Guild Wars 2

I like the concept art for each class in https://www.guildwars2.com/en/the-game/professions/ website . The concept art for each class is very beautiful and awesome. I know is concept art but maybe if each class ask arena net to make same concept art skin or clothe for their class, arena net may make happen? I will make list of description of concept art design for each class.

Thief- have cape with mouth scarf, fingerless gloves and long boot

Engineer- long brown leather jacket, goggles and long leather gloves.

Elementalist- hood cape, long boots and medium head crown.

Ranger- mouth scarf, cape, long boot, long black leather jacket and long leather glove.

Necromancer- hood cape and long leather gloves.

Warrior- Heavy armor

Mesmer- long dress, long leather gloves, cape and long boots

Guardian- Medium armor, head crown

This is end list. Again, is suggestion; would be beautiful to see happen because concept artist work hard and did great job, so why not show it in game?

No celestial nerf= more old problems= more no fun.

IndigoSundown.5419:

Elder Angelus.6298:

We should still have tanks, healers, and damagers because different people like the different styles. Variety is good!

Again…

Jon Peters; ArenaNet; MMO Champion Interview; 2/2012

We built this game so that the professions act as play styles, not as roles. Each profession can support, control, and do damage. We believe that this creates more dynamic combat and more distinct professions because there are more play styles than roles.

That was what was intended. It’s exactly what we have. Not 3 roles, 8 professions. Within those professions, there is a also versatility in traits and utility skills, which can be switched out from encounter to encounter.

You want to play tanks n’ healers? Wooden Potatoes has videos showing a 22K-group-healing-every-15-seconds build and a high armor, high sustain warrior build. Slot those, grab three ranged DPS and have at it. This game system gives the freedom for both that and high efficiency play. You can play trinity right now.

Yet, you want to throw away that freedom and make everyone play trinity. That’s what you’re really asking for. Why? So you can get into the PuG versions of speed runs with those builds. These complaints are essentially asking ANet to throw away one of the game’s core design features so you don’t have to type anything in the LFG and don’t have to make any effort to find the like-minded.

No, thanks.

I want to comment; all what you write is right. But you forget other part; zerk. Instead of write trinity party, put zerk in place. I read a lot of past and present forum and post and find, zerk being more problematic than non zerk;trinity party. I do not find non zerk; trinity forum and post in guild wars 2 forum being problem but zerk.

You say Lfg tool; i see all time “zerk only-speed run”, “no zerk-gtfo” ; is ok? Even in wvw; even some party in wvw in my server, will have only zerk party. You say freedom? Do other no zerk have freedom? So is ok for zerk only to have freedom to play and not zerk?

I see 2 problem in guild wars 2 game design mode ; Zerk and Non Zerk.

Zerk= too much damage: Offense
non zerk= too much heal; Defense

So question is, how to balance these 2 game design mode? These 2 game design mode is source of problem.

That is why Trinity is only choice balance game design mode to balance them. But do each guild wars 2 profession; class design are trinity game design? No! but was guild wars 2 suppose be trinity game design mode? Yes. This was why guild wars 2 was different mmo because no Trinity. All profession;class are Trinity, This is even main problem because it is confusing.

Should every profession;class be Trinity? Yes but Warrior, Thief, Engineer and Elementalist class only are Trinity. This is why other class; ranger, guardian and mesmer complain because they are correct. Complain because there is problem, they are not Trinity game design like them. This is why non trinity class see Thief, Enginner, Elementalist and Warrior be Op.

If all have same trinity; there would be no problem in game. No problem in party, no problem in Offense and Defense game design; every class will be Powerful and be Strong. Same Trinity be for pve boss.

Someone in guild say, “if all class are Op, there would be no complain about whose class is Op or not; because they all are”, i laugh lol" i find funny but guild player is correct.

The guild player say, “the problem really is about the Trinity Class design vs the non-Trinity class design and that arena need to address it very soon because it is dividing the community”

Zaxares.5419:

It’s the nature of the beast whenever there’s a flood of new players into the game. Just (politely) point these new players to Hotjoin and tell them to get their feet wet there first.

nice advice

Thank You! Menaka. for the lesson video.

Celebratty.1632:

This thread is great..
If you run in the tail, you are going to get picked off. They don’t care about you because having a tail is a bad thing, and not being on tag is an inconvenience. Stay close to tag or be good enough to kill the thieves that try and pick you off. If you run full zerk, you will have no defense and go down far faster than if you had defense. That is called a trade off. Zerker thieves are not “op,” as someone who plays thief and mesmer I can assure you that mesmer is a lot more survivable in full zerk. That thief did exactly what he intended to do, he took out a squishy light armor with 0 defensive capabilities who was too far from the zerg to cause him to get steamrolled.

So player who in the tail get punish? It like saying, tail of zerg is not important. I do not agree; every part of zerg is important, include tail. Example; like animal tail; so if somebody cut tail; it is animal fault for have tail? So is trade of for animal for have tail? Some class like necromancer is slow class, so is ok for thief to kill because it is in the tail? I say; all player are important including in the tail; i play guardian class and i protect the tail players because they are part of party. Also there is new player in wvw who is not experience in run fast but is learning; should they be not important to party for be in the tail? should new player trade of be instant kill because not learn yet and experience yet?

In my server; some thief stay behind with in the tail player to protect them; even other player and commander wait for in the tail player; they wait for me too; which is nice.

I understand what you say but i do not find ok for this trade of at all. Every part is important; No trade of.

Zenos Osgorma.2936:

DarkSyze.8627:

Bertrand.3057:

DarkSyze.8627:

shadowpass.4236:

AnniMira.2506:

“critically hits you for 10,414 using [Backstab]” – I had full health.

I have lvl 80 mesmer. Full zerk – exo armor, ascended trinkets. Anything non-zerk would have less damage. Max crit hit I have done is about 2,000. How to get 10,414 in a split second with mesmer?

So far best weapon (of mesmer) against the thief is the Moa bird. But you may know how hard it is to get invisible thief as target for the whole cast time. Specially if thief surprises and instakills.

lmao.

Ok first off, you are running a full zerk mesmer (light armored class). It doesn’t matter if you are ascended or not, ascended zerk adds no defense regardless.

And you are talking about 2 different classes. Thieves can 1 shot with backstab. Mesmers can 1 shot with shatters.

shadowpass, can i ask you question; i hear all the time, “because you run zerk”, so why is wrong for other class to wear zerker and thief not? Is ok for only thief wear zerk and not other class?

It’s not wrong for other classes to wear zerker. shadowpass never claimed that. If you want to get advice from other players, there was another thread with a lot of useful info which you refused to consider or acknowledge. Don’t put words in other people’s mouths for rhetorical points.

All shadowpass was pointing out was that zerker gear doesn’t give you the defensive stats you need to survive a burst, whether it’s level 80 ascended or level 2 common. The only caveat is the defense bonus from armor pieces, but for light armor professions this is quite low.

Zerker is totally viable for mesmer but only if you know how to avoid burst damage. Thieves are actually more vulnerable with full zerker because their health pool is 2/3 the size of a mesmer’s.

Write were i say shadowpass claim? Write where I " Don’t put words in other people’s mouths for rhetorical points". I ask a question. do a question have to be claim? Do a question have to be from other people mouth? What are you talk about “rehetorical point”? Write where i say i “refuse to consider and acknowledge”. Why when i write in forum and post always give you problem? I do not ask you question so why i bother you? Yes other player can answer question but when i write, it make you mad and make you rude attitude, so what is wrong? After you reply with rude attitude; you give suggestion. Are you ok? If i always write and make you mad and make you bad attitude; do not reply; very simple than you can be ok.

read again , " shadow pass never claimed " “not i said shadowpass claim” your having a rant fine , but note if you run full glass and can’t avoid bursts prepair to die fast without a chance to recover easly.

Thank You! for correction I understand.

Bertrand.3057:

DarkSyze.8627:

shadowpass.4236:

AnniMira.2506:

“critically hits you for 10,414 using [Backstab]” – I had full health.

I have lvl 80 mesmer. Full zerk – exo armor, ascended trinkets. Anything non-zerk would have less damage. Max crit hit I have done is about 2,000. How to get 10,414 in a split second with mesmer?

So far best weapon (of mesmer) against the thief is the Moa bird. But you may know how hard it is to get invisible thief as target for the whole cast time. Specially if thief surprises and instakills.

lmao.

Ok first off, you are running a full zerk mesmer (light armored class). It doesn’t matter if you are ascended or not, ascended zerk adds no defense regardless.

And you are talking about 2 different classes. Thieves can 1 shot with backstab. Mesmers can 1 shot with shatters.

shadowpass, can i ask you question; i hear all the time, “because you run zerk”, so why is wrong for other class to wear zerker and thief not? Is ok for only thief wear zerk and not other class?

It’s not wrong for other classes to wear zerker. shadowpass never claimed that. If you want to get advice from other players, there was another thread with a lot of useful info which you refused to consider or acknowledge. Don’t put words in other people’s mouths for rhetorical points.

All shadowpass was pointing out was that zerker gear doesn’t give you the defensive stats you need to survive a burst, whether it’s level 80 ascended or level 2 common. The only caveat is the defense bonus from armor pieces, but for light armor professions this is quite low.

Zerker is totally viable for mesmer but only if you know how to avoid burst damage. Thieves are actually more vulnerable with full zerker because their health pool is 2/3 the size of a mesmer’s.

Write were i say shadowpass claim? Write where I " Don’t put words in other people’s mouths for rhetorical points". I ask a question. do a question have to be claim? Do a question have to be from other people mouth? What are you talk about “rehetorical point”? Write where i say i “refuse to consider and acknowledge”. Why when i write in forum and post always give you problem? I do not ask you question so why i bother you? Yes other player can answer question but when i write, it make you mad and make you rude attitude, so what is wrong? After you reply with rude attitude; you give suggestion. Are you ok? If i always write and make you mad and make you bad attitude; do not reply; very simple than you can be ok.

shadowpass.4236:

AnniMira.2506:

“critically hits you for 10,414 using [Backstab]” – I had full health.

I have lvl 80 mesmer. Full zerk – exo armor, ascended trinkets. Anything non-zerk would have less damage. Max crit hit I have done is about 2,000. How to get 10,414 in a split second with mesmer?

So far best weapon (of mesmer) against the thief is the Moa bird. But you may know how hard it is to get invisible thief as target for the whole cast time. Specially if thief surprises and instakills.

lmao.

Ok first off, you are running a full zerk mesmer (light armored class). It doesn’t matter if you are ascended or not, ascended zerk adds no defense regardless.

And you are talking about 2 different classes. Thieves can 1 shot with backstab. Mesmers can 1 shot with shatters.

shadowpass, can i ask you question; i hear all the time, “because you run zerk”, so why is wrong for other class to wear zerker and thief not? Is ok for only thief wear zerk and not other class?

All mmo game i play have trinity; not guild war 2. Trinity give each profession support roles in party; healer, tank etc.. Guild Wars 2 not have trinity is broken; some class have trinity and some do not; xample; Elementalist, thief, warrior, engineer are trinity class and ranger, guardian, mesmer are not at all. Why also trinity is good? Trinity is good for keep game healthy and fun. Trinity keep game a little slow but not too fast. Trinity is good to help each profession take time to learn strategy and learn from mistake.

But Guild Wars 2 like karukurt say; is about zerk. Why zerk is bad for guild wars 2? Zerk do not keep game healthy and fun. Zerk make game very fast; too fast and boring. Zerk is reason for instant kill+critical attack trait. When i first join in wvw; not even join in few minute; i died in second. I did not understand how i die so fast. I ask other player and they say it was thief. Because thief is wear zerker gear and with critical traits so why i instant die.

So that is problem with zerker. It is sad like Karakurt say, zerk kill boss fast. I see in pve that and feel sad than laugh. Boss should be hard, toguh and challenge and need use strategy and learn to kill. Why are they boss if they die fast? Boss should fight for challenge; not die fast. Why are they boss if they do not have time to use strategy? I feel sad for boss who die fast. I find same problem in wvw; zerk kill player fast, player do not have time for strategy because zerker= fast kill with instant kill class.

That is why i like trinity and trinity win and zerk lose. Trinity= Challenge and Zerk= No challenge. Trinity make you think and Zerk make you go fast kill. I agree with Karakurt.

Galen Grey.4709:

Simzani.4318:

- 3 maps, one for each modes
- One class
- One new weapon by class
- Guilds hall
- Useless masteries system outside the new map

3 years to devellop that. They really were doing nothing since launch. Such a shame.

They didnt say 3 maps, they said 3 biomes. in Gw2 currently we have like 5 maps per biome

they also didnt say the new masteries are only usuable in the new maps, the lore ones probably yes but glinding can be useful everywhere.

there are also new skills, the specializations, precursor crafting, new WvW map with new mechanics, New PvP mode.

And we just know the overview, we need to know the details before we can judge something like this.

I agree with Simzani and some with you. If player base have to wait 2 years-3 years for expansion; it should have more. 2 years-3 years wait expansion should be more. I read guild war 1 expansion; Eye of North and it had more than guild wars 2 expansion in 2 years. See> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guild_Wars:_Eye_of_the_North

Guild war 1 expansion list-Eye of the North

1. 41 new armor sets, including rare, stand-alone pieces
2. 100 new profession-specific skills (10 per profession, none of which are elite)
3. 50 new PvE only skills including 3 elite skills
4. 10 new heroes
5. 18 Dungeons
6. 124 new quests
7. The Hall of Monuments+ 4 new pets for ranger profession
8. 4 new regions

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https://heartofthorns.guildwars2.com/en

Guild wars 2 expansion list-Heart of Thrones

1. 1 New Stytem- The Mastery System
2. 1 New World- The Heart of Maguuma
3. 1 New Profession- Revenant
4. 1 New Mechanic- Specializations
5. Guild Halls
6. 1 New PvP Game Mode- Stronghold
7. 1 New Map- Borderland

Guild War 1 release date- April 28, 2005
New Expansion; Eye of North release date- August 31, 2007

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Guild Wars 2 release date- August 28, 2012
New Expansion- Heart of Thorns release date- soon announce- 2015

Galen; may have more detail for new expansion before release date??

I play f.f 14, wow, tera, bS, Archeage, Rift and beta; bless online and black desert. They all have Sunshine:OP balance patch interval suggestion for gw2. 2 weeks-4 weeks; they release balance patch. Game company keep communication with player base about what wrong with game and they make adjustment. Communication with company and player base help improve game and keep good relation with company.

When i am new to game and find problem already; i read past note/forum/posts and see if problem was there before. I read guild wars 2 past forum/posts and find problem never fix- Example; https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/The-thief-and-its-gameplay-Your-feedback-Merged/first
Yes i have problem with thief and that why i look in past to see if problem was already there and fix or not; I find problem still not fix and still is present. Present for 2 years? What is going on for each 6 month balance patch?

I read new balance patch https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/preview-of-upcoming-balance-changes/ and still no adjustment or fix for old problem?

If arena net do not want to make adjustment of fix old problem, why not tell player why ? Is game company job for give some answer to player base problem. Not giving answer and waiting too long is bad relation with company with player.

If player base wait this long 6 month for balance patch; the player base expect huge adjustment and huge fix from company; arena net; not tiny adjustment and tiny fix and hurt relation with player base and game.

I read past balance patch and Surprise see only have 1page- 2 page = tiny patch. 6 month balance patch should have 4 page-10 page= huge patch.

That is why i like and agree with Sunshine;OP suggestion to make easier for arena net for not wait 6 month but 2 weeks. It will help arena net relation with player base and game for guild wars 2 present-future for work together to fix problem and adjust problem and make guild wars 2 better

Arena net need install zerker damage limit for each class and dungeon boss. The easy suggestion is limit zerker damage for each class and dungeon; boss. Example; warrior zerk damage limit= 3.5k, thief=1.7k, ranger=1.5k, guardian=3.3k, elementalist=1.5k, engineer=1.5k, mesmer=1.7k . For dungeon boss= 2k damage limit. No Limit= Always damage Op/high problem. If was zerker damage limit; there would no problem with Zerker Op/high damage problem.

I never understand why player leave wvw and log out game. So today i find why. There were 5 troll thief player in stealth killing player when try leave EB main camp to go Sm. I die all time but ok i say, i will try harder. I try harder than always in instant. Each time thief player health is 90% lower; thief stealth and health 100%. After 30 minute i saw player in party/zerg and guild leave wvw and some log out game. I said wow!, 30 minute waste just to find 5 thief player and kill.

Stealth is not make player play wvw and guild wars 2 because waste time. Why waste time when all you do is die and find stealth player? After find stealth player for so long time, the time waste could be use for strategy and learning in wvw.

I wait for 45+ minute until other server thief player find thief and kill them. 45+ minute to wait for use time for wvw? 45 minute for play wvw?

For thief player; is it ok for waste other player time who want use constructive time for wvw? All time you waste for other not stealth player, they could use time for help other player; like new player in wvw who want learn and explore wvw; Example; me and other player

Suggestion; Give each main camp NPC Guard+Boss 3600 (1200+1200+1200) range weapon for instant kill stealth player

Suggestion 2; Make stealth player not stealth close keep 3600 range (1200+1200+1200)

So other not stealth player use time for wvw and not leave wvw and log out game

Distaste.4801:

Low damage is funner than high damage because it takes more skill and becomes more about tactics. HIgh damage is about who attacks first. This is evident in part by how badly SPvP has failed and how berserker centric PvE is. ArenaNet has also done a horrible job of balancing damage, mitigation, healing, conditions, and mobility, which makes people choose the most OP option. At they very least the might nerf is a teeny tiny step in the right direction. Being able to bunker up and have high damage isn’t something that should be possible because it kills the balance for berserkers. On the other hand a berserker shouldn’t be able to one shot any class regardless of how they are built. This game could safely halve the current damage and fights would be all the funner for it.

Excellent discription.

coglin.1867:

DarkSyze.8627:

Bertrand; So you say tanky gear is answer for not instant kill? Do Super Class use tanky gear for not instant kill? No! So it is ok for them to not use tanky gear and wrong for other class to not use them? I find funny because like rich example; rich say to poor, “It is fault for not have more”? who control instant damage? Thief, Elementalist and Engineer.

There is no “super class”, there is only your personal inability to handle a glass cannon build. You should really learn to accept some responsibility here.

No, some do not use tanky gear, and they can die just as fast as you. Any profession can make a very quick killing glass cannon. It is about builds, not professions.

Your analogy is horrible in my opinion, this is nothing like comparing a wealthy person to a poor person.

You should either gear for more defense, or trait for more defense. Otherwise, you get a build with little defense, and hence, your problem.

Thief Traits http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/List_of_thief_traits

Shadow Arts

1. 10 stealth efect. < source of many stealth; why so many?

Acrobatics

1. 3 Dodging efect
2. 2 Swiftness effect

Trickery < source of Instant High Damage

1. 6 stealing effect
2. 4 increase effect

Elementalist Traits http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/List_of_elementalist_traits

Fire Magic; <source of high damage 1

1. 4Damage effect
2. 4 Burn effect
3. 2 might effect

Aire Magic <source of high damage 2

1. 3 Gain effect
2. 2 Grant effect
3, 2 Reduce effect
4. Critical effect

Earth Magic

1. 5 Gain effect
2. 3 Damage effect
3. 2 Reduce Effect
4. 4 Condition effect

Water Magic <sourse of high defense

1. 3 Heal Effect
2. 2 Damage Effect
3. 3 Reduce Effect
4.2 Remove Effect
5. 3 Regeneration Effect

Arecane Magic

1. 4 Gain Effect
2. 2 Critic Effect
3. 2 Condition Effect

Engineer http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/List_of_engineer_traits

Explosive;

1. 2 Gain Effect
2. 3 Condition Effect

Fire Arms; <source of high damage

1. 6 Critic Effect
2. 3 Damage Effect

Inventions;

1. 5 Gain Effect

Alchemy;

1. 2 Gain Effect
2. 3 Damage Effect
3. 4 Condtion Effect

Tools;

1. 2 Reduce Effect
2. 4 Condition Effect

No Super Class? take look! why not give same to other class?

Bertrand; So you say tanky gear is answer for not instant kill? Do Super Class use tanky gear for not instant kill? No! So it is ok for them to not use tanky gear and wrong for other class to not use them? I find funny because like rich example; rich say to poor, “It is fault for not have more”? who control instant damage? Thief, Elementalist and Engineer.

Xillllix.3485:

It’s game breaking, but I don’t think they realize it. Stacking immobilize for 20 seconds is also game-breaking…

stack immobilize for 20 seconds? that is why i see player immobilize for a long time? I thought it was class skill, wow!; why arena net not fix bug for how long time?

Jana.6831:

Ok, there are certain classes in this game you can be certain that they are new/inexperienced players.
There is also a class which is chosen by those who are experienced/good. And that class is thief.
So if anyone is new to this game and wonders about thieves they should ask an equally skilled friend to create a thief – I’m certain that the non thief will win. It takes skill to play thief; you don’t lose to thief, you lose to the player.

Problem to other class is how can thief kill and other instant kill damage class; engineer, elementalist kill so fast? The other class who don’t instant kill damage is the one using skill-skills; not other way around.

Why can they not use same instant kill damage and say, “take skill”? Take skill is to be challenge; what is challenge when a class instant kill with high damage? Should be take skills< with s= more skills…. so that why other class see thief, elementalist, ranger and engineer not take skill or use skill.

Other challenge class is skills< with s— using skills to play. Using skills to win= challenge, using skill or a skill to instant win= no challenge.

Example; 1 hour car race— cars are ready to race.. Annoucement “get ready… go”.. cars race than sudden.. see some cars go very fast and win in 1 second-10 seconds. How possible? Investigation; find cars that win race in 1 seconds-10 seconds have a super engine to win.

So did cars used skill or skills to win? Did cars was challenge for other cars in race? Point is, thief, elementalist and engineer class etc… are not create to be challenge like other class. They are not create to win with skill like other class. Today i see thief instant kill some class in seconds; did not give other class chance to challenge because all thief do was repeat same “skill” over and over to instant kill other class.

Last; only way to make instant kill damge class to use skills and be challenge is for arena net to recreate their class over; not nerf but recreate-redesign. Like example car; only way for super engine cars to be challenge and be challenge like other car is to take remake car all over because other car part help super engine. Nerf thief, engineer and elementalist is not enough; it is joke for class and other class who want challenge and fun.

Thief, elementalist and engineer are Super Class; No Competition, No Challenge, No Fun; that is all!!

Example; it is like rich blaming poor for not be rich. Rich have more and blame poor for have little. Rich say to poor, “learn to make more”, “it is your fault for not have more” but who control more? Rich.

If Thief, elementalist and engineer want continue blame other class for not using “skill” and be competition; they should ask arena net to delete other class and make guild wars 2 have only elementalist, thief and engineer; every clss will be same= same instant kill creation, same instant kill design, same instant high damage+same "skill"+Super Class= same challenge.

High damage also in critic and might damage. Why nerf might and not critic damage? Why no nerf for fire/air sigil? Why no nerf to high critic damge traits? This “might damage nerf” is joke to instant kill class, why? fire/air sigil+zerk weapon+critic damage traits is source of instant kill damage class. Is source of not fun; not might only. Instant kill or high damage kill class will switch to critic for other instant high damage kill.

If want fun; nerf all; not one only. If want fun also; fix this very old problem 2012; https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/The-thief-and-its-gameplay-Your-feedback-Merged/first

Can not be serious and laugh same time- serious; fix ALL high damage+very old problem.

Example; if all is guilty, all should be punish. Punish one only make ruling joke= no serious judge

Than can have low damage= fun

coglin.1867:

DarkSyze.8627:

4. Thieves can kill with a burst, but they die pretty easily as well.
If there is something OP is the almost permanent stealth.

Sure, I can agree that perma stealth can be OP. Finally you stated something not only reasonable, but something I can agree with. I do not feel they need a nerf though. There are several things that are OP in the game but do not need nerfed.

DarkSyze.8627:

5. Things that need to go:
Thieves resteathling repeatedly in a short interval.
Thieves moving across the map faster than any other class or any thing that ever lived in gw2.

Your turning your entire post into one giant hyperbole.

DarkSyze.8627:

You should not have multiple get out of jail cards. If you engage in a fight you should tough it out. If you lose..tough luck..learn to play like the rest of us.

hmm, I can beat thieves consistently, as well as most anyone else I know. Including other thieves. Shouldn’t you learn to play like the rest of us?

DarkSyze.8627:

The multiple restealthing has to be fixed either by introducing cooldowns or increasing the initiative requirements.

They did fix this. It is called reveal.

DarkSyze.8627:

Its like monty python chasing a thief around. How can anyone take this game seriously if these glaring imbalances and broken mechanics are still in effect months into the game? The fixes are simple and easy.

You mean you are like monty python chasing a thief around. Though I see it more of a keystone cop situation. But that is do to your lack of understanding about the situation, and not the professions fault.

DarkSyze.8627:

6. Still broken. Perma stealth, repeated stealth. Worst stealth mechanic ever.
Anyone know the name of the person who came up with the stealth mechanic so I never play a game he/she is involved in ?

Feel free to never play this game he/she is evolved in.

DarkSyze.8627:

7. Shrilly-2014 year; There is no true counter for stealth.

PM me in game. Jump on your thief and we will go to a personal arena and test this theory. If stealth is so easy to abuse, I am sure you will kick my tail all over the place right?

DarkSyze.8627:

To balance stealth some of the following should happen…

DarkSyze should learn to play.

Now i would like to repeat that I feel stealth is OP, but your not even being reasonable and definitely not honest in my opinion. You are claiming things as not possible that I literally see occur on a daily bases.

this is quote from the forum player from 2012-2014, not me.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/The-thief-and-its-gameplay-Your-feedback-Merged/first

reason i put here is show that i not “make” claim about thief no challenge class. When i experience problem with a class; i like read past history to find if same problem was there. So i did with thief class and find same problem, even when guild wars 2 release 2012 to 2014;now. I want find out why thief class was not challenge class and other player in forum say same, that is all. (thief class is not only problem class in wvw but use thief class as important example).

I am 1 month from guild wars 2 and find this problem very sad and not fun because it is old problem and never fix. 2 years problem is not fun and not ok for other player and new player who want fun for challenge in wvw.

why make hard for other player who want challenge?
why make hard for other player not have fun?

ngdani.9482:

DarkSyze.8627:

1. A thief can use stealth to drop combat, heal to full automatically, then reengage before their target can drop combat. Even allowing for a brand new weapon to be equipped that’s perfect vs that target. So it’s a free reset for the thief but not for their target.

If a thief resets the fight, the opponent also gets the reset.
That would only make sense if there are other enemy players that have also engaged and are still in range or NPC mobs around.

DarkSyze.8627:

2. A thief can do damage and stay stealthed. If the thief does this properly the target will not realize where the damage is coming from until it’s too late. You can never really know if you are being killed by a stealthed thief or just by an unrendered source. So you cannot simply think “I’m taking damage must be a thief” and respond accordingly because if it’s just the clipping bug then you are equally screwed. (But if you are dead in under 2sec… ya it was a thief.)

The only thief that could do any decent damage while stealthed would be a condi P/D Cheese thief using caltrops,uncatchable etc.. but would they be able to kill anything with out breaking it and dropping sneak attack or a few shadow strikes to stack conditions? no decent player will lose to a thief just stacking bleeds.
If you’re talking about power builds, well then lol, even if you’re a crappy stealth spamming DP thief you cant stay stealthed and do any decent amount of damage. You can usually tell if a thief traits into SA or not, difference of 3/4 second CnD stealth/BP+HS combo, most classes (lolnecro) have blink/mobility skills, the thief needs to allow themselves to let stealth drop off before they execute the next stealth chain attack, therefore learning to time dodges while kiting is important.

DarkSyze.8627:

3. You cannot run away from a thief. It is impossible. The only thing you can hope for is that the thief doesn’t follow you for some reason. They can engage combat at the farthest range by a very large margin. They out-range and out run everything with proper use of shadowstep + other skills.

Thieves are made to finish off lower opponents. However, chasing down opponents comes at a huge cost, if you blow shadowstep/infiltrators/steal to just catch an opponent, that already puts you at a disadvantage, spamming infiltrators arrow will mean you’re gonna be low on initiative. And thats IF the thief is running shortbow.

DarkSyze.8627:

4. Thieves can kill with a burst, but they die pretty easily as well.
If there is something OP is the almost permanent stealth.

Please tell me how you’re able to perma stealth.

Not sure if troll…

4 month September 2014; still work?
Perma Stealth!

coglin.1867:

DarkSyze.8627:

coglin.1867:

If thief can do better, offer video of a thief, and not an engineer.

Take from; https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/pvp/Mesmer-s-and-Thieves-the-cause-of-PvP-s-Meta/first

What does an editorial from another website have to do with the claim your making?

You say i am “make” claim, so here this is Arena net forum; 2 years ago; 2012 to 8 month 2014 on thief class not have challenge; ask all player in forum why “make” claim? Editor from website “make” claim too and arena net?

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/The-thief-and-its-gameplay-Your-feedback-Merged/first

2012-2014 thief check; example;quote-

1. A thief can use stealth to drop combat, heal to full automatically, then reengage before their target can drop combat. Even allowing for a brand new weapon to be equipped that’s perfect vs that target. So it’s a free reset for the thief but not for their target.

2. “A thief can do damage and stay stealthed. If the thief does this properly the target will not realize where the damage is coming from until it’s too late. You can never really know if you are being killed by a stealthed thief or just by an unrendered source. So you cannot simply think “I’m taking damage must be a thief” and respond accordingly because if it’s just the clipping bug then you are equally screwed. (But if you are dead in under 2sec… ya it was a thief”.)

3. You cannot run away from a thief. It is impossible. The only thing you can hope for is that the thief doesn’t follow you for some reason. They can engage combat at the farthest range by a very large margin. They out-range and out run everything with proper use of shadowstep + other skills.

4. Thieves can kill with a burst, but they die pretty easily as well.
If there is something OP is the almost permanent stealth.

5. “Things that need to go:
Thieves resteathling repeatedly in a short interval.
Thieves moving across the map faster than any other class or any thing that ever lived in gw2.
You should not have multiple get out of jail cards. If you engage in a fight you should tough it out. If you lose..tough luck..learn to play like the rest of us.
The multiple restealthing has to be fixed either by introducing cooldowns or increasing the initiative requirements.
Its like monty python chasing a thief around. How can anyone take this game seriously if these glaring imbalances and broken mechanics are still in effect months into the game? The fixes are simple and easy”.

6. Still broken. Perma stealth, repeated stealth. Worst stealth mechanic ever.
Anyone know the name of the person who came up with the stealth mechanic so I never play a game he/she is involved in ?

7. Other games seem to do just fine with stealth breaking on damage or on them doing damage. I don’t understand why Anet feels the need to make stealth far more powerful in this game vs other games who have years of pvp experience…

8. “thieves really haven’t been nerfed in a meaningful way though”.

9. I have no idea how much health he had – but he happily walked in (invisible ofc) dropped one guy to downed, went invisible again (ofc) we started to aoe and rez and stomp – then ofc he went invisible again.
because ofc the godmode invisible insane damage class is perfectly fine /rolleyes.
Noone in this game thinks thieves are balanced – fix it ANET before its too late.

10. Shrilly-2014 year; “There is no true counter for stealth.
To balance stealth some of the following should happen…
-Damaging a stealth player should still reveal the damage numbers where the stealth player is positioned/running/standing..
-If a stealth player attacks another player, and that player blocks/evades the attack. The stealth player should be revealed instantly.
-stealth players should no longer “fade” in. once you are no longer stealthed. a black smoke should appear as you reappear.
-If you have a stealth player targeted before he enters stealth, that target should remain when he unstealths.
and yes, i play a thief, and it’s a broken broken class mechanic”.

So thief class is challenge class after 2012-2014?

coglin.1867:

If thief can do better, offer video of a thief, and not an engineer.

Take from experience player who agree thief need change- https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/pvp/Mesmer-s-and-Thieves-the-cause-of-PvP-s-Meta/first

coglin.1867:

DarkSyze.8627:

Thief player post instant kill play; is after critic nerf?? I can not find critic change; nerf december 20, 2014?

see> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYLPk_tjvs8

What does a glass cannon SD Engineer have to do with a discussion about stealth, and inaccurate accusations about thief?

You said critic was nerfed; here is critic;burst engineer instant kill, and so thief can not do same and better?

SoulSin.5682:

DarkSyze.8627:

wow rogue after many change; nerf become challenge class so why after thief many change; nerf is not challenge class, why?

The word “challenge” here is mostly used by players that don’t play the class in question.
For some reason.

DarkSyze.8627:

wow rogue never was instant kill class but high damage and have too much stealth… so why after 2 year guild wars 2 release, thief change;

Get your facts straight, thieves can’t insta-kill people on Gw2 ever since the Crit Dmg nerf.

PS: I am taking in consideration that you aren’t uplvled, glass cannon and low HP tier class. Because if you are, my Guardian can prolly instant kill you as well.

DarkSyze.8627:

nerf, is very high damage and have many stealth? Why guild wars 2 stealth have no reveal by condition damage and other damage?

What sense does that make?

DarkSyze.8627:

Thief player in party server say thief class nerf is no real nerf at all; no much different; still other class die fast and stealth hide all the time even stealth of object.

That phrase makes no sense.
Then again, like I mentioned in the last page, most players worth a salt are already used to fight against stealth.

DarkSyze.8627:

Blizzard change for rogue class is challenge- no high damage; never instant kill and stealth too much= fun for other player

“fun for the other player”.
Yup, that pretty much defines the whole problem of the class after the nerf.

DarkSyze.8627:

wvw is fun when i play with party and zerg only; i alone= no fun because instant kill waiting,

Wasn’t expecting anything more from you.

Thief player post instant kill play; is after critic nerf?? I can not find critic change; nerf december 20, 2014?

see> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYLPk_tjvs8

wow rogue after many change; nerf become challenge class so why after thief many change; nerf is not challenge class, why? wow rogue never was instant kill class but high damage and have too much stealth… so why after 2 year guild wars 2 release, thief change;nerf, is very high damage and have many stealth? Why guild wars 2 stealth have no reveal by condition damage and other damage? Thief player in party server say thief class nerf is no real nerf at all; no much different; still other class die fast and stealth hide all the time even stealth of object.
Blizzard change for rogue class is challenge- no high damage; never instant kill and stealth too much= fun for other player
wvw is fun when i play with party and zerg only; i alone= no fun because instant kill waiting,

Lazeris.1725:

You know its funny in Other MMO’s Rogues/Thieves/Assassins have permanent stealth and still do crazy damage. I’m really shocked that stealth gets so much hate in this game, it’s really a staple mechanic of every major MMO and Gw2 has a very balanced approach to how stealth is actually used.

I play many mmo’s game with rogue class, what mmo’s game? Name mmo’s game? Player would say unfair and company would change.

Here some Blizzard change to Rogue class

Patch 3.2.2.

1. Fan of Knives: The damage done by this ability has been reduced by 30%.
2. Throwing Specialization: This talent no longer causes Fan of Knives to interrupt spellcasting.
6. Honor Among Thieves: A 1-second cooldown is now enforced on how often a rogue can gain combo points from his party via this talent.

Patch 4.2.0

1. Cloak of Shadows cooldown is now 2 minutes, up from 90 seconds. In addition, Cloak of Shadows is no longer on the global cooldown.
2. Combat Readiness and Cloak of Shadows now share a cooldown.
3. Stealth now once again begins its cooldown once the rogue leaves Stealth.

Patch 2.3.0

1. If you are in Stealth and try to use an ability that may not be used while stealthed, you will leave stealth and use that ability.

Patch 3.1.2 Bug Fix

1. Shadow Dance: Issues with action bars and ability use arising from using Stealth while Shadow Dance is active have been fixed.
2. Tricks of the Trade: To prevent exploits, this ability can no longer be cast on non-player targets.

This how wow stealth work- maybe arena net can make same if want or better for stealth challenge

1. Stealth is a core rogue ability learned at level five. It prevents other creatures from detecting the stealthed player unless particularly close.
2. Stealth is no longer broken due to falling damage, unless of course it kills the stealthed unit. However, fire damage from camp fires will still reveal it.
3. Stealth is not invisibility. You can be detected by others. Monsters that detect you may stop in their tracks and turn to face you, or attack you directly. Players that detect you will hear a sound, and will be able to target you. The chance of detection increases as you get closer, but also depends on the viewing angle (stand right in front of an enemy and you can guarantee they’ll see you), the relative levels, and any perception or subtlety modifiers.
4. Taking any action such as looting or attacking will remove stealth. There are a few exceptions, such as [Distract], or [Pick Pocket]. Also as of patch 2.1.0, sapping an opponent does not remove the rogue’s stealth.
5. Most damage taken (including from AoEs or DoTs) will remove Stealth. However, fall damage will NOT remove Stealth.
6. Fear AoE’s and certain other AoE’s will remove Stealth.
7. Enemies much higher in level will tend to see through Stealth from quite a distance
8. Enemies you are in front of will see through Stealth as you get closer.
9. You cannot enter stealth while in combat. However, Rogues can use [Vanish] to equivalent effect. Note that if you have a DoT the Stealth will break the next time it damages you.
10. It is possible to eat and enter stealth, to reduce your chance of being seen while eating. This is useful, especially during PvP, where a certain crit can be fatal, or when going afk for a few minutes while restoring health.

I care for pve and pvp because is challenge; challenge= fun. If talk about wvw; challenge ok until instant kill by instant kill class; no challenge= not fun.

X T D.6458:

agreed, it can be dealt with and although frustrating its here and nothing can be done about that. And although Im not the best and fighting thieves I have killed more then have killed me so Im good with that, they are predicatable and although usually a complete waste of time, a joy to kill

You can not predict the unseen yet the unseen see you.

Narkodx.1472:

DarkSyze.8627:

I write about same before. Instant kill is not challenge play. I saw thief instant kill other player in less 30 second; i saw elementalist instant kill other player in less 30 second, i saw engineer instant kill other player in less 30-60 second; i saw ranger instant kill in less 1 minute; i do not know why these class are not make challenge and in wvw?

Before join gw2 i read wvw for fight against other player so i want to experience. I level fast to join wvw and was surprise by class that have no challenge. First time in wvw; i was instant kill and not know why die fast? I try change to bunker and still instant kill.

Last; why is fair for instant kill class to play all build but other class not? All time i hear; play bunker, use more defensive, use more buff foods but why not other instant kill class?

If i play challenge other class should do same; no excuse, no cheat, no fault for not play challenge.

Suggestion 1; remove instant kill class in wvw. Than wvw is challenge.
Suggestion 2; make instant kill class challenge in wvw. Than wvw is fun

you wot m8!?

English is my second language. I not understand?

I write about same before. Instant kill is not challenge play. I saw thief instant kill other player in less 30 second; i saw elementalist instant kill other player in less 30 second, i saw engineer instant kill other player in less 30-60 second; i saw ranger instant kill in less 1 minute; i do not know why these class are not make challenge and in wvw?

Before join gw2 i read wvw for fight against other player so i want to experience. I level fast to join wvw and was surprise by class that have no challenge. First time in wvw; i was instant kill and not know why die fast? I try change to bunker and still instant kill.

Last; why is fair for instant kill class to play all build but other class not? All time i hear; play bunker, use more defensive, use more buff foods but why not other instant kill class?

If i play challenge other class should do same; no excuse, no cheat, no fault for not play challenge.

Example; in fight; use fist and than somebody use stick.. is fight fair? So person who lose by stick is fault? If person lost did not saw stick hit fast to defense; is same fault?

Instant kill= Instant not challenge= Instant Game Over!!

Suggestion 1; remove instant kill class in wvw. Than wvw is challenge.
Suggestion 2; make instant kill class challenge in wvw. Than wvw is fun

JoshuaRAWR.4653:

Offair.2563:

Like it how people get bashed just because their english is not as good as other posters here.

Grammer kittens.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/wuv/New-Player-Scared-of-WvW-with-suggestion

So he goes from near perfect English to “me no like be like you!” in 19 days?

English is my second language; i said already i am student and have people help me. It is not hard understand. No big tree is perfect; need always learn from mistake and try better. Do big tree grow fast in one water? Even rain can not make tree grow fast because take time and big tree need learn to grow. When time ready, i will be same and learn still

Link not work; here is from ign. http://www.ign.com/articles/2015/01/13/is-heart-of-thorns-the-name-of-guild-wars-2s-first-expansion

Tentonhammer; http://www.tentonhammer.com/news/guild-wars-2/guild-wars-heart-thorns-trademark-filed-next-expansion

I think is expansion; other mmo game have and coming with, why not gw2?

Evan Lesh.3295:

If you haven’t played since September, the damage log now has much more robust information. When you open the chat tab filter menu there is an arrow next to the combat channel with more options.

i didnt’t know this; thank you!

Hi. i ask other player in the game why thief class is give long range weapon; pistol, but they say is bad design and do not make sense for thief profession design in mmo game. So i want ask thief here for opinion, if same? Thief class is close range class but why make thief class weapon; pistol have long range? Idea? what advantage than long attack range do pistol have? when i think long range weapon, i think staff and bow and rifle; sniper gun. . when i think close range weapon, i think dagger, hammer, sword, short bow, mace etc.. Also i am think of make thief class when i am 80 level because i like thief close range not long range.

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Pistol

I find very beautiful suggestion; i remember zelda and final fantasy 11 having same. It give life behind character instead chose class, weapon, build and server and world, that all. Lving story is story for game; class and world but having personal living story for character would be beautiful. Like deep personal history history.

I want experience elder dragon history before elder dragon become adult dragon? Maybe also visit elder dragon world and experience as baby-adult?

Maybe arena net can make personal living story for character, class when they were born and grow? and visit there place; like past, family? and maybe visit them have effect on future?

very beaufiful suggestion Balsa

Hi,

I am curious to know why only stealth class have last kill in downstate. Why there not down state skill to attack stealth player in stealth. I look http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/List_of_downed_skills can not find.

1. Suggestion; like supply camp-make not stealth in down state.
2. Give other not stealth class skill to attack stealth in down state.
3. Give other class stealth same in downstate-

Will make downstate challenge for every class.
Challenge= fun

Your opinion?

Jim Hunter.6821:

DarkSyze.8627:

Jim Hunter.6821:

Offair.2563:

Like it how people get bashed just because their english is not as good as other posters here.

Grammer kittens.

I don’t think people are really complaining about his grammer. The complaints are more about the fact he is making qq threads when he can’t even tell what profession he is fighting. When you can’t even tell who is killing you that goes beyond L2P and yet in every one of his threads he claims that everyone that kills him is playing a class that takes no skill or is “no challenge”.

You want me be like you? Want me know everything? I am wrong to write forum and ask question? I thank player for help me explain and understand but what you do is find me everywhere i write and tell me i qq and call me name; i am new player and i want learn, understand? leave me alone ok? I will next time do better; be better player

Go back and read through my previous responses to you in the other threads. When you actually asked a question I gave you advice. However the majority of your posts are basically just a bunch of whining and complaining that anything that kills you is OP.

What’s worse is you taking the stance that you won’t play the classes to learn how to counter them because “they take no skill”, which you clearly can’t know since you’ve never played them.

For kittens sake in 1 thread you actually asked for the removal of all condi’s from WvW except for condi necro…. I’m guessing condi necro is what you play so that’s fine? If you really want to learn and be a better player start playing the classes that are giving you a hard time so you can kittening learn to counter them. Until you do that posting complaints is pointless and no one will take you seriously.

i said to leave me alone; why can’t you understand? Is this ok Arena net? I have many player help me. It take time for me to learn fast; I start guild war 2 for 20 days and trying best. I want to feel safe to ask question and write but I can’t because you always find me.

Jim Hunter.6821:

Offair.2563:

Like it how people get bashed just because their english is not as good as other posters here.

Grammer kittens.

I don’t think people are really complaining about his grammer. The complaints are more about the fact he is making qq threads when he can’t even tell what profession he is fighting. When you can’t even tell who is killing you that goes beyond L2P and yet in every one of his threads he claims that everyone that kills him is playing a class that takes no skill or is “no challenge”.

You want me be like you? Want me know everything? I am wrong to write forum and ask question? I thank player for help me explain and understand but what you do is find me everywhere i write and tell me i qq and call me name; i am new player and i want learn, understand? leave me alone ok? I will next time do better; be better player

TheGrimm.5624:

DarkSyze.8627:

TheGrimm.5624:

Opinion: I would email that one in and not use it, that is an exploit. Main reason I say this is that since that edge of keep is not coded correctly and you shouldn’t be able to stand there. Using that to access the wall when the design is not intending you to do so is what makes it an exploit. Good hunting!

It is not player fault for edge of keep not coded correctly; the player did not use hack to get to edge of keep and wall. I see hacker already fly to keep and go inside wall; this player Not use hack.

Hacking and exploiting are different. An exploit is finding something that isn’t meant to be used in a way its designed, in this case that edge over extending into the open air allowing the OP to aim and use abilities to access the wall. And as I said, my opinion and I would avoid using it.

I understand. Thank You! for explanation. I do not want player ban still. Maybe next time player report to arena net for fix?

TheGrimm.5624:

Opinion: I would email that one in and not use it, that is an exploit. Main reason I say this is that since that edge of keep is not coded correctly and you shouldn’t be able to stand there. Using that to access the wall when the design is not intending you to do so is what makes it an exploit. Good hunting!

It is not player fault for edge of keep not coded correctly; the player did not use hack to get to edge of keep and wall; Arena net can fix. I see hacker already fly to keep and go inside wall; this player Not use hack.

I am wow player also. Wow forum do not talk bad for guild wars 2; every game have good and bad. Wow have some thing guild wars 2 do not have and guild wars 2 have some thing wow do not have. Would be happy if wow player talk bad for guild wars 2? Blizzard and Arena net is different company; you have personal choice to pick which you like.

Not saying i do not want housing, mount, more skill and more end game expansion for guild wars 2 but it is different game; Arena net can make guild wars 2 have same if want.

2 hammer class; warrior and guardian; make sense. Thank You for correction.

Crius.5487:

People who use third party software (e.g. speed hacks, fly hacks, etc..) to modify how they interact with the game are in violation of the End User License Agreement (EULA.) Violating the EULA can result in the user’s account being suspended. If you are not using any of the aforementioned programs and only using tools within the game provided by the game’s developers, you should not have your account suspended.

You correct; no exploit. The game give you, no third party software using.

I’m no troll. I’m student and have help with writing better english. English is my second language and i’m trying best. No everyone write english good; are they trolls? Is wrong for me to get help? Is wrong to write in forum because i’m not write english good?

suggestion; correct my english so i write better

Juba.8406:

are you sure its a Warrior ? or a Guardian using Banish ?

Guardian using Banish Hammer. You right, sorry; when see hammer, always see warrior.

Jim Hunter.6821:

Why is it everything that kills you is “no challenge”? Thieves, condi’s, and now hammer warriors. These are 3 very different fighting styles, maybe the problem is you.

Think, If take 1 skill to do same over and over?

“If you don’t like it, don’t play it.”?? if me no like take train for work, should me no work if far? If me no like water, should me no drink water? starve? if me no like laundry, should me no wash clothes? stay dirty? So if me no like work, should me quit? I no agree with Op say.

But if me Hate, make sense??

Me believe Op is say if you Hate it, don’t play it.; make sense..

Me no like some thing in wvw and is ok. Me can play but no like it still.

sorry english second language

Hi,

I find interesting why warrior hammer hit me around; fly me everywhere and in air like a toy, When hammer hit me, i fall; stun and hammer pick me from floor and throw me around and in air— continue over, over.

No complain; i am interest in know is ok?

Is bug?

I find no challenge if hammer hit and pick you up from floor and throw you in air and everywhere.

I see player fly everywhere and throw around by warrior hammer; find no ok at all.

Guardian Hammer-correct.

Than you die; no challenge.

Sorry, english second language.