It being just Mordremoth is a possibility, but as I said; there are too many unknowns to rule solely in its favor.
Haven’t read all the posts, but are you still speculating if it is Mordremoth or not? While we do not know Scarlet’s true ‘end game’, aside from waking up the Dragon I believe it has been confirmed that it is Mordremoth, by Arenanet. Woodenpotatoes and Mattvisual also said on their podcast a few weeks ago (when the patch hit) that they have been told weeks before that by ANet that they were going to reveal another Dragon, specifically Mordremoth.
We know that her plans were to awaken Mordremoth. We just don’t know why she was awakening it though. We know that she was being manipulated by a being only known as “the Entity” so far, but that’s about it. The full extent of Scarlet’s plans are unknown. The Entity’s identity is unknown, and it’s Entity’s motives are fully unknown as well.
Everything is really up to speculation until some of these unknowns are filled in.
Why do you seem to think we need airships to defeat the Aetherblades? The only real decisive victory they had was the surprise attack on LA. All previous times we have encountered them (Secret base, TA, Marionette fight, and BfLA) were clear victory against them.
To compound matter against them, Scarlet is now dead. That was their chief employer, strategist, and constant source of new tech just gone. And with her death, they are just about Tyria’s most wanted now, and the only way they can really protect themselves is to flee and hunker down in the Mists or risk death.
Though, I did enjoy how to deflected all the moral questions. I was asking them about your theoretical “Dark Knights” not the Pact. If there was some confusion, I guess I can explain them further.
- (Who will they answer too?) Who/what is the organization/state/person that the Dark Knights is going to answer too? And yes, they will need one. A rogue military can’t travel around nations without a great deal of “diplomacy” as you said. Someone is needed to handle these matters, and to deal with the restrictions the nations will put on them to allow them enter into their space. Without it, they would be invading a nation’s land, and they and their order could be branded enemies of the state.
- (Who will govern their actions?) Who is going to be in charge of the planning the actions of the Dark Knights, and what qualifies said person to be in charge? Every organization needs a chain of command.
- (Who sets their limits?) While the different nations will set their own limits, but what are the limits within the order themselves? Will they involve themselves in what they perceive as a threat to the people? What happens if what they perceive as wrong conflicts with what the nations might view as such.
- (How do they decide what is the right or wrong course of action?) This ties in with the last question, but as adds… What is the order willing to do, and how far are they willing to go, to stop an actions they view as a threat? If stopping a threat also puts the lives of innocents in danger, are they willing to do it? Or are the lives of innocents going to take priority over the danger? How would the leader of the order make these decisions?
- (What stopping them from going rogue and taking matters fully into their own hands?) As you, and possible the Dark Knights by extension, don’t seem to hold any love for diplomacy, what stopping you from being a fully fledged vigilante group? I can think of a lot of reason, but I want to hear yours on the matter.
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Player: Why didn’t the Pact help save Lion’s Arch?
Laranthir: That’s not what we do. We’ve been tasked with slaying the Elder Dragons. Defending a city from an attack falls outside our charter. But then we heard the dragon’s cry.
Player:What do you mean?
Laranthir: We believe Scarlet’s drilling roused a dragon. If we’d known that was her plan, we could have justified getting involved.
We weren’t arguing whether or not they had the ability to go to Lion’s Arch to fight or not. We were arguing on WHY they didn’t and shouldn’t go, and Laranthir’s dialogue validates our arguments. It falls outside of their charter, (Btw, thank you for adding that in Anet!), since the Pact’s whole purpose is to combat the Elder Dragons, and only the Elder Dragons.
It also doesn’t disprove the “Pact being too weak/stretched in” argument either. It’s called diverting resources. If the Pact knew they had a chance of stopping another Elder Dragon from awakening, they would have more than taken it. They would have diverted forces from Orr, Frostgorge Sound, and their other fronts to deal with Scarlet. But they didn’t know, because that was only player speculation up until Scarlet’s death.
Bad as it might be sometimes, there is a good reason “diplomacy” gets in the way sometimes. You suggest a more radical (dangerous word there) “Dark Knight” version of the Pact, but…
- Who will they answer too?
- Who will govern their actions?
- Who sets their limits?
- How do they decide what is the right or wrong course of action?
- What stopping them from going rogue and taking matters fully into their own hands?
In the end, diplomacy and politics are there, because who else will watch the watchmen?
You can physically enter the dream, but the dream is still no physical place.
It’s more like in Tron, where the actor got physically teleported into the computer. Still it’s not a physical place.
You are thinking too much in mutually exclusives. If the Dream is indeed apart of the Mists, like most people on this forum believe, the Dream can be both. It can hold all the minds/spirits of the unborn Sylvari, and it could be a physical place one can enter.
It would be like the Underworld. It’s (one of) the human afterlives that the human spirit goes too when they die, but it is still a physical area within the Mists one can go too.
I think this portal got implemented due to the engine they used rather than a gameplay aspect. Furthermore, how should this work out? The Pale Tree can see the future, atleast at some part. So there has to be a second Tyria somewhere if the Dream should be a physical place.
It doesn’t matter, because it’s lore now. The Pale Tree has the ability to open portals where people can physically enter the Dream.
I wouldn’t say she has the ability to see the future. She can only see possible future. As for how the dialogue words it, Trahearne says she cannot maintain this “shard” of the Dream for long. So I would think it works similarly to how the Fractals do.
No? The Dream is like the Internet and the Nightmare like the Darknet.
Somewhat, but The Dream is also a physical place. The Pale Tree sends the player and Trahearne there during the PS.
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/A_Light_in_the_Darkness
Avatar of the Tree: You must soon enter the vision, and gain a glimpse of what may be.
Player:What do you mean, “vision”?
Avatar of the Tree: The portal before you is a passage into the Dream. There, you will see glimpses of the past, the present, and the future.
Player:What is the Dream? I don’t understand.
Avatar of the Tree: The Dream is the sylvari unconscious, the wellspring from which we flow. It holds our memories, as well as our hopes and fears. I am its keeper.
The Pale Tree didn’t put the player to sleep and transport them there mentally. She literally opened up a portal to the location of a “shard” that contained a possibly future within the Dream.
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First time it happened was fighting the Fire Elemental during opening weekend. Death left, right, and center, but it got the whole zone together to zerg it.
Second time was against Half-Baked Komali. My guild was lucky enough to have got her(?) next to a waypoint, but no one knew what the hell the fight mechanics were for her since the guild missions were just added. So like in most cases when confronting the unknown in an MMO… Zerg it until it dies.
So much death…
There is a small difference between the story that we’ve been told we do and the story that we actually do. I found out that NPCs lie to us (omg), but their informations are mostly taken for sure and aren’t questioned. Worse, they are part of speculations.
— My story
I’m guessing you can’t trust your own character’s words on the matter?
Better yet… http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Against_the_Corruption
Trahearne: I have created a ritual that might cleanse the dragon’s corruption. If it succeeds, this mission could be a turning point in the war.
Trahearne made that ritual to cleanse dragon corruption. He used that same ritual to cleanse the Artesian Waters.
So… Is Trahearne lying to us, or is Zhaitan house sitting the Artesian Waters for another Elder Dragon? Since you said he didn’t corrupt it.
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Zhaitan guards the artesian waters, still no evidence that he corrupted it.
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/The_Source_of_Orr
To cleanse Zhaitan’s corruption from Orr, we had to connect with the dying spirit of the land. After finding the source of Orr’s magic, Trahearne performed a powerful ritual while I defended him. Now, the land has a chance to recover—once the dragon is destroyed.
I returned to Fort Trinity after a hard-fought battle and found the celebrations already beginning. Only Trahearne was solemn about our victory. He knows that the purification of Orr will only last if the dragon is destroyed. Next time, my battle will be with Zhaitan itself — and I will be victorious.
— My story
Emphasis is mine.
SB, FE and jungle wurm (not the three headed one) are all introductory world bosses making them tequatl level would be silly and unneeded.
Giving SB a bigger hp pool might just be right up his alley though.
Which is kinda hilarious given how strong the FE was at launch. It being an “introductory world boss” and all. Carpet-bombing of aoe, mass spawns of embers, fire waves of death… Whole thing had to be zerg trained.
…Fun times. lol
As Konig said, the source of Orr’s corruption was the Artesian Waters, since its corrupted waters flowed all throughout Orr and spread the corruption into the land. Zhaitan was the one that corrupted the Waters itself though.
I think your theories are brilliant, but probably not true.
A wise man once said “it’s a known fact that Guild Wars 2 fans write better story than the Guild Wars 2 writing team.” I think your theories farther solidify that.
It is also easier to think/write something, than it is to actually create it.
“The imagination is an infinite canvas, but (insert physical object) is not” whatnot.
Because she stepped out of the device before joining the inquest.
She was a part of the Inquest before and after the experiment. As Ceara, it was her shenanigans with Teyo that got her kicked out of Rata Sum. After the experiment, Scarlet spent an unknown amount of time as an consultant with the Inquest afterwards.
How awesome would it be if we all turned into Scarlet for a day? “Ha-ha, April Fools, Salad-Boy!”
Someone in another thread suggested something like that. All the girls get turned into Scarlet, and all the boys get turned into Trehearne. It would be a nice laugh, but people might get a bit vindictive during pvp, if that happens.
Let out all your anger guys and gals! You can stomp Scarlet and Trehearne all you what for a day!
CHIPS.6018When people signed up for the army, they agreed to take the pain of war on behalf of the civilians. No one is forcing people to join the army in GW2. If they are not willing to die for the civilians, do not join.
There is a big difference between “willing to die for civilians” and “forced to die for civilians”.
People join the army to protect their people/country, but they have to know that the higher ups care about their safety as much as everyone else’s. As DarcShriek said earilier, the idea of defense is about about minimizing casualties. For both sides, civilian and soldier. If there is no trust between the soldiers and the higher ups that plan their actions, that army is doomed to fail.
They might have made their life’s work to protect others, but that in no way makes them sacrificial pawns to just throw at an enemy because “that would be the right thing to do”.
Tengu is basically a given.
Class-wise, I would rather they expand the weapon list of them all, and possibly add more skills to each weapon as well. That would give us the ability to switch out some of the weapon abilities like we can with the regular skills.
Most of all, I just want my ele to be able to wield a GS. I know it’s one of their elites, but if a mesmer of all classes can wield one, so should everyone else!
Necros should get hammers as well…just because.
I’m leaning more towards yes, since they are taking baby steps of improvement as they go along. I’m thinking that the 4 month development cycle throws people off through. They may get our positive/negative feedback on the patch now, but it takes them, and us to see, 4 months to make the improvements on the matter.
I’m just wishing they would add more time killers to the game. We go through the LS quickly, and we are left with nothing else to do until the next patch hits.
lakdav.3694I repeat it again: If anyone failed, it was the Captains Council and the Lionguard.
I would blame the Captain’s Council more than the Lionguard, since the Lionguard can’t really do anything without the Council’s authority.
Though, if the Council was going to hold the idiot ball on this occasion, the very least they could have done was make an announcement on the matter. It might have caused a panic in the populace (possibility of imminent mass death and all), but it would have still allowed some people to leave before the attack happened.
Think of it this way. Let’s say your army only have cavalry, while the enemies have modern tanks. Do you just sit back and watch the enemies kill your civilians?
No. You stand and fight to defend your people. Causality isn’t the issue here.
No, you tell the civilians to take what they can and flee for their lives. It’s better to try and save as many people as you can before the tanks get there, than it is to have everyone die fighting in a battle that was lost from the beginning.
Secondly, we do not know if our airships is outclassed by the Aetherblade airships. We have never seen the Aetherblade airships non-stop phasing in and out of existence, like you claimed they can. Who is to say they won’t suffer from a 10,000 second cooldown, like most skills do in GW2? Either way, a soldier cannot be a defeatist. Else the battle was lost before it began.
They don’t need to be constantly teleporting. The fleet needs to just do it in a strategic manner. The Aetherblades wait at a safe viewing distance for the Pact fleet to take a battle formation. Then, they simply teleport behind the ships and open fire. Once they are done, they simply teleport back out to a safe distance again.
Since the Pact ships cannons are on the sides of the ships, behind the ship is a vulnerable spot to take advantage of. By the time the Pact ship changes directions, the Aetherblades would have fired their volley and teleported back out again.
Also, as shown by the Opening Ceremony during the Queen’s Jubilee, the Aetherblades can teleport in an out of an area in a short matter of time. While it might be a limited amount of times to do so, if they do it right, they don’t need them.
And let’s say you are right about the Aetherblade airships. Then the Pact still failed as a whole, this time on the Pact engineers who are totally outclassed by a bunch of thug engineers and one person: Scarlet.
With the large amount of Charr in the Aetherblades, there should be a decent amount of ex-Iron Legion to oversee and train the other pirates how to take care of and repair the machines. The complicated stuff would be for the ex-Iron Legion members and the actually fully trained engineers.
And don’t discount Scarlet. She might have been crazy, but she was a genius of engineering.
BTW you said two contradicting points in that message. You said “Aetherblades is major threat” and “Aetherblades is no threat”. If these guys are that strong and can wipe out the Pact airship fleet like you said, then they are a major threat. I would rank Aetherblades more dangerous than the elder dragons. Because we killed Zhaitan with these very airships.
I didn’t contradict myself. I said that Scarlet and the Aetherblades were a major threat to Tyria, but they aren’t anywhere near the level of threat that the Elder Dragons pose.
Look how much planning it took for Scarlet to just invade and destroy Lion’s Arch. All the alliances she had to make, all the resources she had to pool together, all the stages of planning on the matter…
An Elder Dragon could destroy that whole area just by doing a fly over and breathing on it. The difference of the threat levels between the two are astronomical.
They could also go with a return of an old character as a big event/cliffhanger. I know the return of Livia would excite the playerbase (for the gw1 players anyway) as much as the awakening of Mordremoth did.
They would have had a good idea of the strength of Scarlet’s forces. The miasma might have been an unknown, but the Orders, and probably the Pact as well, knew the capabilities of all of Scarlet’s alliances, since they faced them all beforehand.
While it might not have been an totally accurate prediction, it probably wouldn’t have been off the mark by much.
If the ending of the season is fixed, it will be probably be capped off with a big event like this season was. Though, I’m not sure what exactly could be as a big event (lore-wise) like an awakening of an Elder Dragon.
…Elder Dragon attacking a major city maybe? Who knows.
Maybe you are right. But it doesn’t excuse the Pact from not trying their best.
The Pact airship were nowhere near LA. So of course they won’t reach LA in time to save LA. This is self fulfilling prophecy. The Pact never tried, so it didn’t succeed.
The Pact airships may or may not beat the Aetherblade airships. Either way it doesn’t excuse them from not being there. The soldiers must stand and fight the enemies, to defend the civilians, no matter the odds of winning.
So… It would have been ok for the Pact to suffer major causalities, lose of prized equipment (airships), morale, and ultimately defeat, because at least they tried their best?
While I agree that soldiers must stand and fight the enemies and to defend the civilians, but I disagree on the “no matter the odds of winning”. You can’t chance sacrificing your army to win a battle (Scarlet), when it means you’ll lose the continued war (Elder Dragons).
Scarlet might have been a highly dangerous individual, but she was still just that, an individual, and she can (and was) be dealt with like any other person can be. The Elder Dragons are not like that though. With a simple breath: they can create an army, corrupt the land to make it unlivable, destroy a settlement, and basically kill us all if they so desired.
Scarlet was no where, no where, near the level of threat of an Elder Dragon. And that is what the Pact has to deal with. I’m perfectly fine with it leaving the “small” threats of Tyria to the Orders and the major races. The Pact has to ready itself to deal with much larger threats to the land.
Many things that the Pact could have done better. For example having the Pact airships on stand by in areas around LA. Areas like Southsun Cove, Sparkfly Fen and Bloodtide Coast is owned by no one. The Pact could have stationed their airships in these areas, saying they are killing Risen, and no one would complain.
What happened instead was the Pact only warned the LA council of the upcoming attack, and did not act any more after. This is passive! So not only did the LA council not take the Scarlet threat seriously. Neither did the Pact. Why? Because the Pact did nothing else to prepare for the attack.
Stationing airships in the nearby territories wouldn’t have helped at all. As I said before, Scarlet’s initial attack happened in probably less than an hour. By the time the Pact would have gotten word the attack was happening, LA would have been destroyed already, and the miasma would have started to have been released.
As for afterwards, you are forgetting that Scarlet’s airships have teleportation capabilities. The Pact airships wouldn’t last long in a fight against their fleet. They can simply teleport in, fire off a round of cannon fire, and teleport out before the Pact airship can turn their cannons.
Always thought that was kinda funny. Scarlet made all these powerful alliances in-game, yet the one that has the potential to be the strongest as been around since the beginning. And, it was seemingly overlook through the whole debacle.
Inquest has the knowledge and tech.
Nightmare Court has the different magics at their disposal.
And the White Mantle Bandits has the political ties, manpower, and (possibly?) funding.
Dangerous when all those come together.
This is what we need more off, conflict were both sides are doing what they believe is best, and where neither side is stupid evil.
While it would be nice to see in the future. That wouldn’t work on this example. The hostile takeover of an ally, no matter how strongly they are holding the stupid stick, is never a good thing. Especially if you are saying you are doing it “for their own good”.
And as I said before, that would have given Scarlet the chance to severely cripple the Pact on top of destroying LA with that single attack.
After years and years of speculation and wanting, by now, I kinda wish we never find out what’s up there.
Some of the world’s mysteries are better off not solved.
A lot of people here are defending why the Pact didn’t show up. Let’s stop making excuses for ourselves. We failed the people.
Thousands have died. Many people lose their parents, spouses and kids. This is a fact.
Sure one may argue that if we didn’t show up at all even more would have died. It doesn’t matter to me. The way I see it we failed the people. We could have saved more if we acted earlier and with more manpower.
How would you have acted earlier and with more manpower? LA said “No” to any plans to prepare the city for an attack beforehand, and Scarlet’s attack itself on the city was calculated, quick, and devastating. The major damages dealt to the city and it’s population was done probably within a matter of an hour, and the miasma was simply used to kill off stragglers and to keep the city closest off for the drill to do its thing.
Without the permission of the Captain’s Council, there was nothing for the Pact to do on the matter, short of hostilely taking the city over for it’s own protection to set up defenses. But then that have set off a conflict between the Pact forces and the Lionguard, and that would give Scarlet a clear shot of killing two birds with one stone.
Everyone was wondering what Trahearne has been doing the last year or so? It’s probably all the mountains of legal paperwork that comes with running an international military force and keeping up all the diplomatic ties to keep it funded and running.
We should be counted lucky that he hasn’t called upon his second in command to do their fair share of it…
As rainbow spirit stated, a dragon knows everything it’s minions know.
That’s kinda the point that Konig was making as well.
Scarlet being a minion of Mordremoth is a player assumption, but some people are taking that as fact already. The fact of the matter is, is that there has been no confirmation of anything yet. The Entity is still unknown, whether or not it’s in anyway connected to Mordremoth is unknown, Scarlet’s motives for awakening the dragon are still unknown. All we know is that it was her endgame, but we have no explanation of why it was her endgame.
People are thinking that everything connects back to Mordremoth because it’s the simplest explanation for everything. But the simplest explanation isn’t always the correct explanation. Until we get some more clarification or explanations on all these unknowns, everything is still up in the air theory-wise.
If you are still disagree, what entity, in your opinion, could corrupt and make her mad and have any profit from Dragon’s awakening?
As for the Entity, since there has still be no confirmation either way, it could either be Mordremoth, it’s champion, or some unknown. Time will only tell for it.
As for its and Scarlet’s motives, I would think it would be something close to Littlefinger’s motives in ASOIAF…
What did he get from driving the entire Seven Kingdoms to war and bringing chaos to the land? He got change and opportunity, and that allows him to more easily work his "magic".
Or as Scarlet said…
Scarlet’s voice rose as she went on. “I have a great deal of work ahead of me. I don’t know what the world will be when I’m through, but I will very much enjoy finding out. Empires will fall, continents will burn, and when the conflagration is over, I’ll be there to put my stamp on whatever new world this one becomes.”
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Let me see If I’ve got the right Konig. You’re telling us that there’s no way the elder dragons would know about modern technology, and then in the very next post you tell us that the inquest are searching for lost Mursaat knowledge.
Your story is fun, but it doesn’t hold up. Try again when you have a story that makes sense.
The Inquest were searching for the Mursaat’s knowledge about phasing and how they fled into the Mists. Magical knowledge, not technological. If the Elder Dragons somehow knew that knowledge, the Mursaat would have been wiped out before GW1, because the only way the other races survived was because Glint was shielding them.
Other than that, the only Elder Dragon to show interest in invading the Mists is Jormag, but even it doesn’t have the knowledge of how. The only way it was shown to have gotten access to the Mists, was having the Sons of Svanir trapping the soul of the Wolf Havroun, causing the Mists portal to stay open waiting for him to cross. If it had that knowledge of how, it could have simply had the Sons open the portal, and not have to rely on outside sources.
I do enjoy the theorycrafting, and I do agree that Scarlet’s story has too many loose ends to end just yet. I guess Anet really wishes for us to stay tuned for season two.
I’m personally hoping for Lazarus’ involvement in this whole thing, but that could be just the Mursaat fan in me talking. Though, I’ve been wondering back about Vorpp’s thoughts about Ceara when she entered the machine…
Vorpp: Ceara encountered something that literally broke her mind, but the only things in there were things she brought.
That statement has always been particular. Minus the whole Sylvari=Mordy’s minions theory, it hasn’t really ever fitted into the other theories pertaining to the Entity all that well. With the possible upcoming involvement of the bandits, which alone will bring about more White Mantle and Larzarus theories, I’ve been wondering…
…Is it possible that Ceara was somehow carrying an Aspect of Lazarus around?
Vorpp said that a part of her psyche was possibly walled off for her own protection (by the Pale Tree?). Once her “firewall” was down, the Aspect could have been fighting and influencing her for dominance ever since.
Weird off the wall theories are always going to be weird though. Hopefully season two hurries up, because I’m fascinated now.
I seem to remember a lot of people dying due to what you call a failed weapon.
Lore-wise, the Marionette fight only happened once, and the fight was a success with the destruction of the Marionette. All the repeated fights with it was simply there for gameplay reasons.
After a player uses a waypoint, they find out that all their money has gone missing. It isn’t until the 2nd, after all the grief and QQing on the forums, the players get a letter in the mail from Rata Sum with all their money returned. It turns out that there was a malfunction in the waypoint’s Transaction Relative to One’s Location, Level, and Exact Destination system…
…or T.R.O.L.L.E.D for short.
No. I think Scarlet disturbed the ley lines, knowing they feed the dragons.
I don’t understand.
The dragons consume magic. The ley lines are currents in an ocean of magic.
And Scarlet threw a giant rock in that pool, sending ripples out to the dragon. It makes sense. You’re brilliant.
I’m not sure if it was ever said that Scarlet actively rerouted all the magic from the leyline convergence in a single direction, because if she didn’t, that ripple effect would have extended in all the directions the leylines connected to it went. And as the player said, Scarlet disturbed them knowing that the Elder Dragons fed from them. So they would have been able to feel the disturbance with their food supply.
Taimi: I told you so. I told you all. I knew Scarlet had grand plans, but did you listen? No. And now, there’s at least one dragon, maybe more, who want to destroy all of Tyria.
Emphasis mine.
Braham:You really believe that stuff about Scarlet poking the dragon?
Player:Yeah, I do.
Taimi:Well, you’ve got it right. Scarlet wanted to touch the dragons, and she succeeded. Quite impressive when you think about it.
Player:I have a theory about why, but what do you think?
Taimi:Why do our greatest minds ever do anything? In order to know, to learn, and to understand.
Player:I think she was more practical than she let on.
Braham: Or more crazy. I’m gonna guess she was hoping to make a dragon or two mad so they would attack. Don’t matter. All that matters is she’s dead now.
Emphasis mine again, and as Konig pointed out, references of multiple dragons. The more that I think about it. I’m starting to wonder if “the Entity” wasn’t Mordremoth at all, but something else. As the PC said, he/she is thinking that Scarlet was more practical than she let on, and that is reminding me of a part from her short story…
“But I reject that call. I reject the notion that that I must choose the Dream or be lost to Nightmare. The forces that push us this way or that can be redirected. They can be set against one another to the detriment of both, and now I know how.”
I’m starting to think that she and possibly “the Entity” are simply using the Elder Dragons and everyone else. Wake up and stir the Elder Dragons, possibly sic them against one another and the races of Tyria, wait for them to finish killing each other, and then they can easy claim whatever is left.
To quote the wiki page on Mordremoth:
“The sylvari spent many years travelling the world, studying the engineering secrets of each of the races. Eventually her travels brought her to Rata Sum, where Headmaster Omadd of the College of Synergetics offered her to “see into the Eternal Alchemy itself”. Ceara, unable to resist the opportunity, agreed to the experiment, entering an isolation tank, the purpose of which was ostensibly to shut down the mind’s security system and open it—like opening a door—to welcome in the truths of the Eternal Alchemy. In practice, this exposed her directly to Mordremoth’s influence, and broke her mind."
First, the wiki is a player edited database. While it is a nice source place to brush up on a subject, not everything can be considered fact on it, unless backed up by a source (ingame, dev, etc.), since anyone can edit the pages.
Secondly, since I haven’t played the epilogue yet, unless it was revealed it was Mordremoth behind her actions the entire time, that would still be player speculation. All we know up until this point is that she has been under the influence of “the Entity”.
We can’t have the Legate Minister under protected now can we?
Sure we can. Let me just get a moment to get a couple warriors with Kill Shot lined up and ready.
Yes, it would be just tragic if something would to befall the Minister during of a… changing of the guard? Especially if it was during the time his own personal Ministry Guards were on duty as well. They just keep proving themselves more and more unreliable.
Tisk tisk.
No it doesn’t. He’s a guest, he does what he wants, not what she wants.
He isn’t a guest in the formal sense. He’s very much a guest in the political sense. It’s basically where a lord or ruler takes a person into their home, but they aren’t allowed to leave. A gilded cage if you will.
It was mostly used against rival political opponents as an insurance policy. The lord/ruler takes some of their rival’s family members into their home as “guests”, and if the rival ever acted against the lord… Let’s just say it wasn’t good for the family members.
The insurance policy method wouldn’t work on Caudecus, but the thought is still the same. He’s a “guest” of the Queen in the most hostile sense of the word.
What are they going to do? Listen to his every conversation? Deprive him of any privacy? He’s a guest, not a prisoner. They have to treat him with respect, they can get a Shining Blade “maid” to follow him around and report back to Anise but as a guest he has privacy and autonomy. He’s free to come and go as he likes and interact with whoever he chooses, wherever he chooses.
Yes, basically.
Queen Jennah: “Caudecus is guilty of many things, Captain, but he was not responsible here. The Separatists were planning to capture him as well.”
Caudecus: “Capture…me? Then I am in your debt for keeping me safe, your Majesty.”
Queen Jennah: “Also, for your own protection, you should stay at my palace. Temporarily of course. I insist.”
Caudecus: “There’s no…I mean…I’m sure…Certainly, your Majesty. I would be honored.”
For his own “protection”, his actions with others might be limited now as well, since the bandits are supposedly trying to get him. That means he will need constant protection around him at all time, because you never know when an assassin might strike or a kidnapper might come out of the shadows.
Queen Jennah might also spare no expense and suggest/order using some of her own expert Shining Blade for the job, since the Ministry Guard obviously weren’t enough. Caudecus got abducted from his own manor after all. We can’t have the Legate Minister under protected now can we?
Would you team up with ants?
Sad thing is, I probably would. It would finally get them out of my cabinets once and for all, and I could sic them on my enemies. If all it would take is a sacrificial bag of sugar for them to be my allies, so be it!
I doubt they would be lively conversational partners though.
While I’m more than happy that this thread hasn’t dissolved into bad language yet, I wish people would either drop or change the subject. The last page or two have been people “politely” sniping at one another. No one is using harsh words yet, but if this sniping continues, it might very well come to that point.
If you are talking about what Colin said a few months back, he wasn’t talking about theories linking Sylvari and Mordremoth. He was talking about Scarlet’s goal, which was : invade Lion’s Arch to awaken the jungle dragon.
A lot of people got the “awaken the jungle dragon part”, some got “invade LA” few bothered to take them together.
He actually replied on this on the BfLA forum. Though, I would say there is a big difference between the large amount of average everyday theories on the LS or general forums and the theories on the Lore forum. The numerous GW lore experts on this forum usually either can quickly debunk or polish the different theories to accuracy.
Mordremoth.
I just have to wonder how Colin thought this was a “one in a million” prediction.
As resident Colin, I said this back when the world thought it was Primordus or a time travel story line, as more clues came out the theories got MUCH more correct, by mid-february the correct theories were certainly far more plentiful. Also the one in 10-20K number was about the entire story in the final 2 releases, not just one specific part of the ending. Only a couple of folks correctly guessed LA getting nuked before we gave any of the hints for example.
Above all else, I just want to say how much fun it has been watching everyone theorize over the last few months. It’s one of the coolest parts of the living world experience to me. Where it goes from here….well you’ll just have to wait to find out!
I personally liked her from beginning to end. Though, I do admit I can understand why people might not have liked her at the beginning. It was a really rocky roll out. Let’s just hope they live and learn.
I’m just hoping that the next LS villain is going to be more mystical. Season One had more than enough technology marvels to last a good long while. It would be nice for the storyline to go back to actual magic for awhile. This is a fantasy universe after all.
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yes BUT it was just sitting there quietly for what 10,000 years maybe this dragon is more passive more willing to just absorb ambient magic but I guess an argument could be made that it was asleep forcefully
It was hibernating like the other Elder Dragons were. After a given amount of time, and if/when the ambient magic levels of Tyria hit a certain level, the Elder Dragons awaken to feed. Though, they can awaken a bit earlier through help of some of their champions, which function in a way like an alarm clock. The death of these champions can delay their respected Elder Dragon’s awakening for a number of years.
They always wake up in the end though, as shown at least by Kralk. Glint was his champion, and she was actively acting against him. But in the end, he still woke up by himself, and the first thing he did was go after her to kill her.
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Since Logan seems to have been a direct descendant from her, they probably wanted to make a strong connection by using grandmother. The use of “great-grandmother” is probably just a shortened version to save space. Plus, it would have looked better than…
“A simple memorial marks the final resting place of Ascalonian hero and Ebon Vanguard commander, Gwen Thackeray—loving wife of Lieutenant Keiran Thackeray and great-great-great-great-great-great grandmother to Captain Logan Thackeray.”
The Elder Dragons want to devour magic. All the magic. Everything in Tyria is imbued with magic. The ground, the water, the plants, dead things, living things, everything.
In the end, we will always be food and a resource for them.
I would personally say that cutting someone’s skin off and wearing it seems much more brutal to me, but the honest point is that neither side is good. Both sides of done shameful things for their own greater good.
Cows must hate us.
Possibly, but that’s the reason humans have bred them to be fat and stupid. We can’t have a great cow uprising on our hand now can we? It would just be horrible… the vegans being right. We can’t have that happen!
~turns back to his T-bone steak~
See that is also something I have heard other say, that maybe the Elder Dragons are conduits to the Gods and that all that magic eating is actually the Gods getting that magic back so they stay more powerful magically than the races of Tyria.
Which some would also argue that had we voted for Gnashblade, we would have found out though his Fractal research project that the reason the Gods got mad at and turned on Abaddon, was that originally Tyrians did not have magic and his gift of magic to the races sealed his fate.
To keep a balance between the magic the races could use and to not let them get to powerful the Elder Dragons where created by the remaining Gods.On another note, I have also heard that they can in fact turn into Humanoid form as we who have played Guild Wars 1 will remember seeing them as what we all thought was the herald or avatar forms of each God. Which might explain when Kormir said “Yes….and so much more!” as she took the over being the God when Abaddon was destroyed.
Abaddon didn’t gift magic to the races of Tyria. Magic was around since the beginning, but at the end of the last rising of the Elder Dragon, the Seers sealed away all the uncorrupted magic of Tyria in the Bloodstone.
The Six, not just Abaddon alone, gifted magic back to Tyria when they released it from the Bloodstone. After all the death, destruction, and chaos it caused, it was Abaddon that didn’t want to restrict magic to a manageable level. That’s why, amongst other reasons, there was a conflict between him and the other gods.
Also, there is NO ties between the Elder Dragons and the Six. For one, the Six, as well as the human race, isn’t native to Tyria, and they have only been around for about maybe 1,500 years or so. The Elder Dragon, on the other hand, have had multiple risings. That span nearly 11,000 years from the present day.
Secondly, this whole theory has been debunked in the Personal Story, during the Cathedral of Silence (story).
Priestess Rhie: Hail, ancient one! Rise from your frozen tomb. I, your priestess, call upon you in the name of Grenth himself!
The Seventh Reaper: Who dares summon me? A true priest! is there such a thing in this fallen land?
Priestess Rhie: I am Grenth’s servant, and we have survived many dangers to speak with you, Please, hear us?
The Seventh Reaper: I see in your heart that you are no stranger to Death. Very well. I will hear you out, but in return you will kill in Grenth’s name.
The Seventh Reaper: The keeper of this shrine has fallen to Zhaitan. Grenth wishes him returned, but I am too weak to perform the task. Destroy the keeper, and I will answer your questions.
Trahearne: Thank you, dark Reaper. We will do as you have asked.
The Seventh Reaper: Destroy the corruption. Return the soul of the keeper. Go.
Grenth and Zhaitan are enemies, and Grenth and his Reapers didn’t care for Zhaitan stealing one of Grenth’s servants souls from the Mists to server him.