I don’t know what to say. I do a bit of both and while I do not enjoy zerging much, I adimit I had some real epic battles while doing so.
Overall we don’t want everyone just becoming a mindless blob, but what can we do when having more numbers give you an clear advantage? People who chose to roll in as small groups are taking a risk because they enjoy that play style but I really doubt that WvW would be great with only, let’s say, 5-man parties. Have you ever tried to take a T3 keep while it’s being defended? It’s nigh impossible without a lot of manpower.
For healing, though, hmm the only issue is that there are tons of build that don’t need a healing stat because of build and how it scales, so I’m thinking that maybe vitality would be better.
Toughness don’t scale with anything other than direct damage defense. What’s the problem of healing since it scale with so few things?
Vitality already increase you HP, which is a light defense for both types of daamage.
WvW players just hate everything, they will just hate it like they hate everything else.
After seeing some of the responses from the pve crew on stuff like GoB and crafting stations in WvW, I began to see the rants here from WvW folks as mild in comparison. Did you read what some of those guys wrote? Temper tantrums.
Also NO! to the OP. I hate EoTM maps.
PvE is srs bsns man… I always talk about lazy people not doing bosses pre events and other minor issues when I’m on pve and they go on a all out rage. It’s glorious.
But I still think WvW’ers have too much unjustified hate. Even more when our game mode is the same stale thing over the past years. I’d welcome anything to shake things up at this point.
If you’re 2 antisocial people, most likely you’ll never get or upgrade a GH under the current setup.
That’s sad.
We use our guild for romantic game-play (role-play) point.
I feel very lucky that my wife is willing to play with me this game and so we manage to share our hobby, which is important to keep married life happy.
So guild is our home, heart and sword is our guild emblem etc etc
Then it’s time to have kids to play this game friend.
EotM is to big to be put in the rotation imo. That and the fact that its available 24/7 if you like it that much, no need to add it. DBL, personally not a fan of but if it was only 1 map vs 3 and rotated out after a week I think it would be bearable.
But EotM was never used as an actual WvW map tho… It always been looked down as a karma-train map for pve players who wanted wxp. The results of trying it in the place of EBG for exemple are unexpected… No wait, they aren’t. WvW players just hate everything, they will just hate it like they hate everything else.
I don’t like ABL because people sit inside their towers trebbing other structures (And when we break in they just wp out)… On DBL they are forced to be outside structures if they want to actually damage somenthing else.
Honestly I like the great open space DBL have because people will have to walk A LOT if they intent to run to hide inside a tower.
People saying Rev is a bad roamer cause of weakness to condis haven’t tried Mallyx.
It isn’t specifically the condis but what I find with them is that once their heal pops, they can be spiked or condi downed easily.
The same Rev player on a stance Warrior will perform better as the Warrior build has more condi resistance up time as well as defensive sustain going for about half the fight. The Warrior also has far better mobility.
Disagree on both counts. Vs condis, mallyx rev can have 100 resistance uptime, and with chill/cripple on hammer i can keep up with any nike warr. Mallyx also provides no cd 600 leap for good combat mobility. Good luck CCing a mallyx rev with stability trait.
Yeah I have a friend who run malyx power rev and he destroy any full condi adversary that have no way to deal with resistance (necros running corrupt boon may stand a chance or condi mesmers running shattered concentration).
Hopefully with the desert taking a while to return, that means some work will be put into it.
Lots of changes were made to the desert tbh… But players were flooding this place so hard with tears that Arena Net just gave back ABL without even letting us play the changed DBL for more than a week.
I used to roam on base Necro, so reaper is already a step forward with RS2. Although the previous iteration of Spectral Walk was awesome, where you could leap off a cliff and pop it at the bottom – was good for trolling and watching other classes follow you to their death.
There’s no escaping any groups/zergs, but that kind of makes it fun – fight tooth and nail until the end.
When we’re roaming as a group and the blob comes, we already agreed that we give the necro as offering to appease the angry mob.
…before we can run different Borderlands at the same time…
This will make the game mode less competitive imo & I hope this doesn’t happen but it seems like it is…
The score in this game mode isn’t competitive already… It’s just a metric for who have more people in more timezones than anything else. The only competitiveness in WvW are the fights, that when they happen (lots of people rather just avoid them and k-train).
This icon is here to remind us about the WvW reality. If you played WvW enough, you will understand that there isn’t anything you can do when this icon is present.
i can flip a T3 camp by standing still and swinging GS #1 and use 2 of my utilities (stances)… yeah its way too easy right now.. but camps shouldnt take much longer (a bit is ok though), they should be much stronger! a T3 camp wont even protect someone from me when i want their head, their damage is tiny.. camps need to do actual damage. the only thing you have to keep an eye on there are the blinds from the scouts.
IMO just add 2 more veteran guards -> 1 more for T1, 1 more for T3. and raise overall guard damage by 25%
There is a reason of why warriors were pve meta in the past, and it’s exactly because they can just stand still and 100blades pve creatures. The same applies to camps. You can stand there and facetank everything while barely taking damage while other professions don’t have the same capability..
Could we please get a response from Anet whether deployable cannons will be the same as the roflstomp stationary stabilized and auto-aiming explosive shot artillery guns (ie “cannons”) or if they will be actual heavy duty solid shot siege cannons? Preferably before the poll ends?
When a dude downs me and just sit there I try to use bandage once to see what his intentions are. If he cancel it I just let it bleed out. WvW is full of jerks and we must live on with it.
I would really like to hear from someone who does this sort thing. If I did something like this to another, I would feel like a real jerk, I think most people would. What is it that brings out the worst in people? Anyone brave enough to give us your side of the story?
I do perform siege burials and laugh at people I don’t like them for whatever reason (be it because the build they using, the guild they are representing or because it was some zerglet who emoted at me after winning Xv1). And if I get the rage whispers, I send them a cup of potato fries to go with the salt they spill upon me. That if they aren’t already whispering from behind a block, then I’m forced to just ignore and perform another siege burial when I kill them again.
Warrior is more useful in a general gameplay perspective. You can zerg or roam very well with it just by tweaking some traits and gear.
Thief however isn’t as flexible. It’s limited capabilities of taking on several enemies and low health pool makes thief a very poor fighter in zerg fights. They do however perform really nicely in roaming where you’re likely to have smaller scale fights and thief superior mobility (coupled with stealth) can really take you out of sticky situations.
Honestly just test everything without asking because I had enough of unjustified cries of people hating things that aren’t even in the game. I wish their characters would be locked forever in DBL and that they could only leave after they reached Diamond Legend.
To the people suggesting new NPCs, remember that a lot of people hated the new NPCs on DBL. You still will hear hate cries…
But honestly, just leave the camps as they are. Zerglets must learn to defend their holdings if they want to keep them. Maybe change the camps to pop swords as soon as the attack starts oposed to the current 30s that is applied to tower/keeps.
Honestly, just remove gear options from WvW and treat it like sPvP. Set amulet, runes, and sigils. Probably make balance 100 times easier.
And ruins people who like to mix their armors. Not everyone run a full set of the same stat combination you know? My scrapper for exemple have a Knight’s Hammer, Marauder’s Armor and Celestial Trinkets. Tell me which pvp amulet would give the stats I gain with this combination of equipments.
Tell me why it would matter?
And yes, I know not everyone runs the same configuration. But again tell me why it matters in WvW?
Build crafting is part of the fun imo. Limiting people to a few amulets with pre-set stats ruins that and turn everyone in stale meta builds like it is on spvp. You would be adding another nail to diversity coffin.
Honestly, someone suggested that they actually gave us an amulet where we could choose the stats we wanted. It was somenthing like: “You have 4000 points to distribute and can’t put more than 1500 of the same stat”. I could totally get behind this kind of stat flatness, but the fixated amulets of spvp? No ty.
Honestly, just remove gear options from WvW and treat it like sPvP. Set amulet, runes, and sigils. Probably make balance 100 times easier.
And ruins people who like to mix their armors. Not everyone run a full set of the same stat combination you know? My scrapper for exemple have a Knight’s Hammer, Marauder’s Armor and Celestial Trinkets. Tell me which pvp amulet would give the stats I gain with this combination of equipments.
The reason so many people prefer ABL’s over DBL’s is because you can play solo/havoc/roam/scout on the ABL’s. The map doesn’t force you into a single play style (Zerg Train).
Honestly, DBL had much more solo objectives than ABL. After the removal of the barricades among other changes made in april, I’d say DBL became more solo-friendly than ABL.
Right now, opening the boxes gives you more boxes which is….
Funny fact: Sometimes I go to verdant brink to use my crowbars by opening the airship cargos but I always leave with more crowbars than I entered. While it’s not exactly the same thing I find it equally weird.
There is a difference between actively defending an objective and trolling the enemies with siege disabler spam
Sorry, I cannot actually defend with my AC because your 50man blob rained down Meteor Showers that cover the entire walltop on it. The only thing I have are disablers.
Thanks … I was thinking maybe north camp but assumed it would take forever with no GH so no speedy yaks.
Well honestly, it’s not fast… But it’s the easiest camp to defend since it’s far away from enemy spawns and you most likely own the towers and the keep it supply.
You’re slowing my 15s bag for 30 seconds. How could you do such a thing? >.>
Honestly, sometimes I would defend Arid Fortress so hard that people would start to ignore it for the entire match… It was always fun to rain down AC upon the zerglings thinking their scorpions are invencible.
But then people started making these EotM guilds that tell other teams about defenders and also put people to sit on your AC when enemy zergs are comming so you cannot defend. That was awful and killed my EotM fun time.
Wasting the enemy’s time is a good thing. If they feel like the train isn’t moving fast enough, or if a group of 50 can’t handle a few defenders, there’s always EOTM.
Oh, I loved to troll and defend on EotM… I hope it ever become a thing again…
Capture and Hold missions are terrible to do. Tier 1 takes far too long oposed to what it was when they implemented these missions (it would take 10/20/30 mins to a camp/tower/keep upgrade to first tier). Normally I just skip capture and hold.
But if you still want to do this, the easiest camps to do are north camp in your own borderland or a camp at your side in EBG (not speldan) as long you don’t own SMC.
my point is about things like massive dps and almost perma invis toons.
Core Thief and Core Mesmer still apply to “your point”. HoT is no culprit in there.
I agree Elite Specs are too strong compared to their Core Counterparts, but the only way to solve this would be bring Core Specs par with the Elites. Not allow people who paid for HoT to play their spec in WvW is just unfair.
Nah… You would end up promoting more zerging and less roaming. There is already barely anything for roamers to do. Making camps impossible to flip will just be another nail to that coffin.
At best put the extra guards upgrade on the first tier. That already make a camp annoying enough to solo and give time to anyone interested to run there and defend against 1-2 people.
I moved my 2 accounts off sfr to smaller servers to try out wvw without the permanent moaning. When I looked into moving again there was suddenly a massive Gem fee and none of the big servers were free.
So, nothing warning people when they move to a smaller server its free.
Nothing saying when they move it will take forever to earn enough to move somewhere else that also has to be a low population server as everything else is ‘full’.
Hook, Line and Sinker.
Not bad for a ‘free’ game.
Huh, you could always check the pricess when you look at transfer option. I don’t know what you talking about no warning. One has to be pretty stupid to think that he will leave a FULL server and be able to return to it.
And there was no free transfers for quite a while, how you moved 2 accounts for free? Unless you used the “delete all characters” method I don’t think it was possible.
They are a test so yeah. It’s written on the pool option: “After players have had a chance to test deployable cannons we will hold a follow-up poll to determine if deployable cannons should become a permanent feature of the game.”
People who can freely reset a fight can keep engaging until they get a favorable condition to win (for exemple, having friends to come help). I’ve been seeing this scenario very often lately. They won’t lose since they can just get away and reset. Sure you can call it a win if you made a enemy run from you, but he can just re-engage if he wants and get away again if he wants.
I’m not saying stealth is a winning condition, by all means. I’m just saying that it’s a very powerful defensive tool that get annoying to see it so often on the battlefield and likely the reason the dude you first quoted said he don’t want to see more stealthy thieves/mesmers.
In fact I have more beef with warrior’s sustain than with stealth atm… But that’s a personal annoyance.
Poor guy one day you’ll realize stealth doesn’t make you invincible.
But it make you invisible, and that’s surely a good thing to save someone’s butt from being kicked…
So? You can still AoE and cleave them. You can still predict and dodge their next attack. The counterplay to stealth is having a brain.
When the stealth is used to run away and reset the fight, there is no counterplay. You’re not going to catch a thief/mesmer/druid that is fleeing invisible. Hell, I’ve juked several people with decoy stealth alone without even running PU. If I were running an actual stealth build I would be able to reset fights at will and no one would be able to do anything about it.
Player vs Siege is not fun, there is no valid reason to add more siege. We have plenty of it to do what it’s intended to do. You can sit here and say people shouldn’t complain before its in game and the likes but their track record speaks volumes to anyone who doesn’t want to put their head in the sand. We didn’t need to see Golem week to know it was going to be a disaster, and that’s exactly what it was, a complete disastrous failure.
Imo there is no valid reason to add another piece of siege, even if we ignore that player vs siege is not fun and just think in terms of large scale sieging, there simply is no reason for it.
Well I had quite a bit of fun driving my alpha golem around faster than a Kenyan, but that’s not the point here… You can sit here and say people hate player versus siege, but in a pool that arena net is asking if they want to add more siege you have over 50% of the votes going in favor of adding more siege. The opinions of the loudmouths on this forum does not represent the opinions of the majority.
Do I like to fight under siege fire? Honestly, no. But I hate to see large blobs going unpunished because defensive siege is nigh useless since everything breaks in seconds to the multiple meteor showers that cover entire walltops. Will deployable cannons solve this? Problably not, but it’s another piece of siege that I can try to use against orange popping zergs while I have the outnumbered buff in my bar on all 4 maps.
These polls are verging on becoming a farce. There are many players on the salt forum boasting about voting yes purely to troll and destroy the mode.
I’m one of the people on the salty forums who “boasted” about voting yes and honestly, idc…. I actually voted No, but I guess I’ll change my vote now.
Why, just cause I brought it up?
Nah… I actually think we must give a reason for all this hate people are spitting here by seeing the cannons go live. People can cry about them when they are in game, then it will be acceptable cries. Until then, they are just guesses of how broken they can be and not actually conclusive complaints.
