 2 … do you mean there are other buttons ?
That guy was definitely a cheater ’cause he had more than 1 key in his keyboard.

You asked for a viable build. I think that some utilities are better then “big numbers”. I generally play with random classes so it could happen to not have a guardian, nor a heavy armor character in group.
You should also consider that if you are dead you do no big numbers.

Hi, I think that “instinctual response” ( II of trickery ) is a great defensive anti glass cannon trait.
It can be your life saver even against an unseen c/d-steal-bs

lol@mesmer complaining about thieves.
he is definitely trolling.

if you are talking about dungeons and group pve
i’m using d/p for trash. aoe blind is awesome.
i switch to p/p for ranged boss and d/d for melee boss.
my utilities are
shadow refuge: helps a lot when someone goes down and to manage aggro.
blinding powder: same reasons as SR
haste

pve … everything is good in pve and it is so situational that you can’t do a single build for pve.

Thieves will be nerfed and then all bad thieves will reroll and all good players will find how to kill you. I know… it sucks that you will be face down in any case.

simply they didn’t touch anything. just wait

@OP: it is not 1.5 sec. It’s a lot less … you found a very bad thief if it took him 1.5sec for steal+bs.

ah ok, i didn’t understand, sorry.

Hi, i sometimes use stealth as a panic button, when immobilized and with 2-3 ppl hitting me i cast blinding powder that is an aoe blind + 4secs of stealth (with my build). I can generally wait to be able to move again, and go away or at least it gives me 1 sec to place the shadowstep gt as far as i can, than shadowstep, dodge (2s of swiftness), than stealth again (with healing skill or shadow refuge. or rarely using steal with hidden thief trait and no target).

@TheGuy: no, when you use a smoke field and HS you won’t appear when you hit. I used it tons of time. I reached lvl 80 as a D/P using Black Powder, Heartseeker, Backstab.
I think that the “leap finisher” trigs stealth when it hit, so when it is completed, and so it doen’t break stealth. Otherwise it will be a useless combo.

Burning speed 1600 dmg O_O ??
Nerf

knowledge requirements … and noobs who whant to learn the profession?
moreover if “they” can’t whine here, they’ll do into the general section.

in the end we will probably become a class capable of sometimes taking down someone in 1vs1 and group useless, like in every other mmo.

Stin, how can you have 3500 power and 60% crit ?
I am wearing berserker’s amulet+rings+earrings+weapons, valkyrie’s armor; all exotic.
I have less then 2k power. I can have another 165 from runes and 300 from traits and a little bit from food.
It will be almost 2500, that is 1000 power missing…
Critical chance is @ 46% … far away from 60.
I think i’m doing something wrong, can you please explain me how do you reach those numbers ?

thieves are vicious kittens and that’s why people complain.
But c’mon they are thieves … otherwise ANET should have done musketeers for a fair and honorable duelist.

it is fun that someone that is “trying thief just for fun” suggests to completely change a profession mechanic on which devs had spent months/years.
you have no respect for other people’s work.

it is in cooldown as are in cooldown the stealth and the teleport abilities of thieves… just deal with it.

sry guys but OP is not complaining that thieves are OP. He just asked us how to kill us.

@Turtles All The Way Down.5608: I think that the Superior Rune of Melandru has a -25%stun duration, not a -25% thieves stun duration.

exactly what ZLE said. We fight against thieves as other ppl do. I personally was insta killed by a steal-c&d-bs combo… now i’m working to find a solution to prevent that kind of death.
almost every class can instakill another glass cannon. Why only thieves are OP ?