Guild Wars 2

Nice ideas from Xsorus again..The only thing that i disagree is that you add to much cond removal,its a nice idea to remove the necessity of Empathetic Bond and the 30 points in WS traitline but it would be OP imo

But all these changes will made Rangers a very strong class and defently we dont want that..We want Ranger to have broken-useless traits-skills cause every class have a lot too and it wouldnt be fair..
Thats why it took em 7 months to fix Companions Might,its not like they are so ignorant to actually think that 1 might for 1sec on pets it would be an interesting option

It would be nice to have another skill in our comand..Moas healing,drakes blast finishers,birds swiftness etc….Right now Rangers seems random and passive..
And i think the F1 and F3 managing right now is more annoying and difficult than just managing another very important skill.
The ideal will be our pets never die,not to pull em to us and shut the 40% of our dmg..

Did Anet made you make these videos so they can reduce the qqs?

Still can easily do 2,6k+2,6k with a little crit dmg but i will agree,it moves too slow..

theres no secret plan..Anet believes that a tiny little buff can break the game but still a pretty hard nerf it wont..i remember a few patches back when they buffed spirits health pool for 25%,its was in a January-February update…Y 25%….only to realize a few months later that they have to add also another 60% to their health…And still spirits die like hell and need some more love too…
Seriously they afraid that adding little numbers in skills that are unquestionable underpowered is gonna break the game but removing big numbers from OP skills is gonna fix it..
To be fair i dont say that im not happy with the last patch..Actually i am a lot,some pets hit harder than before and i like the way we must build for pet dmg(not the old “put 30 in BM take a Jaguar and press /dance to win”)
I just say that with some things that are so underpower we cant make baby steps,im waiting since day 1 to be able to use a strong power build with LB,its not fair,still now we see the “out of range-obsctructed” bug.
These are the things that are gamebreaking not if you add 30% more dmg in LB skills(still it wont be viable)

just being harsh without facts is not a mature action..
I really want to play the new map..Still i dont expect something huge,every new map that came out in the past (Temple of the Silent Storm,Spirit Watch) even tho they had some interesting objectives they didnt changed the meta..They werent groundbreaking
Some will say a Sword/X-Greatsword Ranger had achieve this by being a build only viable in Spirit Watch and very effective in carrying the orb but everyone returned to BM Rangers eventually..Its kinda sad cause maybe strong secondary mechanics would make proffessions to take different builds and add some diversity in sPvP but i think Anet doesnt want proffessions to change builds depending on the map..They want a standar build with a different strategy i geuss
So it will be nice to play it but dont hold your breath

Well many of this things have been talked before..Some say aoe dmg reduction,some say dodge while Ranger dodges,some say remove em completly and give us the dmg back,…..theres a long list.
The fact is that Anet things that a Vitality boost will work(little by little every patch),i cant understand why this will work but i geuss that theres a plan..

Dat dmg,i didnt even know that LB can make that dmg..Thats only in Pve and WvW tho,in pvp its less than 5k most of the times..LB has some problems without a doubt but it can make a lot of dmg,thats for sure.
Im pretty sure that this thread will be ignored,to many qqers in Rangers forums

What build Konrad Quest used?

its getting a little annoying.This game doesnt seem to get a lot of diversity…As i can remember at the first days in sPvP Bunkers were OP,then they nerfed em and glass cannons become OP,then they nerfed the glass cannons,they nerfed haste and now the 90% of the builds are based on condition dmg…My main is Ranger and its even worse,we had 2 builds(traps-BM),we had some other builds the first days but they were boring (SB-QZ-111111111111)…Till day one no Ranger had manage to play competitive power Ranger..
The last patch was a nice one but still i dont want to know that this is the “biggest balance patch”..it didnt changed the meta,it fixed traits that was suppose to be fixed months ago and it only made Necros a strong class (stole the Rangers place due to the Pet nerf)

Y that GS dmg from beta was totally OP..Still i dont understand how Anet aproaches changes and nerfs..I mean why we should go up-down all the time…They brought the total dmg of GS so down that they made it a totally useless weapon only to admit a few months later that “y we must put 40% more dmg on the Maul”.
Axe off hand was meh for a long time,till they realized that a pull in Path of Scars wont be gamebreaking.
Im pretty sure that Longbow will get much better in the upcoming patches but i will ask again…WHY?WHY did it had to become so useless and then bring it up
Dont nerf so hard weapons even if they are considered OP

Ok i can barely take seriously this SOTG..Seeing Zombify standing there and demostrating his arms makes me laugh like hell..What the hell dude?Posering brawls in GW2?
Seriously dude?In GW2?In a videogame?You must talk with someone for this..

Tyler Chapman.1832:

Nice video. Demonstrations like this are very valuable when trying to build the community. Keep up the good work Jumper.

P.S. My spirit ranger build did pretty good against you (hint hint)

Can you plz share this build?
Thank you!

Burnfall.9573:

Op

In other word, only 1 build and drake pets are sufficient for the Ranger class in spvp?

(by the way, the good build)

No way,i tried this too and i liked it more
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fMAQNBhODbEoqruwSwC0OQseQI/MoWhM5eUK/fqCWlA-TsAA2CnIwRRljKDOyas1MEZlxWEA

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fMAQNBhODbEoqruwSwC0OQseQI/MoWhM5eUK/fqCWlA-TsAA2CnIwRRljKDOyas1MEZlxWEA

Well still you wont be joining teamfights,spirits die way to easy in mid but you can dominate every other fight thats happening in close or far point.
This build has a lot of survivability and very good dmg..You depend your dmg at the might stacking and your survivability in the large health pool combined with about 45% access to protection.Due to the fortyfing bond and Bountiful Hunter your pet can hit hard too..

Now the signets are pretty obvious..Singet of the Stone for panic button and Signet of the Hunt for “always use it first” button..

Signet of the hunt has a low CD and add a nice boost to your dps,combined with the might stacking you can push a lot an enemy..You probably wont burst but sometimes in low toughness foes(thiefs) you will see big numbers.The thing is that many ppl dont know it but imo Rangers are a late game class..Ranger dont depend on CDs or great combos to unload huge numbers,we dont even have huge numbers of dmg but i stronly believe that in the end a Ranger did the most dmg.(example:Sword-X Mesmers,have you ever saw a mesmer stick on a target and autohit?They barely use the autohit from the sword,they can unload like 7k dmg aoe but they need to do other stuff after that,they cant stick to a target or deliver aoe 7k every second).BM builds,they didnt have any significant burst (exept pets that can be easily avoided),they just eating you with cond little by little while the Ranger keeps regenerating.Still the game is too fast so thats why we dont have so much participation in large teamfights.

I cant decide between Rampage as One and Spirit of Nature..I lean to Spirit of Nature due to the amazing revive,still you can boost your dmg even more with the Rampage As One,more might stacking and Stability for a long time.Its just comes to the player

Why Troll Urgent instead of Healing Spring…Well many ppl think that Healing Spring is the best.I dont think so.I take Healing Spring always on low hp-healing builds..Healing Spring benefits more from Healing Power while Troll Urgent has a lower CD and doesnt benefit much from Healing Power.Its feels better even for conditions if you have large Health pool..Regen without a good healing power build seems to meh

Thanks jubskie,tho i still believe that may this build be more apropriate for the pve section,im becoming easy target and even the high life pool its kinda squishy in 1v2 situations..so i wont polish it yet,i prefer it being just food for thoughts

nagymbear.5280:

I didn’t play your build yet, but wouldn’t it be better to spend the last 5 points in BM, which gives you 25 power instead in wilderness survival to get 50% endurance regen? I guess with 26k hp you’re not squishy, but still.

Maybe you are right even tho its not only 25power,its a little pet stats with a little healing power as well…Still a little,dunno i will give a try

The pets got nerfed….y sure……whatever you say
I builded like this and ive seen 5k attack from my Jaguar and 7k from my Drake,while i do pretty decent dmg..
Now i got it why Anet nerfed pets,it would be so OP
sPvP only

Heres the build
http://intothemists.com/calc/?build=-Fo-g;1wEku-e2VDV-0;9-8a;2J-OO;104;245-05-S-F6;2AgV3HoF28BV

A lot of Might stacking…F2 Drake hurts so much

The “cheers” seems to apear a lot in what Battosai is writting..
Anyway i would like to ask em if they have any plans to add Longbow more aoe dmg,in the autohit maybe..Its a very offensive weapon to be used in other builds than Power-crit imo,but its lacking the aoe dmg that Mesmers Greatsword has for example..

Rangers are going down..Dont know how much,lets wait and see if the nerf on pets was to much or not.

I have a great example for all the QQers…..Traps…..Traps had been this way since day 1.And suddenly ppl started complaining about em at the sPvP forum…The Ranger became OP,nothing changed but noone cares now for traps enough……
Just wait and have some faith..

Gabby.3205:

JonathanSharp.7094:

Yes, we care about the forums. We also care about all the classes equally.

Please, go to Lion’s Arch and type in the map chat:
“Hey guys, what do you think about the Ranger in PvE?”

Or, better yet:
“Anybody needs a Ranger for any dungeon right now?”

The solution may seem easy for you…Just buff every skill..Make me do dmg,make me do support,take everything other classes are having and give it to Rangers…But for him is a bit more complex.Warrior stayed out of pvp matches for a long time,still tho was the king in pve..Rangers was in a very good place in pvp and in a just good place in pve.
Lets wait and see how the meta will evolve,i dont think Anet want to destroy Rangers..

Y for sPvP..i still dont have a build for pve wvwvw

Ive played some Riffle Warrior in pvp…i dont know,it felt clunky and slow motioned…..Yes i saw bigger numbers but i dont know,i didnt like it at all.Low mobility and low survivability without a way to disengage is im focused

Chopps is the man..Hes totally right,even tho i dont do a lot pve i can imagine these with some changes works in pvp as well

Btw heres the build ive been running now and im melting ppls faces in pvp..
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fMAQNAT8XjEV91VW6Vs2Bg1j9CsvWhMZPUkxFPZFVRF-TgAg0CnIwRhjDHDOSqsUB

The things is that frost trap-Axe4-LB4 synergize so well…You can have a lot of control in the enemy…And with the Bear i dont worry to unload every cond i have with the Signet…
@Chokolata
Man,cheer up its not that bad…Try new staff dont reject em just because didnt work in the past.It takes only one small change to make a build viable

Belfast Bad Boy.8294:

Please tell me how to play ranger? I want to play ranger. I have spent twice as much time playing ranger as my three other lvl 80’s combined. I now mostly play warrior. It’s just more fun!

Just play Warrior dude…

Im happy too
Exept from Pets there wasnt any other nerf…

i have to say ive been playing a power build and i feel fine…Lets see
LB – Sword Axe
Healing spring
Signet of Renewal
Lightning Releflexes
Frost trap
Rampage as One
Black Bear-Wolf as pets..Bears can stand the condition removal from Signet of Renewal
Axe 4 with frost trap makes a great combo for landing Axe 5
And you can build great distance with LB 4 and Lightning Reflexes
Zerker Gear and GG

For pvp

Y i know,everything is bleak..Anet failled you again.Still i wonder why tho…Where does all this hatred comes from?Why Anet hate Rangers?

I personally believe that they arent..Just spend some time testing things,im pretty sure that they have tested too.
Im a realistic guy,i cant believe that they just nerfed to the ground pets just because some low skill players said so
I strongly believe that they test it and found something that we havent yet..

i cant see the cond dmg pets are doing…

Things will settle down..and as the meta evolves everyone will adapt…..

hmmmm…nerfed pets……….i dont care these changes are awesome.For some reason i see that Sword does more dmg now.Is there a stealth nerf?

Maybe you are right..Maybe puting some points in BM for Rending attacks will work better…The fact is that the Ranger loses the great Empathetic Bond,its essential for pvp…oh didnt i mentioned it?this is for pvp

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fMAQJATVjEVF2JWCWs2Bg1DCBcw2DKlETWhEz4lMaFB-TgAg0CnIQShkDJDSSksIB

The idea is to stack might on pets improving their power but also their condition dmg..
Lets see….How many cond boosting the pet has?
1.Might stacking from Companions might
2.SB 4 for extra bleeds
3.Malicious Training
4.Expertise Training

And a Ranger hitting with full zerker gear..
Not bad at all i think…

ive been telling this since the leaked patch notes came out…This kind of nerf is probably right..With the new companions might in every crit 5 secs of might in pets combined with another 2-3 traits you can stack a lot of mights on pet..something that you couldnt do before…If the dmg stayed as it was this would become too much…also take in mind that every pet does some cond dmg..might boost condition dmg as well..it would be tough for Jaguar to Crit for 5k and bleed for 100 dmg per tick..even if the jaguar wasnt nerfed so much and it did 4k instead still the 100 dmg per tick will destroy the player…Anet i think is trying to remove whatever burst came out from pets and put it to rangers,it wasnt much,never stated that we are a burst specialized class but still this small amount is better to be made by Ranger so you can control it better

not only immobilize and pull,but also push again…also if the target has stability we steal it just when we put our fingers on the keyboard button..if he has aegis we do 200% more dmg and ofc we steal it too

Ppl just leave if you dont like where things are going..stop complaining.
stop trying to convice us that Anet has a secret hate against Rangers.They worked like years to create this class,to create this game and they kept working in it just because they have some kind of phycoligical issues to torment others…The Anet hates Rangers and universe hates you for choosing Ranger at a game…..Y sure

Nice calculations but still can LB>SB..Beyond the calculations theres the real combat that has to many varietys.Calculations and numbers can be helpfull but again in real combat lets say an enemy comes at you with a gap closer skill that you can interupt,he reaches you and makes an small aoe around him even tho you interupt his first attack with SB 5 and move away with SB 3..Well you are downed and you lose a lot of dps….If you had a LB equiped you could push him away with LB 4 and not die which means you will do more dmg in the end of the fight….
The example is not accurate i just want to explain that the dmg in the end of the day is what matters,not the dmg on a dummy..

Terkov.4138:

Aylpse.6280:

Rangers aren’t getting buffed. Every other class is. If you consider the LB a buff, you are a fool. Arrows fly a little bit faster.. woo… so helpful on a class without a viable power build.

BUT! My “LB spirits and bear” build will at long last be top dungeon spec! And they said I was bad! HA!

They also reduced aftercast on 1. from 5. to .25s, that means ~20% dps boost on spamming 1.

@topic: what 50%?! ONE skill got 50% nerf, others were less, so don’t try to behave like journalist.

+1….
its like “the virus is spreading and its been killing hunderd of ppl”…..it had killed 100 ppl since 1800

Im a little confused tho with these numbers,it is state that Calling lightning dmg is increased for 150%,and im thinking that if it does 1000 dmg a 150% increase will do 2500..but someone said to me that actually it does 1500.So a 50% decrease in a 4000 would be 2000 or 3500?

From now i can imagine 2-3 builds for testing(if the patch notes are true)

1.Power Ranger with Sword/Axe – Longbow..The pull – push troll will be awesome.Im gonna be like “come over here”(in Scorpions voice) with Axe4 then im gonna be like “gtfo”(with my regular voice) with Longbows 4.Also the Beastmasters might will be good with the low CD Signet Of the Hunt,with JungleStalker will make a good combo

2.A support Ranger with the new trait,shouts and some spirits…Maybe a constant regen-swiftness to the group build

As i say to everyone in these forums,relax..We havent tested anything.Lets test some builds and some traits first and then talk…Noone can predict the future,its a fact..Also ive seen trapp builds come and go from the meta and not a single change has happened to it.Its not only about Rangers but other professions too…

It happens everywhere,ppl cant accept that they lost a fight cause they were bad,they will come with excuses and rage…
Someone is showing them the moon and they stare at the finger…

nagymbear.5280:

Another thing I noticed, some of the reductions on burst pets like birds and felines were skills that apply a few stacks of bleeds. So it would make sense that these deal less direct damage… if pets get a ninja buff to their condition damage that is.

Also with the new companions might we will be able to stack some mights to the pets that also increase cond dmg,not only power..

nagymbear.5280:

Bran.7425:

With the general state of discontent on this sub-forum I doubt we will see a developer here for some time.

Trust me, they are reading this. They won’t comment here though. Its hardly a strange coincidence that the patch notes were leaked so that players can discuss it all during the weekend.

So how about giving some constructive feedbeck on these “leaked” patch notes.
Like how about Natures voice doesn’t give 10 secs of swiftness, but 5 secs of vigor. Or gives 10 sec of vigor, but guard cooldown is raised to 20s. Rangers never had much access to protection/retal in the first place, but vigor fits Rangers well.
Or how about eagle eye raising shortbow range as well.

I would also remind everyone that the devs are listening to us to an extent. Evasive purity was moved 1 tier down, path of scars does pull targets now, spirit traits were merged, they shortened the longbow aftercast, and raised projectile speed as well, they fixed Companion’s might. We were moaning about how pigenholed we are (other classes were as well mind you) into 1-2 viable builds. Of course its not all amazing, but there are changes that were necessary, and that we asked for. Some we didn’t get, like the buff to longbow that everyone wanted, but lets test longbow first. Maybe – and its a massive maybe – this 15% projectile speed increase will solve a lot of out of range/missed problems we were having with it.

+1

Durzlla.6295:

I was liking everything i read, and then i got to the pet part… i mean god i hope these are fake because those are some pretty huge numbers on nerfing the pets and i don’t feel they really gave us compensation…

I worried that you would never show..Patch notes are awesome,arent they?Im also a bit concerned about the huge numbers in pets nerf but i would suggest to wait and see..If they are real lets test some builds and make an conclusion at the end
Cheers

in Rangers forum things are bad..They talk about the end of the BM Ranger and even the Ranger at all….i still believe that even with these (kinda big) nerfs BM Rangers will dominate in 1v1,as they do now.Just that youll have to put more effort and more trait help..

Have anyone test the new nerfed pets?Have someone lost a battle than wouldnt be lost before the nerf?Well i geussed so…
Noone can read the future so stop assuming..

Xsorus,you are a good player..i think you overreacting tho.Pets will be nerfed….Lets test it first,let us test other builds too and then we can rage at the devs….Its not that i have faith in Anet,its just a game,i just want to be some hard,solid facts before i start throwing s(H)its to someone…

It alls comes down to personal choices..You dont know how the meta will evolve since we are just geussing now..You can stop playing Ranger,i wont.I wont cause i really like to test a support build,i really want to test Longbow,i really want to test Axe 4,i really want to test new traits,i really want to test spirits…All these things were bad for a long time…
Pets getting nerf?I can live with dat

Xsorus.2507:

Dardamaniac.1295:

Xsorus.2507:

Dardamaniac.1295:

Aeris speak the truth..Ive been screaming since leaked patch notes came out…Take Companions Might with a crit chance build…With RaO,with Sword 1 you will be able to put 15+ stack of might to your pet easily….

No…Aeri doesn’t speak the truth, You can stack 15 mights on your pet all your want (Hell you can stack 25 incredibly easy right now without companions might) and it will not remotely come close to the damage loss from the pet nerfs..

The fact that you think it does makes me sad for rangers

I wonder…Why not…?Why you assume that 15 might of stacks worth kitten? 25 might stacking was only possible when you used RaO.

and 25 stacks will still be only possible with RaO, and all it took was gutting the damage in the first place.

Actually if you want to be fair Jaguar did a crazy amount of dmg for little effort,and for little traiting.put 30 points in BM,press F2 and use every dodge you have…Yes thats not OP,most skillfull players can avoid this but in combat between a low Ranger and a low whatever,Ranger always wins cause pet does dmg without sacrifising any survivability.Its a fact that you can go hypertanky and pet do a lot of dmg,good players will still do dmg now believe me