Guild Wars 2

Deimos Tel Arin.7391:

Dirame.8521:

ShakeyStorm.7180:

Furious seems good only for LB aa. For anything else, meh.

Off-hand Axe.

at the moment, together with sharpened axes trait, we can get a total of 1 + 1 + 3 = 5 adrenaline per critical hit if we take furious as well.

so if furious gives 3 strikes of adrenaline, we can get 1 + 3 + 3 = 7 strikes of adrenaline per critical hit!

btw your math is wrong.

per wiki sharpened axes gives 2 adrenaline but in fact its bugged and only gives 1

so Axe crit with furious + sharpened axes = 1+1+1 = 3

but really thats a bad build if you asked me, the 6 points would be better spent in Strength there are better traits there for off hand Axe .

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Dual_Wielding
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Axe_Mastery
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Berserker%27s_Power

dancingmonkey.4902:

If you do not know, the wiki is a very handy resource.

the wiki on this sigil wasn’t there at that time.

Flitzie.6082:

So, are you still using GS in WvW? I am trying to come up with something close to as good as what I had before this patch, but its hard. Probably going to be Hammer+sw/sh again.

ofc GS all the way.

although i need to do some minor tweaks here and there.

but you know my Omnislash build, as its now without any tweak is working great.

but still i want to take advantage of the new improved traits and the new sigils, i want to get rid of lemongrass food and maybe even hoelbrak runes.

i freaked out for a minute, i thought you are saying the new patch denied canceling.

so the question now, do you want to invest heavily on anti-condi sigils + brawlers recovery to the point that you dont need cleansing ire and zerk stance ?

or invest just enough to compensate for cleansing ire misses ?

you know you can drop zerk stance.

so for ultimate troll anti-condi build.

you take Brawlers recovery + Sigil of cleansing + sigil of Purity + Sigil of Generosity + Cleansing ire.

why not equip GS/Sw-Axe ?

lol yesterday i saw a LB ranger dueling another LB ranger, i don’t know why but i kept laughing all the time xD.

unlucky.9285:

get off your stupid warriors and play the flipping class in the real world and get a !#$% clue

but srsly dude?! living under a rock ?

anyone knows if it got any sort of internal cool down ?

Juba.8406:

so you are basically asking for a nerf?!

the upcoming AS is strong to the point that i think the next patch (after this one) will nerf GS even more.

Juba.8406:

GS will be a target of more nerfs in the future.

will i hope that i’m wrong but seeing ANet nerf history i almost bet they will do it some time, those who cried about the %5 nerf .. might brace themselves for even more.

Juba.8406:

as a GS/Sw warrior i like the changes, but that means that GS will be the target for more QQ & nerfs in the future because it damage will be easily available to every warrior, skilled or not.

Juba.8406:

I’m already seeing the QQ and it will not be about just mobility, i think ANet wanted that just to justify nerfing GS, just like what they did with the old Skull cracker build.

Juba.8406:

as i’m sorta like the change a bit but i feel the GS fell off the Skill based weapons, i mean the hustle you need to go through to setup 100b and such, its gone with Arcing slice buff. < the damage of the GS will be easily achieved.

because of that i foresee that Greatsword will BE GREATLY NERFED some time in the future afterward this patch.

but i never thought it will be this fast ANet, even before we see the new AS.

anyway look to the bright side there is a good potential with the new sigil of cleansing if it got no ICD, think of it combined with brawlers recovery and CI.

anyone knows if it has ICD ?

Maxwell.7843:

According to the wiki it’s

Adrenaline level 1 healing: 117 (0.05)
Adrenaline level 2 healing: 234 (0.10)
Adrenaline level 3 healing: 351 (0.15)

Where does your 3 come from? o.o

EDIT: I misread you post, you meant it activates every 3 seconds!
I had no idea, but how come the wiki doesn’t say anything about this…?

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Adrenal_Health

edited the wiki for you xD

Maxwell.7843:

and you have Adrenal Health (351+0.15*HealingPower), and assuming a full adrenaline bar, your total healing per second should be
711+0.2*HealingPower

Adrenal Health is per 3 seconds.

:P
anyway it will be glorious.

Cygnus.6903:

Wait, people use Hammer/GS in SPvP?

Wait, people use Furious?

fellyn.5083:

Juba.8406:

yes the adrenaline nerf is a bit harsh, but its time to break Cleansing Ire chain surrounding warrior’s neck, for too long we were dependent on that trait.

although a GM but still a step on the right direction, don’t underestimate the new “Brawler’s Recovery”.

Except for all the reasons why they gave us cleansing ire in the first place haven’t changed.

you don’t need adrenaline for Brawlers recovery , how about that ? , a 100% guaranteed 1 condi clear every 5 seconds.

and you know what you can combine it with cleansing ire high risk (adrenaline gone) high reward (3 condi clear) although you would drop burst mastery.

you know what i couldn’t wait much longer.

so i fired GW2 and bought all the gear of the build that i theory crafted and set the traits and everything.

and did walk in wvw and maaaan, cant wait for this patch to get live, it will be awesome.

OP i’ll make it easier for you.

for PvE go full zerk, no way around it.

for WvW/PvP here you should ask yourself whether you go full offensive or bunker bit to sustain better.

i remember this one

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/pvp/Why-is-ranger-pet-better-then-Warrior/first

xD those were the days.

Kharr.5746:

This trait works against multiple targets and has no internal cooldown. AoE, fast weapons, and multi-hit attacks benefit a lot from it to the point where you can be at 100% adrenaline in a few hits.

It does not need to be changed — not every trait needs to be tailored toward 1v1 duels with slow weapons. If it were made to be 3 strikes of adrenaline, it would need to have a 1-3s ICD which would be a nerf overall.

you need to crit to make it work, even if i build a high crit chance warrior i wouldn’t take it in current state.

compare it to cleansing ire and Burst mastery, why would i go for Furious when i have these 2 ?!

with CI every hit warrior takes give him 1 adrenaline + if he used his burst it cleans 3 conditions + its a Master trait .

Burst mastery gives you back one bar of adrenaline for free after using your burst + 7% more damage on bursts.

i wonder why Furious a GM after this, hell even adapt traits are better.

Derren.8724:

Juba.8406:

yes the adrenaline nerf is a bit harsh, but its time to break Cleansing Ire chain surrounding warrior’s neck, for too long we were dependent on that trait.

But if burst skills drain adrenaline regardless if they hit or not… won’t that mean it always procs Cleansing Ire? You’re still spending 1-3 bars of adrenaline, even if the skill doesn’t hit. To me it seems that would make the trait more useful, since even if you miss you’ll still purge conditions.

No , you must hit a target.

if you miss your F1 you lose all adrenaline + No conditions clears for you

Gamgee.8612:

Juba.8406:

yes the adrenaline nerf is a bit harsh, but its time to break Cleansing Ire chain surrounding warrior’s neck, for too long we were dependent on that trait.

although a GM but still a step on the right direction, don’t underestimate the new “Brawler’s Recovery”.

I love how you just swoop in every other thread with reasonable ideas, opinions anchored in reality and thought through arguments and it just goes unnoticed by everybody raging. It makes me somewhat happy.

lol xD

ha

my new build is set for test drive 2moro, weather forecast: it will be raining QQ xD

so you are basically asking for a nerf?!

the upcoming AS is strong to the point that i think the next patch (after this one) will nerf GS even more.

yes the adrenaline nerf is a bit harsh, but its time to break Cleansing Ire chain surrounding warrior’s neck, for too long we were dependent on that trait.

although a GM but still a step on the right direction, don’t underestimate the new “Brawler’s Recovery”.

adozu.6398:

or else? you going to spank them?

hes just gonna QQ about Waqqiors QQing about Waqqior nerf.

coz he zays Waqqiorz IZ zo OPz..

Stand The Wall.6987:

Since warrior is getting adren use nerfed, lets buff adren build up so the nerf is irrelevant.
#win

how ?

this trait in arms trait line a GM, the meta hambow invest 0 points in arms trait line.

current hambow already got “Cleansing Ire” & “Burst Mastery” way better adrenaline gaining traits than “Furious”

if the current hambow wants “Furious” then he must drop either “Cleansing Ire” or “Burst Mastery”

gatekeeper.9674:

I don’t think it was actually working?

cos i ran after you and typed /cry , /threaten & /laugh to every guard you cheered.

yeah it also needs some cool sound effect and shout, something like Fus Ru Dah.

really ?! Hammer with no Sigil of Impact ?

I’m disappoint.

Zefrost.3425:

Stealth needs to be changed to work exactly like the adrenaline change. It’s called balance, guys. Stealth is WAY more forgiving than adrenaline.

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- Guardian activated aegis when you stealthed? Good, he counterplayed you. I’m sure you’ll just stealth again in 4 seconds again anyway while his aegis is on a 90s cooldown.

- Necromancer used well of darkness and you missed? He counterplayed you with a 50s cooldown. Your stealth is on a 4s cooldown.

- Thief spamming evades while you’re stealthed? Nice, you’re both overpowered.

- Warrior used his shield block while you stealthed? Cool, he’s actually playing the game. His block is now on a 25s cooldown while you can stealth again in 4s.

- Meditation guardian using multiple sources of block, blind and evades while you’re stealthed? He’s using cooldowns to randomly try to mitigate your overpowered skills with no telegraphs because you’re INVISIBLE.

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If warriors could use burst skills while in invisible every 4 seconds and spam EVISCERATE EVISCERATE EVISCERATE EVISCERATE until it hits as well, the game would definitely reach esports status.

QFTT

despite you can change your build/gear in PvP for free but like it or not, WvW has more build diversity way more than PvP.

in PvP “Play the meta or go home”.

its not doomsday yet.

in fact I’m looking forward to it.

Rentapest.6503:

OP Warrior kiting skills

hmmm you serious ?

i think the current Realm Avenger is fair, but the other achievements need a real looking into them.

make it a block/reflect or buff the damage or something .

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Crushing_Blow

Tim.6450:

Even if it gave 3 strikes would you take it? In PvE there is not much use for it and in pvp cleansing ire gives enough adrenaline. Maybe it is better to give it 3 sec of fury to allies on cirt with an icd of 3 sec to make up for the loss of fury with the signet of rage nerf and the greatsword F1 change.

come on warrior already poops fury, all we need is this trait to work as a real GM in what it does which is generating Adrenaline.

talking from pvp/wvw perspective dont care for pve, i would drop cleansing ire and take it, if you compare it to CI, CI is way superior, you get Adrenaline when u get damaged and cure conditions on burst hit Plus its a master trait.

Furious should be the best Adrenaline generating trait since it does nothing else for a GM trait.

Reborn.2934:

Juba.8406:

Reborn.2934:

unfortunately anet don’t know the game and creates exploits on every patch.

the problem was not the 100b by itself , but the trait forceful greatsword that gave on every critical one might … so with a full cast of 100b a warrior earn 8 mights in 3 seconds + 5 mights from signet of rage + 3 mights from great justice + 3 mights from battle sigil + mights from strength rune ++++ = 25 stacks of might that remain on the char ( +45% might duration from strength rune ) and final + 5% damage under effect of might from strength rune again !!!

this situation created a char , heavy armored , with the most power in game ,and guess what . this situation will remain after the next patch !!!!

this is wrong and it is the first time i see so many changes ( runes , sigils ) create so many exploitations in game .

april’s patch should be a patch balance , not a patch to create more exploits ….. oh no , they nerfed the boon stacking and they screwed fire aura and cleansing bolts …. big balances ….. eh ?

sorry but you know nothing.

the last thing i want is PvEers break what ever left of the GS and Arms trait line.

your talking like warrior is the only profession who can generate might (NOT), its on Crit on melee range, look at how eles or guardian generate might!!

how about you come PvP/WvW and see how forceful greatsword work, if you did deliver a full 100b to an enemy then clap clap you r the best player and you indeed deserve that might.

other professions dont need to hit the enemy to gain might let alone Criting them in melee range.

enjoy the conversation : https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/guardian/Guardian-vs-War-no-comment/first#post4362614

and yes . i have send almost all my 100b any time i am using it because i will use it when i creat the situation to deliver all the 100b on my enemies with my warrior .if you or anyone else can not …. it is your problem.

clap clap then you deserve that might.

gurdian can get 12 stacks of might with a press of button and also get healed, eles pops might.

Reborn.2934:

again on patch notes and on topic . the 100b is not the problem , not the trait but the stacking mights from the sigil and rune of strength when someone using it with specific traits/builds ….

so now 100b is not the problem and forceful GS is not the problem what next Warrior is the problem ?!

because i don’t know nothing and you know everything, the bloodlust sigil adds 250 power in 25 ( full ) stacks or the corruption sigil 250 condition damage . let me play with full stacking mights that gives me 875 power + 875 condition damage SAME TIME ( http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Might )

i dont see the problem here, other from PvE its hard to keep 25 might all the time unless you are built specifically for this.

Reborn.2934:

20% boon duration from food

magic find food ?!?!?

Reborn.2934:

far better combination for all situations in game . from roaming to zerg fights

WHAT ?!

p.s. excuse me

just a word of advice the world does not revolve around you, just because you use Forceful GS against a stationery dungeon boss does not make it OP.

even in PvP a full glass warrior or wvw Gank squad warrior mostly does not use Forceful GS they use Slashing power, the only thing Forceful GS is good at other than pve is wvw roaming.

warrior Arms trait line is the worst line we have if it wasn’t for Forceful GS and attack of opportunity no warrior will bother with it, you know a trait line is bad when the minor trait is better than all the GM traits it got.

so all of you going the condi path ?

shame on you i thought you Warriors.

Cygnus.6903:

nicknamenick.2437:

Sword > furious > Flurry > full adrenaline again.

Who the hell sits in the entire sword burst? No, no, why would you even finish the entire burst?

Also, I think Flurry only hits 12 times? If you have a 70% crit chance (which is quite high), you’d be getting something around 20 adrenaline, which is two bars, not full.

even if hes right, its a bad logic if i wanted adrenaline then i don’t go spend adrenaline so i can gain adrenaline ?!?!?

come on ANet make this GM trait useful.

Reborn.2934:

unfortunately anet don’t know the game and creates exploits on every patch.

the problem was not the 100b by itself , but the trait forceful greatsword that gave on every critical one might … so with a full cast of 100b a warrior earn 8 mights in 3 seconds + 5 mights from signet of rage + 3 mights from great justice + 3 mights from battle sigil + mights from strength rune ++++ = 25 stacks of might that remain on the char ( +45% might duration from strength rune ) and final + 5% damage under effect of might from strength rune again !!!

this situation created a char , heavy armored , with the most power in game ,and guess what . this situation will remain after the next patch !!!!

this is wrong and it is the first time i see so many changes ( runes , sigils ) create so many exploitations in game .

april’s patch should be a patch balance , not a patch to create more exploits ….. oh no , they nerfed the boon stacking and they screwed fire aura and cleansing bolts …. big balances ….. eh ?

sorry but you know nothing.

the last thing i want is PvEers break what ever left of the GS and Arms trait line.

your talking like warrior is the only profession who can generate might (NOT), its on Crit on melee range, look at how eles or guardian generate might!!

how about you come PvP/WvW and see how forceful greatsword work, if you did deliver a full 100b to an enemy then clap clap you r the best player and you indeed deserve that might.

other professions dont need to hit the enemy to gain might let alone Criting them in melee range.

i will never go the condi path no matter what.

as a GS/Sw warrior i got a huge buff.

i disagree.

100b supposed to be a very hard skill to setup but once you do you get rewarded with great damage.

what you did (and ANet) is reducing what ever left of GS skill floor.

100b received so many nerfs to the the point that just few try to invest in means to set it up, with next patch those few will perish, why? cos Arcing Slice.

Ragnar the Rock.3174:

What your left with when you see a warrior using a greatsword is the thought “oh great he is going to run away like a wanabe thief the second things don’t go his way.”

so why you dont qq about thief fleeing ?

at least you can see the warrior all the time, you can see him moving away from you, if its a thief/mesmer you dont know if he ran away or standing behind your back.

Dadnir.5038:

What make GS strong is a combination of traits and especially 1 trait which is forcefull greatsword.
This is the one and only trait in game that provide might on crit without ICD. Just Add a 1 second ICD to this trait, without touching to GS base damage and PvE GS warrior will be balanced.

and put the last nail on GS coffin in WvW/PvP.
not just GS but also Arms trait line in a whole.

the ideas in this forum these days……………….

Gamgee.8612:

So you’re saying that rooted damage will get nerfed and unrooted will get buffed when it comes to GS, I’m all aboard that one. What is the bad thing then?

GS will be a target of more nerfs in the future.

will i hope that i’m wrong but seeing ANet nerf history i almost bet they will do it some time, those who cried about the %5 nerf .. might brace themselves for even more.

GS is your main roaming weapon now(tbh even in zergs you will see much more GS warriors).

GS was always a support weapon a mobility weapon, in some cases some builds like the skullcrack tries to unleash the raw power of GS, but mostly its your axe or hammer that truly do the damage, GS was a merely a delivery tool.

now for a GS warrior its easier than ever, you got the mobility but also got the damage unrooted damage, imo that means good but also a bad thing.

simple

Axe Warrior relies heavily on Eviscerate, bait him to use it, dodge it, bye bye adrenaline, profit.

Hammer warrior still got CC even if he misses Earthshaker.

Axe/Shield before the patch
Hammer with GS after the patch