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I’d go for oRNG.

People are already underestimating them(again) and we know how ended the last WTS…

Abjured seems strong as always but their comp is weak compared to oRNG or TCG dunno what china would bring up.
TCG is strong enough to take the cup but tbh I don’t think they’ll win.

ronpierce.2760:

S/D is perfectly fine.

Other things are not fine. We’ve gotta stop always looking to go up, this game absolutely does not need more power creep. S/D does decently, but it gets way overshadowed by SA d/p. D/P SA is also notably lame. Tone it down (in terms of SA, sorry to those who enjoy being lame) and tone down eles and still a few more traits on Mesmers and reassess.

On my Necro I actually have a hard time with SD than DP of not for DP having a get out of jail free card whenever they wanted. They’re also 10x more enjoyable to fight. Don’t ruin that by trying to outmatch your cheese spec, and other obviously over the top specs, friends.

this.

I agree that it needs some tweaks but as Acandis said, SA is the problem being to kitten cheese and making it looks weak.

root problem: SA + dp too cheese.

if they buff acro or sd it will be another “balance” change by anet, they need to tone down SA so we thieves can have another way to play atm.

It would be nice if they revert the nerf to LS to bring back the 2 boon strip tho.

lol the dps is so high after patch that I didn’t even note this.

Cynz.9437:

Once again, it is dmg + CC issue, not stealth.
Secondly, just because mesmers got overbuffed doesn’t mean mechanic itself needs more nerfs.
I fought PU mes and SA thieves, i don’t see how it is any worse than what ele/wars/engis/wars can pull off, really.
I can list many things from other classes and just call them not fair. Shall i?

If you played thief, you would know stealth -> hit -> repeat doesn’t work. Oh wait, you probably just spam evade.

I know you are afraid of another thief nerf, that’s why you’re being so biased so I’ll stop right now.

Did you test s/d now? I don’t think it’s just “spam evade”.

Cynz.9437:

Elxdark.9702:

Cynz.9437:

Elxdark.9702:

penalize stealth for re-applying or stacking.

e.g. 5-2 combo thief or refuge+5+2+ blinding powder.. etc.

But it seems anet love so much the passive play so just stealth wait for your enemy hit them and if you didn’t kill them repeat and you’re good.

those combos can be interrupted easily….
passive gameplay? really? stealth was never passive gameplay

passive gameplay is IP from engis or healing signet from wars…

Read again, I didn’t say stealth was passive play.

I did say stealth stacking is, you literally stack stealth until you know you can hit your enemy and get him but don’t worry if you didn’t kill him you can just re-apply stealth wait some secs take a coffe or smth and hit him again.

That’s what anet needs to remove , stealth is supposed to be a position mechanism, now it’s used as a “safe hit and run, try again doesn’t matter at all”.

How is stealth stacking a passive gameplay? You actively have to use resources to gain/maintain stealth; you also lose point while at it. Also, stealth doesn’t garantee you can hit the enemy. You might actually die while trying to get in position for burst.
Stealth =/= invincibility.
You can’t reapply stealth just easily, there is thing like revealed in this game or are you telling me you just sit here doing nothing and wait untill revealed runs out or don’t bother interrupting any spells that grant stealth?

How can you even say doesn’t matter? Did you even try to play a class that relies on stealth vs any decent team? Please go make a thief and play vs decent team w/o using stealth. Tell me how it went. I would LOOOOVVVVEEE video of that.

It seems you didn’t get my and OP’s point at all.

The main point is stealth is too rewarding and also too strong combined with the dps and sustain that we have atm.

Have you seen any lastest esl? or actually going in ranked and fight vs sa thieves pu mesmers?

What they do? stealth hit, repeat, got them? no problem vamp activated! stealth again hit, repeat, wow I’m still alive and he’s low again I’ll try cath him, wow he goes stealth again and he leaves, k my team needs me in mid im going! home gets decapped wow stealth is such a great mechanic.

K I’ll admit that wouldnt be passive play but lets be honest, in that rotation is there any skill involved? at all? nope, and combined this + high burst + good survavility + extremely good position is not fair.

I know what I’m saying, I play s/d thief even with the nerf and stuff, I can still eat shatter mesmers like there’s not tomorrow, but dp sa is kittened and pu mesmer is annoying.

zero skill involved just stealth hit, repeat.

Cynz.9437:

Elxdark.9702:

penalize stealth for re-applying or stacking.

e.g. 5-2 combo thief or refuge+5+2+ blinding powder.. etc.

But it seems anet love so much the passive play so just stealth wait for your enemy hit them and if you didn’t kill them repeat and you’re good.

those combos can be interrupted easily….
passive gameplay? really? stealth was never passive gameplay

passive gameplay is IP from engis or healing signet from wars…

Read again, I didn’t say stealth was passive play.

I did say stealth stacking is, you literally stack stealth until you know you can hit your enemy and get him but don’t worry if you didn’t kill him you can just re-apply stealth wait some secs take a coffe or smth and hit him again.

That’s what anet needs to remove , stealth is supposed to be a position mechanism, now it’s used as a “safe hit and run, try again doesn’t matter at all”.

penalize stealth for re-applying or stacking.

e.g. 5-2 combo thief or refuge+5+2+ blinding powder.. etc.

But it seems anet love so much the passive play so just stealth wait for your enemy hit them and if you didn’t kill them repeat and you’re good.

rip in pieces lord glaphe.

Nobody will ever understand his level of cancer and also perfectionist, he truly developed beyond aids to become a legend.

Acandis you aren’t even close to him but thanks for sharing this..

Agreed.

And in the run remove air/fire, doom/geo sigils too.

LOL

SlayerSixx.5763:

Elxdark.9702:

SlayerSixx.5763:

Elxdark.9702:

wut I’m still hunting mesmers and even easier than pre-patch.

The only ones that I hate are those infinite pu stealthed s/t kittens.

Thief complaining about perma stealth? Woah, that’s trippy.

I play s/d, no stealth here.

Also yes thieves do have perma stealth which makes them perma useless too, while mesmers have a lot of stealth and still do a lot of damage with great survivability.

Anyway I won’t even care to discuss with people who are biased about their class, so I will say just one thing. Enjoy while it lasts.

Woah buddy, I don’t even have 5 matches on my mesmer.

You decided between perma stealth or a kittenton of teleports/evades. Seems like its the same thing to me.

I won’t argue the difference in survivability between a mesmer and a thief, but in terms of mobility, thief wins by a long shot. The DPS and CC is exactly the same (in fact, thief is still better at both than mesmer).

People are having trouble vs mesmer and I get thief isn’t where it used to be, but the last class you should have trouble with is mdsmer.

thief has higher burst than mesmer? yeah in ur dreamworld of hotjoin maybe.

Also I repeat, I don’t have any problems with mesmers actually I said they’re easier for me, dunno why you bring it up.
I’m just saying some facts and you pop up defending something that isn’t defensible.

SlayerSixx.5763:

Elxdark.9702:

wut I’m still hunting mesmers and even easier than pre-patch.

The only ones that I hate are those infinite pu stealthed s/t kittens.

Thief complaining about perma stealth? Woah, that’s trippy.

I play s/d, no stealth here.

Also yes thieves do have perma stealth which makes them perma useless too, while mesmers have a lot of stealth and still do a lot of damage with great survivability.

Anyway I won’t even care to discuss with people who are biased about their class, so I will say just one thing. Enjoy while it lasts.

So I wasn’t the only one who was thinking about this.

Yea Power Ranger is better than warrior atm IMO, people has already started to counter rampage with stealth/blind/moa whatever.

A good ranger would fit perfectly in any team instead of a warrior, the only thing you lose is the double endure pain and berserker stance which allow warriors to tank stuff for a long time.

Also people saying ranger is only rapid fire, you don’t know kitten about the class/build.

wut I’m still hunting mesmers and even easier than pre-patch.

The only ones that I hate are those infinite pu stealthed s/t kittens.

Yep.

People usually underestimate power rangers because they just 22222222 and 111111 but this build is reallyyyyyyyyyyyyyy FUN, it’s not OP, it’s not that strong too but it’s great and has a good synergy with the team.

You need to timing your rotation to abuse the remorseless to an extent to get always 10+ stacks of vulnerability.
Survability is also pretty good, LB 3 LB4 GS3 GS4 wolf fear and you can actually use GS3/GS4 super fast with quickdraw, quickening zephyr is really good for escapes/resses/insta burst, it got a good buff imo.

I haven’t tried this in WvW but if in pvp it’s viable then in WvW it should be really good.

Sadly this isn’t in pvp meta because you know mesmers can do this 10x better but it’s a really fun build.

Practice and skill.

qt has just returned with almost zero practice (team orientation/organization) and abjured scrims very often.

That said Abjured skill level is just higher than any NA team, their players are the best in what they play, phanta ele, toker thief, nos necro, chaith engi, wakkey ele/warrior.

With the best players and also practice you have The Abjured, an excellent team with excellent players.

Eurantien.4632:

The ability to run at max speed while being able to do damage in every direction is huge.

That being said, engi is probably a little weak given the current strength of many other things. In reality, there is no reason not to play an ele, a mesmer, or a thief.

^

Jasher.6580:

What makes The Abjured so unstoppable?

Two words:

“Magic Toker”

/thread

wowow thanks @Storm!!

Gonna watch it in my break.

sadly they won’t do anything about balance before WTS or even maybe till HoT sooo enjoy the game dudd.

We’re doomed to the mesmers reign.

take notes anet take notes…

Belial.9350:

Apolo.5942:

Belial.9350:

Apolo.5942:

Im getting kind of tired of them being immune to everything, the bunker, dps, condition damage, spike, point capturer and on and on and on at the same time.

Show me an ele build that can spike like a mesmer and bunker at the same time.

They dont need to, if they can do 80% of everything with a single build, they are still op.

S/D thief can do 80% of everything with a single build too, I guess that makes that OP as well.

wut

Rym.1469:

Elxdark.9702:

Rym.1469:

Why do we have some random guy giving balance proposals to Grouch instead of long-promised Profession Specialists for each forum, I have no idea.

i.e. Weakning Shroud triggering in non-combat. Uh, like it always been?

or:

- Last Rites can cause situations where 2 Necromancers are in downstate indefinitely
– investigating

Like wtf is a problem with it? Isn’t it supposed to work like that, lol…

He’s not a “random guy”, He’s Backpack a very well known engi in the competitive scene and as you can see through the doc, he has a good knowledge of the game and how’s it atm not only ranger.

:D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8f0v7Urg3I

I won’t even comment that video, they were not serious duels anyways.

Respect to backpack, yes I agree with you and with most of the community he’s a spoiled kid yeah, but I also agree he has a good knowledge of the game and probably he discussed this with his team (abjured) as well.

Rym.1469:

Why do we have some random guy giving balance proposals to Grouch instead of long-promised Profession Specialists for each forum, I have no idea.

i.e. Weakning Shroud triggering in non-combat. Uh, like it always been?

or:

- Last Rites can cause situations where 2 Necromancers are in downstate indefinitely
– investigating

Like wtf is a problem with it? Isn’t it supposed to work like that, lol…

He’s not a “random guy”, He’s Backpack a very well known engi in the competitive scene and as you can see through the doc, he has a good knowledge of the game and how’s it atm not only ranger.

Sup infantrydiv, dunno about other builds but I’m having perma swiftness and fury with my power ranger build.

When I mean perma I meant literally perma I can stack like 2m swiftness and 30 sec of fury and if I got ripped I can reapply them easily.

The only problem is that I can do it only in combat but I got 1500 range sooooooo it’s really easy imo.

Rampage is fine imo it has many counters(blind,moa,condis).

However, I’d low a bit its damage(it hits so hard and unlike lich, it has strong cc and high mobility) and the ability to stomp targets, that’s all.

ele is fine, burn damage isn’t.

Competitive pvp? yes
Casual ranked/unranked? no

Power ranger is a really fun build if you start to use all your skills + the environment instead of spamming 2.

Condi Ranger is ok but it lacks of everything except bleeds(cc, support, heal, mobility, etc) a cele ele can do its job 200% better.

Taunt is annoying af.

rip engis.

Indeed, Necro is better post patch but it isn’t viable in competitive tier. It’s much better to have an ele or mesmer than a necro right now.

pretty much this.

-d/f might stacking cele ele (1vs1/semi bunker)
-staff cele ele(good team support, good damage)
-bunker guardian(people really don’t realize this kitten is op)
-mantra/interrumpt mesmer(demigod)
-whatever engi build(gods)
-zerker/marauder warrior(high damage, good survivability, RAMPAGE)
-thief d/p(basically the same if you go for SA, CS is IMO a better option)
-condi bunker ranger(annoying af, harder than a rock, condis are meh and taunt is op in teamfights)
-necros(imo they’re still not good enough for the new meta, yes they’re annoying more bunker whatever you say but I don’t see them over mesmers or engis)

I think that’s all.

moa, rampage, super speed, one shot.

if there’s a god in this world I’d say it’s the engi class.

Anonymouse.4760:

Elxdark.9702:

Anonymouse.4760:

Elxdark.9702:

heyeheyehey without insults buddie, calm your kittens.

The second WTS was still cele meta as far as I know.

You don’t get it. they lost BECAUSE it wasn’t a cele meta anymore — that’s why they changed their comp. . .

orng won 4-0.

comp?
shoutbow warrior(cele)
d/d ele(cele)
engi(cele)
thief(zerker)
guardian(zerker)

wut

Abjured’s current comp:

Necro ( Zerker )
Thief ( Zerker )
Medi Guard ( Zerker )
Shoutbow ( Celestial )
Engineer ( Celestial )

in NA the cele meta ended.

lol k whatever, dude this became boring.

glhf.

Anonymouse.4760:

Elxdark.9702:

heyeheyehey without insults buddie, calm your kittens.

The second WTS was still cele meta as far as I know.

You don’t get it. they lost BECAUSE it wasn’t a cele meta anymore — that’s why they changed their comp. . .

orng won 4-0.

comp?
shoutbow warrior(cele)
d/d ele(cele)
engi(cele)
thief(zerker)
guardian(zerker)

wut

heyeheyehey without insults buddie, calm your kittens.

The second WTS was still cele meta as far as I know.

Anonymouse.4760:

Elxdark.9702:

I’m still acro, keep whining I’ll grab my popcorns.

You make no sense at all.

why not? give me one argument that doesn’t involve dodges.

bring it on.

Anonymouse.4760:

Elxdark.9702:

I agree they messed up with the acrobatics line, FG is basically useless but imo s/d is even better now obviously not in the meta(and it wasn’t in the cele meta actually), it also does all you say it doesn’t, +1, hard to kill, peeling dps.

I agree they need to buff acro line but this is too much qq, I mean all these “s/d cry threads” are about the dodges we lost LOL.

no more free dodges s/d still useful, it’s not meta(it wasn’t in cele meta either), if you want to play it then play it for fun if you want to win play d/p like it was in cele meta.

buff acro line, dodges are fine.

I’m sorry for my horrid English grammar.

I’m guessing you didn’t read my thread very thoroughly, or maybe you just didn’t understand, because right at the start I talk about how Abjured ( thats the number 1 tpvp team in NA btw ) used sword dagger in the cele meta. So yeah, I would say it was in the cele meta. They happened to win the world tournament series with it after all.
I wouldn’t recommend posting on topics you’re clueless about.

woah dude but that was like tooooooo loooong ago, then in the 2nd WTS they got rekt by a d/p thief.

I’ll say this again but if you played around your dodges then it’s your own problem frand.

I’m still acro, keep whining I’ll grab my popcorns.

I agree they messed up with the acrobatics line, FG is basically useless but imo s/d is even better now obviously not in the meta(and it wasn’t in the cele meta actually), it also does all you say it doesn’t, +1, hard to kill, peeling dps.

I agree they need to buff acro line but this is too much qq, I mean all these “s/d cry threads” are about the dodges we lost LOL.

no more free dodges s/d still useful, it’s not meta(it wasn’t in cele meta either), if you want to play it then play it for fun if you want to win play d/p like it was in cele meta.

buff acro line, dodges are fine.

I’m sorry for my horrid English grammar.

Anonymouse.4760:

Elxdark.9702:

lol im the only thief who thinks s/d is better post patch?

I mean ok Felice Grace is nerfed af but still I think if you use the proper s/d build its pretty strong.

About you video, nothing new to see really…

So you think its better now, but also admit its nerfed? Makes sense

As for the gameplay, can’t wait to see your S/D video bud. You seem like a real star player.

hahaha, re-read what you just said

I said Feline Grace was nerfed not s/d.

If you played around your dodges that’s not my problem friend.

lol im the only thief who thinks s/d is better post patch?

I mean ok Felice Grace is nerfed af but still I think if you use the proper s/d build its pretty strong.

About you video, nothing new to see really…

balanced and skillful, gj anet!

Dustin.2793:

I will agree damage is way too high on numerous builds. I 2 shot a thief for 9k+6k with weakness on me using rampage.

Yup, Rampage is insanely strong.

dunno what are you doing guyz but I feel so op with d/p atm.

I can literally wait in stealth then jump over someone kill him in 3 secs then go stealth again like nothing happened.

SA is garbage right now, good thieves will agree that CS is the way to go.

yayyy more passive play yayyy

It’s fine feline grace is broken they needed to nerf it, I was hoping a new whole trait tho.

Btw you got FS now as an evade, also signet of agility + sigil of energy thats a lot of evades.

We’ve got some nice buffs so it’s a fair trade imo.

Don’t want to be a jerk or something but toker plays once a week only for go4 lol.