Guild Wars 2

meow one twenty.4376:

Seifer Thalaen.7869:

Josh Davis.6015:

Josh Davis.6015:

As a note, we’re aware of the odd interaction between elementalist downstate and Vampirism runes and are tracking a fix for an upcoming build.

Rune of Vamp downstate bug was fixed on Tuesday.

Yeah too bad that now you can use F skills while in vamp mist

GG

Wait, is this Ele specific?

i guess not, was pretty common in engineer’s static discharge build, since be biggest chunk of the damage comes from toolbelt skills (F1-F5) ;-)

posthumecaver.6473:

Did any of these fixes multiple activation of confusion damage on “Unrelenting Assault”?

• Unrelenting Assault: Increased the recharge from 10 seconds to 12 seconds. Fixed a bug so that this skill will more report damage as a multi-hit skill allowing it to stack up damage per target rather than displaying each instance of damage individually.

I guess this was the issue with the confusion activation for each hit. It’s not explicit but i’m pretty sure. Let’s check it out next BWE ^^

caerulean.4837:

Argon.1563:

Roy Cronacher.1576:

Much to your dismay, Revenant’s do need a weakness.

Its a shame ArenaNet haven’t bothered applying that idea to the Warrior.

This made me lol

He said Rev needs a weakness, not that every other class does :O /sarcasm_off

Adamantium.3682:

Well there are quite a lot of unblockable skills out there and ways to get unblockable attacks. I don’t think this skill is going to be as good as we might think, I hope to be wrong.

if someone is fast enough to deplay an ublockable attack, it was fast enough to deploy a cc when we had a breakbar. Fact is, in the latter case, we were punished hard .
Also there are way more CC skills than Unblockable skills, and not every class has them.

I think Mjolnir is the greatest fit given the electricity theme.
I think i’ll go for it first then make the scavenge hunt for the colossus and work on the juggy. Unless legendaries 2.0 are way better

Well necro is the boon corrupter by definition and is pretty good at it.
Thief can steal them, engi can remove them.
Revenant is a nice addition in the panorama, but is not that we lack it.
Surely, not every class can, but I do not see a problem

Vegito.3048:

Am i the only one who would much rather keep the defiance bar on crystal hibernation and just fix the amount soft ccs chunk off of it?

mmm yes…almost same function without the downside and with more customization with runes/traits.
Block anyday

Adamantium.3682:

ronpierce.2760:

I hope you realize that your defenses against conditions… really didn’t change much. It still relies on resistance from the trait. if anything, with the lower costs on the new UA and EtD, your “defenses” theoretically went up a smidge…

Your weakness to conditions didn’t do anything, all that changes was what you do WITH them, and it only ‘really’ changed in the form of EtD not COPYING them back. AFAIK, EtD never transfered them or removed them, so I’m not sure what you’re on about. Good luck though with your burn guard having very little resistance removal and getting smoked by Banish Enchantments.

I’ve seen a couple of threads like this and it’s funny because these forum warriors who are so personally offended by the change really seem to have no idea how Mallyx worked in the first place. Just as you describe, nothing about the change to Mallyx reduces defense against conditions. If anything it’s gone up.

Yeah definetly. We might have loose some flavor on mallyx, the displacement and the condicopy but our defense against condi is easier that before… sure we do not clense, we resist..i like that..only bit of flavour left on mallyx!

Vennyhedgie.5369:

Demented Yak.6105:

Gaaroth.2567:

Killyox.3950:

That condi copy trait is useless. It may proc when you have just 1 condi but be on ICD when a second later you got 5 on yourself.

Should be 100% chance with 15s ICD with a thresold of 3 condis on rev to activate the trait.

and this, sir, is pretty kitten good suggestion

I second that.

Except you’ll never have 3 condis on you because obviously your allies will be cleansing them!

I see what you did there

Just stopping to say “hey!” to our fellow Irenio, since it will be the main face of the Scrapper. I can’t to see it in action and to give you the feedback to make our spec even more awesome of what surely already is.
Cheers!

actually, is pretty random..so just keep trying.
I know is frustrating but look, i’ve done mine in a run where i stepped into the fire multiple times.
Go figure ;-)

Tapioca.9062:

Oh, Ten Ton Hammer didn’t have the exclusive reveal this time? What a surprising turn of events. I wonder what happened there.

i see what you did

FLiP.7680:

I think you guys are not giving enough credit to the heals on shield.

Off-hand sword can block on the move, great! In 24 sec you can have 4 sec of block + high damage skill with an unreliable pull. Using shield you can have 3 sec of block + 4k heal + 4 sec of protection. In terms of survivability I can’t see how oh sword is better.

fixed the heal. still this with 1.9k on shield 4 gives an insame amount of self heal, near to elementalist. You run this on bunker builds, mostly.
People really do not see how strong it is right now…

Guys, seriously? with all the resistence that you can cumulate with mallyx we are FAR from weak on conditions.
Sure we do not clean them, we resist them, and imho is way more powerful.
1 stack of cover them all. It can be counterable with corrupt boons? Ok, then just reapply.
Cmon, i was never condibursted while in mallyx.

“But i have to build for it”
So be it.

We have an amazing class right now, you can’t really complaint that much

Invictus.1503:

- Skill that removes all boons on Mallyx and sends their inverse condition to all enemies within a radius (a true corruption, using his own boons rather than theirs)…I like this one as it seems a very demon-y thing to do “bah, I don’t need boons, but I can corrupt them into a weapon (evil laugh)!”

Immagine the sinergy with Glint wink wink

I prefer Scrapper way more, even if the charr society the “scrappers” are considerated filth :-D

I’m honestly a bit disappointed by the lack of information revealed. FIrst of all: where’s the class mechanic twist? It seems we are getting drones as utily (90% already known TGH) with relative toolbelts skills…so no toolbelt twist or rework?
If the class is that simple, why did they take so long to reveal?

Well it’s ok to not have one atm, otherwise what will Roy add on the next expansion?
For now ranged condi is not really at our disposal, in the future tho i totally see it coming.

Anyway, with the exception of AA, maxe/axe set is almost medium range since #2 to #5 have at least 400 range to hit. I’m not in extreme need of 900 or 1200 range weapon atm, looking at other tools to close gaps currently available to us

Killyox.3950:

Gaaroth.2567:

Aight after a good night sleep (actually not since i played till late hours but nvm ) i’ve concluded that higher damage on static foe is really not that great. We all want a dynamic combat in GW2 (even in PvE) and Rev is not exactly a class that can force you to stay still with chain Immob like an engi for example.

So i run some calcs, gathering all the torment application possible.
Yes is a bit scary, there are MANY sources but all are fairly low duration.
You can load up to 20 stacks in very optimal situation, but that would be extremely, EXTREMELY expensive. So atm it seems we have a fast reapplication that can fight well against costant clenses (elementalists? WvW frontline?).
So all in all i think that a condi revenant is definelty buffed and probably needs a nerf in some torment application skills.

Mace / axe are the primal torment application sources, with 3 skills to do so.
Unyielding Anguish is another big applicator.
Embrace the Darkness might be good if the upkeep cost goes down.

I’d touch Embrace the Darkness. I’d really like to have back that elite feel, the joy to see my char® go bananas knowing is going to unleash terrible pain to my foes.
Proposal, retain -8 upkeep and 10% stat increase, pulse every 2seconds 2s poison, 1s chill 4s torment (so max 2 stacks after 2 seconds instead of max 6 stacks after 6 seconds)
Mm this is strong: put -10 upkeep.
Axe also is an offhand liked by power builds too, so i’d nerf the torment application by switching the #5 to apply weakness instead.

Thoughts?

I could get 25 stacks in bwe 2 already without too many problems :P

Also I dislike your EtD proposal.

yes 25+ is totally reachable but you have to build for it and be very aware of your energy.
So i take you’d prefere an “easy” version, meaning less expensive and less powerful? Like? I honestly am a bit out of ideas on how to make EtD cool again.

Killyox.3950:

That condi copy trait is useless. It may proc when you have just 1 condi but be on ICD when a second later you got 5 on yourself.

Should be 100% chance with 15s ICD with a thresold of 3 condis on rev to activate the trait.

and this, sir, is pretty kitten good suggestion

i believe we are gonna have a huge talk on engi once the elite is out for testing.
Feedback is gonna get collected and used to adjust both the class and the spec.
At least, i really hope so.

NapTooN.6283:

I remember something from A-Net along the lines of “Engineers will get a Steam mechanic that has to be built up”.

Think about it like Lifeforce, you build it up with your Hammer and the Drones drain it slowly while active.

Another simpler Options: Which other AI do we know that has “limited fuel”? Ding Ding Ding, Guardians Spirit Weapons only last a few seconds!

it’s more and more likely that we get some sort of steam bar to fill.
This on the othe hand won’t be tied to the hammer since one should take the weapon he prefers regardless the class mechanic. So it will something on hit, struck or movement.
If they are going to replace the toolbelt mechanic they better add every single unique stuff toolbelt had not found in otther skills:

• invisibility
• proj reflection/hate
• area rez

also this would hurt medikit really bad. this kit need a major rework with the #1 skill to be an aoe heal that would justify the camping in the kit.

Well the article will be out this evening (for EU) so let’s wait and see

kankanKk.2748:

Gaaroth.2567:

LeviQuiteQuirky.6892:

Devastation

Not sure about this change as I never really looked at this trait line. I’m assuming it’s just to help open up build diversity. Feel free to inform me

• Assassin’s Presence: This trait has been moved to master tier replacing the place of Ferocious Strikes. /
• Ferocious Strikes: This trait has been moved to adept tier replacing the place of Assassin’s Presence. /

3) This was asked loudly because Assassin’s Presence is too good to pass on, so you’ll never take something nice like Rapid Lacerations in adept tier. Ferocious Strikes is good too but you do not always DualWield and even if, you might want to take said Rapid Laceration instead of it, and here the competition is fair.

Assassin’s Presence cannot stack. So move to master tier is bad if we have two revenant in party.
You dont need Dual sword to take effect of Ferocious Strikes. you can use sword/axe to take both effect of Vicious Lacerations and Ferocious Strikes.
I use Vicious Lacerations and Ferocious Strikes in bwe running with my friend use Assassin’s Presence and Ferocious Strikes and its optimize.
I think it better swap Ferocious Strikes and Vicious Lacerations. So we can choose self ferocity or party ferocity.

i understand but it was really unfair competition in the tier. I take this also as a little nerf since 350 ferocity basically free is really strong: think that you can get 400 thoughness if you have -10 upkeep in glint and you should see that the two cases are really imbalanced ;-)

Aight after a good night sleep (actually not since i played till late hours but nvm ) i’ve concluded that higher damage on static foe is really not that great. We all want a dynamic combat in GW2 (even in PvE) and Rev is not exactly a class that can force you to stay still with chain Immob like an engi for example.

So i run some calcs, gathering all the torment application possible.
Yes is a bit scary, there are MANY sources but all are fairly low duration.
You can load up to 20 stacks in very optimal situation, but that would be extremely, EXTREMELY expensive. So atm it seems we have a fast reapplication that can fight well against costant clenses (elementalists? WvW frontline?).
So all in all i think that a condi revenant is definelty buffed and probably needs a nerf in some torment application skills.

Mace / axe are the primal torment application sources, with 3 skills to do so.
Unyielding Anguish is another big applicator.
Embrace the Darkness might be good if the upkeep cost goes down.

I’d touch Embrace the Darkness. I’d really like to have back that elite feel, the joy to see my char® go bananas knowing is going to unleash terrible pain to my foes.
Proposal, retain -8 upkeep and 10% stat increase, pulse every 2seconds 2s poison, 1s chill 4s torment (so max 2 stacks after 2 seconds instead of max 6 stacks after 6 seconds)
Mm this is strong: put -10 upkeep.
Axe also is an offhand liked by power builds too, so i’d nerf the torment application by switching the #5 to apply weakness instead.

Thoughts?

It was a little needed nerf.. UA is very good and it had to be toned a bit down

FLiP.7680:

Why can’t you dodge if you know they will be “unloading everything” on you?

I like the change, it just sucks we’ll get rekt by necros with wh #4 and staff #5. The endure pain effect was better than block IMO.

well i prefer some skills that can just interrupt it instead of 2secs of stun and 25vuln.
Even if they interrupt it they have wasted an important skill and we still have ticked some heal.

At first it seemed a good merge, but now that you made me think about it yeah…5s on kitten CD is basically useless.
it has to go up to at least 10s to be worth, because in the same tier I usually prefer Ratailatory Evasion..

No the vuln was tied to the break bar

i know your feel m8.
But seems we have to deal with it, mallyx will be a heave DD, hopefully Roy will add some active gamplay that will reward player skill/ability like old Mallyx

Kodiak.3281:

Gaaroth.2567:

What’s wrong with you guys? It’s a strong heal, 4s block on 20cd. And you moan against being static? Umadbro?

3 second block. Compared to our other skills with a 2s block on a 10s cool down. That roots you. Am I saying it’s the most worthless thing ever? No. Am I saying there’s superior alternatives? Yep. Am I complaining about being static in a game that from the earliest levels teaches you that keeping mobile is the key to not dying? Yep.

If you don’t bring things like this up now, in the development phase, you end up sitting on them for potentially years before they’re looked at again as working or not working. I’d rather say how it is now than basically regulate shield to yet another useless or ultra niche weapon alternative in this game.

it’s a friggin 4k heal on 20s cd…if you want to move, u gonna loose that, because otherwise is just a stronger version of the blocks you mentioned. There MUST be a drawback otherwise this skill would be OP.
To me is balanced given the strong effect. Can’t understand how is not that obvious. Changing from breakbar to block was the greatest thing ever.

Nice idea to tweak around torment but since barely no1 is standing still only place is pve and even there targeta should be way more actvie , right? RIGHT?
So here a couple of suggestions:

• we already have plenty of torment and good confusion let’s add something unique since we lost old mallyx
• we have a nice condition that is way underused in game: slow. We cast it on downed AA so we already have it as class. Applications: put in on unyielding anguish instead of torment, so overall the torment stack should be less scary or put it on Embrace the Darkness keeping actual upkeep cost.
  I’d fine with either. What you think?
• alternative that goes well with torment is fear for obvious reasons. You can put it on UA on landing or make a trait “fear foes you torment 2s, 30sCD” or something like that, or even pulse fear on EtD, short duration long interval like 1s every 5s.

What’s wrong with you guys? It’s a strong heal, 4s block on 20cd. And you moan against being static? Umadbro?

CI should do it now since is a common block, never tried that on UA actually, but might be good to have!

Roy Cronacher.1576:

Gaaroth.2567:

Roy Cronacher.1576:

The block time is 3 seconds, you are rooted, conditions can be applied to you if the attack is unblockbale (Works like any other block skill), and the healing is the same 900 per tick resulting is just under 4k base.

What about capture prevention? I immagine is still there.

No, it doesn’t have capture point prevention on it anymore.

Well THAT is really good. This skill can’t be more perfect <3

Kidel.2057:

Roy Cronacher.1576:

The block time is 3 seconds, you are rooted, conditions can be applied to you if the attack is unblockbale (Works like any other block skill), and the healing is the same 900 per tick resulting is just under 4k base.

3 seconds or 4 seconds?

Just….read? it was 3s before, it’s still 3s now

Roy Cronacher.1576:

The block time is 3 seconds, you are rooted, conditions can be applied to you if the attack is unblockbale (Works like any other block skill), and the healing is the same 900 per tick resulting is just under 4k base.

What about capture prevention? I immagine is still there.

Roy Cronacher.1576:

While it does roots you, it is a long block that also heals you for a large amount. Basically like some of our lower heal skills right now. If you could move while using this skill it’s power would need to be brought down a lot.

Exactly <3

Drarnor Kunoram.5180:

Jekkt.6045:

this is a double edged sword because it’s only a block now, not an invul anymore. this means that all the unblockable skills like greater marks 5, mirror blade, phoenix, tool kit pull will go through this.

not saying that it is bad, just saying that it also has new downsides.

On the other hand, now it synergizes with Runes of the Guardian.

Togheter with sword#4 … mmmmm

Im fine too. Also well if enemy will time burst after the block you can time a dodge, an i wrong? ;-)

Naleth.6214:

Now I know this wouldnt mesh well with the crystal hibernation at 25% trait, but you could just make it so the trait auto recharges crystal hibernation instead maybe.

this is a great idea

Rich Fuel.7253:

alot of you QQ cuz mallyx was nerfed, i infact think it was buffed, i hated the fact that i apply condi on my self with my skills,
Unyielding Anguish was alloying lots of condi and confusion the hell out of foes, and i didnt like it from the begining its too powerfull, now we have a darkfield that pulses torment, and u can leech from it,

We are not lamenting for anything you mentioned.
Fact is we understand general sentiment that drove Roy, and we accept it, even if the legend will lose a very peculiar flavor.
So no more self applied condition, and all the skill reflect this change.

Unyielding Anguish was to strong, and we agree, but now with 10s CD and no CC at all is plain too expensive for what it does. Needs a kb/fear back on landing, just landing, or a proper bump in the leap range (900 is ok).

Main grip is about Embrace the Darkness. This skill no longer copies our condition on foes around but just applies 1 torment for 6s every sec. Considering the overall cost this is silly even if it buffs for 10% of our stats. If it keeps this state the cost must be brought to AT LEAST 6 pips of upkeep (i’d vote for 5 so you can keep it up) or restore the condition copy mechanic (prefered) or increase by far the torment application.

Here’s a reddit post discussing a possible spoiler for the engi elite spec.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/3l1ldo/spoiler_engineer_elite_spec_some_details/

Sounds pretty cool!

Vennyhedgie.5369:

I read the revenant forums methodically, trying to keep all the topics greyed out.

So i’m not the only weirdo

warherox.7943:

My Charr Revenant

are you the little or the big one?

savacli.8172:

The biggest argument I saw for the Mallyx changes was the whole ‘not playing nice with parties’. Being an MMO I kinda have to agree with Roy’s decision of catering to groups/teams rather than the individual.

However, I also agree that Mallyx did lose its uniqueness. It’s not totally useless, but rather seems simple and straightforward now. In other words, we lost the potential fire power from the risky play of hoarding all those conditions. The tradeoff was fair: we could hoard as much as we wanted growing more and more powerful but being very fragile hiding behind our resistance.

The new Mallyx seems like an extreme 180 from its original instalment, but we still got some time to try out the legend in BW3 and get in some feedback to find more of a middle ground for both the players and devs. E.G. Preserve the risk-reward play but letting the Legend be “team-friendly”

I understand Roy’s thinking and I agree, in fact all changes in that department are great.
UA needed a change, and i got it, but now is useless so it still need some adjustment either in more utility with added CC or longer ranger or way lesser cost/CD.

EtD nerf was plain useless and out of the context of the previous things.
Just..out of the blue..whoever complained that much about mallyx elite in the first place? All major complaints were about UA (shiro’s and mallyx’s) and shiled#5.
I just do not understand.

well, i totally agree. it feels more of a place holder than a real rework. but i’m honestly out of cool ideas.. maybe attack some other conditions?

Photinous.4628:

Kronos.2560:

He probably doesn’t play revenant and now that Mallyx can’t fight back against conditions is loving the idea of steamrolling us.

The elite consumed too much energy to really be useful anyways

think now how much is good without the condi copypasterino XD

Killyox.3950:

Banish Enchantment – Bad. Kinda bugger because now it’s 3 and that’s it. Previously it could go to 6 if conditions were met and 3 like that. The way I see it is straight out nerf

it was 2 stacks 6s on activation + same as bonus with 3 condions on you.
So is kinda buff since not always you have 3 condi on you.
Totally agree on rest.

Vennyhedgie.5369:

Mallyx was the underdog that nobody took because they were blinded by shiro’s “coolness”, but I absolutely loved it, never left my bar. I always though Shiro was plain and boring. If they dont revert the mallyx elite change, now it’s gonna deserve its underdog position as it’s literally the worst legend of them all. Embrace the Darkness’ condi copying made it worth trading shiro off, now you’re better off spamming autos with quickness than taking the condi legend, how stupid is that

yeah look, LOOK HOW IT IS COOL, AND SCARY, AND FABULOUS. No more :-(

moonlightseal.6927:

If AOE condition is too strong make using EtD’s first attack after casting it place a hex on one person transferring like it did before.

well, this is good!