I assumed they would use their scaling system to do lots of cool things like 10-20 player ‘raids’ where you can play with however many people you’ve got. But even just simple things like the appalling party UI means anything like that is a pipe dream.
xD Like I said I think 20 man dungeons are too much. If they wanted to make it large.. I wouldn’t go larger than at least 12.. if they really wanna push it then 15.
Yeah, 20 man dungeons aren’t dungeons. They’re raids.
Sorry to hear that, but your guild leader got what he deserved if he was exploiting. I hope Arena Net attempts to help your guild with the transfer of leadership though, even though the guild SHOULD of had a second in command that could take over easily.
If the whole “exploiting” thing was actually “exploiting,” I’d agree with you. They never should have banned these people in the first place.
However, even if it WAS exploiting, they still shouldn’t screw over several hundred people because of the actions of ONE.
I’ve been through your situation before in a few MMOs. It’s very frustrating, that because your leader is banned/quits the game, it punishes every other member for his/her mistake.
I don’t think it’s fair Anet just pushed this case to the side and lazily responded with “can’t do anything about it”.
This problem hasn’t just been with this banning. A lot of guilds have this issue. They said that they’re looking in to it before, especially given that you can’t ‘demote’ a guild leader, which can lead to issues.
It’s an unfortunate issue, but what would you suggest for them to do?
Make all the officers, equal-rank leaders in the guild. At that point you can at least work it out amongst yourselves.
When you enter a dungeon, it says “recommended players: 5” on the confirmation screen. This might hint that there will be dungeons for other player counts down the road.
Hundreds of members will make short work of the essential guild upgrades. Step up, take the problem by the kittens, announce the new name, leadership structure and move date.
Don’t wait, repent today!
Barring the -needed- ANet reversal, this is a great plan.
Looks more like they’re the same, but the “New” one just had a shot taken with much lower graphical settings.
No matter what the guild leader did, I personally don’t feel as though it is fair to punish all the members/underlings.
GW2 should have a means of leadership transfer in case of an account being banned, deleted, abandoned, etc.
It is about the people and the time they have put into their guild, and not about one single player bringing a guild to its knees for their behavior.
I understand being angry with exploiters but punishing innocents for it… The guild members are innocent or they would have been banned too. Guilt by association should not apply in this case.I would simply suggest that the active members each create a support ticket and hopefully someone in charge can help you all out with a transition.
IMHO, what should happen in this case is that every member of their “hundreds large” guild should put in a support request about it. This knee-jerk decision is unconscionable.
My only hope is that we don’t have a repeat of the Karka event. Fantastic, beautiful new zone….with the only visitation reason being to farm a few Ori Ore once a day.
If they can’t pull off something that people will truly find worthy of repeat-visiting, they shouldn’t bother.
That said…I have faith that they’ll knock one out-the-park.
So, you leader was banned likely rightfully, and the guild is risking to fall apart?
Sounds fair to me. When a leader is cheating, All the fruits of his labor should be confiscated after he/she has been banned.Now, that’s what i call fair.
Plus, I thought that being in a guild would be all about the people, not the benefits
That’s a pretty stupid and naive point of view. So if the president of your company is caught committing some kind of fraud, you’re happy about losing your job because of something he did?
Try thinking before you make idiotic statements.
The ’ole tried and true comparrison to real world possibilities is never a surprise but never even remotely comparable under any circumstance.
If you argue that it is, you need some serious help
he made a general statement that subordinates of leaders should be punished for the actions of the leaders. I made a general response. Of course it’s comparable. Saying it’s not doesn’t make it any less so.
It takes less time to get to lvl 10+ fractals and get ascended gear than it would to save the karma and buy such a thing. It would have to be exorbitantly expensive due to the status of “between exotic and legendary.”
I have been running lvl 10 dailies for 8 days now. I have gotten THREE ascended rings from daily chests in that amount of time.
This gear is -not- hard to get.
Also: Level 10 fractals are still easier than the easiest dungeons… I don’t know why people are so scared of them. Even at level 19 (my highest level achieved yet), SE Exp makes them look like a cakewalk.
So, you leader was banned likely rightfully, and the guild is risking to fall apart?
Sounds fair to me. When a leader is cheating, All the fruits of his labor should be confiscated after he/she has been banned.Now, that’s what i call fair.
Plus, I thought that being in a guild would be all about the people, not the benefits
That’s a pretty stupid and naive point of view. So if the president of your company is caught committing some kind of fraud, you’re happy about losing your job because of something he did?
Try thinking before you make idiotic statements.
A “PVP” server doesn’t make any sense in the context of GW2. There’s no such thing as open-world PVP, and creating such a thing would be a rewrite of the way GW2 works.
Just WvW and sPVP.
Regrettably they have also said that they won’t officially support RP servers. I -really- hope they change their mind on that one, but I’m not too hopeful for it. They’ve been very quiet on the subject.
Two weeks ago I stopped spending money completely, other than an Exotic trident I needed for my Guard as well as Omnomberry Pies. I’ve been running a lot of fractals and dungeons.
I’ve salvaged all the rares and exotic drops I’ve recieved and kept the ectos for ascended upgrades. I’ve sold all the mats other than the ectos. At this point, in two weeks, I’ve saved 71 Gold and 110 Ectos.
Gold is not that hard to come by. One fractal run in particular stands out in memory because it netted me FOUR gold. In ONE run. I’ve only gotten to FotM level 19, so it’s not like I’m getting some crazy level 40 drops or anything.
Really. Some may say overpower or too hard to kill, I say they are the most challenging race you can fight!
Whoever programmed them, congrats, they are really hard, most notably when grouped (SE, or dredge fractal), and overall in the game the hardest mobs to kill (I’m not counting Orr, risen are just annoying).
So, what mobs do you find hard to deal with?
Not counting “PvE is too easy” kinds of posts, please, step back.
Yeah, 1v1 they’re not bad. The biggest “challenge” is when they get into groups of, say, 15-20+ and there is literally crap flying everywhere. The dredge fractal on either side where you have to break through the doors are a prime example of this.
If servers were to merge, we’d be sitting in LA overflow for 30 minutes instead of 15. No thanks.
And even if they did made a couple hundred, so what? Did you know that Volcanus sells for 597g at the CHEAPEST right now? And they -do- sell. Did you know that you can craft one for 200g and some fractal runs to buy skill points? So should people crafting volcanus be banned for exploiting?
I’m amazed at how people can pretend there is no difference between playing the game normally and abusing an obvious exploit. I wonder if someone honestly thinks that excuse would work in real life? “Hey, broke into this store and stole everything in it, but it’s almost the same thing as if I had bought it, isn’t it?”.
Except no one broke in anywhere and did anything. ANet shipped a legitimate looking recipe, the players made things with that recipe, and ANet banned them because there was a possible, yet unrealized possibility that they -might- make a profit…from crafting.
Funny, I thought the point of crafting WAS to make a profit. Silly me.
What You fail to realize is that he probably spent 60 ectos getting those 90, and 30 ectos is less than 10g profit. That’s NOTHING.
That’s someone abusing an exploit for nothing. Which is ironic, and makes the ban even sweeter.
So….someone does nothing wrong, gains no real profit, and you’re the type of person who squeals with glee because they got busted for nothing. That’s pretty sick.
A friend of mine got hit for this. He says got aprox 90 ectos from this.
Nice, one less exploiter in the game! Thank you ArenaNet!
You’re all high and mighty now, until you get banned for doing something innocent and innocuous. What You fail to realize is that he probably spent 60 ectos getting those 90, and 30 ectos is less than 10g profit. That’s NOTHING.
Do you mean from level 80’s? I probably won’t run fractals ever unless I can go with less than 5 in a party.
You can find a party in seconds on gw2lfg.com
You can also run it at any level. It levels you up to 80 when you enter.
This is not exploiting. That’s just what the talking heads have “decided” to call it.
Yeah, I’m sure thieves say what they do isn’t stealing either. That makes it perfectly harmless, doesn’t it?
I only hope ArenaNet will keep those sickening exploiters permanently banned from the game, instead of listenting to their rants about how the “poor things” made 500 gold “without realizing” there was something wrong with it.
Except no one made 500g. The market stabilized within an hour, and the other dependent mats compensated for the reduced cost of ectos. It’s an economy. That’s how it works.
Even people do did this dozens of times have admitted to making no more than a couple of gold. The highest claim I heard was 5 gold. (read: FIVE)
And even if they did made a couple hundred, so what? Did you know that Volcanus sells for 597g at the CHEAPEST right now? And they -do- sell. Did you know that you can craft one for 200g and some fractal runs to buy skill points? So should people crafting volcanus be banned for exploiting?
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If you guys feel so strongly about this, perhaps you should boycott the game until they relent.
Doesn’t do any good when you already paid for it.
They drop for me all the time in Fractals. Especially in the Jade Maw.
In the case of oversights by Anet with loot, why not roll back characters instead of perma banning them on issues that many players feel is a huge gray area?
Because cheaters deserve to be banned for abusing an obvious exploit.
Yeah, if only that’s what this was. Except it’s not.
Exploiting is finding holes in the game so you can get through the enemy’s sealed walls in WvW…
This is not exploiting. That’s just what the talking heads have “decided” to call it.
Maybe a perma ban on the 2nd offense? Maybe A-net should hire better programmers?
The programmers are -fine.- Fact is…this just slipped through.
Even so, it’s still not an exploit. The market stabilized because of the snowflake demand, and everything would have been fine even if they hadn’t fixed the problem. If -all- you needed was a single ecto, it’d be one thing, but since there were other ingredients needed, supply and demand quickly stabilizes temporary disruptions like these.
If someone started handing out free flat screen panels for HDTV’s the price of the TVs might plummet for a day, but then the backordered OTHER parts would shoot through the roof in price, and two days later your HDTV would cost exactly the same or MORE.
Nah, it’s too much of a pain to run or port to the appropriate place to save “maybe” a single silver.
I think they’re just set-pieces for the story’s sake.
“can’t talk about it”? but they can sure ban for it! Wow.
Do you know when that screenshot was taken?
17.12.2012(Tixx is in BC) at ~9pm(clock stamp) most like USA server(only English in map chat).
As for the Gaile Grey answer…wonder if she even knows how ectos are obtained in this game…
The Irony:
everyone needs to own up to his/her errors
they already took your money it much easier to ban than to roll back. too much work need to check the DB oh we’ll just ban ya.
They have in-built roll-back support now. They announced this a couple weeks ago. They can easily roll you back to a specific date.
would do 100 JP’s over 7 fractals. simply because i don’t get booted from fractals and can’t get back in. because i don’t have to spend periods of extended time finding a group to do them with.
when the next big patch that addresses these fundamental fractals issues then i wouldn’t mind so much.
and sure, everyone enjoys one thing more than the other. some fracs >>> jp’s. others jp’s >>> fracs. i enjoy both, and while the jp can be “exploited” and thus, taking away the “enjoyment” for many, you don’t have to do it the same way other people do. i’ve mentioned this elsewhere, you can take wagers and race your friends in guilds. make it interesting if they are that unbearable. people will think fractals are unbearable. if you choose to do the monthly, then you should just do ‘em. and try to enjoy yourself along the way. if they are in fact not enjoyable, and you still feel compelled to do them, well, i want to say you don’t get to “complain”.
I’ve run dozens of fractals over the past couple weeks. Of all those fractals I’ve maybe had a disconnect be an issues…three times? Maybe two?
It’s not the overblown problem people make it out to be.
You don’t have to complete the puzzles. You only have to get halfway through them.
I’m legitimately paranoid now that buying rares from dungeon vendors to salvage would be considered an exploit… With an hour and a half of work I could theoretically end up with 36 ectos…
“can’t talk about it”? but they can sure ban for it! Wow.
Do you know when that screenshot was taken?
Based on the conversation it had to have been during the recipe being supposedly messed up.
Permabans were only given to people who purposely abused of this, aka did this dozen of times.
If you did it dozens of times then you knew you were abusing a bug, and therefore you were flat-out exploiting.
Those who did not abuse this were not perma’d.This already happened during release days with the karma things… at that time you could say “it’s all new, I didn’t know!” even if you bought 100s of those items, but now you get perma’d.
Make a new account and play LEGIT, or don’t come here ever again.
You couldn’t do this dozens of times. By the time you could have got to “dozens,” the market stabilized, the price of snowflakes went through the roof, and everything was back to normal.
Calling this an exploit is like calling someone who buys a kindle fire because it’s cheaper than an iPad an “exploiter” and banning them from Best Buy.
The worst part about it is that because it’s an economy, the thing hit equilibrium… The price of snowflakes immediately shot up, so the economy didn’t change at all in the overall scheme of things. It all equaled out, just like economies do.
Someone releases a tablet at half of the price of an iPad. Obviously anyone who buys it must be exploiting. Let’s ban them from Best Buy.
I failed to make it on the restart but they did not give me an option to restart even after I asked nicely. I know we are currently WvW rivals but is that an excuse to treat me like garbage?
Yes.
I would do the same thing.
I’m pretty sure your not telling the whole story.
You probably weren’t pulling your weight.
Honestly the fact you made a post about getting kicked from and FotM makes me think you were whining the whole time they were killing the boss and he decided keeping you around was not worth the effort.You don’t kick anyone for any reason at last fractal, period.
No doubt. That’s just a jerk move… Even if they suck, you could just let them die instead of upping them when they’re downed.
i wonder how much real money people have wasted on converting gems to gold?
I’ve spent $20-$30 total, I’d wager, out of a couple hundred $ invested in the BLTC. I needed specific things at specific times, so I’ve converted. They also seem to price things so you’ve always got like 30 or 50 gems left over, so I just convert them.
You know what ? Good.
Anet made it clear the first time that exploiters wouldn’t be tolerated. They were promptly banned en masse the first time with the norn cultural weapon, but unbanned afterwards, and left it a warning.
Now you brought this on yourselves.
Good riddance.
Except that if you understood what they were doing here, you’d know that this is -nothing- like the first instance. Not even close.
This was -not- exploiting by ANY definition.
On top of that, the first instance was entirely unjust anyway. ANet just needs to own their problems and do it better next time. It’s not like one day of a bad recipe is going to irreparably harm the economy, and this is just ANet taking out wrath on the players that they should be aiming at their QA and Devs.
I’m currently saving gold for current and future Ascended gear crafting. I’ve got 71g in my bank, which is the most I’ve had yet.
I’ve saved this in about two weeks. I’ve run a lot of fractals and sold all the mats except ectos. The biggest help has been that I just stopped spending. Once I quit spending I realized how much money I’d just been throwing away.
What level are you, and have you completed the personal story quest?
Because…they do lead somewhere, and you can use them past a certain point in your PS.
The biggest problem with the ban is that this is the Nth time ANet has banned people for exploiting…when the offense wasn’t exploiting at all. I’m not so much worried for the game’s reputation as I’m worried that players are going to get fed up with the living in fear of accidentally waking the beast…and just go find some other game to play.
Yeah, people have been griping about this since day one. Unless you have some kind of stability, you are a bit stuck.
I suppose it makes a weird sort-of sense. If you wander into a den of huge scary monsters…there’s a legitimate chance you’re not coming out alive, no matter what.
I’d say if ANet screws up, and players take advantage of it, ANet should just cut their proverbial losses and have their QA team do a better job about that kinda stuff next time around.
Taking out -their- messup on the players themselves doesn’t make sense from any point of view.
“Harsh” isn’t the right word. “Completely wrong” sums it up better.
Best i can tell, damage done is very far down the latter of reasons for a mob to target you over someone else. Heavy toughness, proximity, just being a certain profession (guardians mostly) and carrying a a shield seems to all take priority over damage dealt. For instance, i have yet to see a mob get pulled off someone in downed state by doing damage on said mob.
Totally agreed. We don’t know the exact math on it, but I know when I converted everything to toughness and vitality, the mobs stick to me like glue now. When I stacked healing power and vitality, they weren’t even interested in me. My power level stayed pretty much constant in the conversion.
That “screams” that toughness is a huge booster of threat. A lot of people in-game pretty much sell toughness as “the thing” when it comes to threat generation, and I’m surprised I’ve seen so little forum talk on the subject.
I’ve had a couple times in the past couple days where I was AFK for a second in a dungeon, my group engaged some enemies, and the enemies ran AWAY from them, and attacked ME…who wasn’t even playing at the moment.
I’ve also heard that wielding a shield increases threat, but my GS and I haven’t had any trouble on that topic.
I’m running 1860 toughness right now, btw. I’m thinking of losing my signets of the pack (i have them on all 6 gear pieces) and replacing them with something that boosts toughness and/or vitality.
Another note: I was full healing/support before, and I’ve already found that control is a better way to keep people alive. If you can keep the enemies off our teammates, they have a much better chance of surviving than if you threw out a few heals.
The nice thing about a control guardian build is also that you still get some decent AOE healing abilities. Any time I use a signet or virtue, everyone around me gets healed. If I hit all 6 (3 virtues, 3 signets) rapidly, everyone’s health goes up by about 50%, including my own.
well all classes do all three, some just have a different flavor or emphasis over others…
damage is usually direct or condition (via bleeds, burns, poison, confusion). There’s supposed to be pros/cons to the two, but sofar direct > condition in most people’s view.
support can be a whole variety of stuff like providing boons, putting certain conditions on an enemy (like blind, daze, weaken, etc.), or utilities like reflect walls and condition removals and such.
control is what it means, CC…. slows, immobilizes, and knockdowns/interrupts.
Control also often means “Getting aggro” while also “staying alive.” That’s how I built my guardian, and he does a pretty decent job of it. I just finished the gear conversion from support, and I’m still learning the new playstyle.
Basically it’s a combination of booning yourself, stacking vitality, toughness, and power, and learning to avoid incoming damage while still dealing enough to keep the enemies chasing you. It seems VERY easy to get aggro, but I’m still learning how to not get downed at least once or twice per dungeon. Getting better though! Only been at it for like three days.
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Yeah, magic find is certainly a lame addition to the game. Basically the group suffers, and you profit. It makes NO sense from the social point of view that the game is supposed to be pushing.
If group that you are part of is suffering, you suffer too. You make NO sense from logical point of view.
Incorrect. You just have to be carried by the other four… And you get more money out of being unwise…
Bad player not wearing MF gear also has to be carried by rest of group.
I would like to know if you are even aware of a tiny difference MF makes, IF it makes any since its still RNG in the end…yet you sound like that guy with MF gear is getting rich while rest of group is only suffering and carrying extra weight.
Stop with drama PLEASE!
You miss an entire THIRD of your stat potential if you stack magic find gear and inserts. And it will increase your drops dramatically. I ran with ~110% MF for about a week or so, and i got WAY more rare drops. I know people with full sets who clear 200%, and even higher when banner and food boosted.
1/3 of your stats missing is basically like going back to lvl 80 blues, instead of lvl 80 exotics. Might even be worse than that… Do the math…
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Yeah, magic find is certainly a lame addition to the game. Basically the group suffers, and you profit. It makes NO sense from the social point of view that the game is supposed to be pushing.
If group that you are part of is suffering, you suffer too. You make NO sense from logical point of view.
Incorrect. You just have to be carried by the other four… And you get more money out of being unwise…
Yeah, magic find is certainly a lame addition to the game. Basically the group suffers, and you profit. It makes NO sense from the social point of view that the game is supposed to be pushing.