I really hate it when people whine that a class seems in their eyes op. If you nerf scrapper with your 4 steps it would remove scrappers out of gw2.
Take a look at wvw roaming, I had a duell yesterday: hammer scrapper vs rifle/ft base engi, and this was very well balanced.
The only reason why scrapper sustain seems op is because with hammer you are NOT forced to take a damage kit or damage trait line, you can go full defensive
In wvw gear matter, perhaps the reason why the base engi was able to sustain was because he had better gear than you or more/ better proc ing food than you.
@Astralporing
No I’m like someone who says we have a lot of broken stuff in this game currently and let’s talk about revenant in this thread.
Revenant is too strong in the overall picture. It has too much dmg,too much sustain and too much mobility all in one. That has nothing to do with seperating anything and not taking the whole picture into consideration.
And what you are doing is saying that revenant is op but in comparison to reaper and scrapper it is completly fine because those are also op. Considering now that reaper,scrapper and revenant are all used in the current meta – the game is well balanced.
This kind of argumentation is pathetic.
@Fivedawgs
Nope, it is like saying if you are going to punish me for stealing you better punish bigger thieves than I; since everyone has been complaining about them.
Your logic is in that way lacking that you basically say that a thief shouldn’t get punished for stealing as long as there is someone who stole more than him.
Nope, what I am saying in that, in a democracy, that thief has every right to protest is sentence if prior offenders were vindicated of their wrong doings. Unless the latter is being made an example of.
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No it’s not selfish. Overpowered is overpowered.
Nope, it is like saying if you are going to punish me for stealing you better punish bigger thieves than I; since everyone has been complaining about them.
And this exactly the point where your logic is lacking
If logic means :
log·ic
?läjik/
noun
1.
reasoning conducted or assessed according to strict principles of validity.
“experience is a better guide to this than deductive logic”
synonyms:reasoning, line of reasoning,rationale, argument, argumentation
“the logic of their argument”
2.
a system or set of principles underlying the arrangements of elements in a computer or electronic device so as to perform a specified task.
If the consensus is every thieves have to be punished, then how is my logic faulty/lacking? Aren’t you the one who is being biased? ? Ignoring what others are doing and focusing entirely on one class??
Where the logic in this statement?
“It’s like saying in your judgement pls don’t punish me for stealing because a lot of people are stealing and someone even stole more than me.
10/10
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1- are all thieves stealing from the same person or not?
2- is the owner aware about the thefts??
3- if yes?? Wouldn’t that thief be right/logical in saying if the rules of our country states that all thieves need to be punish, and you (owner) are aware of such and such stealing from you; so why am I being singled out??
Wouldn’t this argument be more logical?
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What about stomp whilst being invunerable. I mean have stab and on top of that they can stomp on their mini form??
I still find it amusing that people are struggling against scrapper when rev, reaper, and ele are all stronger right now.
Scrapper is #4 though and the top 4 all do need a look.
Lmao, I hope you are joking. The Engi from Rank 55 was the Mvp last season, dude totally carried his team. I can’t belive you actually think revs are #4. Dude, scrapper are stronger than revs in this meta.
Yes, he may have done so, but given the time and effort, a good Rev will beat a good Engi. It just takes a good while and not usually worth the 1v1 effort. Engi just has a LOT more team utility than a Rev does, but Rev has much more damage than an Engi can sustain for a long period of time.
Ok, go on chaith twitch account and look for last night stream… Chaith 2 vs 1 a rev and someone else and he 2as also able to 1 vs 1 a rev but that fight was quite long.
Adapt or die, let anet balance their game as they see fit.
The only thing which is worse than anets balance atm is this sentence.
Anet should really close this topic,
Since OP does nothing but keep on repeating same pointless non-argumented statement.Specifically asking for Revenant nerf is simply a selfish attitude, since every single Elite spec is way more powerful than base specs.
At least I do bring arguments. While the others are saying sth like.
" I agree revenant is op but pls don’t nerf it because reaper and scrapper is also op"It’s like saying in your judgement pls don’t punish me for stealing because a lot of people are stealing and someone even stole more than me.
10/10
Just to jump on this one, Noone explicitly mentioned those words, the consensus is you can’t ask for a rev nerf when scrapper/ reaper are OPER than them; it’s selfish.
Nope, it is like saying if you are going to punish me for stealing you better punish bigger thieves than I; since everyone has been complaining about them. Dude, it’s pretty clear you have a vendetta against revs, hence this thread. But like everyone has been saying, unless the grand offenders scrapper/ reaper get tone down a bit, revs do not NEED to be nerfed. Perhaps having a bunker meta 2.0 is your aim??
If I may, like someone pointed above, one class is always going to powerful than the other in each category, the gaps between the classes is what need to be fixed.
E.g. dps wise Revs are stronger than DH which in turn are stronger than thieve’s and warriors but this doesn’t mean that REVS are overall better than DH or thieves ( don’t have to go into warriors since they are better than us at everything). Dps aside, the disparities between revs and 5 hives is about 5 to 8 %. Although, thieves lack revs dps, they can still decap, fi is someone out of the blue. They have insane mobility, can pretty much 1 vs 1 with almost everyone, have crazy survavility since they can always retreat from fights.
The same could be said about DH, I’ll say the difference between those two are about 10%, etc…
S1 is very bad, in terms of balance and MM. (5 man premade vs all solo) not to mention smurfing, taking advantage of the pip system boosting players to legendary.
S2 is not perfect but now more forgiving to soloQ players which i like. and lack of unkillable bunkers make the game fun. also the short Qs makes it all better.
Is this that game where you say the opposite of what is true?
Lol thanks for the laughs.
I have to agree with the OP; S1 had its shortfalls but this season is a mess.
I still find it amusing that people are struggling against scrapper when rev, reaper, and ele are all stronger right now.
Scrapper is #4 though and the top 4 all do need a look.
Lmao, I hope you are joking. The Engi from Rank 55 was the Mvp last season, dude totally carried his team. I can’t belive you actually think revs are #4. Dude, scrapper are stronger than revs in this meta.
At first I was not going to bother responding to your critique but I believe there is some hope to get my point across so I posted. I will address you on a point by point basis
-Nobody has factual evidence on a scale to prove anything except someone who can data mine anet’s logs. What we can prove are only things based on our experiences in game.
-On meta builds: search and rescue druid as I briefly explained is not a build that can carry a team to force wins. resurrecting a bad player means hes going to die again faster than search and rescue gets used or you get countered while using search and rescue by good player. I will not go further in detail I am not writing a thesis on why res bot druid is bad. What I will say res bot druid not good because you get destroyed when outnumbered by competent players or in team fight if focused by ppl with ports. Resurrect druid will not make wins happen when you are behind. Where as a good Mesmer for example can make a win happen with a good portal play. A good elementalist on a team with no elementalist will increase the teams chance of winning if he can support mid and not let it get capped regardless of teammates deaths occurring the point stays decapped until it can be contested again into another fight. A druid not wasting utilities on SnR and not in clerics can force wins by being one of the best 1v1 builds thus forcing wins on side points and rotating in and out scoring points increasing likelihood your team wins.
-On point 3: People do not have low MMR for no reason. I will concede if it is true new players starting in low MMR and not some average number as bad design. Having low MMR means you do not meet the games expectations of you. You can get out of so called MMR hell in 1 of 2 ways. Team Q or play well enough to beat expectations unless someone can prove the expectation system is deeply flawed which I have yet to be shown. If a player can not do either then they will get stuck is that fair I think so is it fun no it is not and perhaps Anet should do something about it.
-On positive win ratios: This ties into being good enough to carry to some extent or not being dead weight to your team. If you are better than 50% of the population playing you should have more than 50% win ratio. Thus over time you will get needed wins to become a legend. if you are this good but not winning because of MMR system. You need to start performing above expectations in matches, score more points to be where you should, which is hopefully in a place where you are on the winning 50% of the population.
-It is pointless to keep blaming your team for losing under the current system. The system expects you to rise up out of the hellhole that is low ranks and be deciding factor in your team winning or to perform above expectations to get better teams.
-the world is not fair but in GW2 there is are underlying systems that generate what is perceived as unfair. Long time players do not have low MMR or negative win ratio for no good reason. So if you have low MMR you deserved it for not performing well enough. If MMR should be reset at new leagues is a different debate and maybe it should to make the game more fun for certain people. Unlike the world GW2 success is a much greater degree in the hands of an individual. As in playing builds with potential to swing games and make plays, performing better than expected, and gaining in skill.-To address your points of deserving I will point out as much as I hate to Helseth is going to carry someone he found who believes he is skilled enough to rank up but hard done by the system on a brand new account (IE low MMR) while I will be the first to admit there are a few flaws in his methodology what it will at-least prove if you are good enough you will rank up because you deserve it and will earn it because you are a deciding factor in games and/or queuing with a good player is enough to rank up. On another point Helseth plays Mesmer a known good player and as I have stated before a good Mesmer can steal games. I am very sure He will succeed in ranking up his adopted player.
Nice point but there is such a thing as elo hell. One person can’t carry 4 bads players, you just can’t unless his opponent team is full of bads as well. Which is very unlikely in this meta. And as everyone as pointed, druids are meta. So kitten might explain why your anecdotal experience differs from the OP. But flat out saying there is no such thing as MMR hell is Def wrong and untrue.
I agree and feel for you. I mean that’s the least I can say. I also hope they will fix it.
Thief here,
sneak gyro is like a longer-lasting, mobile, refreshing Shadow Refuge with a shorter cooldown…Wtf?
Not even is it better in every single way, such as being able to move and not being a GUYS EVERYBODY SHOOT HERE like Shadow Refuge is, but it has a shorter cooldown AND NO CAST TIME?
Omg, so broken.
Tbf, you can always take out the gyro.
@OP
1. You seem to have fallen into the trap of thinking skill splits will magically solve everything balance issue; they won’t. The same devs doing balance now will just have to balance more skills. And many of the skills which are changed were too good in multiple formats to one degree or another and ended up being overnerfed. That’s not to say skill splits should be ignored, but they should be used sparingly.
2. Agree, but you have to consider the reason a profession or build is forced out. Right now, it’s a few OP builds forcing everything else out. Buffing builds which are no longer in the meta but were competitive pre-HoT just turns PvP into a mess of power creep.
3. Not sure why Proleague implemented this rule, but the anti-stacking rule is treating the symptom – a handful of OP builds – not the cause. Once balance is in a better state, build stacking won’t be an issue.
4. Agree about not reinventing the wheel. However, ANet should want to make more options viable. It just shouldn’t come at the cost of what is already acceptably balanced.
5. Disagree. You need to balance reasonably well for all skill levels. If low and mid tiers are dominated by brainless builds (e.g. turret engi), changes need to be made. Otherwise, the PvP playerbase evaporates. Top tier should be the focus for fine tuning, however.
6. Disagree to an extent. You need some way to attract players who otherwise wouldn’t play PvP. Plentiful rewards for long-term and skillful play also need to exist, though.
7. Agree about the downtime. The purpose of the one month wait was for balance to settle. But if nothing is done about awful balance at the end of that month (just before ranked play resumes), why bother waiting? Keep the gap between seasons to 1 or 2 weeks max. That’s enough to squash bugs and do some maintenance.
8. Agree. Mystic Forge please.
9. Not sure how often people use these anymore. But if there was any easy way to stop team swapping for wins or team stacking, it would help a lot. Maybe only allow players to join the losing side if team size is even.
10. Agree that better dialogue needs to happen surrounding balance. It seems that every three months, we get changes thrown at us, some of which makes little to no sense. Maybe give us a few weeks preview instead of a few days so that players can weigh in suggested changes? Also, acknowledging our complaints would help quell the constant anger.
A lot of my disagreement is because the OP is viewing PvP as only for PvPers. You can’t do that. A community which doesn’t grow and recruit new members will quickly wither and die. In order to keep an active, strong community, you need to embrace all skill levels and varieties (casual, hardcore, PvE, etc) of players.
This ^^^ … you took the words out of my mouth, your conclusion was a classic and the OP is a minority. If you talk to pro players such as java. You d get a complete 180 from what the OP is insinuating. I guess the OP just want to fit in.
Nice thread indeed… 1 is Def broken, I didn’t know they could triple leap into the water field. I’ll see if I can come up with more suggestions but pretty much listed them all.
Ok, lets just forget that reaper and scrapper are the OPEST class atm. Nice jab on my logic. Like I said, you nerf the most OP class not the one in between but ok. I’ll watch from the sidelines.
And I am not disputing what you are saying but I wont consider a dps nerf till scrapper/ reaper get tone down.
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His point was they removed it for a reason. That doesn’t mean they can’t kitten up though.
I agree and I am allowed to express my opinion, aren’t I? They can nerf whatever they want on revs but don’t touch their dps, a dps class is supposed to hit hard.
Seriously there is 3 classes that are clearly OP which are rev, scrapper, druid.there is 1 class which is easy to play and in the right hands another OP class in necro. There is 1 class which is a need in ele as a support class.
How does rev need a nerf when its on par with 3 other classes? Seriously just answer the question, if mesmer and DH are slightly underpowered that makes them a slightly weaker option but a option. Warrior and thief atm are dirt but that doesnt mean revs need a nerf.
The OP of this thread keeps talking fact that rev is OP, ummmm against druid/scrapper/necro/ and depending mesmer it isnt. With basic logic if it has the ability to lose vs the 4 other top classes it cant be OP, it just means that the other classes too weak which is only 3.
I’ll say it a last time now. If you still aren’t able to comprehend this ,I don’t see much reason in discussing this any further with you.
You are basically saying that revenant who is entirely broken in his dmg-bruiser-role would be fine because other classes are viable in another role – for example an ele who is viable in his support role or a mesmer who is viable because of his 1v1 potential etc.
According to your logic revenant is fine because it’s on par with scrapper/reaper/druid and scrapper is fine because it’s on par with revenant/druid/reaper. So everything is fine and nothing should get nerfed.
It just doesn’t make sense to claim this when those classes aren’t in the same role.But still you say this:
Seriously there is 3 classes that are clearly OP which are rev, scrapper, druid.
Exactly revenant is op. Op classes should get nerfed. This thread is about revenant. If you think that scrapper, druid or dragonhunter is op as well, go and make another thread for them.
SAID THIS 1000 TIMES NOW!Actually, it does make sense. Revs are dps class, ele are supp, scrapper are bruiser and reaper are condi. So if the best of our category (revs) are OP as (ok slightly below) scrapper/bruiser or reaper/condi or ele/support?? Then why do you want them nerf??
If Anet ever implemented your plan, we travel back to January 2016/bunker meta because the bruiser/condi/support will be so hard to kill. The only thing revs are violating as a dps class is their numerous dodge but thieve’s have more dodges than them. Their dps is fine.
“Then why do you want them nerf??” Because they are op, as you yourself said.
I want their dodge nerf so I can at least get a chance against them, they might be the opest dps class but they are not as OP as reaper/scrapper and etc… Bunker ele can literally carry games, a good rev will but not as easy as a good ele. So yeah, Anet shouldn’t nerf revs before scrapper/ reaper …
Fyi: the OP is mostly complaining about their dps, I on the other hand, undertake that having high dps for dps class is mandatory.
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And you cant even que outside of this fugly lobby. Yep. 10/10 whoever decided to change that.
They have said why.
There were a few reasons for keeping players in HotM when queued:
- It forces new players to recognize they have completely different builds in PvP maps.
- You won’t miss the match accept because of load screens and get dishonor.
- We can make a better user experience (match accept and map voting) without having to worry about interrupting whatever a player might be doing elsewhere.
In order to allow queuing from outside HotM, we would need to change these things.
- We would need tech to remove players temporarily from queue during load screens.
- Create better tutorials or gating for new players so they don’t hop into PvP unprepared.
- Revisit the way the match flow UI works.
Second page of the Queuing out side of HoTM thread, about 3 pages back.
Sry but thats bs, we could que outside of lobby without any issue before.
Be honest – whats the problem to give us warning about getting removed from que when we try to change the map? Its already in system – if you leave/join party it gives you message about getting removed from que. If you join/leave youre removed from que.
So if player in pve qued up to pvp match and decided to switch map 3mins later, he press that magic waypoint button but instead of teleporting right away a message pop up about removing him from que if he switch map. Now he has 2 options – “cancel” to stay in que, "ok "and get removed from que
Problem solved. So f hard. But well.. its Anet. Looking at the “quality” of matchmaking speaks everything about the subject.
Tutorial is something they have to make regardless of this que stuff bc fresh players have no idea what to do.
Might be bs to you, but we the players don’t know the full ins and outs of the game engine. It’s easy to say something is easy when in reality we don’t have a clue how easy something is or is not to do.
Personally I’m always happen when ANet say why they can’t or will not do something even if I don’t like the answer. It’s better than a wall of silence.
This… None of us here have the data, but this rudeness is Def uncalled for.
Seriously there is 3 classes that are clearly OP which are rev, scrapper, druid.there is 1 class which is easy to play and in the right hands another OP class in necro. There is 1 class which is a need in ele as a support class.
How does rev need a nerf when its on par with 3 other classes? Seriously just answer the question, if mesmer and DH are slightly underpowered that makes them a slightly weaker option but a option. Warrior and thief atm are dirt but that doesnt mean revs need a nerf.
The OP of this thread keeps talking fact that rev is OP, ummmm against druid/scrapper/necro/ and depending mesmer it isnt. With basic logic if it has the ability to lose vs the 4 other top classes it cant be OP, it just means that the other classes too weak which is only 3.
I’ll say it a last time now. If you still aren’t able to comprehend this ,I don’t see much reason in discussing this any further with you.
You are basically saying that revenant who is entirely broken in his dmg-bruiser-role would be fine because other classes are viable in another role – for example an ele who is viable in his support role or a mesmer who is viable because of his 1v1 potential etc.
According to your logic revenant is fine because it’s on par with scrapper/reaper/druid and scrapper is fine because it’s on par with revenant/druid/reaper. So everything is fine and nothing should get nerfed.
It just doesn’t make sense to claim this when those classes aren’t in the same role.But still you say this:
Seriously there is 3 classes that are clearly OP which are rev, scrapper, druid.
Exactly revenant is op. Op classes should get nerfed. This thread is about revenant. If you think that scrapper, druid or dragonhunter is op as well, go and make another thread for them.
SAID THIS 1000 TIMES NOW!
Actually, it does make sense. Revs are dps class, ele are supp, scrapper are bruiser and reaper are condi. So if the best of our category (revs) are OP as (ok slightly below) scrapper/bruiser or reaper/condi or ele/support?? Then why do you want them nerf??
If Anet ever implemented your plan, we travel back to January 2016/bunker meta because the bruiser/condi/support will be so hard to kill. The only thing revs are violating as a dps class is their numerous dodge but thieve’s have more dodges than them. Their dps is fine.
I just watched the challenger cup and i would like to say a few things about it because of this thread.
Zero counter play had a DH and he played great and even won some 1 vs 1 vs necro. The classes he could nothing against was scrapper/ele/ and a few times druid. Literally the scrapper from Best Team North Africa 1 vs 2 the Dh and i beleive a ele.
In the EU scene ROM against i believe ASDF played scrapper and won a 1 vs 1 vs a rev and he did it again on druid in temple.
Seriously there is 3 classes that are clearly OP which are rev, scrapper, druid. there is 1 class which is easy to play and in the right hands another OP class in necro. There is 1 class which is a need in ele as a support class.
How does rev need a nerf when its on par with 3 other classes? Seriously just answer the question, if mesmer and DH are slightly underpowered that makes them a slightly weaker option but a option. Warrior and thief atm are dirt but that doesnt mean revs need a nerf.
The OP of this thread keeps talking fact that rev is OP, ummmm against druid/scrapper/necro/ and depending mesmer it isnt. With basic logic if it has the ability to lose vs the 4 other top classes it cant be OP, it just means that the other classes too weak which is only 3.
Its Way to op aginst and compared to the classes you dont mention.
100-0 thief warrior with sword 2 3+ weapon swap, sigil dmg on swap, legend swap dmg, staff skill 4. All can be achived in 1 sec. Then all the rest rev skills and abillities if the thief or war l2p and doegde omve or twice.Can we get Wilson in here. Favoritte twitch streamer. Gave up his war to play rev.
He have a clear statement on how much and how and were his new class rev overpreform compared to say warrior and any other class.
This guy even fells bad when he squash people one rotation, why? Propperly cause he knows its a uneven matchup.Wilson 4 President btw. Just get back on war
What you are saying is a fact, but er could say the same about other classes. In the dps category, you have:
Revs = GOD tier followed by DH = great then thieves = good and warrior = meh.
In the condi department you have:
Necro = GOD followed by mesmer = great follow by warrior and thieves = good.
If I may make an analogy on your question, it’s like asking a mesmer condi dmg to be on par with a necro. And I main warrior, so I would welcome a rev nerf, dude they are the strongest DPS class. But the issue is YOU DON’T NERF WHAT’S IN BETWEEN as it may create problems later on. What Anet has to do is first nerf scrapper and reaper and see how revs will adapt in the new meta. If they are proven to be insanely strong then the devs team has to nerf accordingly. Needless to say, I am expecting a warr buff at the end of this season.
^^ ok dude, you are actually the type of player I don’t want on this forum. The mods have started communicating with us and you called their opinions hot air?? Do would you rather have a real “hot air” as in noone communicating with us or this type of hot air. Dude watch what 6ou are saying.
Day 15 = No progress .. I don’t plan on playing this weekend because of my ping.. but I’ll try to.
Although I agree with much of your post, 5he MMR algorithm is Def BROKEN.
Yup, I was. And DH is a dps class I understand that they are strong however anet should prioritize on scrapper, reaper, etc… And I guess I was one of those people who mentioned DH in this thread, yeah if Anet presented me with a rev and DH nerf, I’ll go for the DH. IMO both classes are fine, I brought them to emphasize my point, and if may, I’ll gladly reiterate it for you:
. just b3cause revs counter your class doesn’t mean they deserve a nerf, you always nerf the most op class not the one in between. I could said the same about DH, just because DH are strong against melee warrior doesn’t mean they deserve a nerf; but I’ll consider a DH nerf over a Rev nerf because unlike revs DH can hold points alone.
Also look around, how many people are complaining about revs this meta??
There is no discussion needed about whether revenant is balanced or not and I never asked for a discussion.
We get it. You’re mad that you got stomped and you’re lashing out like a 2 year old – “nerf ‘em because they’re making me look like a fool”.
Here’s a thought – record one of your matches and post it here for all of us to see. We’ll help point out areas where you can improve.
Aha this sarcasm though, I know where he got this one. Ahha
Yeah, I belive you are supposed to get desertion after 2 min’s of afk ing.
if you check combat report you will see that power damage usually is 3x cond damage.
this game have quite fast combat, the best way to win a fight is the burst damage, even a necro need the shroud to end a fight, is hard to kill only with conditions.
But condi on a foe is a garanteed kill though, which explains why most viable build, in this meta, are condi builds.
GraTs K pop!!!
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Thanks for the feedback.
To jump on the zerk amulet bandwagon, zerker= downstate in high elo. So I wouldn’t run it, it just doesn’t benefit the team.
@kdaddy:
Yes and I will keep saying this, because it is weird. Saying rev is fine because it is worse than other classes in one or two certain things like healing is super weird.As I said before according to this logic, Einstein or Stephen Hawking aren’t more intelligent than most of us because they know nothing about romance languages and literature.
@Fivedawgs: Maybe it is you who should learn to read and to comprehend not me. I never denied that other classes are viable.But as I said thousand times before now : Only because 4 other classes are viable in different roles doesn’t mean that rev is fine and justifies it have broken skills and traits.
Ehehe, maybe I should learn to read indeed, but revs are fine. I ll repost I made earlier.
. just b3cause revs counter your class doesn’t mean they deserve a nerf, you always nerf the most op class not the one in between. I could said the same about DH, just because DH are strong against melee warrior doesn’t mean they deserve a nerf; but I’ll consider a DH nerf over a Rev nerf because unlike revs DH can hold points alone.
If you consider a DH nerf above rev you are just plain wrong.
Sorry if i misunderstood you.
Yup, that what I meant seeing how conquest is not always about winning 1 vs 1 but more on taking on holding points. And it’s from the perspective of a melee warrior/player.
@kdaddy:
Yes and I will keep saying this, because it is weird. Saying rev is fine because it is worse than other classes in one or two certain things like healing is super weird.As I said before according to this logic, Einstein or Stephen Hawking aren’t more intelligent than most of us because they know nothing about romance languages and literature.
@Fivedawgs: Maybe it is you who should learn to read and to comprehend not me. I never denied that other classes are viable.But as I said thousand times before now : Only because 4 other classes are viable in different roles doesn’t mean that rev is fine and justifies it have broken skills and traits.
Ehehe, maybe I should learn to read indeed, but revs are fine. I ll repost I made earlier.
. just b3cause revs counter your class doesn’t mean they deserve a nerf, you always nerf the most op class not the one in between. I could said the same about DH, just because DH are strong against melee warrior doesn’t mean they deserve a nerf; but I’ll consider a DH nerf over a Rev nerf because unlike revs DH can hold points alone.
You still don’t understand that it doesn’t matter if you have 4 other classes in a different role being viable. It simply doesn’t justify that the revenant has broken skills, broken traits and being simply the best in this role.
In the dhuumfire-meta you also had other classes being viable – it was laughable op tho.
Your whole logic and argumentation is super weird.
B3cause in this meta other class aren’t viable ??? Dude, I am starting to believe you are not reading what k daddy is saying. He even said below if you have a team of 4 revs and 1 ele against a team with 1 reaper 1 engi 1 ele 1 DH ( or something along those lines); the revs team would lose. A feat that wasn’t possible in the dhumfire meta. So, it’s pretty obv that we have more variety now compared to the dhumfire meta.
You still don’t understand that it doesn’t matter if you have 4 other classes in a different role being viable. It simply doesn’t justify that the revenant has broken skills, broken traits and being simply the best in this role.
In the dhuumfire-meta you also had other classes being viable – it was laughable op tho.
Your whole logic and argumentation is super weird.Hey i play warrior and ele most of the time, when im in matches i know right away if i will be able to beat the OP class and its 4-5 of them.
You keep saying my logic is weird but you honestly dont see that a good all around class who fill a role but isnt the best at anything kind of balanced?
As a warrior am literally fighting engys/revs/druids with perma stability. Im fighting dragon hunters with a F3 skill that makes it so you can hurt them and i lack sustain. Mesmer can now moa people twice in a 5 second span and use a portal to check the other point. You dont think search and rescue is broken when the necro skill for that, which is a trait is only 600 range?
I know the problems and the differences but you are picking 1 class you do not like and asking for a nerf and are saying other classes are not as OP which is completely false.
Like I said above, revs probably counter the OP class
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Yup decap decap and decap… especially far and also insta stomp.
Lol at defy pain, why do I feel like the op main thief?? You should have added teleport and insta down on your list. Also those bounces/insta evades have to be removed too.
Ps: I don’t want to hear thieves say they can’t play without stealth or bounces/evades/dodges.
/s
Feel the same way, in the current meta revs need a support to be effective.
Ye in sapphire things might feel different. And no rev doesn’t counter my class.
I also never said I want them nerfed hard. I just want that they are balanced and not make any other dps build redundant and 10 times worse.But ye as I mentioned above, in the environment of most people here in this thread – dragonhunter is probably the biggest threat for you.
Idk, why you keep on pushing the experience thong on my head; you are staring to cross the line. First of all, I am ruby not saphire not that it changes anything but I have stalled Pony Slaystation or for at least 45 sec with my warrior and had close round against phataram. So idk, what you are barking about. Revs atm are ok, I duo with a diamond friend today and what I noticed is that the revs up there are more effective because there is always a bunker near by. So to be blunt, revs don’t need a nerf, they don’t need it. 2hat Anet has to do is to bring other classes on par.
And about DH, idk if you live in a cave or what, but if you have been following the AG tourney; you d know that DH can carry games. I have seen Naru carry his team twice because he was on a DH. just b3cause revs counter your class doesn’t mean they deserve a nerf, you always nerf the most op class not the one in between. I could said the same about DH, just because DH are strong against melee warrior doesn’t mean they deserve a nerf; but I’ll consider a DH nerf over a Rev nerf because unlike revs DH can hold points alone.
DH are also SUPER punishing to melee and point capping. A Thief can’t decap a node that a DH is on, ever. A DH can hold a point just because his traps are just about the same size as the node. They’re just cap griefers. If their traps were nerfed a bit, they’d be a bit more in line. Also, their crazy sustain. I’ve seen a DH go from 20% to full just from their sustain and blocks alone. They really have too much block uptime. I’ve tried countless times to rez deny/stomp deny, but they just block everything.
Hence my point, I’ll consider a DH nerf before a revs. .. Aand I agree with everything you said. Last meta, DH were laughed at because folks could just bunker their dmg. This meta they are as strong as revs if no better if you consider what they actually bring in tf.
Feel the same way, in the current meta revs need a support to be effective.
Ye in sapphire things might feel different. And no rev doesn’t counter my class.
I also never said I want them nerfed hard. I just want that they are balanced and not make any other dps build redundant and 10 times worse.But ye as I mentioned above, in the environment of most people here in this thread – dragonhunter is probably the biggest threat for you.
Idk, why you keep on pushing the experience thong on my head; you are staring to cross the line. First of all, I am ruby not saphire not that it changes anything but I have stalled Pony Slaystation or for at least 45 sec with my warrior and had close round against phataram. So idk, what you are barking about. Revs atm are ok, I duo with a diamond friend today and what I noticed is that the revs up there are more effective because there is always a bunker near by. So to be blunt, revs don’t need a nerf, they don’t need it. 2hat Anet has to do is to bring other classes on par.
And about DH, idk if you live in a cave or what, but if you have been following the AG tourney; you d know that DH can carry games. I have seen Naru carry his team twice because he was on a DH. just b3cause revs counter your class doesn’t mean they deserve a nerf, you always nerf the most op class not the one in between. I could said the same about DH, just because DH are strong against melee warrior doesn’t mean they deserve a nerf; but I’ll consider a DH nerf over a Rev nerf because unlike revs DH can hold points alone.
Repeat after me: “Matchmaking is not rigged.”
Lol… matchmaking is not rigged
Day 15= ruby t2 … 2 pip away from t3.
BUILD = POWER warrior
I don’t get it… I’ve played about 2500 matches, and I feel way more effective on current Mesmer, Ele, and Ranger in the current state of pvp. Perhaps I need more practice on Rev, but I can count at least 3 or 4 other classes that should potentially be nerfed before Rev.
Feel the same way, in the current meta revs need a support to be effective. I don’t why the op want them nerfed so hard. ( maybe because they counter his class).
A rev nerf is Def not needed, revs like warrior or thieves for that matter are dps class, so they are supposed to hit hard. I get your point about survavility though. Still like someone above me pointed, reaper, scrapper and DH (yes DH) need to be nerfed/tweaked not revs.
DH doesn’t need a nerf at all they need at least a 15% buff on sword damage across all skills and an additional 150 range on the sword 2 teleport.
Well, maybe I should ask Naru why he keeps on brining DH in tourney.
A rev nerf is Def not need
You must be experienced in pvp, aren’t you?
Ehehe, and I play warrior,if anything I’ll welcome a rev nerf with open hands. It just happened that they are oper class then revs atm. So,I wouldn’t be right for anet to ignore those and focus on revs. Anet should prioritize reapers, scrappers.
But I get that this thread is about revs.
A rev nerf is Def not needed, revs like warrior or thieves for that matter are dps class, so they are supposed to hit hard. I get your point about survavility though. Still like someone above me pointed, reaper, scrapper and DH (yes DH) need to be nerfed/tweaked not revs.
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You might be right, I’ll make a thread about it later.. don’t want to derail this one.
Off topic -
But condi are the main source of dps this meta … end of off topic.
The never ending losing streak is a mix of a lot of things.
Sometimes the elitists are correct when they tell you that you are not good enough. I VoDed myself and saw some mistakes, which I’m correcting and the games are less of a blowout. However they are not completely correct.
Sometimes the system matches you with a complete baddies versus people with high MMR who are given free pass to climb the ladder.
^ This is the problem with the matchmaking.
We get it. Good players need to climb the ladder faster. However, I can guarantee that these good players do not like the blowouts they do every single time until they reach diamond.
The system should be smarter than this. Matching first timers who .. i dont even know how … climbed into ruby, with average players who understand the mechanics of the game and try to play the game.
And make no mistake. The difference between average and pro in this game is the choice making. Whether you’d run to +1 a 2vs2 fight or decap nearby point and +1 or fight 1on1 for few minutes or give up the point to +1 a fight elsewhere and snowball from there.
Most average players are mechanically good and can kite/juke just as well.
Sadly I’m never matched with such :c
In the majority of my games, now that I play mesmer, I place a portal at far and avoid a fight with a scrapper/reaper to +1 mid. We win the fight which resulted in 3vs2 thanks to me doing the +1 I open the portal and surprise surprise. I’m the only person going into the portal. Which makes me cringe because I know I’ll fight scrapper/reaper for couple of minutes alone.
But yeah, I can’t force people to teamplay. Especially when they don’t know how to do it.
Yah matchmaking is whack…
This here though: ‘Good players need to climb the ladder faster.’
This is said a lot… but rather ’Good players *should climb the ladder faster’*
- because they’re better, not because they are given a free pass. Why should ‘better’ players not have to work for it as much as everybody else?
Why should some players be exempt from having teams with wildly differing skill levels like average players are having to contend with?
If a player is that much better let them rise from the same level playing field.I’m fully an advocate of a hard MMR reset at the beginning of the season and free movement up and DOWN divisions and tiers.
A lot of ‘good’ players will get a hell of a wake up call.
Classic!!
Have you ever asked to your self “why I loose”?!
I asked my self why I loose in ruby division for 5 days in a row; after I’ve questioned my self I am Diamond division tier 2…
Why I loose:
1. I criticize my team mates very often, because they are weaker than me; if I do that they became more weaker.
2. If I see I’m the one who carries I stop fighting, I don’t want these people in my same division… they don’t deserve it!
3. I don’t criticize the opponent team/players, they remain strong…
4. I don’t use strategy…(because solo queue, nobody listens to 1 player, they all think you are a bully, or they are better)
5. Solo queue: If you are a ruby, you end up with sapphire team mates, against 4 ruby 1 sapphire..piramid winning, the best climbs faster…
6. Simply bad luck!
7. I’m a bad player!What did I change:
1. Never criticize team mates, just block them!
2. I don’t care any more about the team mates what division they are in! Or the enemy team! I just want to win, and I win!
3. When my team wins a team fight/1vs1, I just write at “say” chat, they/you are weak, just give up already! They get so frustrated, that they really loose !
4. I use strategy, I got 5 friends from this season 2, with them I duo-trio, they listen to me, and the other team mates see we 3 people doing that, they join the strategy, they listen! For ex. We beat a super tanky team to dust yesterday, we didn’t even let them move to anything, we just waited them to come out, against 2 ele, 1 mesmer, 1 thieve, 1 reaper, we wiped the floor with them, that’s because everybody did the strategy!
5. The best climbs faster… well, if you have a loosing strike, change your strategy; like duo/trio team up; make new profession, learn all the classes abilities; learn from metabattle, try it out in unranked 5 times, and you can change your skill sets after that to your advantage, play stile..Everybody goes copy-paste meta battle, I do not, I change some skills, sigils on my professions, and I know what am I doing with them, and why!
6. Yes, sometimes you are winning, and one little mistake and you lost, that’s always in the pack card! It’s called bad luck!
7. After 5 days consecutive losses I thought I’m a bad player, my place is ruby only, after that I didn’t played that much, and one day I got 28 pip winning strike… because I’ve changed my strategy … people saw me I’m better, and now team up with me, they listen to me, I listen to them, and the most of the times we win! It’s very hard to get pips in diamond I assure you, but in 3-4 hours (15 min queue in them) I got 1 tier diamond.. so if I calculate right, I will get legendary easy!In season 1 I always considered my self a diamond player, until now, I consider my self legendary, why not?! If I make limits to my self I will remain in diamond this season to!
I will make strategy and improvement to get to legendary division!
Nice reply but it’s a kind of condescending. I belive that the OP has the ability to know whether or not he threw a game. The MMR system being faulty is part of the reason why he is here. So, stop telling people that there are the reason why they are constantly losing.
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