Guild Wars 2

Qaelyn.7612:

Lys.8621:

Easy to play and extremely rewarding = Cheese

You’re entitled to your opinion. I’m still going to use whatever works best to kill you as quickly as possible.

You can adapt to it, or complain about it on the forums, whichever you find more effective.

I’ve already adapted. Doesn’t make the build any less boring to fight.

Engi w/ bomb/nade can take it fast.

Carighan.6758:

One interesting point: Why is a toughness/condition build “cheese”? Just because it’s not the way you play?
I find zerker builds to be pretty cheesy, game design shouldn’t allow you to get away with not caring about your defensive stats. <— not more wrong than your position

Easy to play and extremely rewarding = Cheese

There are good and bad players playing every class.

akamon.2769:

ah. the more you know.

legit question – they all get the same amount of healing?

Yep. You, of course, get more if you use monks focus.

Saturn.6591:

K U T M.4539:

not sure if he was SD, but he is rifle.

Well; if he’s HGH, he’s certainly not S/D. ^^

Yeah, I just remembered watching the video at one point and knew he was power, lol.

Murdoc.4251:

The throwing siege always confuses me – is it an insult or an honor? Someone please tell me, I don’t know how to react and I feel I am probably disappointing someone by laughing when it happens.

Uh, it depends.

Avatar of Belle.9623:

@styx, some of the Basic guys are just as “classy”

Can confirm, we are some classy gentlemen.

bobomb.5209:

This is absolutely brilliant. Pure gold here. Well thought out first boss fight. Requires teamwork. Doesn’t cheapen legendaries/precursors because of their requirements. Encourages friends to play together, or members of the community helping each other out. I hope to Dwayna that the Devs see this. This is a must and would be so much fun. Hell they could even throw Scarlet in it and call it a Living Story and I would do it.

No. NO SCARLET.

Other than that the idea is fantastic.

Ynot.8397:

I came to visit this thread because I wanted to see a dead HoD. THERE IS A SIGNIFICANT LACK OF DEAD HOD!!!!!!!!!! Shame on you CD. You are my least favorite server now. NSP now stinks too. I demand a dead HoD.

p.s. HoD sucks lemons.

ive made lots of dead hod

lots. Just for you, Yarr.

WonderfulCT.6278:

Just kill them . . .

Weaklings have no say

Ashanor.5319:

K U T M.4539:

Condi war/DPS Guard/thief/perplex+Dire necro or engi/condi pu mesmers.

Fight night in a nutshell. (As a reply to the current discussion).

Dire armor + rabid trinks/weps is a good set up to still maintain crit and get the vit from dire.

Well, that may be true in WvW or may be true on your server, my expierence is mostly spvp, where it is in fact rare.

OP was a wvw roaming build. In duel rooms, condi wars are common.

Condi war/DPS Guard/thief/perplex+Dire necro or engi/condi pu mesmers.

Fight night in a nutshell. (As a reply to the current discussion).

Dire armor + rabid trinks/weps is a good set up to still maintain crit and get the vit from dire.

Kiriakulos.1690:

rohnis.2715:

How about removing DS completely from necros and give it to guardians?

If we got all their defensive skills in return we’d actually have better survivability.

I think a lot of necros would be okay with virtues.

I’d like some condi cleanse instead of having to run -duration runes all day long

Looking for gvgs, 1v1’s-1v1’s.

Carpboy.7145:

Can you 1vX very effectively with such low toughness?

3K armor is actually kind of high, don’t need 2k if you can effectively 100-0 most people.

Basically, as zerk guard, unless you catch them with spirits down (And/or kill the spirits, ooc, come back), you likely won’t win versus a half decent spirit ranger.

As the poster above me said, it’s not really a L2P issue.

If I don’t enjoy fighting them, I just kitten with them and make it not fun to fight me.

Maiden England.3491:

the whole 2k-6k damage per skill thing is assuming they have zero condition clear which is extremely unlikely.

We’re talking fighting the build posted in the OP. He has a very low amount of condi removal.

Lupanic.6502:

all grenade effects have a very long duration. The Chill+blind are very good defense abilities and the damage is much better as with elixier gun. For example if an Engineer fights you with your build and he lands his #2 grenade you loose 6k+ hp (because of bleeding + damage + burning) with a single attack.

Each nade is about 2k in bleeding for me, so that x3, with shrapnel thats an extra 0-3 bleeds with a 21 second duration each, and burning on top of that four about 4-6k damage depending on condi damage.

Could easily take 10k+ damage just from shrapnel grenade.

Rednik.3809:

Wait, PvE legendary somehow carried into sPvP? It’s like second amulet gem in terms of stats then.

Just the skin comes over.

GenerationX.9178:

Anet fixed my Build to have 2 less might! Ah what bummer, my stats suck now =/

Look at all that armor that could be power.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/engineer/HGH-power-nades-wvw-vids/first#post3338457

not sure if he was SD, but he is rifle.

Crunk n monkey.3749:

RedStar.4218:

Nike.9563:

Ash needs a fully fortified keep or tower and 500 plus supply worth of siege to even take a fight with ET. Stop hiding kittens

Well taking a tower in an other BL, fortifying and placing siege in there..If you didn’t want to have to deal with that, you had more than enough time to kick them out of there before things got annoying.

Taking Stonemist and having a 145 PPT was more important than kicking GoM out of their BL we held a 350 PPT.

It’s cool, we know that Di is merely super tanks that pride themselves on being able to survive a prolonged fight.

Oh I get it. You’re jealous that they can afford Sentinels!

Avatar of Belle.9623:

BS is still looking for gvgs. Please PM me if interested. 5v5 to 15v15s. We also love to duel.

we are bad sware

pls b nice

kelman.9451:

Wait I thought ascended weapons had the same stats as exotic? I didn’t realize they had more?

They have a slight increase in stats over exotics.

Percentage wise, its about the same difference as between exotics and rares.

bokunocarrie.7215:

Anarchy.9703:

bokunocarrie.7215:

as for costume brawls, i will take you on with my plush griffin tonic any day, my good man

Candy Corn tonic or you’re n00b.

it’s WINTERSDAY

Yeah, I think Usagi is confused.

Double tap the healing skill, jumpshot (Leap finisher), detonate healing turret (Blast finisher)

The first turret heal will heal you for 2.6k

The second heal from turret will be an AoE heal for 2.6k + remove 2 condis.

Jumpshot into/through the field will heal you for ~1.4k

Detonating the turret in the field will heal you and those around you for ~1.4k.

Avatar of Belle.9623:

You are still talking about sieging up a tower? How do you find that fun? We had to attempt to take hills to get fights tonight and then it turned boring as heck.

C’mon ASH. GvG BS. We dare you.

They’re not worth it, lol.

ahuba.6430:

Hype.8032:

Dee Jay.2460:

And S/D…to be honest….I’m not noticing the changes.

If you didn’t notice changes to IR then you haven’t played s/d yet. Just try messing around with the npc warrior in the mists… that kittener will chain stun you 4 times in a row. You don’t notice a difference? Not a good troll dude….

zomg you mean s/d now actually has to dodge stuns like every other class in the game? WHAT?!!

Cept for mesmers.

ALL IS VAIN

ALL IS VAIN

Manuelito.6081:

I am not new at all, but I am new to Guardian (since I leveled it here and there until 80 and then parked the toon).
Your suggestion would be then to leave AH when I start to get accustomed a bit with the mechanics? or give it a try, let’s say, to a AH full zerk gear?

If you’re not new to the game, don’t go AH. It’s basically for when you’re still learning to dodge.

Since you’re not new, I’d probably just go to the normal DPS build (Maybe with Knight’s armor to start) and just learn the DPS rotation/what to reflect, and you should be good.

Phineas Poe.3018:

Mishva.9416:

I’d rather have main hand Shield and off hand Torch first.

Shield/Shield Engineer sounds all right by me.

I would totally run another shield over MH pistol.

If you’re really new, AH + Knights.

If you at least know a little bit of the game, Knights with the standard DPS Build set ups.

Slowly transition from Knight’s to Zerker.

The DPS loss is extremely noticeable in PvE.

This thread is funny.

Staff is probably the best weapon a mesmer has, overall.

Carighan.6758:

Haralin.1473:

A Warrior regs more with no Healingpower every second as we engis can do with bombs with a grand master tier trait thats balance!

And as an added bonus, you’re free to use your #6 slot as you wish, and it also heals friendlies around you!

(Seriously, if you want to whine, at least learn some basic rules about it. Like making sense.)

And the best part is that healing turret is a more powerful heal (Used the way the majority of engis do, which is blasting it excessively) than healing signet. And then we have backpack regenerator, healing bombs, and high regen uptime on top of it.

DuckDuckBOOM.4097:

Dawdler.8521:

5K Chaos Storm ticks would be awesome, lol.

Would only require 6000-8000 power or alternativly 500-600% crit damage.

I have 3300 power

That’s pretty amazing, considering the max power you can get from gear/trait stats is 1300, plus the 1000 base. Which equal 3300 attack and 2300 power. Well, you can add some might, rune stacks and food buffs there as well, but I dont quite see how that can reach a constant +1000 power over base stats. Where do you get the rest from?

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fgAQNAscRE90jEmeQcfLcSPUdqBQpC6G-j0BBofBkgAI1sIas1WFRjVZDT9iIq2erIa1SBcxyI-w
Base power: 2789
Sigil of Bloodlust+250
Might+875
Final: 3914 Power.
Stack might with interrupts.
Stack relation with mimic then do 492 retaliation dmg.
And with that much power, you can still hit for a decent amount.
Useful? probably not but 3300 power is definitely doable.

The OP’s numbers are definitely off though.

attack != power

LoneWolfie.1852:

K U T M.4539:

Bredgen.6721:

K U T M.4539:

LoneWolfie.1852:

Seems like the other professions are invading the thief forums… Can’t seem to point out the only escape mechanism against CC is gone and we don’t have a stability skill to deal with stuns.

And instead of fixing it, other professions come in to say, no problem dude, thief nerf is fine because you have lyssa runes. Can’t get any easier for thieves. Next nerf is probably change to HP.

Dagger storm give stability. You do have a stability skill.

inc “But I don’t like that elite” post

Here’s why if you haven’t played thief, you shouldn’t post here.

Dagger storm gives you stability, sure. It also has a cast time of like a second before the thief starts spinning. It also DOESN’T break stun (which is the whole point here). It also has a 90s CD. It also removes the main Elite skill thieves use in WvW (Basilisk Venom) or PvE (Thieves guild). Finally, you CAN’T use shadow return while dagger storming because shadow return has a cast time, so it queue’s up after dagger storm. You have to waste a dodge and then shadow return (which still uses it’s stupid cast time) to get back.

Btw, what you said is like saying “Oh btw, you can’t use Supply drop on your engi anymore because you need stability on a huge CD. Use Mortar turret instead (i know turret doesn’t give stability, this is an analogy)”.

So basically, in order to not get stunned, he needs to put a stunbreak on his bar. Good thing thief can run 3 stunbreaks and be perfectly viable.

E:
Basically the complaint here is that he can no longer spam his stunbreak, which was pretty kitten OP before. And then, because of this, he complains without making any minor changes to his build. He could easily change his build slightly (Literally change one utility, a rune set, etc) and be fine. But no he wants it to be like it was.

Seems like the nerf worked as intended.

Please run 3 stun breakers in pvp or wvw and upload a video to show me your perfect viableness. Thanks.

Shadowstep + Roll For initiative + Inf signet.

Bredgen.6721:

K U T M.4539:

LoneWolfie.1852:

Seems like the other professions are invading the thief forums… Can’t seem to point out the only escape mechanism against CC is gone and we don’t have a stability skill to deal with stuns.

And instead of fixing it, other professions come in to say, no problem dude, thief nerf is fine because you have lyssa runes. Can’t get any easier for thieves. Next nerf is probably change to HP.

Dagger storm give stability. You do have a stability skill.

inc “But I don’t like that elite” post

Here’s why if you haven’t played thief, you shouldn’t post here.

Dagger storm gives you stability, sure. It also has a cast time of like a second before the thief starts spinning. It also DOESN’T break stun (which is the whole point here). It also has a 90s CD. It also removes the main Elite skill thieves use in WvW (Basilisk Venom) or PvE (Thieves guild). Finally, you CAN’T use shadow return while dagger storming because shadow return has a cast time, so it queue’s up after dagger storm. You have to waste a dodge and then shadow return (which still uses it’s stupid cast time) to get back.

Btw, what you said is like saying “Oh btw, you can’t use Supply drop on your engi anymore because you need stability on a huge CD. Use Mortar turret instead (i know turret doesn’t give stability, this is an analogy)”.

So basically, in order to not get stunned, he needs to put a stunbreak on his bar. Good thing thief can run 3 stunbreaks and be perfectly viable.

E:
Basically the complaint here is that he can no longer spam his stunbreak, which was pretty kitten OP before. And then, because of this, he complains without making any minor changes to his build. He could easily change his build slightly (Literally change one utility, a rune set, etc) and be fine. But no he wants it to be like it was.

Seems like the nerf worked as intended.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/support/bugs/Mesmer-summoning-Jagged-Horrors

LoneWolfie.1852:

Seems like the other professions are invading the thief forums… Can’t seem to point out the only escape mechanism against CC is gone and we don’t have a stability skill to deal with stuns.

And instead of fixing it, other professions come in to say, no problem dude, thief nerf is fine because you have lyssa runes. Can’t get any easier for thieves. Next nerf is probably change to HP.

Dagger storm give stability. You do have a stability skill.

inc “But I don’t like that elite” post

LoneWolfie.1852:

K U T M.4539:

LoneWolfie.1852:

K U T M.4539:

Bazzoong.7145:

LoneWolfie.1852:

Quite frankly, my death rate has gone up about nearly 500% without sword ‘2’. Everytime I get caught by a CC, I eat about 3 seconds worth of zerg damage, and no, hard to catch is garbage. If you wanted to nerf the kitten sword move, how about separating WVW and SPVP changes?

I don’t expect any dev response, obviously.

Put roll for initiative on your utility bar,perhaps? Or maybe shadowstep, or use withdraw, or steal?

If your death rate goes up 500% by loseing 1 specific mechanic, then the problem is probably you being carried by an overpowered skill and your whole post actually becomes a pretty good argument as to why the nerf was needed.

+1

This is remarkable. Can the non-thieves stop posting here? Steal doesn’t break CC, you would have known that if you played a thief.

I already have shadowstep traited and it has a 50 seconds cooldown, doesn’t give me stability and people seem to forget that S/D is merely the rough equivalent of a warrior popping the berserker stance. It takes 5 initiative for to have a “stun break”, and spamming it is our single defence against any form of CC because we DON’T HAVE STABILITY.

People keep saying nerf the kitten skill but what the puppy, we don’t have A kittenING STABILITY SKILL, HELLO?

I run with no stab and no stunbreaks on engi, and have played thief. I do fine. Get over it.

E: Low CD elite + Lyssa runes. Stability on lyssa is the main reason people complain about how strong the runeset is. Or Sword 2 -> Do your spin to avoid cc, cancel spin, sword 2 out. such hard

This is really funny, this is what I read.

- Compensate thief lack of stability and escape mechanism through runeset.

So I have to sacrifice runes to save my thief. Wow.

You mean you have to use part of your build to make up for something your build lacks? I never would have guessed a class can’t have everything.

Spaceman.1063:

Oh right, good old warriors. Have to share my own too then.

Happened yesterday in SPVP, after interrupting warrior’s stomp from downed, downing him in turn (still while downed), interrupting his next stomp after he got back up with vengeance (still while downed), and finally killing him after my chain-on-the-leg pet somehow managed to revive me, mere moments before getting stomped again.

Warrior’s name censored per compliance with forum rules.

Best revive skill in game = RaO.

heard it here first guise

Infamous Darkness.3284:

what software does everyone use to record these videos as I’ve never recorded one.

Probably Fraps. It’s cheap.

It’s also not free if you don’t download it not illegally. Yup.

LoneWolfie.1852:

K U T M.4539:

Bazzoong.7145:

LoneWolfie.1852:

Quite frankly, my death rate has gone up about nearly 500% without sword ‘2’. Everytime I get caught by a CC, I eat about 3 seconds worth of zerg damage, and no, hard to catch is garbage. If you wanted to nerf the kitten sword move, how about separating WVW and SPVP changes?

I don’t expect any dev response, obviously.

Put roll for initiative on your utility bar,perhaps? Or maybe shadowstep, or use withdraw, or steal?

If your death rate goes up 500% by loseing 1 specific mechanic, then the problem is probably you being carried by an overpowered skill and your whole post actually becomes a pretty good argument as to why the nerf was needed.

+1

This is remarkable. Can the non-thieves stop posting here? Steal doesn’t break CC, you would have known that if you played a thief.

I already have shadowstep traited and it has a 50 seconds cooldown, doesn’t give me stability and people seem to forget that S/D is merely the rough equivalent of a warrior popping the berserker stance. It takes 5 initiative for to have a “stun break”, and spamming it is our single defence against any form of CC because we DON’T HAVE STABILITY.

People keep saying nerf the kitten skill but what the puppy, we don’t have A kittenING STABILITY SKILL, HELLO?

I run with no stab and no stunbreaks on engi, and have played thief. I do fine. Get over it.

E: Low CD elite + Lyssa runes. Stability on lyssa is the main reason people complain about how strong the runeset is. Or Sword 2 -> Do your spin to avoid cc, cancel spin, sword 2 out. such hard

How about they fix it so that when the ring is casted ontop of you it’s not a perma knockdown.

digiowl.9620:

Elixir infused explosives? Then again, pistol #1 is not considered explosions…

Would make nade auto attack heal for over 1k at 2k healing, lol.

Pve’ers learn to dodge a bit better.

Wvw zergs become a lot more susceptible to poison.

Pvp shout wars replace guards