Guild Wars 2

Storms Fury.9307:

Some classes and some builds are forced out of higher end PvP because bunker outclasses them.

These leads to build inequality and forces you to play bunker meta instead of having more choices.

Bunker needs to be tapered down a bit so that other builds are more viable.

Some classes/builds have way too much defense.

Lol.

Bunker build are fine (high defense, low damage).

It’s Bruiser build that are not (and were always OPed) that have bunker defenses and dps damage (or so).

Main problem here, is the Paladin amulet and most new block/evade from HoT specs.

Reaper Alim.4176:

For now how about players are NOT ALLOWED AT ALL to queue up for Ranked till they reach “PvP lvl 80.” Atleast we get rid of some of the newer players that feel self entitled to waste others players efforts.

This and get rid of many players to do second account to kill/farm newby in low divisions again.

The easiest fix, would be to change the starting mmr of new player that is around 50%+ to 25%. So new players have to work from bad to good, to be good.

Any genuine main account, have an easiest League progression with a new account (right now) with a Vanilla spec carried by his MMR in Amber to Ruby with wins streak, putting is MMR at High end to play ruby to legendary with not much difficulties (if you play correctly, of course).

For that grind based ranked system, simply revert the Smurfing change in season 1.

Season 1 league where great (except that top players didn’t win too much, like they used to… it was great btw to get some competitions!).

The easy fix, is simply do a -1 pip on pip gains for people that have +2 divisions compare to their low division buddy.

This give the chance for genuine low division to reach their friends. And will remove Legendary players (that want to prestige up x20) to do ruby or less smurf.

But the real FIX to LEAGUE and bad matchmaking, is removing PIPS and DIVISONS and come back to a pure MMR based game. Like the most successful Overwatch do (that I think have perhaps some great gw1 game designer in their team).

Hesacon.8735:

Rune of Lyssa turns 5 conditions into boons. They’re basically helping you.

Not everyone run “instant” low cool-down elite skill. 45 sec CD on Lyssa don’t help much.

Supreme.3164:

Again I’m not asking for ground breaking nerfs, not even profession specific nerfs…we just need some mechanic changes

We just need another AOE cleanser META class.

Let it be Shoutbow War or Bunker Shout Guard (both need buff) or something else.

Since Guard got nothing META or playable on high end, I think they should be great to AOE cleanses again (with a HP buff of some sort or less reliance on traits and runes for aoe cleanses).

Deimos Tel Arin.7391:

season 3 reapers has been nerfed and is much more balanced now than season 2 reapers.

also, if you focus the reaper in team fights they will go down rather quickly.

OP QQ is not about 1 Reaper. It’s about team that stack 4 condition builds.

In 2014, if you did that your team was doing zero damage.

Shoutbow war (or bunker guard) + DD ele was enough to cleanses 4 condi users in team fights.

We need another META build that can AOE cleanses to “even the fields”. So, if you queue and see you only got a Tempest, switch to that new meta build (hint buff shouts on Guardian to cleanses more and put the traits that give HP in the master slot, not grand master).

Hammerguard.9834:

“Bunker Ruins the Game” – Storms Fury.9307

I thought it was conditions meta that make in unfun to play.

4 New entries on the list.

4 NA (2 teams, 2 players).

Come en enjoy the momentum. Many Academy Gaming Team look for a fifth.

Topher.5631:

Oh wow, great place to move the thread. Now we can try to let people know in a place that no one ever looks!

I agree. They don’t want us to cross-post but in moving there, they did it by themselves. A shame the search feature of the forum don’t work.

So to help the moderator do their work, this Looking For entries was done the 23 june 2016 right here:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/community/lookingfor/NA-EU-sPvP-guilds-teams-players-LFM/

We can closed this thread or lock or whatever.

I have open a ticket about all those moderators actions that try to “stop” sPVP players having visilibility into the PVP forums about LFM.

For me, it’s clear the Looking For section is not the right place for sPVP guilds/teams. It’s a place for PvE/PVX eternal bumps that have 4 pages active per day. Too Much Informations here for our Niche.

We have an average of 1 team or 2 per week that look for more. Not 4 pages per day.

2 Teams, 1 guild and some new players looking for more SPVP parties.

Insert my Dev Bait here:

A way for PVP players to know where to look for SPVP team/guild. It’s too niche to get into the same forum of PVE guild that constantly flood our niche needs.
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/pvp/Feedback-need-from-Pvp-players-for-team/first#post6226867

Skill-based match-making:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/pvp/Skill-based-or-Grind-based-rank-system/first#post6196095

Pvp business Model:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/pvp/sPvP-needs-its-own-business-model/page/2#post6050376

Hello guyz,

The moderators are giving me a hard time to keep the sub-reddit post to create team or guild that I give to you into the PVP section.

I just want to know if the pvp player based like to have my post about this sub-reddit
https://www.reddit.com/r/GuildWars2PvPTeams/ into the pvp forums.

Just to let you know, the Looking for section seems mostly flood in 4 hours by various pve guilds. So, it’s why I did used the PVP section to let you know about this initiative. 6 months ago, the subreddit was “stickied” into the PVP section.

Thank you to give me your feedback.

Sooloo.1364:

How does this work?

You create a Reddit account and post your need into the subreddit.

Follow the TAG TITLES rules and wait for players to contact you.

I did ask many times to have a dedicated SPVP Looking for channel/subforum, but like usual, Anet and the bad bad bad guy (please more bad is good!) don’t really care about our “different” needs being “flood” by all PvX something.

Welcome on board.

Permafrost.2695:

Once again, we have individual players who get reported multiple times hours apart today, yesterday, last week and nothing is done. I’m not even talking about people “no use in not afking because we can’t save a pip mode.” I’m talking people running out to the map, sitting and just afking. I know you wanted to move the entire Dev team to raids, but keeping at least one person watching reports would be cool.

This PvP season has been a blast. I made a whole thread on it. Today, even with logging to take breaks for hours at a time, I’m running into the same 4 people afking. If I’m going to lose, at least make it fun.

After the admins processes the report for botting, those guyz get Dishonor Stack and you should not see them into your MMR range soon.

https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Dishonorable

**To all AFKer’s, you are wrecking your games up:

It is possible to have stacks of dishonor without having an active timeout because dishonor decays at a much slower rate

Dishonor is considered in the PvP Matchmaking Algorithm by preferring to place players with other players that also have dishonor.**

Skill based ranking system for long term viability.

Skill-based ranking aka 2013-2014 was sustaining mid tier pvp players for more than 1 season.

This is not the case since season 1, 2 and 3… Those players I had the honor to play with and against in 2014 are not playing anymore… but they did for Season 1.

Why?

Skill-based is always a progressions. When you have better player, your skill based rank will lower… more things to work on.

Grind-based is always finished, when the objectives is done. No more incentives to play it.

So, season 1, 2 and 3 got peak usages for the first 3 weeks than become stale and dead at the end.

Creating this “divisions” of the player bases is bringing death to it.
Creating “motiviations” to “grind” for a “something” bring end to it.

Ranked queue, should be able to “dynamically” give incentives to all players to play the queue for “all time” without “death” and “end” into it.

I really appreciate the dev trying to bring pveer into pvp, we have a strong pver base that play really good pvp… but Test Season 1 and 2 should had been enough to let them understand they were loosing their “mid tier harcore pvper” that passed more than 2 years into it… to players that play this mode for not more than 1 month before doing something else.

Resume short:
1- Skill-based ranked progression > Grind based ranked progression to keep your hardcore players in the game.
2- Rewards should be grindable to give a carrot to none-hardcore (aka casual) players.
3- Make sure they (casuals) have a lot of rewards to constantly want to come back to it.

Please, never again, give a carrot to a player in giving him something he can “finish” and be “done” with it. PVP is not an item you can put into a garbage can. It’s a lifestyle.

A Fracking Lifestyle.

Everybody welcome to look at our new entries!

We need more sPvP TEAM/GUILD posting!

3 new Entries! (15 is really so long)

This subreddit is for sPvP team, guild and players looking to recruit/find more people to play with.

https://www.reddit.com/r/GuildWars2PvPTeams/

A sticky would be appreciated.

We have 4 new entries… including mine.

Ithilwen.1529:

I’d be happy to play unranked and improve my MMR. Sadly, the shiny requires playing in ranked. At my current win rate, there is no way I will be able to cross 4 divisions.

The matchmaker is making matches with one team deliberately stronger than the other. Such matches would not be permitted in many competition venues.

In ANET PvP this is referred to as “competitive.”

The wings and the associated seasons were to bring in new players to PvP. What has actually happened is that those new players have been used as cannon fodder.

I strongly suspect that these PvP seasons will cause a net reduction in PvP population.

Completely agreed.

It’s why i play unranked.

You are the one that got the most Famous Bad MMR of this game. Please use this to show that creating a F2P account, you could go further with better win ratio to show how the matchmaking is unfair.

Actually, you are simply QQing and can be perceived like a bad looser.

Come back with real progress on league with new account (in your MMR favor) to show you are better than your main MMR account.

The PIPs match-making from season 2 and 3 give that kind of unfair mmr situation because we don’t have the mean to work on it with the “pip-range” thing.

All this because people QQ about pro-leaguer making new account to lower their MMR team (smurfing) in season 1.

The real solution to smurfing, should had been not giving pips at all to division higher than 2 of the smurf.

To all complainers:

You need to work your MMR (unranked got his own, ranked is a grinding joke anyway).

The difference between both MM system, is unranked let you goes out of low MMR by giving you opponent team in your MMR range.

In ranked, the problem is PIP range is not good enough to have equal skill MMR range 10 players accross the board.

My unranked experiences is way better than yours. I am team with pro leaguers versus other pro leaguers. With 2 minutes Q pop.

In unranked you don’t have the MMR hell from division entry. So, if you are serious about playing good spvp, unranked is way better MM than Ranked…

But if you can’t climb your own MMR in the ladder, please don’t blame me or
Unranked queue.

A ladder got a bottom and a top.

If you played under 20 games in unranked, you need to play more. After decay (1 month without playing it), your MMR will be really bad but you can overcome that with ease in duo/trio or premade for a night or two.

Unranked MM system can be work on. While Ranked is harder if you got MMR hell in divisions entry (or playing with pver guyz that have avg mmr as default and wreking all avg players in the procesS).

Anyway, if you love sPvP and hate the Season 3 Match-making like you did hate the Season 2 MM, then Unranked is your salvation for real competitive matches relatively to your MMR.

messiah.1908:

unranked is worst ppl testing build doing 4 cap on close or far versus 1 thief who run away ….

You need to work your MMR.

The difference between both MM system, is unranked let you goes out of low MMR by giving you opponent team in your MMR range.

In ranked, the problem is PIP range is not good enough to have equal skill MMR range 10 players accross the board.

My unranked experiences is way better than yours. I am team with pro leaguers versus other pro leaguers.

In unranked you don’t have the MMR hell from division entry. So, if you are serious about playing good spvp, unranked is way better MM than Ranked…

But if you can’t climb your own MMR in the ladder, please don’t blame me or Unranked queue.

A ladder got a bottom and a top.

If you played under 20 games in unranked, you need to play more. After decay, your MMR will be really bad but you can overcome that with ease in duo/trio or premade for a night or two.

Unranked MM system can be work on. While Ranked is harder if you got MMR hell in divisions entry (or playing with pver guyz that have avg mmr as default and wreking all avg players in the procesS).

On metabattle.com, we have more meta build than ever.

Unranked queue for match-making that work.

We are still actively looking for MORE.

Ranked queue are for PVEr farmers.

Unranked queue take less than 2 minutes and I play soloq with EzPz, eDrm, PZ, and CIE.

Wasting all that queue time for a grinders queue mode, is painful.

Come join us in Unranked.

Match-Making of season 1 was really good. (all complains where about bunkers… and REVENANT!) Putting MMR first and not looking about division to create teams was the best way to handle queue time and skill based team creation.

Smurfing was a problem and the real solution should had been:
Player with more than 2 divisions than someone in the team, don’t get Pips at all.

This simple fix to the great match-making and pips system would had been way better than season 1 (end of season), 2 and 3 crap.

I still think that old leaderboard system was better to show skill versus grind than seasons grindy system.

Go play unranked, way better.

But… here is my recommendation:

Reroll a free to play toon. Their MMR is average, so you will get better team mate. Your MMR is abysmal on your main.

Even F2P vanilla account dd ele with menders would bring you wins. (i am stretching, since you know how to play condi mesmer, give condi mesmer vanialla a try)

You did a pretty good job showing to all are MMR is bad when you got stuck into MMR Hell. Now proof to everyone you can sail to ruby with 50 games with new account. Simple as that.

Meditation Guardian DPS for damage is good. Signet Necro is good. Condi Engi is good too. Not super OP… but doable.

You will see… it’s all about MMR.

and since the Matchmaking in ranked is a BROKEN joke, come play spvp where it matthers… into Unranked. Thank you Anet to let us have a skill based matchmaking queue.

I know I already said it, but for the people who didn’t see it…

In case you are looking for a skill based games (not a grindy pips trash match-making system) that will give you the most balanced matches related to your skill level….

… come join us in Unranked!

Fast queue time, even at top level. (making team on MMR only, no divisions or pips bracket means it’s easier to find people at your level)

Great sportmanship, no toxic shills, great plays all around.

More build diversities. More fun!

Everybody should play at least 300 games in unranked over the month, to work and stabilize their MMR.

Stop crying for ranked PVER grinding reward track. Come join the TRUE spvper into Unranked, Right-Now.

Love to you all,

Two more NA Players looking for team!

Both playing “off peak time”.

Even if the queue timed is doubling, that people got fed up by pvp of this game, that it’s hard to get game with old veterans friends…

I am summoning THEE to the sub-reddit forum to let you find new friends!

https://www.reddit.com/r/GuildWars2PvPTeams/

We are still looking for MORE.

Click my profile, click the link saying:
“View highly rated posts by Jourdelune.7456”

First on top:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/pvp/Skill-based-or-Grind-based-rank-system/first#post6098296

Trevor, as I said to you earlier, from my experiences in 2013-2014, most people play around 80% and 95%. I don’t have exact numbers, but I could say it feel like 5000 players are around 80% and 95%.

And so, being into top 1000 is something great and should be reward accordingly.

To really make a MMR divisions system, we need to know the number of players and use somekind of math function to balance divisions with the player bases.

Being top 300 was a PITA with PUG groups and I did that often, it was harder to keep it into that positions, because we were constantly pit versus good premade (aka PZ, OP, VvV, Jedi… ).

Anyway, I agree with your idea (or more directly the community idea about a skill based ranked system, it’s not because I write it down before you, that it’s mine) but not with your “scale”.

For me Amber would be less than 50%, Sapphire would be below 95% and rubies + would be top 1000 or something like it.

You forgot to speak about the REWARDS that need to be separated from SKILL so serious players could concentrated on RANK while casuals would GRIND their Rewards.

All in all, thank you for coming again with the idea and I link your old post here as well:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/pvp/Division-Representing-MMR-Directly/

Another post about this:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/pvp/Best-Suggestion-Ever-For-Ranked-Spvp

I have seen more, but I was not able to add them to the thread. A shame, it’s nice to put all options in the right “category”.

KyleBradley.4193 is looking for more for the Slightly Stooped team in NA.

While Beastpixels.4531 want to create a team for EU.

Blood Legion.1250 is doing some AG and need 1 more.

I am very satisfied with the new team and established team that are using our sub-reddit.

Let it grow more!

People are upset because the skill level of players of the same divisions is way too different.

We have Legendary players that play bad compare to some emerald.

Divisions pairing is bad.
Divisions stucking at first tier is bad.

Grinding games don’t show you are good at the game.

I play less than 5 hours a week now. I am not the best player, but I am way better than many Legendary, right now.

I was playing 30+ hours a week for 3 years before Seasons happens.

I have more fun in unranked but even that, the player based that have skills play other games.

Yeah time changes and pvp in Gw2 is not changing for good.

BrotherBelial.3094:

The second screen cap was a close game. But I do agree that the pip system is not showing “skill” at all. It’s showing who can grind out wins. What we need is a score system that places people by games played/win/loss. Then people will find out how good they really are.

MMR is more than that. You have more “points” if you beat a good team and less point if you beat a bad team.

So, someone with a win ratio of 55% can have a better MMR than one with 80%. Because the first is always fighting versus top teams, while the latter got smurf in his team and most of theirs fights is versus bad players.

This was in game into 2013-2014… not sure why we regressed so much with our “ranked” competitive play.

4 new teams and 1 new player looking for more SPVP competitive play in the last 24 hours.

The Sub-Reddit is Growing Strong! Please come, share and join us.

Topher.5631:

Jourdelune.7456:

(mod: please allow us to get a sticky, I can even rewrite a new post, so I stop bumping those each day)

Yeah this would be awesome, and help the pvp community get back in shape

I totally agree!

JTGuevara.9018:

Yeah I said it. Bring them back!

…

Though it was also a grind-fest, it was a grind-fest for a different reason: the ranking and win/loss calculation.

…

Bring them back!

In 2015 the Test season 1 and 2, was grinding board fest. It was not great.

Before, in 2013 and 2014… we had a skill based leaderboard. Meaning that your rank was calculate in function of “who you win” and “who you lose”.

A little like season 1 pips… got more pips if you win versus a better team, lose more if you lost versus a worse team (compare to yours).

Nobody here want to GRIND games to show on a leaderboard.

Everybody want to get better and so win versus better people, to get a raise on the BOARD.

So with 2014 MM and board system, put on it your league divisions if you want to… but it would be way better to simply show your RANK on the board, in game.

We are still looking:

https://www.reddit.com/r/GuildWars2PvPTeams/

AdamJS.8760 a famous top 20 soloq EU guyz (with 66% win ratio), is looking to HELP and COACH people.

https://www.reddit.com/r/GuildWars2PvPTeams/

I completely agree.

I have made this thread a while back:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/pvp/Skill-based-or-Grind-based-rank-system/first#post6098296

To summarize:

1- Ranking should be done skill based, aka old leaderboard stats.
2- Ranking should be show in game, you are rank 125 (where 1 is top) then show it.
3- Reward should not be tied to ranking. The grind need can be done into a quest like something. So everyone who put effort but are not the best could have it.
4- Reward should be good for PVP players. So, pvp exclusive skins would be better and many serious PvX person (Tabarnacos number 1 AA) could go hunt those skins (and he is a really great pvp player).

Pvp players don’t play for grinding rewards, but to get better. Having a ranking that reflect that is addictive to us.

Even if the ranking in the 2014 leaderboard could had been fine tune more, it was way better than what we have right now.

Interpretor.3091:

Highest I’ve ever gotten was 11th right behind the old Good Fights team.

At that level it is way more dependent with whom you play than who you are, unless it was soloq rating.

Hahaha.

A proper ranking system would bring back some old veterans… but with all the new pvp released for 2016, not sure if it’s too late.

But I agree with you, I want a proper rank system. I had been top 300 for a while and I want to challenge this way more than winning or losing pips.

I agree, unfortunately… the spvp game is dying. When you see pro leaguer into diamond (ezPz) and some grinder already Legendary… you know the ranked system is wrong.

Fixing the ranked system to be more “realistic” would help tons.

Meaning that top players should be at top of the ranking, even if they only play 20 games a week versus game spammer that do 200 games a week.

Unfortunately, 2016 is the year of the pvp free to play moba like game. So… it will only got worse.

Bumping the topic, giving some PROPS to Topher.5631 to offer his help as COACH.

Everybody are welcome to post into the subreddit, if they look for a team, a guild or for more players to do sPvP premade or pug team.

Pvt Frosty.6973:

Jourdelune.7456:

We have new entries on the sub reddit!!!

We have a EU pvp guild that seems to play with TOP players (speaking about Frosty), if anyone is interested… go look at the sub.

Haha not sure if you have me confused with the other Frosty or not

Either way, yes we are!

Well, I guess you did already finished your League progress… 1 week? (or 2?? well… i care less about season 3 but…)

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/pvp/Post-your-road-to-legendary-S3-score

It seems you can beat the best and stand at TOP in doing that in that time
frame.

I am from NA but I remember reading your posts and you seem to play in the pro league, right?

Anyway… I think you got my point.

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

@All sPvP Players:
Top gun Frosty is looking for more on a great guild in EU over the subreddit.

Does other top players want to advertise their guilds, team in there?

Drussthelegend.2630:

Unranked is trash but I agree if you want to just play whatever you want and not care about the basics of the game by all means please stay there.

I got deleted post for less than that.

But you know… you did the right thing, since I don’t wanna play with Toxic Wanna be try hard that make you lost when they think they are so good, they can kitten and trash talk all night long.

Thank you for agreeing with the FACTS.

ima kongkittenninja.3052:

StickerHappy.8052:

shion.2084:

Must be more than 15 pip difference, I had div 1 and 2 and 3 in the same match.

If you are in a premade, the matchmaker takes the highest division in your party as a consideration too.

Anyway, but still the point still stands, what is the problem? he won?

I am not talking about the fact that I won. Ignore the score.

Look at the divisions. 3 diamonds, 2 ruby Versus 4 ruby, 1 diamond. They instantly had an advantage that game because they had a duo queue, we did not. My point is, if I solo queue, I shouldn’t be placed against people who are in duo or trio queue, unless I am in a party of 2 or more….

Not sure how else I can say this.

Well… since you already got your Wings… all you do in RANK is going through that crap over and over for a meaningless title.

Your team should raise their unranked MMR and play great competitive games from there. (the best pvp players are there right now, because they have less crappy games there)

Pointing out a broken system since Test Season 1 (march 2015), is pointless.

Rank queue is not for competitive play, it’s a glorious PVE track rewards.

The fix to the problem would be to NEVER again bring a PVE reward to competitive PVP at all.

Never encourage a ranking system(use the old way of doing skill based ranking) based on winning pips because it don’t show you are good at the game, it show you are good to grind a BROKEN JOKE of a league.

The league did kill more than half of the real pvp players (4 years) bases in 6 months.

When all the pver go back to their grinding scripted dolls, our queue time will be 10+ min or have really bad MM system because of ultra low population. The pvp community is SICK since Test Season 1 and is DYING with HoT.