Guild Wars 2

Asmodal.6489:

wintermute.4096:

Asmodal.6489:

i seriously dont see why CD should be a rough path. if you do the math dps on carrion wil be higher then knights – given a 100% uptime on burn and you bypass armor and protection boons…

That is a pretty bad comparison to make, because carrion has condition damage as it’s primary and power as secondary, whereas knight’s has only power as secondary and precision as another secondary.

That being said, focussing on condition damage is probably the worst possible way to build a guardian, especially in group content. The classes who are really good at condition damage can put out 3-5 times the amount of condition damage you can, and even those are not really sought after.

Fun fact: all of those nice +x% damage traits don’t actually do anything for the burns, they only ever increase direct damage.

so….
i dont get what you are saying – why is that a bad comparison? its the best you can get since both have two offensive and one defensive stat. which stats would you like me to compare? if condition damage is such a bad thing me “wasting” it on the max stat shouldnt be an issue right?

do you speak from experience or do you just repeat what you read somewhere else? I run a full condition spec and its completely on par with a power/precision orientated spec as well in solo or group play. telling people condition damage is the worst thing in the world is pretty much the same nonesens as was telling people healing power is a waste before the healway guardian came around.

i watch the targets very closely in dungeons and I invite you to do the same… more often then not – if i dont burn them no one else does – at least consistently.

condition damage specs are not thought after because people like big burst numbers and cant understand what sustained damge really is about.

your fun fact is not funny since it has nothing to do with anything. even on chars that run power precision i do not spec those traits since there are always better things to pick – a t least for a guardian.

Your 1 stack of burn(max 1) is not going to do any noticeable damage over time compared to any other classes who specialize in conditions, and certainly a drop in the bucket compared to zerk builds.

Unless they make burning stackable, condition guardian is not a viable alternative in any type of play.

Krag.6210:

If we’re talking how high can 20 AR save me from dying on Jade Maw, then 29 is the max, no problem going higher though but people might have to res you on Jade Maw.

Jade Maw agony will not kill you if you have 20 AR in fotm 29.

Bunzy.8674:

I am currently leveling an alt necro and was doing some theory crafting for 80, however I am unable to find out what the maximum condition damage.

Can somebody help me please.

You can probably achieve the max by going full rabid gear with 6x runes of undead.

Condition damage is the single most useless stat for guardians to have.

Leo Paul.1659:

How far will 20 agony resistance (from 4 ascended items) get me in fotm? Will i be able to do at least level 20? I can’t farm vials and globs fast enough to get shards for infusion. And the backpiece costs too much to infuse. T_T

You can get up to 29 with no problems.

COF is not hard at all. On any path.

It’s only hard if your team is utterly bad. (Far below average.)

Unless they made burning stackable behind my back last I checked condition damage is the worst possible way to go on a guardian.

EvilMonkey.3810:

Hey, first I like the idea of not using AH as core, but I am not that sure, if your build is viable for me an its too expensive to just test it, but

And a second “Rune of Sanctuary” does not increase your boon duration…

Yes it does. You are probably thinking of the wrong grade.

I would rather see redundant stat gears.

Like Power/Power/Power.
Or Power/Power/Precision.

Would provide a way for some fringe builds.

Maestro.5376:

DeathPanel.8362:

Serkev.5736:

yes i did kitten 1 out of 4 guys off but does that warrant a kick especially after running the entire dungeon with them. the kick system clearly needs to be fixed it should require 4 votes instead of 1 and after a certain point in the dungeon kicking should not be possible at all. you know i’m right

The moral of the story is treat teammates with respect and this will most likely not happen.

If even 2 people in the group are “together” (whether part of the same Guild, on each others’ friends list, etc) you have the potential to be kicked at the final boss to let their other friend/guildmate/etc. join and reap the benefits of killing the final boss. This is an issue that needs to be addressed.

This very very rarely happens because people in general are not (insert profanity here).

A majority of the times people do get kicked before the end it’s due to them getting their team mad in one way or another.

Xersis.3478:

You all are misinterpreting this post anyways. Seems to me he/she is saying that elitist/perfectionist turned him into one. Seriously people, try to read between the lines. Most of you are totally missing the point here. I for one see it… kitten I am glad I ain’t an elitist or perfectionist. I just enjoy whats left of the kitten game.

You are the one that failed to read between the lines.

The point is he’s not an elitist but an uninformed charlatan pretending to be an elitist.

He learned all the wrong lessons after being kicked from his teams for legitimate reasons that he didn’t understand and is now inflicting his ignorance on others for illegitimate reasons.

50k hp is impossible in gw2. This OP guy is blatantly lying.

Serkev.5736:

yes i did kitten 1 out of 4 guys off but does that warrant a kick especially after running the entire dungeon with them. the kick system clearly needs to be fixed it should require 4 votes instead of 1 and after a certain point in the dungeon kicking should not be possible at all. you know i’m right

The moral of the story is treat teammates with respect and this will most likely not happen.

Kirbyprime.2645:

Fun fact, at 48, the part where you farm dredge trash and that Champion takes roughly 22 minutes if you do the pull trash to gate way.

That way don’t work very well.

You can easily pull the boss to the back pipes area and kill him solo then just simply spam kill the dredge trash mobs at their spawn point.

Lolita.7146:

From my personal experience, I used to be kicked a dozen times for No Zerker gears, No Ascended gears, No Agony Resistance, or lack of skills. People did even kick me at the very end of Jade Maw boss (Fotm) after 90-minute-live-and-die-together because they found me suck. Anyway, that was the past.

Now i learned: In order to be the boss in this game, you have to be extremely serious. I learned to become Group leader all the time. I kicked out every single noob/newbie or anyone with less than 1000 Achievement points that i meet in group. Running CoF without Zerker gears? Instant Kick. Fotm level 15 without AR? Instant Kick. You are Rangers? Instant kick, too. Less than 5 exotic gears? Yay probably i will kick ya.

During 8 hours of playing GW2 everyday, almost everything i said is: Gear check pls. People may blame me for being harsh, but do they know why i am harsh and who taught me to be harsh? =/

Surely I am not the only one outthere. Perfectionism is a contagion. It is spreading and will keep spreading unless the authority do something. Remember the time when no one knew about CoF speed run, Fotm was not yet released, Dragons with few people and no Overflow, no lagging like hell. It WAS so much fun.

I wonder when they release new contents in the future, what will those thirst-for-gold (including me probably) become. Monster maybe?

So this is the question: Is the community getting less enjoyable? What do you think?

P/s: Some nice guys asked me: You can decide not to be a perfectionist, can’t you? I say yes. But the fact is more and more people are becoming like me, while it is true that being perfectionist gives you much much more golds in Dugeon runs. I myself realized I don’t want to be perfectionist at all, but I want golds, too.

Some trivial thoughts of mine

You have some fundamental misunderstandings.

You most likely:

Got kicked from COF zerker ONLY farm teams for joining without zerks.
Got kicked from FOTM 20+ requiring AR for not having AR.
Got kicked at the end of Jade Maw for having a bad attitude and abusing your teammates in chat.

Now you’ve turned around after learning all the wrong lessons and kick people for all the wrong reasons. I certainly doubt any thinking team would second any of your kick votes since they are baseless.

You’re not a perfectionist, you are a charlatan.

Shadow Order.7258:

Is too kitten long! You know it’s not a tough place but I have better kitten to do then listen to dredge squeek as I am forced to farm them for 45 minutes. Whenever it pops up, even if it is the 3rd fractal, I leave group. Am I a bad person?

Yeah you’re bad if you leave just because you got Drege.

Resonance.4216:

Anyone who comes in here to tell me to use an external website to mimic a function that’s integral to the game can save their time and not post. Guild Wars 1 and every other MMO which utilised a party system had an LFG working on launch day.

So ArenaNET, why no LFG?

It’s actually not as easy as you think to integrate it into the game.

Also, since there is already an external website for this this is basically a problem with a workaround and probably not too high on ANET’s priority list.

Biscuithammer.8615:

DeathPanel.8362:

Puandro.3245:

DeathPanel.8362:

It makes perfect sense. It’s called game progression. You are not at that level therefore you don’t get the loot from that level.

But you are actually doing that level…..

OP its to make it so you keep running the content longer. I detest blocked game progression. If im skillful enough to do it then i should get the reward.

Yeah but your personal level isn’t progressed to that point. Game progression in this case is your personal level.

Being able to do that level even if it’s higher just means you get an additional opportunity to level up your progression. It’s a change ANET made in order to encourage more teams doing fractals because previously everyone had to be the same fractal level or higher to do a fractal.

No one is blocking your game progression. Your statement is inaccurate.

Blocking means you are stopped. You are not stopped from progressing through the fractals levels in this case and attaining loot at the appropriate time.

The problem I have with this argument is that you become a burden to other people in your guild if you aren’t already at the right level and it’s a pretty unreasonable grind to have to gain the levels NECESSARY TO GRIND. I can’t be alone in thinking that’s totally insane, right? Heck, and for all I know that STILL won’t solve the problem. If you’re level 12 and you join a level 20 game will you gain pristine fractal relics?

Wrong. The only thing unreasonable is your expectation that you should be allowed to skip progression because you feel like it while others including those in your guild have had to spend time to go through it the normal way.

kipz.8701:

Since AC is now a pain to run (gold/time taken) what are you guys running instead?

The dungeon group I run with are running TA now instead.

AC isn’t a pain to run.

The only place where it might be annoying is p3 boss if the npc glitch out.

Farming Flats.5370:

Im disappointed with in game attitudes from other players that their sole purpose is to harm other players…

3 simple example :

1 – Dropping a mesmer portal under a Boss/Dragon chest , so if your not careful you activate the portal instead of getting your loot so you get port to another place with the stupid mesmer laughing at you…. ok this is getting annoying and it is now a old Joke. please drop this.

2 – Eternal battleground JP puzzle , you can battle foes there yes. It is a players vs players map. But sometimes everyone is peaceful and you can reach the chest .. but sometime there is ONE player in stealth mode that knock you off to prevent you from getting the chest ON PURPOSE. Even some opposite players help you out getting to the top and show you the way … but knock you / kill you when you are about to get the chest ON PURPOSE.

3 – You fighting for your life getting a skill point challenge … then another player aggro some other monsters in range and drop them on you and leave making thing worst for you … sometime if you die and they are jumping on your dead body .. of course they dont rez you and leave…

this is only 3 example but we can continue all day ……

I tend to reduce my play time on week-end because there is more of this childish behavior.

1. Mesmer portal isn’t that long range, it’s not like the chest will despawn by the time you get back.

2. It’s what happens in a pvp zone, learn to deal with it and work around.

3. Rarely happens, but you can always reset the fight and come back to deal with the skillpoint when there are less adds. If the same guy is doing that on purpose specifically against you then you’ll need to report.

Terrible idea. It would just mean people will simply farm mobs for tokens in difficult dungeons and reset before bosses to do again.

Why not trait empowering might instead of the 30 in the first line?

Wouldn’t that have more synergy with your crit stat and your boon duration runes and grant you more hp so you can gear more berserkers for dps rather than splashing vit in your gear?

I believe the might stacks that it gives also trigger AH, which would yet another synergy with your AH variant above.

Incomingray.8075:

Why do I have to “take maximum advantage of my dps build”?

You don’t have to do anything. My statement was stating how in order to take maximum advantage you’d have to do that.

Obviously if you feel like using low dps weapons in a dps centric build then that’s your prerogative. I merely pointed out your dps as a % of the total team dps is not going to be very stellar if you go that route.

At the end of the day it’s up to you to decide what to gear for yourself. I’m just stating my opinion that I don’t find your reasoning to be convincing.

Incomingray.8075:

Any dps focused build can only go GS/Sceptor + Torch to take maximum advantage of your dps.

This particular sentence makes no sense to me, why can’t I mix scepter and staff on a ranged fight? Quick example bloomhunger, boon duration food, use projectile blocking, everyone together in same area, stack might with staff switch to scepter and dps, back and forth, full berserker, where’s my lack of support? I don’t see what’s the problem.

Note I said “to take maximum advantage of your dps build”.

If you are using low dps weapons then your damage output as a % to your team is going to be low anyway despite your gear.

IVIUIEI.9631:

Who’s got level 80 on all their 8 characters in all the professions? I’m on my way to be doing that. I think GW2 is a unique game with different style in each different profession. So far I’ve got two 80s, one with the legendary Twilight, 40, 24, 16, and 2, 2, 2. This game will be here for a long, so why not.

I do. Now going for all ascended acc for all of them.

Labyrinth.7201:

DeathPanel.8362:

Labyrinth.7201:

I started off getting just the pieces I was missing. Just a few lvl 60-70 greens needed replacing. Everything else was 78+ masterwork/rare stuff I farmed from meta/story.
I’m working towards knights gear right now… I was looking for which dungeons dropped that gear, and the only ones I saw were the Orrian gear from Arah.. Ran arah P3, and it took my group almost 2 hrs to complete. I know I have some boss mechanic learning to do, and I don’t have the coin to buy a box of the gear from the TP. I ran the event chain in Orr for about an hour and got events and my monthly done for enough karma to buy a full set of 42k/piece gear. Any karma vendors sell knights ex?

There are no knight karma vendors.

Hopefully you bought only the PVT pieces from the different shrines. (If you bought them all at 1 shrine you will get a mix of random stats and that will not help.)

I haven’t gotten anything yet. I was just waiting to see what I should start off with. As of right now, I am in full knights rare. I’m wanting knights/zerk combo. Since I’m still learning boss mechanics, should I stick with knights armor and zerk trinkets or should I get full PVT gear and try to learn fights with more exp players?

Full knights is decent. I was just saying if you were to go for the karma vendor pvt gear you have to buy them from the different vendors at different shrines because the stats on the different slots for the gears are mixed.

Houston. The landing has failed. I repeat, the Landing has failed.

Labyrinth.7201:

I started off getting just the pieces I was missing. Just a few lvl 60-70 greens needed replacing. Everything else was 78+ masterwork/rare stuff I farmed from meta/story.
I’m working towards knights gear right now… I was looking for which dungeons dropped that gear, and the only ones I saw were the Orrian gear from Arah.. Ran arah P3, and it took my group almost 2 hrs to complete. I know I have some boss mechanic learning to do, and I don’t have the coin to buy a box of the gear from the TP. I ran the event chain in Orr for about an hour and got events and my monthly done for enough karma to buy a full set of 42k/piece gear. Any karma vendors sell knights ex?

There are no knight karma vendors.

Hopefully you bought only the PVT pieces from the different shrines. (If you bought them all at 1 shrine you will get a mix of random stats and that will not help.)

Incomingray.8075:

DeathPanel.8362:

If you go boon duration+ runes with that trait and gear setup you’d end up with something like 12k or lower hp and no ability to remove conditions from yourself or your teammates. (No soldiers runes, no pure of voice trait) You are essentially a dps warrior with half the hp and less damage.

Also, how do you not get 1 shotted by trash mobs in fotm 20+ with that setup? (Not all mobs have telegraphed red circles for attacks that you can dodge…)

I’ll be honest I don’t see where conditions are that big of a problem in FOTM, I do lev 40’s and 38’s all the time, on the Ascalon/Dredge and some other trash I put on a few pieces of toughness/vitality and it’s not anything like a dps warrior because I have wall of reflection, shield punt, protection buffs, on and on… stuff like WoR and spamming blind/vulnerability with VoJ help alot and just good dodging, duck in and out, pull, aoe, dodge, spam blind, rinse repeat, dodge and signet heal.

I don’t run boon duration runes in fotm though, I just don’t see why you can’t and still be dps slanted, you’d be surprised how much condition removal you can do with torch #5 on the rare fights where conditions are a big problem or the condition removal consecration, I use those on the colossus guy if someones having a hard time avoiding for example, while wearing full berserker pretty much… after alot of FOTM runs you can get really good at avoiding damage completely, i’m sorta slowly working on a video to demonstrate.

It is kinda scary sometimes, you do go 100% to 5-10% alot on some of the trash with low hp, just gotta use stuff like renewed focus and utilities and dodge well. (I try to get 14k hp at least on the tough trash esp at 40, that’s just what works for me) I’d only go full tilt 100% berserkers on the very avoidable boss fights.

It’s a difference in opinion regarding how to contribute dps.
Any dps focused build can only go GS/Sceptor + Torch to take maximum advantage of your dps.

Stacking 12 might stacks every 20 seconds at +%boon duration to the whole team with staff contributes far more dps to the team than what you are doing.

And before you claim you can do the same, consider that while you are doing Staff #4 you are actually not attacking, which totally negates your dps gear.

Meanwhile, the survivability is higher on a support build. You yourself admit that trash mobs sometimes reduce you from 100% to 5-10%.

In the same situation the trash mob would do far less damage to a pvt/knight or cleric geared guardian and the cleric based guard could recover to full by just hitting a F1-F3 or dodging a few times while you would be stuck evading and waiting on your heal CD and hoping you won’t get hit again which means you are losing dps.

Eiken.6821:

Hey,

I have a thief up to 80, and as much as I love him, I’d like to have another character to bring to the table as well since my friend is a thief as well that I run things with on a daily basis.

I really am only interested in doing dungeons (including fotm but all in general)

I am stuck on what alt to make and have narrowed it down to Guardian or Mesmer. I do enjoy the idea of support/tank/heal, though, I know that this game runs different than a true ‘healer’ which is what has me between the two. I know mesmers can be useful as well, just in different ways.

I was curious to get insights from others who might have both of these or have had the debate themselves. I did make both and attempt to play in the mists a bit, but it doesn’t give me much of a taste for dungeons since they are completely different.

Any input would be amazing!

((If I do go guardian, it will be vit/tough support for sure, though the lack of range is stumping me a bit))

Make both, then switch your main to one of them.

You will not regret it…

VidGhost.3215:

DeathPanel – If he doesn’t have the money and he just go to level 80 with low level items, armor.. The best thing to do is at least deck himself out with level 80 green items before he starts to FARM .. or dungeon run to get the tokens, gold or karma he needs to get exotic stuff! This will not only save many many hours but will also make things so much easier because at least he will have the top level 80 “cheap” gear to start with

Trying to save that 80 Silver is just not worth it if it makes him crippled..

This is inaccurate.

Main story quests lvls 70-80 gives some rares that are better than masterwork lvl 80s by default, while he very likely has others from drops along the way so telling him to buy a full set of masterworks is not only a waste of coin but it is not going to be an upgrade most likely.

Also, Dungeon and karma gear costs no coins and can be obtained fairly easily and he could make alot of coins doing that.

You don’t need all lvl 80 masterworks to be able to run some of the dungeons. Knowledge of the mechanics and the traits and skillpoints you get by virtue of being 80 is more than enough. (I also mentioned that lvl 70-80 story quests give rares that are sometimes better than lvl 80 masterwork anyway)

There are some exceptions where it will be very tedious if you are not properly geared but he could still do AC (p1,p2) fairly easily for soldiers gear and build himself up from there.

With the coin he earns he can then either purchase the jewelry or max his own jewelcrafting to craft his jewelry himself to finish his build.

Puandro.3245:

DeathPanel.8362:

It makes perfect sense. It’s called game progression. You are not at that level therefore you don’t get the loot from that level.

But you are actually doing that level…..

OP its to make it so you keep running the content longer. I detest blocked game progression. If im skillful enough to do it then i should get the reward.

Yeah but your personal level isn’t progressed to that point. Game progression in this case is your personal level.

Being able to do that level even if it’s higher just means you get an additional opportunity to level up your progression. It’s a change ANET made in order to encourage more teams doing fractals because previously everyone had to be the same fractal level or higher to do a fractal.

No one is blocking your game progression. Your statement is inaccurate.

Blocking means you are stopped. You are not stopped from progressing through the fractals levels in this case and attaining loot at the appropriate time.

Dagoth Kuam.6738:

I’m going to reiterate this even further as we have not heard anything back on this.

After 11 wipes with two completely different party configurations, we decided that we could not beat the mechanic, not the boss.

As many have indicated, no matter the distance between the Rumblus and Grast, he went charging in with 50% health on every subsequent attempt. When the rocks started falling, the following happened:

- Grast was knocked down and didn’t cast a bubble upon getting up
- Grast simply didn’t cast the bubble
- Grast cast the bubble when the rocks stopped and kept it up until the rocks began falling the following attack, then resumed normal attacks on the boss
- Grast actually did the bubble correctly (a fraction of the time)
- Grast died

Something must be changed with the mechanic. As many have indicated, more often than not the success of the mission is in the hands of an unreliable NPC. If he is so key, why is he not invulnerable? It is not like his meager DPS is going to make a difference in the fight.
Another option would be to give a weapon/object that has a skill of casting the bubble (think Cultist Hammer from Fractals). Then, it is on one of the party members to ensure survival for the team. This maintains the mechanic and the exact same endstate for ANet’s dungeon, but is more reliable.

In all honesty, what was wrong with the dungeon before? Was it too easy? Because I can think of other dungeon runs that are far easier than the AC ones, even to the point that since the patch I have taken AC off my list of dungeons to try to run every day.

I think it needs to be mentioned that ANET has stated p3 boss needs to be interrupted.

However there’s a slew of problems that come with that as well.

He generates defiant stacks after each time he is interrupted.

He sometimes shout almost immediately after being interrupted anyways when everyone’s interrupts are on CD due to his multiple defiant stacks.

penatbater.4710:

Just like to say, soooo annoying. But after 13s of repairs, we finally managed to do it. What we did was to stack aoe heals and regen. and by Ogdin’s hammer, it worked! :o

I mean, I’m still blown away. Aoe healing. who knew right??

One thing i’d like to suggest is that whatever the npc is doing (charging, knocked down, etc) so long as he’s not dead, he’ll pop the shield bubble along with the falling rocks. this way, people will reliably know grast will pop his bubble and will try their best to heal him up.

This is wrong. I don’t know where you came up with this but it’s totally divorced from reality. You obviously are not being honest here because anyone that’s actually done P3 after the patch knows that doesn’t work.

Regens and heals will not work if the overlapping aoes knockdown and kill your entire team in 2 seconds. Even if you chain stability with 3 guards the raw damage will still kill you.

The only way is if grast deploy the bubble OR you interrupt the boss shout.

The problem is grast’s ai is really shoddy and he doesn’t deploy the bubble half the times and the other half he is in the middle of a long attack animation that causes him to not deploy, at which point the ceiling caves in and knocks down and kills him and the rest of your team.

The problem with interrupt route is unless you have the right classes interrupt his shout is very difficult since after each interrupt he gains a bunch of defiant stacks which makes him immune to interrupt for that many tries.

Sometimes he will just simply shout 3 seconds after being interrupted, while all the team’s interrupts are on CD, at which point you basically are basically stuck trying to dodge and guaranteed to lose 1-2 players if you are lucky to the rocks.

It makes perfect sense. It’s called game progression. You are not at that level therefore you don’t get the loot from that level.

Erector.1458:

Hello everyone. I am here to talk about dungeon difficulty. I contacted support about how overpowering it is for players from regular dungeon level, to level 80. To some people who play this game, they think these dungeons are too overpowering, even with level 80 friends helping you all the way. Also, dungeons can really affect your character’s currency. Do you know how expensive it is to fix armor in a dungeon? VERY expensive, accounting from getting your butt kicked several times from the overpowered dungeon enemies. I tried beating a dungeon with level 80 friends, and we got our butts handed to us. -Sigh- I want people to post their opinions on the dungeon difficulty on this topic. Don’t be afraid to give your opinion about the dungeon difficulty in the game. So, who thinks the dungeons are overpowering or just fine?

Dungeons are one of the biggest sources of coin income in this game. If you are losing money to repairs then you need to re-evaluate your build, your team choices, or your tactics before going to the dungeon you have trouble with again.

Most dungeons are easy if you are lvl 80 and know the mechanics.

GS/Sceptor + Torch.

Maestro.5376:

DeathPanel.8362:

Maestro.5376:

DeathPanel.8362:

Maestro.5376:

DeathPanel.8362:

deSade.9437:

I look forward to seeing the second streak of endless tears on the forum.
ButbutBUT you had the sigils on your WEAPONS! You died ONCE! You’re not in blues!
IT’S NOT FAIR!!!!! AC IS IMPOSSIBLE YOU CHEATED!!!! Wahhhhh….
/pulls hair
It’ll be fun to watch. Both the stream and the forum, I mean. Buena suerte.

This is just a baseline test of whether or not it is POSSIBLE for those levels to do it.

Keep in mind the people in the team already have extensive experience running AC so it’s not a valid test to see whether a normal pug team can do it.

Of course, Anet never intended the explorable mode dungeons to be easily doable with a normal pug team, so I think our run is going to be a fairly good test of how well their intentions have worked out.

Also keep in mind that while we may all know what’s going on in the dungeon, all of us are playing professions that we are unfamiliar with. In other words, we’ve only had 35 levels’ worth of experience playing these characters, and I think only one of us has had actual dungeon experience with his/hers (AC Story so he/she could unlock Ex for us).

Knowing the mechanics and encounters makes a huge difference. Even full teams of 80s with best possible gear can still wipe if they don’t know the mechanics first time around.

Of course. But I’m not sure the dungeons were ever designed to allow players to go through with 0 risk of wiping, even if they knew the encounters. That’s what makes them challenging and fun, after all.

The point is, your team is going in with preknowledge of the mechanics and events of that dungeon as well as preparation time and voice chat.

This gives you an advantage over normal pug teams which usually don’t have very good knowledge meaning it’s not a valid test of whether or not a normal pug team can do it at 35 but rather if it’s POSSIBLE for a lvl 35 team under ideal conditions to do it.

Why are you continuing to insist that it should be possible for a normal pug team in blues to do it? It clearly wasn’t Anet’s intent for that to be possible, as has been their platform from the start.

I never insisted that.

I was just clarifying what your test is for and what it’s not for.

If you fail, then it’s an indication that lvl 35s just simply can’t do it even with organization.

If you succeed, then it means that it’s possible.

But that still doesn’t mean a lvl 35 pug team in a real gameplay situation will be able to do it.

So basically, I was clarifying that your test is what is known as a boundary test.
That’s the clarification.

shadowblazer.5742:

i crafted my self a full set of knight draconic armor as i wanted to have good dps and some tankiness (weapons and rings/amulets are berserker) did i get the wrong set? or will my guardian still be decent enough in dungeons

No, that’s good. It mostly depends on what your trait build is you can make up for some hp with AH build.

If you feel that you want some more hp you can add some ascended soldier’s jewelry.

Incomingray.8075:

DeathPanel.8362:

No one’s arguing that dps isn’t an issue in high end instances. As I’ve mentioned before I have a full berserker set for my guard as backup for specific cases.

The point is guardian dps contribution to a team is not comparable to many other more dps focused classes. The question becomes does the extra damage you gain from dps build guardian outweigh the losses in support/boon duration in that situation.

As a guard you spend most of your time applying boons and cc type skills that are low in damage anyway compared to other classes in that situation you mentioned, so speccing for damage doesn’t actually boost your team’s overall damage % by much if at all while it certainly decreases boons and personal survivability. (Even cleric guards have higher dmg mitigation than zerk guards)

And while mobs will 1-2 shot you in higher lvl fractals, having extra toughness can mean the difference between being 1 shot and surviving.

First of all I have no problem with boon duration stuff, you can have everything be power/precision/crit damage and still have good boons with runes/points in virtues etc., 1h mastery+unscathed defender in something like a 0/30/30/0/10 build is alot of consistent sustained single target damage from far range if you need it with Scepter, you can still put out the same utility as a healer/toughness/vitality Guardian pretty much if all the dodging/red circle avoiding stuff is working out for everyone.

If you go boon duration+ runes with that trait and gear setup you’d end up with something like 12k or lower hp and no ability to remove conditions from yourself or your teammates. (No soldiers runes, no pure of voice trait) You are essentially a dps warrior with half the hp and less damage.

Also, how do you not get 1 shotted by trash mobs in fotm 20+ with that setup? (Not all mobs have telegraphed red circles for attacks that you can dodge…)

Maestro.5376:

DeathPanel.8362:

Maestro.5376:

DeathPanel.8362:

deSade.9437:

I look forward to seeing the second streak of endless tears on the forum.
ButbutBUT you had the sigils on your WEAPONS! You died ONCE! You’re not in blues!
IT’S NOT FAIR!!!!! AC IS IMPOSSIBLE YOU CHEATED!!!! Wahhhhh….
/pulls hair
It’ll be fun to watch. Both the stream and the forum, I mean. Buena suerte.

This is just a baseline test of whether or not it is POSSIBLE for those levels to do it.

Keep in mind the people in the team already have extensive experience running AC so it’s not a valid test to see whether a normal pug team can do it.

Of course, Anet never intended the explorable mode dungeons to be easily doable with a normal pug team, so I think our run is going to be a fairly good test of how well their intentions have worked out.

Also keep in mind that while we may all know what’s going on in the dungeon, all of us are playing professions that we are unfamiliar with. In other words, we’ve only had 35 levels’ worth of experience playing these characters, and I think only one of us has had actual dungeon experience with his/hers (AC Story so he/she could unlock Ex for us).

Knowing the mechanics and encounters makes a huge difference. Even full teams of 80s with best possible gear can still wipe if they don’t know the mechanics first time around.

Of course. But I’m not sure the dungeons were ever designed to allow players to go through with 0 risk of wiping, even if they knew the encounters. That’s what makes them challenging and fun, after all.

The point is, your team is going in with preknowledge of the mechanics and events of that dungeon as well as preparation time and voice chat.

This gives you an advantage over normal pug teams which usually don’t have very good knowledge meaning it’s not a valid test of whether or not a normal pug team can do it at 35 but rather if it’s POSSIBLE for a lvl 35 team under ideal conditions to do it.

pullnointer.1476:

please stop using the word “carried”, it has nothing to do with reality. anet wants us to be able to level however we please(they said it) so I thought I might ask.

You are free to level as you please but you have no authority over how other people choose the form their teams. And if they choose to form their teams without low lvls then it’s their prerogative.

Skigit.3715:

God, I hope they nerf CoF. Maybe then people would be more willing to do other dungeons.

That’s a totally illogical mindset.

Those people will always look for the optimized runs/farms and will simply move to the next fastest run and you’ll be back here again in a couple of months complaining again.

Nerfing and making instances more difficult or tedious to be inline with others is a slippery slope and just makes the game less fun and kills the community.

Alpha.6913:

Is there any revamp planned on this dung? A lot of ppl doing speed runs to get money, lodestones, items and tokens. Its a lot of money if a lot of ppl do this…

Why would you care?

Maestro.5376:

DeathPanel.8362:

deSade.9437:

I look forward to seeing the second streak of endless tears on the forum.
ButbutBUT you had the sigils on your WEAPONS! You died ONCE! You’re not in blues!
IT’S NOT FAIR!!!!! AC IS IMPOSSIBLE YOU CHEATED!!!! Wahhhhh….
/pulls hair
It’ll be fun to watch. Both the stream and the forum, I mean. Buena suerte.

This is just a baseline test of whether or not it is POSSIBLE for those levels to do it.

Keep in mind the people in the team already have extensive experience running AC so it’s not a valid test to see whether a normal pug team can do it.

Of course, Anet never intended the explorable mode dungeons to be easily doable with a normal pug team, so I think our run is going to be a fairly good test of how well their intentions have worked out.

Also keep in mind that while we may all know what’s going on in the dungeon, all of us are playing professions that we are unfamiliar with. In other words, we’ve only had 35 levels’ worth of experience playing these characters, and I think only one of us has had actual dungeon experience with his/hers (AC Story so he/she could unlock Ex for us).

Knowing the mechanics and encounters makes a huge difference. Even full teams of 80s with best possible gear can still wipe if they don’t know the mechanics first time around.

Crnicelad.5924:

I have been searching for 3 days now for a group for Citadel of Flame path 1 and no results. How can a newbie ever start doing dungeons if there are only fractals of high levels that ppl farm. I am playing on Gandara and even my guildies dont seem to be interested in doing CoF1 …

I wonder where can I even start learning how to do dungeons if there is no opportunity for me whatsoever?

For COF P1.
#1: Be lvl 80.
#2: Use GW2LFG.com

Just be sure to let your team know in the beginning you are new and need to know the mechanics and there should be no problem.

deSade.9437:

I look forward to seeing the second streak of endless tears on the forum.
ButbutBUT you had the sigils on your WEAPONS! You died ONCE! You’re not in blues!
IT’S NOT FAIR!!!!! AC IS IMPOSSIBLE YOU CHEATED!!!! Wahhhhh….
/pulls hair
It’ll be fun to watch. Both the stream and the forum, I mean. Buena suerte.

This is just a baseline test of whether or not it is POSSIBLE for those levels to do it.

Keep in mind the people in the team already have extensive experience running AC so it’s not a valid test to see whether a normal pug team can do it.

IndigoSundown.5419:

DeathPanel.8362:

Being a part of a guild and doing guild events requires MORE time spent than just doing dailies, since you are also most likely doing dailies ON TOP of guild events.

Time spent is a cost.

^^^

Maximizing the yield from guild missions is going to impact your time spent — probably more than most people think. Peoples’ ability to maximize the yield of guild missions is going to be impacted by how organized or disorganized the guild is.

In disorganized guilds, you’d better be online a lot. When the mood strikes them, they’ll pop a mission and go. If you’re not on as often as the leadership, you risk being left out. Even in an organized guild, there’s no guarantee that a scheduled mission will fit your schedule.

Exactly. That’s my point. Uninformed people have this whole fantasy about how it would be soooo easy to get guild recommendations when in fact it takes a ton of organization as well as online time to be sure to even take advantage of the mechanic efficiently.

People also don’t realize that you need to pay influence each time per ATTEMPT on top of the cost of unlocking it in the first place, and alot of times those events are no joke.

There are no such things as Logan Thackeray Jokes.

Logan Thackeray IS the joke.

Where’s the link to the video? I am having trouble finding it.