Guild Wars 2

zombyturtle, you do not make yourself different by calling new player Noob. I am a little new but i will not answer your thread until you remove that word. Suggestion; no new player like to be call noob; think next before using that word. Noob is a bad word for us new player because it push us away and make us feel worthless and make us feel shame for being new.

You do not know how many time i log out when i first start because of some other player calling me noob. They call me less now but sometime i am scared to play because if i make mistake or learn slow; they are ready to call me that word. Again, be careful for using that word especially if you want out attention.

Example; you do not ask people who do have little sufficient or with no sufficient to live; question and opinion by calling them poor and worthless people.

In return; they will look at you like other who look at them down and treat them bad.

http://www.mmobomb.com/news/ncsofts-q4-financials-paint-rosy-picture/

If it take only 1 skill to use to do very high damage with low cool down; there is problem. What is point to have the other skill in skill bar? I do not understand why arena net design this game like that because other mmo company do not do that for their game.

I know, ‘why do not play other mmo game than’? I do more now!

Dhemize.8649:

Remove people from the game and let the golems play in peace. It’s better that way.

Very funny response.

choovanski.5462:

GhOst.4019:

I have posted suggestions and my thread got locked within 30 min… So again..Here is a fantastic suggestion coming at you via Paint.

are you really this dumb? do you not think anything though at all?
anyone will a brain looking at your post, and the posts of every other fool asking for a jumping puzzle will realise the same thing: you would just get bored of the jumping puzzle in two days, probably even less time. i doubt you would still be amused by doing the same jumping puzzle again and again, but i don’t doubt you would come back onto the forums and complain about it.

to all of you who are bored with guild wars 2… uh, just stop playing if it’s making you bored and mad. there are games i own like age of empires 2 that make me absoulutely bored out of my skull for the whole time i play them, but guess what crazy action i took? yeah, you guessed it- not playing it at all.

choovanski; you should give ghost credit for make effort in write suggestion. Ghost show your problem and you ignore it or did not see it. The problem is; player are make effort in give suggestion and try best to make game fun but arena net still ignore problem. You can not blame player for saying game is bored, if they tried already make game fun. And each time they tried make game fun; arena net ignore them.

I do not say every suggestion player give; arena net take but if they give suggestion to make game fun, make it happen. Why is it hard for player to make suggestion to make game fun? One player want fight to be long, one player want damage to be reduce, one player want more support role than zerker role only etc; and more. How is these suggestion not want fun in game?

Did you know, some people leave relationship-marriage because of bored?. Because they make every effort and try every everything to make their marriage fun and their partner just keep ignore them. So they complaint; get mad and yell sometime to hope partner will listen and make effort to make relationship fun but same thing; continue ignore.

Like example; it is not easy to leave relationship because you put so many effort and try best to make relationship fun but after so much; you use little strength and leave.

Ignore will not fix problem, ignore will not make problem go away, pretend there is no problem will make problem only grow faster, more ignore will make problem so worse; when finally want to listen, when you finally want to find solution; you are alone- everyone leave, everything die.

So sad for Guild Wars 2

briggah.7910:

DarkSyze.8627:

briggah.7910:

DarkSyze.8627:

briggah.7910:

Take all the WvW guilds and then compare those with guilds that actually do GvG. There are a lot more WvW guilds than GvG guilds I would bet.. How long does fighting the same guilds over and over again go on before it becomes stale and boring.. How many actually GvG fights will you get in a day since most Guilds have different time zones and play at different times. You will still only be able to enter this GvG mode that you guys want when the other guild agrees on a time and can actually get people to go there.. I read forums. I watch GvG get canceled because the driver has a belly ache and cant make it.

The biggest problem going by what players talk about on these forums is population problems.. Making another game mode or even a spot for you all to run into each other will help kill off WvW even more.. So after you guys help kill WvW even more by pulling more people out of WvW. Your GvG mode be the next game mode to die off when you fight every guild that considers themselves a GvG guild over and over and over and over again.

So if your GvG map or mode that you want will help FIX population problems then I’m all for it.. If this GvG map or mode will take more players away from WvW then I’m not for it..

Guild vs Guild is your guild play against other guild; not server vs server; wvw, not pvp vs pvp.

many player do not play wvw; are you going to blame pvp? many player do not play pve; are you going to blame wvw? many player play pvp; are you going to blame pve and wvw? I research Guild Wars 2 have gvg; did gvg take away more player from pve and pvp?

Every player log in game have Choice to chose what game mode want play; arena net do not Force you chose and there is no 1 game mode in Guild Wars 2.

Example; more people take car to work; are you going blame train, bus for take away people? If there was only take car for work and no choice to chose train, bus than it is car for blame. It is not hard to understand; very easy.

Where did all these GvG guilds come from? Were they not created for WvW or started in WvW? They were started in wvw and now you guys want your own spot not in WvW.. I don’t know many pve/pvp guilds that have turned into GvG guilds. I know way more guilds that consider themselves a WvW guild than I do that actually consider themselves a GvG guild.. You guys are very very small compared to every other game mode already in this game.. Point is anet said they are not going to support your type of game mode. So you have 2 solutions

First solution: Keep making posts about not having a GvG mode. You guys are the smallest population out of every game mode and are starting to turn into the biggest QQ’ers on these forums.. This solution will only make you look sour..

Second solution: Keep gathering the way you have been and continue to keep your made up game mode thriving.. Keep doing what you are doing cause you seem to be having fun doing that.. This is the solution you should take.

Most will do the first solution..

so gvg is smallest population? so let me use example; so just because small people take bus and train to work; take it away from them? because they do not take car like other more people to work? so just because small people take bus and train to work; they have to be punish for not have car? If that were happen; what would happen to economy? what would happen to transportation? what would happen to financial market? so just because gvp is small population; take away privilege from them? so just because gvg is small population; take away choice from them? so just because gvg is small population; take way their value? If that is arena net model for Guild Wars 2, If that is arena net vision for Guild Wars 2; good luck.

Too bad this is a game.. I can point out a tons of ways how LIFE is not fair for some people. I’m talking about this game not how many people take a bus to and from work. So its not fair that anet won’t give you a spot to have 25vs25 death matches? Guess what LIFE isn’t fair so that is just part of life. You can move on and try to make something out of your life or you can constantly QQ because you feel it is unfair..

Life Give You Choice

Do Life Take Away Life From You Just Because Other Have More Choice in LifeThan You? No!
Do Life Take Away Food From You Just Because Other Have More Food Than You? No!
Do Life Take Away Water Form You Just Because Other Have More Water Than You? No!
Do Life Take Away Shelter From You Just Because Other Have More Shelter Than You? No!
Do Life Take Away Strength From You Just Because Other Have More Strength Than You? No!

briggah.7910:

DarkSyze.8627:

briggah.7910:

Take all the WvW guilds and then compare those with guilds that actually do GvG. There are a lot more WvW guilds than GvG guilds I would bet.. How long does fighting the same guilds over and over again go on before it becomes stale and boring.. How many actually GvG fights will you get in a day since most Guilds have different time zones and play at different times. You will still only be able to enter this GvG mode that you guys want when the other guild agrees on a time and can actually get people to go there.. I read forums. I watch GvG get canceled because the driver has a belly ache and cant make it.

The biggest problem going by what players talk about on these forums is population problems.. Making another game mode or even a spot for you all to run into each other will help kill off WvW even more.. So after you guys help kill WvW even more by pulling more people out of WvW. Your GvG mode be the next game mode to die off when you fight every guild that considers themselves a GvG guild over and over and over and over again.

So if your GvG map or mode that you want will help FIX population problems then I’m all for it.. If this GvG map or mode will take more players away from WvW then I’m not for it..

Guild vs Guild is your guild play against other guild; not server vs server; wvw, not pvp vs pvp.

many player do not play wvw; are you going to blame pvp? many player do not play pve; are you going to blame wvw? many player play pvp; are you going to blame pve and wvw? I research Guild Wars 2 have gvg; did gvg take away more player from pve and pvp?

Every player log in game have Choice to chose what game mode want play; arena net do not Force you chose and there is no 1 game mode in Guild Wars 2.

Example; more people take car to work; are you going blame train, bus for take away people? If there was only take car for work and no choice to chose train, bus than it is car for blame. It is not hard to understand; very easy.

Where did all these GvG guilds come from? Were they not created for WvW or started in WvW? They were started in wvw and now you guys want your own spot not in WvW.. I don’t know many pve/pvp guilds that have turned into GvG guilds. I know way more guilds that consider themselves a WvW guild than I do that actually consider themselves a GvG guild.. You guys are very very small compared to every other game mode already in this game.. Point is anet said they are not going to support your type of game mode. So you have 2 solutions

First solution: Keep making posts about not having a GvG mode. You guys are the smallest population out of every game mode and are starting to turn into the biggest QQ’ers on these forums.. This solution will only make you look sour..

Second solution: Keep gathering the way you have been and continue to keep your made up game mode thriving.. Keep doing what you are doing cause you seem to be having fun doing that.. This is the solution you should take.

Most will do the first solution..

so gvg is smallest population? so let me use example; so just because small people take bus and train to work; take it away from them? because they do not take car like other more people to work? so just because small people take bus and train to work; they have to be punish for not have car? If that were happen; what would happen to economy? what would happen to transportation? what would happen to financial market? so just because gvg is small population; take away privilege from them? so just because gvg is small population; take away choice from them? so just because gvg is small population; take way their value? If that is arena net model for Guild Wars 2, If that is arena net vision for Guild Wars 2; good luck.

(By the way… there is something call- small business).

briggah.7910:

Take all the WvW guilds and then compare those with guilds that actually do GvG. There are a lot more WvW guilds than GvG guilds I would bet.. How long does fighting the same guilds over and over again go on before it becomes stale and boring.. How many actually GvG fights will you get in a day since most Guilds have different time zones and play at different times. You will still only be able to enter this GvG mode that you guys want when the other guild agrees on a time and can actually get people to go there.. I read forums. I watch GvG get canceled because the driver has a belly ache and cant make it.

The biggest problem going by what players talk about on these forums is population problems.. Making another game mode or even a spot for you all to run into each other will help kill off WvW even more.. So after you guys help kill WvW even more by pulling more people out of WvW. Your GvG mode be the next game mode to die off when you fight every guild that considers themselves a GvG guild over and over and over and over again.

So if your GvG map or mode that you want will help FIX population problems then I’m all for it.. If this GvG map or mode will take more players away from WvW then I’m not for it..

Guild vs Guild is your guild play against other guild; not server vs server; wvw, not pvp vs pvp.

many player do not play wvw; are you going to blame pvp? many player do not play pve; are you going to blame wvw? many player play pvp; are you going to blame pve and wvw? I research Guild Wars 2 have gvg; did gvg take away more player from pve and pvp?

Every player log in game have Choice to chose what game mode want play; arena net do not Force you chose play game mode; there is no 1 game mode in Guild Wars 2.

Example; more people take car to work; are you going blame train, bus for take away people? If there was only take car for work and no choice to chose train, bus than it is car for blame. It is not hard to understand; very easy.

If player want play pvp, pve, wvw and gvg game mode, it is their choice; not blame other game mode or other player or arena net for not taking away players

When company give player choice is good; in return…company grow and player base grow. When company take away choice from player, player base leave and company life cut short

SuzukiMethod.4732:

If they continue to ignore it, it will go away on its own.

ignore problems never go away player will find solution somewhere else. Guild Wars 2 is not only free mmo game, also if it take player to pay for mmo game for solution; they will pay.

SYPHA.9283:

Elitist.8701:

Seriously Anet..

I still play this game because I have no life. The hours that I still play I spend 1/3-1/2 of my time sitting in the mists doing nothing. Theres nothing to do in the mists, no games or activities in that incredibly large empty space. I wanna do something else but then I’d leave Queue and then what do I do? WvW? That stuff is lame man. I get a Q pop after 7-8 minutes usually. I go into game. Great we have double thief so I have to switch. I go Engi, I kill people, we win. Hooray?

I feel like there’s nothing left for me in this game anymore. Waiting for a Q is incredibly boring, I used to be able to get map completion for my legendary, not anymore. Now Ill never get a legendary. I just sit in the mists looking at the TP. I dont really have that many in game friends/teammates anymore, they’ve all ditched me to play with others and im not sure why. Not because im bad, but apparently some people are “a little better”.Whatever. I used to troll dueling arenas for fun, but I got banned from all of them. I used to enjoy the KOTH server, but thats dead because nobody wants to go in cuz they’re waiting for a Q pop.

Anet killed their own game. I really don’t understand how people still play PvP, and that includes me. I feel like its a chore, not for fun anymore. Unless something really changes I think im packing up my bags and going to Smite.

#dedgaem

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I’ve read quite a few of your posts and you keep saying the same ole crap.

Leave already. Or are you waiting for someone to beg you not to, or show you some attn. ?

Why do Elitist critic opinion bother you? Maybe Elitist should give suggestion how to make pvp not boring?

Example; if you give critic opinion about work and school, should you leave; quit? I do not understand why you think give critic opinion mean “leave already”? Elitist, you, me and others is free to give critic opinion in arena net; forum, as long respect forum rule.

If you do not like others to give critic opinion; arena net give you freedom to not reply to them; very simple.

Coronit.9432:

Zero Day.2594:

Necrotize.2974:

Jana.6831:

Necrotize.2974:

Why not just nerf and buff wildly in both directions and hope it works out.

Isn’t that what’s already happening?

Maybe it just needs to happen more until we hit that sweet spot? Just go into the damage modifiers for all the skills and randomly add in "0"’s and “.”’s making some skills hit like wet noodles and others hit like wet noodles filled with cement.

Well, if skills 1 and 2 hit like a wet noodle while skills 3 and 4 hit like a wet noodle with cement and lastly skill five hits like half a wet cement noodle…. We will have balance!

:D I feel like I should be on the balancing team! My noodle skills seem sharp.

Please no noodle skill…
Noodle-skill
Be aware of the muscles our thieves will get and the QQ following because of that.

you make good joke and i find video funny; i laugh. But after laugh; problem is still here. Again, there is nothing wrong to be funny; it is wrong to pretend thief class have no problem. Arena net need to take thief class problem serious to make game fun and challenge; expansion is not answer, serious action is answer.

Laugh and joke will not fix anything but make problem worse. Seriousness is solution for problem; not joke; 1 more year-2015 of joke is not ok and will make game worse and will make more player find other game company who take game and problem serious. No More; 1 more Year of thief problem!!!

Bertrand.3057:

DarkSyze.8627:

Build is not problem; trait is; did you forget; you can not get full build before unlock and reach 80 level? I am still low level and do not have full build and i do good damage because i trait critic, increase damage.

You are fighting much more experienced and fully-kitted players using a character with inferior level and gear, and you refuse advice offered to you by more experienced players. I’m not sure why you expect an outcome apart from being destroyed instantly.

Getting to level 80 and getting a full set of exotic gear is easy, stop trying to get the game changed just because you are so obstinate.

“Please nerf level 80 characters and exotic gear”
Signed,
Level 40 character with fine gear

If you ask, i would tell you; i am 78 level and also i play spvp and wvw. Spvp; no need for 80 level; that is where i get alot of training. When i write; i make sure i experience spvp, not only wvw

Spvp is access to all player who want training and experience with automatic 80 level with complete traits. Also spvp give full access to superior gear; sigil, rune, weapon and accesories.

Spvp is no huge different with wvw

I understand what you write. Wining server have alot of Omega Golem because they have alot of money and alot of player compare to the other losing server with less money and less player. I feel it is not ok to ask to nerf Omega Golem because of that. Arena net make possible for Omega Golem blueprint be access to all player and server in trading post and in drop. Cost 2 gold 17 silver and 15> http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Omega_Siege_Golem_Blueprints

For server to have alot of omega golem, they need alot of player to use. So problem is not omega golem but server population. (a server can be very rich than all other server to buy omega blueprint; if they do not have player to use them, mean nothing)

I have suggestion;

1. Suggestion- maybe arena net can limit how many Omega golem when fight losing server and against keep ? also same suggestion with fight less player in server in wvw?

2. Suggestion- maybe arena net can limit omega golem power when fight losing server and with less player in server in keep?

May make fun and challenge?

coglin.1867:

DarkSyze.8627:

Player who report problems; that is what i mean.

What problem might that be? Just because certain players claim something is a problem, doesn’t make it the case.

DarkSyze.8627:

You say every profession can instant kill; evidence with record video. Also, builds are not instant kill; traits is; without traits, no build. Example; A power ranger is from build from traits, a burst thief is from traits, a burst elementalist is from traits, a power necromancer is with traits. Look at thief traits; http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/List_of_thief_traits what do you see wrong with it? Thief also have a lot of stealth from traits; shadow arts. Look at elementalist traits; http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/List_of_elementalist_traits what do you see wrong with it? Look at engineer traits; http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/List_of_engineer_traitswhat do you see wrong with it?

Video evidence has already been posted. As well you seem confused. Build means traits.

Build is not problem; trait is; did you forget; you can not get full build before unlock and reach 80 level? I am still low level and do not have full build and i do good damage because i trait critic, increase damage.

As well you seem confused. Build means traits.

So what, your built for pure damage then complain that you do alot of damage, and die quickly? That is an irrational complaint, it is precisely what is to be expected.[/quote]

irrational complaint? Can you read? Read again; i am low level and my damage is joke to instant kill class; warrior, thief and elementalist. Do you know what class i play? ;do research.

Seem confuse? Again, Build is not Traits; 2 different word and 2 different deffinition.

Evidence> http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Build

“Build can refer to:

1. The combination of profession, skills, traits, and equipment that a character uses.
2. Using supply to construct siege weapons in World versus World.
3. The client software version, as noted in Game updates.

Evidence Traits> http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Trait

1. “Traits are passive abilities that can enhance a character’s skills, provide bonuses to damage and attributes, and modify their actions”.

Is arenet; wiki seem confuse too?

coglin.1867:

DarkSyze.8627:

When this old problem is fix including instant kill class. https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/The-thief-and-its-gameplay-Your-feedback-Merged/first

Expansion should be about fix player problem and game problem than have fun; not ignore player problem and game problem and have fun. Do not make sense

There is no such thing as “insta kill” professions. There are only insta kill builds, and every single profession can do it.

Define “player problems” in this case? Your complaint is a bit obscure, and unspecific. That makes it difficult to discern your complaint, much less address it.

Player who report problems; that is what i mean. You say every profession can instant kill; evidence with record video. Also, builds are not instant kill; traits is; without traits, no build. Example; A power ranger is from build from traits, a burst thief is from traits, a burst elementalist is from traits, a power necromancer is with traits. Look at thief traits; http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/List_of_thief_traits what do you see wrong with it? Thief also have a lot of stealth from traits; shadow arts. Look at elementalist traits; http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/List_of_elementalist_traits what do you see wrong with it? Look at engineer traits; http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/List_of_engineer_traitswhat do you see wrong with it?

Build is not problem; trait is; did you forget; you can not get full build before unlock and reach 80 level? I am still low level and do not have full build and i do good damage because i trait critic, increase damage.

When this old problem is fix including instant kill class. https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/The-thief-and-its-gameplay-Your-feedback-Merged/first

Expansion should be about fix player problem and game problem than have fun; not ignore player problem and game problem and have fun. Do not make sense

Zero Day.2594:

:/ The OP also forgot to mention somewhere in the end for those that don’t like stealth to please wait, there will be nerfs.

Zero Day; you know there will not be nerfs until arena net is serious about make thief challenge class. Look example; 2 year; so many player tell arena net problem about thief and here is result; thief is still problem. Example; if car always have same problem when take to car mechanic; do you not have reason to complain and not be happy?

alchemyst; More same old complaint add to 2 year old complain thread https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/The-thief-and-its-gameplay-Your-feedback-Merged/first about thief class not be challenge class. That is why i spend now more time play with other mmo game. I am 1 month+couple day with guild wars 2 and i feel waste time.

When arena net is serious to make thief class with other not challenge class challenge; i will spend more time with game; wvw,spvp. If game company do not want to work with player; player feel waste time and spend more and all time with other game company who work with player to fix problem and make game better and fun.

I do not think player need ask game company to visit game world. If player complain of problem in game world; it is game company responsible to investigate and fix problem. I am 1 month+ in game; i do research and investigate to find same problem for long time. It is very sad when i read see player like begg game company; arena net to fix problem. Game Company should work together with player; not ignore and have player beg them to fix their game.

that is good change arena net; Gaile

DeceiverX.8361:

DarkSyze.8627:

Sir Vincent III.1286:

DarkSyze.8627:

yolo swaggins.2570:

DarkSyze.8627:

So you are say thief can not spam? i can show many evidence of thief spam from other thief player. I experience thief spam every time i go to wvw and spvp; so what you say, i do not know what spam is? Initiative is not excuse for thief class; every class should have same punishment and same consequence when not play good; no excuse.

This is why nobody is taking you seriously:

You say “evidence” and then say it should be nerfed due to said evidence, but you do not show any evidence that you’ve played thief to the extent we have. Focusing on a small part of the thief’s issues without factoring in the other problems that are keeping the original problems from being solved shows that you are ignorant to all of the problems revolving around thief. It shows that you do not play thief and have no clue what you are talking about.

And if you had ANY idea what you were talking about, you’de know that no amount of vid and thread spamming will change it or our minds. Deal with it and git gud or don’t and git out.

Example; do you have to be in hospital to be sick? So because i do not play thief class; i do not know what thief class is? I am ignorant for not play thief class? so you say same as example; because you are not in hospital; you are ignorant? It do not make sense.

That’s a horrible analogy.

Just because you’re a die hard NASCAR fan and have seen all the races, you still remain ignorant of what’s happening behind the wheel.

Those drivers, just as those Thieves, make what they do look easy.

I stand by my analogy; i am not ignorant. Ignorant mean- “lack of knowledge and training” ; http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/ignorant What lack of knowledge i have; i experience thieves all time in wvw and spvp. I have thieves in party, guild and server; zerg. Last; lack of training; i experience thieves in spvp; training game mode. It make no sense what you say about me be ignorant.

I experience and know what stealth is; arena net did not invent stealth! arena net did not invent thief class, arena net did not invent mobility, teleport, evasion, dodge and critic damage. You think i am new to mmo game; ask me before you call me ignorant; not hard; very easy.

So again, just because i do not play thief class, it do not make me or any not thief player ignorant.

Suggestion; You need to be careful of using that word; adjective word of ignorant is stupid, idiot, imbecile. It can get you in serious trouble.

You really don’t know stealth at all.

In the game I come from, stealth on the assassin was free to cast and had a permanent duration, and the class when built right could one-shot literally anything and everything in the game. This same class had access to 40+ straight seconds of hard CC and area denial skills to prevent people from escaping.

Thing was, it was still fair in high tier play.

Stealth is very far from the same in every game, and clearly you do not have experience to understand the difficulty.

I look forward to seeing you in NASCAR as someone mentioned above

You too. You are ok now

Sir Vincent III.1286:

DarkSyze.8627:

yolo swaggins.2570:

DarkSyze.8627:

So you are say thief can not spam? i can show many evidence of thief spam from other thief player. I experience thief spam every time i go to wvw and spvp; so what you say, i do not know what spam is? Initiative is not excuse for thief class; every class should have same punishment and same consequence when not play good; no excuse.

This is why nobody is taking you seriously:

You say “evidence” and then say it should be nerfed due to said evidence, but you do not show any evidence that you’ve played thief to the extent we have. Focusing on a small part of the thief’s issues without factoring in the other problems that are keeping the original problems from being solved shows that you are ignorant to all of the problems revolving around thief. It shows that you do not play thief and have no clue what you are talking about.

And if you had ANY idea what you were talking about, you’de know that no amount of vid and thread spamming will change it or our minds. Deal with it and git gud or don’t and git out.

Example; do you have to be in hospital to be sick? So because i do not play thief class; i do not know what thief class is? I am ignorant for not play thief class? so you say same as example; because you are not in hospital; you are ignorant? It do not make sense.

That’s a horrible analogy.

Just because you’re a die hard NASCAR fan and have seen all the races, you still remain ignorant of what’s happening behind the wheel.

Those drivers, just as those Thieves, make what they do look easy.

I stand by my analogy; i am not ignorant. Ignorant mean- “lack of knowledge and training” ; http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/ignorant What lack of knowledge i have; i experience thieves all time in wvw and spvp. I have thieves in party, guild and server; zerg. Last; lack of training; i experience thieves in spvp; training game mode. It make no sense what you say about me be ignorant.

I experience and know what stealth is; arena net did not invent stealth! arena net did not invent thief class, arena net did not invent mobility, teleport, evasion, dodge and critic damage. You think i am new to mmo game; ask me before you call me ignorant; not hard; very easy.

So again, just because i do not play thief class, it do not make me or any not thief player ignorant.

Suggestion; You need to be careful of using that word; adjective word of ignorant is stupid, idiot, imbecile. It can get you in serious trouble.

Sir Vincent III.1286:

DarkSyze.8627:

yolo swaggins.2570:

DarkSyze.8627:

So you are say thief can not spam? i can show many evidence of thief spam from other thief player. I experience thief spam every time i go to wvw and spvp; so what you say, i do not know what spam is? Initiative is not excuse for thief class; every class should have same punishment and same consequence when not play good; no excuse.

This is why nobody is taking you seriously:

You say “evidence” and then say it should be nerfed due to said evidence, but you do not show any evidence that you’ve played thief to the extent we have. Focusing on a small part of the thief’s issues without factoring in the other problems that are keeping the original problems from being solved shows that you are ignorant to all of the problems revolving around thief. It shows that you do not play thief and have no clue what you are talking about.

And if you had ANY idea what you were talking about, you’de know that no amount of vid and thread spamming will change it or our minds. Deal with it and git gud or don’t and git out.

Example; do you have to be in hospital to be sick? So because i do not play thief class; i do not know what thief class is? I am ignorant for not play thief class? so you say same as example; because you are not in hospital; you are ignorant? It do not make sense.

That’s a horrible analogy.

Just because you’re a die hard NASCAR fan and have seen all the races, you still remain ignorant of what’s happening behind the wheel.

Those drivers, just as those Thieves, make what they do look easy.

I stand by my analogy; i am not ignorant. Ignorant mean- “lack of knowledge and training” ; http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/ignorant What lack of knowledge i have; i experience them all time in wvw and spvp. Last; lack of training; i experience thieves in spvp; training game mode. It make no sense what you say about me be ignorant.

I experience and know what stealth is; arena net did not invent stealth! arena net did not invent thief class, arena net did not invent mobility, teleport, evasion, dodge and critic damage. You think i am new to mmo game; ask me before you call me ignorant; not hard; very easy.

So again, just because i do not play thief class, it do not make me or any not thief player ignorant. You need to be careful of using that word; not nice.

yolo swaggins.2570:

DarkSyze.8627:

So you are say thief can not spam? i can show many evidence of thief spam from other thief player. I experience thief spam every time i go to wvw and spvp; so what you say, i do not know what spam is? Initiative is not excuse for thief class; every class should have same punishment and same consequence when not play good; no excuse.

This is why nobody is taking you seriously:

You say “evidence” and then say it should be nerfed due to said evidence, but you do not show any evidence that you’ve played thief to the extent we have. Focusing on a small part of the thief’s issues without factoring in the other problems that are keeping the original problems from being solved shows that you are ignorant to all of the problems revolving around thief. It shows that you do not play thief and have no clue what you are talking about.

And if you had ANY idea what you were talking about, you’de know that no amount of vid and thread spamming will change it or our minds. Deal with it and git gud or don’t and git out.

Example; do you have to be in hospital to be sick? So because i do not play thief class; i do not know what thief class is? I am ignorant for not play thief class? so you say same as example; because you are not in hospital; you are ignorant? It do not make sense.

yolo swaggins.2570:

DarkSyze.8627:

yolo swaggins.2570:

DarkSyze.8627:

Jana.6831:

mulzi.8273:

the only real problem i have with thieves is the exploit (and yes, i’m calling it an exploit) of preloading CnD, using steal, and hitting backstab all instantly for massive damage that can almost kill most folks. and on a realtively low cooldown.

Dodge – that’s always a good advise in this game and it helps against CnD as well.

You do understand what instant kill mean?

Ele has an instant kill that is more powerful and doesn’t require stealth.

Yes. How many time ele can use instant kill vs thief instant kill+stealth?

The same amount. However, ele still has skills they can use. Thief is at half initiative, revealed for 4 seconds and if they havn’t done it properly will probably not be able to get away without burning more initiative.

That’s how the thief works. It isn’t just spamming 5151515151 like I think you are trying to imply. You obviously have not touched on thief personally or in combat. Just lol.

So you are say thief can not spam? i can show many evidence of thief spam from other thief player. I experience thief spam every time i go to wvw and spvp; so what you say, i do not know what spam is? Initiative is not excuse for thief class; every class should have same punishment and same consequence when not play good; no excuse. Thief will wait for long cooldown after using high damage like other class and wait for long cooldown like mesmer stealth.

yolo swaggins.2570:

DarkSyze.8627:

Jana.6831:

mulzi.8273:

the only real problem i have with thieves is the exploit (and yes, i’m calling it an exploit) of preloading CnD, using steal, and hitting backstab all instantly for massive damage that can almost kill most folks. and on a realtively low cooldown.

Dodge – that’s always a good advise in this game and it helps against CnD as well.

You do understand what instant kill mean?

Ele has an instant kill that is more powerful and doesn’t require stealth.

Yes. How many time ele can use instant kill vs thief instant kill+stealth?

Jana.6831:

mulzi.8273:

the only real problem i have with thieves is the exploit (and yes, i’m calling it an exploit) of preloading CnD, using steal, and hitting backstab all instantly for massive damage that can almost kill most folks. and on a realtively low cooldown.

Dodge – that’s always a good advise in this game and it helps against CnD as well.

You do understand what instant kill mean?

Narkodx.1472:

DarkSyze.8627:

Narkodx.1472:

DarkSyze – man you need to use FACTUAL evidence not anecdotal stupidity like fastest evasion fastest kill fastest everything… wtf does that even mean

Thieves Guild has a ridiculous cooldown you may be able to use it once a fight

Mesmers have phantasms and clones on weapon skills there is no comparison

Unless you use FACTS and stop using “fastest kill” no one can take you seriously

Facts? Here is 2 year+ beta Fact; see no serious change to thief class even this year 2015.
and https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/The-thief-and-its-gameplay-Your-feedback-Merged/first

I always do research when i post; that is why research is good for find fact and result; very simple.

The existence of this thread is a FACT that Thieves are OP? LOL

OK man keep doing research and you will see PLENTY of nerfs since the beta to the Thief class

See thief now and compare with past 2012; what plenty of nerfs? I want you read this; http://www.tentonhammer.com/editorial/guild-wars-2-are-thieves-and-mesmers-cause-meta

Narkodx.1472:

DarkSyze – man you need to use FACTUAL evidence not anecdotal stupidity like fastest evasion fastest kill fastest everything… wtf does that even mean

Thieves Guild has a ridiculous cooldown you may be able to use it once a fight

Mesmers have phantasms and clones on weapon skills there is no comparison

Unless you use FACTS and stop using “fastest kill” no one can take you seriously

Facts? Here is 2 year+ beta Fact; see no serious change to thief class even this year 2015.
and https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/The-thief-and-its-gameplay-Your-feedback-Merged/first

I always do research when i post; that is why research is good for find fact and result; very simple.

yolo swaggins.2570:

TheLastNobody.8319:

I was going to type up a big long post on why I hate the thief’s on demand access to stealth and class design in general,…then I thought what’s the point?

Simple fact, thieves are a profession that have been unfortunately designed around the way stealth works in this game. Heck, they have an entire trait line devoted to the dang mechanic. Sure mesmer’s do too, engie’s have a bit but I think it can be said that thieves are the undisputed kings of stealth in GW2. BECAUSE OF THAT they are designed to be squishy, not have that much condition cleanse, and be mobile as hell (mobile meaning able to get in and out of a fight quickly, not dodging everything left and right.) Sure you can make a thief that uses evasion more than stealth, but that requires so much more effort and if you slip up once it can lead to disaster.

Plus the main thing I think people hate about thieves (myself included) is how in WvW they just appear out of nowhere and burst you down before you even know what happened, then when you activate your defenses, they stealth and run away, wait to regain whatever initiative they had to use, then come back in because they know your stuff is on cooldown and now can kill you much easier. PvP this isn’t such a big problem because it’s Conquest, requiring your team to capture and hold points, so the thief has to get close, as well as hold their ground, something the class is not really designed to do, plus stealth doesn’t contribute to capturing a point.

So yeah, my point, is they nerf stealth, the thief would be ruined because it is one of the class’s primary survival mechanics. Even if they buffed a dancing build or pistol build, I still don’t see any thieves using anything else other than the popular D/P because of it’s utility and damage. My advice for all stealth haters, just get used to it and learn to deal with it, it’s probably not going to go away.

Mesmer have stealth; and their stealth is not primary defense; yes they have clones but even clones and thief have clones too; thieves guild and they are more stronger and more survive than mesmer clones and phant. http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Thieves_Guild . Thief class is very too much efficient than all class. If you take all class and add together, you get thief. Why thief stealth should be primary if they have; fastest mobility, fastest kill, fastest teleport, fastest evasion, fastest dodge, fastest everything?… so how is their stealth their primary defense when they have all that? Why would thief waste time with stealth if they can do all of the other in few second? I see thief all time in wvw and spvp not use stealth and survive and still efficient. is this joke? it do not make sense. Stealth is just excuse for thief who want everything and want have everything ready without effort and to get away from all situation without consequence.

Lazaar.9123:

Can’t the owner already kick people out of the golem?

Good question i never experience inside golem, i don’t know?

Zero Day.2594:

DarkSyze.8627:

Zero Day.2594:

Fritz.5026:

Personally I dislike stealth in general, and I do not mean limited to this game. When I look at any mmo game that is pvp-centric and I see it has a stealth class I take a pass on the entire game.

I bought this game back when it first came out and I still to this day have never made it to max level with a character. I have tried to play it several times, but my disdain of the stealth mechanics in general always drives me away.

I check back from time to time hoping to see that thieves have been nerfed to a state of being a joke class, because I like most the rest of the game, but it never happens. Quite the opposite for the majority of this games life actually. For most of the first couple years it seemed this class was the developers golden child.

Well that’s really just a personal issue. Sorry you couldn’t finish the game due to yourself.

Why did you even buy the game if you hate stealth THAT MUCH?

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You’re probably a troll though.

Everyone who say thief stealth is problem is troll include thief player who say same?. Everyone who question thief class is a troll? I buy game and i did not know stealth was not challenge; should i know before? Area net post in website that stealth is problem and not challenge? where is post?

Not sure what’s up with you but you see fritz just hates stealth in general – so much that it drives him away from playing games. So if he hates stealth that much why did he buy the game?

That’s kind of different from you.

And yes majority who “question” the thief class, or really any other class are either trolls(10.25% of posters) or just whiners(89.25% of posters). And if you notice 0.5% of posters are missing… Now, several months ago (+6-9 months back), the blue moon was up and the 0.5% of posters accumulated that actually cared about balance (and not their bum rashes) and began to post on various (pvp, and balance) forums. And although some of their suggestions were nerfs, but the way they were able to articulate themselves actually showed that they cared for the overall balance of things. It was a very phenomenal happening, but ever since then, such an occurrence hasn’t happened again.

You seem to be troll as well, linking 2 year old videos and forum posts along with weirdly interpreting things (like that even ANet hates thieves post you suggested).

I am sorry

I never post arena net hate thieves, i say arena net find thief concern; i even post link with thread. I want ask you question, you say (89.25% are whinners; should that be concern? If large percent of play complain, should any game company investigate and fix? I read all time of hacker and spammer in game; so example; if 89.25% player complain about them, should arena net ignore them? Is that why i read they are still many here? Why after 2 year+beta; thieves still can perma-stealth, instant kill, stealth on wall? i read the thief nerf patch for them, why they still here in game? Player 2 year+beta complaint about them all time; again, why after 2 year+beta thieves still do that? If 89.25% of player complain about that; do they have reason to complain? Are they wrong to question, what happen?

Complain and whining is good and bad.Complaint help player find problem and tell game company. If no complaint or hide and delete complaint and not fix complaint; player leave fast; game fail. Yes, too much complain and whining is problem but if large percent complain of same thing; it is game company responsible to investigate and fix; if found; not tiny fix and pretend to fix but serious fix problem. Player is smart; not stupid and will find game company lie and complaint more. If game company is honest, player will complaint less and thank game company for honesty. Also, when game company is honest; player, game and game company relationship is healthy and grow strong.

Zero Day.2594:

Fritz.5026:

Personally I dislike stealth in general, and I do not mean limited to this game. When I look at any mmo game that is pvp-centric and I see it has a stealth class I take a pass on the entire game.

I bought this game back when it first came out and I still to this day have never made it to max level with a character. I have tried to play it several times, but my disdain of the stealth mechanics in general always drives me away.

I check back from time to time hoping to see that thieves have been nerfed to a state of being a joke class, because I like most the rest of the game, but it never happens. Quite the opposite for the majority of this games life actually. For most of the first couple years it seemed this class was the developers golden child.

Well that’s really just a personal issue. Sorry you couldn’t finish the game due to yourself.

Why did you even buy the game if you hate stealth THAT MUCH?

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You’re probably a troll though.

I do not think Fritz is troll.
Everyone who say thief stealth is problem is troll include thief player who say same?. Everyone who question thief class is a troll? Everyone who do not agree with thief class is troll? Troll, Troll, Troll everyone who not say yes to thief class. I buy game and i did not know stealth was problem and not challenge; should i know before? Area net post in website that stealth is problem and not challenge? where is post? I start make more time with other mmo game that is challenge and fun; why waste time with fast everything game? Why waste time with no challenge stealth? Mmo game should be fun and challenge and take time to learn; no fast everything and instant everything and spam same over and over (spvp and wvw). What make me sad is guild wars 2 is only mmo game that player kill big boss very fast; my server kill Lord big boss less than 30 seconds, sometime faster; do you understand problem? What purpose give thief too much stealth? why purpose give thief too much mobility? why purpose give them too much damage? why purpose give them too much everything? It is not ok for mmo game who want take time to learn and have fun. Have everything with too much is not ok! that is problem with guild wars 2. Too much condition, too much dps, too much mobility, too much stealth, too much health, too much defense, too much everything+fast everything+ Instant Kill, Instant burst, Instant everything=Bad Game.

Even if prepare in 15 minute- 30 minute; check build, check gear, check food, check weapon, check everything and enter wvw; instant kill class kill player. Guild Wars 2 is nice game but too much everything; too much stealth and too fast everything, make it worth not too much of my time. That’s all. I will spend a little bit wvw time for Pve.

I agree same. Sometime i stand i watch lord and see him standing lonely and sad; wait for die. My server kill enemy lord less than 30 seconds and i find not challenge for Lord. Why make Lord weak than pve big boss? Lord should be like pve big boss and fight for life and use very powerful skill for kill and defend.

Suggestion; make lord immune to all damage every 10 second
Suggestion 2; if not kill lord in 20 second timer; make lord use super skill to instant kill all enemy player in 2500-4500 range radius include stealth class player.

Just suggestion

Ario.8964:

DarkSyze, your “solutions” just lost you any sort of credibility you had.

As for the initiative argument, As Yolo said it’s a global CD for the entire class. With other classes, if you have skills on CD you can swap to another weapon and have more cooldowns to use. With thief, if you blow all you ini you are without any weapon skills until you get some more which can mean your death because you are stuck in the open and are a free kill for anyone for a good 6-7 seconds.

And for any sort of sacrifice argument, Thief has to sacrifice a ton, but when in the hands of a player who knows how to adapt to those weaknesses you may not notice that they are actually quite vulnerable when things don’t go their way.

That’s all for now, I’ll be back with more stuff when there’s more to reply to. Good day all!

I write some solution; it is not mine I do research and experience thief problem too in wvw and pvp like other player. I am credible with other player who find same problem with thief. and also i do research to see if problem was there before. Yes thief problem was there before; 2 year+beta. If you are 2 year old player+beta; you should know credibility already (i can post credibility past source again if want)

Mount will never happen because game structure is too fast. Example; like mobility. Start class fastest-slowest mobility; 1 warrior, 2nd thief, 3rd ele, 4 engineer, 5 guardian, 6 ranger, 7 mes. Mounts are for slow-medium structure mmo game; not for guild wars 2. Guild Wars 2 structure is slave to fast-too fast everything.

Example; Zerk-kill everything fast, Spam-use same skill fast, Mobility-run very fast. Another example; thief have 2 teleport- Shadow Escape http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Shadow_Escape and Mesmer have portal entre- can teleport 20 player http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Portal_Entre

Look at other mmo game; no one of them have this too fast everything; except guild wars 2, so it make sense for them to have mounts. Why have mounts if have super fast mobility like thief, war, ele and war? T

Other mmo game war, ele and thief mobility is normal speed-fast speed with food+skill with long-very long cooldown

Last; Super Fast Rune

Example;
Rune of the pack- 15% chance when struck to grant nearby allies Might, Fury, and Swiftness for 10 seconds. http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Rune_of_the_Pack

Rune of speed- 15% chance when struck to gain swiftness for 15 seconds. (Cooldown: 30s) http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Rune_of_Speed

Super Fast Sigil;

Sigil of Speed- Gain Swiftness (20 Seconds) on Killing a Foe http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Sigil_of_Superior_Speed

Even rune and sigil make guild wars 2 structure too fast.

Final; Again, Guild Wars 2 structure is all about fast everything and speed everything.
Mounts will never work.

Only way for mounts to work is for arena net to remake guild wars 2 structure like guild wars 1 structure; No fast everything, No speed everything, No instant everything; see word> “normal, high amount of preparation, time commitment, coordinate, more than normal”

Elite Mission> " Especially difficult missions, with an 8–12 player party size, that require a high amount of preparation, skill, knowledge and time commitment. Having the correct team build is a must, and players must coordinate with other team members more than normal." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guild_Wars

If game was Guild Wars 1; mount would work good for it structure

yolo swaggins.2570:

Chairface.9036:

So many saying thief is balanced simple because its not impossible to catch/kill them.

That’s not the point, the point is they are not balanced with the other classes in many different scenarios, especially WvW.

Neither is every other class. Why is that even a point?

Let me ask you this; all other class use effort to be effective, so why is ok for 1 class only not make any effort?

Let me ask you another; all class skills and traits are slave to long cooldown. why 1 class only have almost no cooldown and can spam same skill over and over?

This is point; all class make huge sacrifice and thief make no sacrifice. Just repeat same skill over, over. Why is only thief class not have same cooldown like other class? Let me ask you one last question; why thief class only class can instant kill over and over? Yes other class can instant kill but have to wait because slave to long cooldown, but why not thief?

That is what make thief class different than other class; thief do not need sacrifice anything to be effective and have stealth waiting for them to run and hide, always Even Warrior (king of dps and damage) make sacrifice for long cooldown to be effective, so why make 1 class not be same?

Solution; make thief have cooldown like all other class; remove innatiative
Solution 2; remove all stealth and all critic damage from thief traits
Solution 4; nerf all thief damage 50%

Than thief class will be almost balance like all other class.

Jana.6831:

It’s simple: What I said was true: once you know the thief mechanics you don’t need 3 guys to kill him. Sweeping after a cap is always a good idea and there are all kinds of classes hiding in towers as all of them can solo towers, depending on their skill level.

I am a thief myself and have capped around 30 towers solo, I hid in few of them, I usually used a cata to open them, sometimes a treb.
That a mesmer is easier to catch is your personal opinion.

Want more arguments? Because all we’re doing is running in a circle – you don’t like thieves, we get it, you haven’t figured out their mechanics, we get it, but well.. too bad, I guess.

Jana, i want challenge your argument.
Jana, have you seen this thread? this thread been here long than you; yes 2 years include beta tester player.

1. https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Stealth-Attacking-consistently-while-totally-100-stealth

2. https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Im-done-playing-a-thief-and-most-likely-GW2/first#post270109

3. https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/it-is-possible-thief-can-stealth-almost-2-min-in-WvWvW/first#post400497

4. https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Thief-overpowered

So can you say all player include thief player who post in forum don’t know what they talk about? Or do not know their thief class? Or make up problem?

Last question; Is everything player include thief player say from 2 years+beta in forum is here today for thief class?

I want to know just know if they are make up complain and story of thief class stealth, that’s all.

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

Jana.6831:

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

…Of course it can be frustrating, every class can be frustrating. And you don’t need 3 guys to catch a glassy thief.

A thief that has space can be very hard to catch even with a lot more than 3 people. Glassy or not.

Yeah but the scenario was a thief in a tower – most people don’t waste their time chasing after one enemy anyway, no matter the class.

I have very seldom seen anybody leave an objective without being pretty sure they drove off all enemies. Specially in the case of a tower since the search is pretty easy to make as oppose to a keep or SM

A lone thief can cap a tower solo without any problem. Therefore, many will run all over the place just to make sure he doesn’t have that chance. Also, if only one make that search, chances are he will be back-stabbed while trying to find the thief. It usually end up requiring many just to make sure the tower won’t be a free lunch.

If it’s a mesmer it is even more important for obvious reasons, but a mesmer is far easier to drive out due to the amount and duration of the stealth at their disposal. Still, going back to the original idea, you can’t really leave a thief inside your tower unless you don’t care about defending your objectives and you can’t reliably seek and dispose/drive out a thief alone.

In other word, stealth can be a pain in the kitten for a lot of players. It also probably doesn’t help that so many who play the profession seem to take pleasure in behaving like professional trolls… the behavior of many has certainly tainted the perception associated with that ability.

Ele player in guild say, “ele nerf will be a small pinch on the arm”. D/D Ele not going nowhere; just like thief class for 2 years. Watch after patch or after expansion; same instant kill, same God everything with Super Class; thief, elementalist and engineer.

No serious nerf, No Worry!

Evidence; 7 month July 2014; result from many thief nerf patch; thief still instant kill, thief still perma stealth, thief still stealth wall, still many thing

Suggestion; record video gameplay of d/d ele and make thread and see if serious change after nerf patch.

Again, no worry for good-bye to d/d nerf until serious nerf

HtFde.3856:

Chairface.9036:

To an experienced player stealth is a get out of jail free card. One class can stealth over and over again, all throughout the fight, none of the other classes can, I have to call that overpowered as in not balanced for competitive play.

Again GW2 is the only PvP I’ve ever seen that allows constant stealth once your in combat. Wonder why people say its OP as in not balanced for a PvP game mode? They must have played just about anything else in the MMO PvP genre.

Well – and this is not even what it was at the beginning. You could stack stealth ad infinitum – we had a lot of fun stacking more than a minute and waltz into the enemy base fortress and scare players there … it took ANet a while to cap stealth so that you could no longer gain minutes of it and – sigh – they added the “teleport out of enemy spawn” feature.

In addition to that thieves could cap/decap/cap-freeze while being stealthed. Not that much of a problem in sPvP – you know where the thief is because the capping circle is really tiny but a big problem in WvW.

I admit I did sometimes troll – I loved to climb the ladder in the NW camp, sit up there and prevent recapture – sometimes the group below gave up on recapping because they never figured out where I was …

At the moment I would not say that thief is OP in sPvP – he’s pretty strong in a deathmatch map but when you need to cap … there’s better classes with better team synergy. In WvW though …

I was actually pretty … angry … when I realized that ANet did not have different skill sets for PvP and PvE- It took them ages to finally split the skills depending on game mode in GW 1 and only after endless complaints in the forum because Izzy broke yet again a PvE class for his oh-so-precious PvP balance.

Add to that the scaling problem of ascended gear + buff food – another step ANet took I don’t think much of – and you have a very unbalanced game mode. So PvP is ok – you have the same rules for everyone (bar the runes/skills you need to unlock but, hey, that’s motivation) and WvW remains an unbalanced mess. To start sorting that out I’d apprechiate if ANet would split the skills in PvE. sPvP and WvW versions so that they could tune initiaive cost, damage, cooldown, etc. per game mode. In PvE against high end, upscaling monsters you need more damage than you need in WvW.

This video show same problem with thief stealth. Again here is thief show how to Perma-Stealth and take tower; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2QVy_C-Z0-k
Thief is a joke profession i ever see and play in mmo. No mmo game company make joke profession like this; even square enix; thief or even ninja and wow;rogue.

This is wow and other game mmo stealth definition and description? (copy/paste website)

Stealth;

“Stealth is a rogue ability that prevents other creatures from detecting the stealthed player unless particularly close.

Attacking and most actions such as looting will cancel Stealth. Taking any damage will cancel Stealth, including direct, AoE and DoT damage, and environmental damage such as fires. However, Stealth does not break from falling damage, unless of course it kills the stealthed unit. You cannot enter Stealth while in combat".

Guild Wars 2 Stealth definition and description is complete opposite and different. Guild Wars 2 stealth don’t care about challenge or suffer consequence for mistake over and over so result; make thief Perfect/God Mode.

Example; in family, child; if parent give child everything and tell child, “everything you do is good”, and not teach child what is good and bad? not teach child discipline or give and teach consequence when child break rule (child do not know if break rule because parent say, :“everything you do is good”) , is good for child life? is good for child present-future?

Thief is example child; i feel sad for thief profession; this is why child thief feel hate and angry. One very important reason is; Perfect child thief have no choice but take everything parent arena net give. Perfect child thief have no Freedom to learn and experience different thing. Perfect child thief do not know what is challenge and fair, just run and hide. Perfect make child thief slave and not have freedom like other children profession for experience different thing and be corrected/discipline for make bad choice like other profession. Again, Perfect child thief do not know what challenge; fun is; because stealth make run away and hide any time want. When choice and freedom is take from you, to be the Perfect child profession, is sad.

yolo swaggins.2570:

DarkSyze.8627:

Yolo; please read.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/13000er-Backstab-hit-Where-is-the-challenge

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/25k-Backstab-Skillz/first#post381021

ok this is 18 page thread of backstab problem; need nerf by thief player and other player
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Backstab-time-to-nerf/page/3

Did arena net fix backstab problem? a little but after 2 years; backstab damage is still high; so nerf to backstab was not serious.

Yolo, read past history before make thread to call other not thief player complaint. The other not thief player is right and you are wrong for make fun of them.

Read my OPs before you comment with something like this. Thanks.

Before i comment; i do research. I do research in past thread to see if problem was already there before. I use research result to challenge you because you make fun of other not stealth player and blame them in fat they are right with their complaint because arena net nerf to thief backstab was not serious.

Evidence; past 7 month-July 2014, a player make thread and post video(arena net tell youtube remove video) of thief very high backstab 27k+ https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Over-27k-Backstab/first#post4145025

I show this to server thieves and guild thieves, they say, “it is rare but not impossible. The normal extreme thief backstab damage range 12k-24k”

Even after many evidence include thieves player of 2 year+beta; thieves always say qq; which is lie. QQ vs Evidence;2 Year+Beta= Evidence; 2 Year+ Beta Win!, include not stealth class

Final; A lot of player you make fun was already there before you include beta; instead think know everything, do research; not hard; very easy.

Yolo; please read.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/13000er-Backstab-hit-Where-is-the-challenge

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/25k-Backstab-Skillz/first#post381021

ok this is 18 page thread of backstab problem; need nerf by thief player and other player
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Backstab-time-to-nerf/page/3

Did arena net fix backstab problem? a little but after 2 years; backstab damage is still high; so nerf to backstab was not serious.

Yolo, read past history before make thread to call other not thief player complaint. The other not thief player is right and you are wrong for make fun of them.

Necrotize.2974:

The fact that you linked Zero’s “Nerf Wish list” thread leads me to believe you’re just trolling, or really don’t read, possibly both. But I guess since the word “Thief” is in a thread title, they must be OP right?

Troll? I did research and say Zero Day still write and still play; still troll? Do same research and ask Zero Day if still write and play? Also, write to every thief player in all thread that he/she is troll; even to arena net who write thread of thief class for concern.

Necrotize.2974:

DarkSyze.8627:

Ario; read https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2QVy_C-Z0-k and https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/The-thief-and-its-gameplay-Your-feedback-Merged/first You are wrong about thief class not be OP, you are wrong for thief stealth not problem, you call other not stealth player name " stealth hater", 2 year+ beta before you join guild wars 2; many player and thief say thief is Op and stealth same. Even arena net create own thread of thief class concern…. so here is chance to call arena net same name “stealth hater”. Arena net create thief class and know thief class better than you and all player. You Lose! Arena net Win!

If you read the opening post in the thread you linked, you’d know they made that thread so they’d have an excuse to merge/delete all the whining threads, Anet doesn’t ever actually say that they have a problem with thief, they just acknowledge that there are tons of threads about more or less the same thing. I can say I play any class I want, doesn’t mean I’m good at it or that my opinion is worth a kitten though. Some people that have been playing since beta say stealth is broken, some say those people are wrong. It really is just a he said she said situation using testimonials that are hardly justifiable. I mean, someone could say they’ve played GW2 for year, doesn’t mean they’re an expert, nor does it mean they mained a thief at any point in those years. They could’ve mained warrior that entire period, does that make them an expert on balance then?

Thread is in thief forum not other class! or other forum. Many thief player who post, still write and still play thief; I check. Ok here is another thread in thief forum of thief nerf list by a thief player still write and still play thief class: Zero Day

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/first

Here is thread with article of thief player who still play.
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/pvp/Mesmer-s-and-Thieves-the-cause-of-PvP-s-Meta/first

stealth thread from thief player
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Stealth-Suggestions-and-Changes

want more evidence?

Ario; read https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2QVy_C-Z0-k and https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/The-thief-and-its-gameplay-Your-feedback-Merged/first You are wrong about thief class not be OP, you are wrong for thief stealth not problem, you call other not stealth player name " stealth hater", 2 year+ beta before you join guild wars 2; many player and thief say thief is Op and stealth same. Even arena net create own thread of thief class concern…. so here is chance to call arena net same name “stealth hater”. Arena net create thief class and know thief class better than you and all player. You Lose! Arena net Win!

I like thread and many player post. I find the problem with arena net guild wars 2 “No-grind philosophy” and it is very sad and wrong.

Why sad? because arena net changed meaning after 2 years guild wars 2 release. No grind mean no grind. Example; if i say no talk, it mean what it say, I can not change meaning after 2 year and say, it mean something else, I think that is problem with arena net philosophy; it is not true. Word= Action. If word is not action; is not true. My question for old players who play guild wars 2 for 1-2 years; did you realize no action in no grind philosphy?

Why you blame arena net now after 2 year for philosophy word without action? why take so long?

Why wrong? It is wrong for arena net to not make word into action. I read past review and experience some; grind, not too much because i am still new. Wrong also for arena net to change the no-grind philosophy meaning any time without tell player. Player see the action different from the word, so why after 2 year to tell them? Player is important too.

It is not ok. Player use time for guild wars 2 and need to know what change and what not change. I think that is why so many player are angry because you did not tell them before after 2 year now; they are right to be angry and feel not important.

That is why some game company not do good because they think they can do anything they want and change anything they want without telling player why? Only for security reason; no telling but other reason, need to tell player. That’s all.

Hey, a player in party pass me a video of perma-stealth for thieves. Player want to share video with thieves who defend and justify stealth. Player say, “stealth is so broken and absurd in game; any thieves who defend it are lying or are delusional” “Stealth is no excuse for thieves and break all rules of stealth design”. Last say, “best solution is to completely remove it in the game”

Jana.6831:

DarkSyze.8627:

Stealth is not challenge. Why? Example; if fight opponent in boxing ring and opponent health is almost down, than sudden opponent disappear and appear with full health. And opponent repeat same over and over, is challenge fight? is challenge hiding instead fighting?

This is main problem with thief class; too much stealth repeat and time waste. Other mmo game do not have this because game would not be challenge and fun and would waste time for player and game. So why arena net put it in game?

Again, main problem with stealth

1. Too much stealth repeat
2. Too much time waste

Player do not want waste time in game, player want challenge and fun. Stealth is enemy to fun and time waste in game.

If you waste time while your opponent is in stealth, then it’s your bad – thieves aren’t invincible when stealthed.
Sometimes I think I’m talking to small children “I’m sooo afraid of what I can’t see”.

Read last post- Small children? who is play hide and seek?

Stealth is not challenge. Why? Example; if fight opponent in boxing ring and opponent health is almost down, than sudden opponent disappear and appear with full health. And opponent repeat same over and over, is challenge fight? is challenge hiding instead fighting?

This is main problem with thief class; too much stealth repeat and time waste. Other mmo game do not have this because game would not be challenge and fun and would waste time for player and game. So why arena net put it in game?

Again, main problem with stealth

1. Too much stealth repeat
2. Too much time waste

Player do not want waste time in game, player want challenge and fun. Stealth is enemy to fun and time waste in game. I even see post about other player not logging and playing for long time because of stealth. 10 minute-1 hour+ should be worth time, not play children game; hide seek. Other game for that, not for guild wars 2