Guild Wars 2

Morsus.5106:

Since Zhaitan is technically dead, the risen are becoming weaker and dying out. Instead, we see the pact losing temples because the players failed to defend it.

Actually, it was stated that the Risen would still be a threat for a long time. But NOW they aren’t steadily growing larger. Now they are slowly decreasing in number as they can’t make more Risen easily.

Boose.6201:

“According to legend, if either this sword or its sister returns to the haunted remains of Ascalon City in the hands of the rightful king of Ascalon, the ghosts there will finally be laid to rest.”

The reason it failed is because Rytlock isn’t a rightful king of Ascalon.

All of the heirs of Ascalon kings are dead… except for one that we know of… Commander Samuelsson.

I believe Ebonhawke will become a very important location for us to visit soon.

Besides the fact they weren’t close to Ascalon city… It was a test, not the full ritual.

nexxe.7081:

Lord Faren is a descendant of Duke Barradin, hence he’s the true heir of Ascalon, and the only one who can break the curse. That’s my theory anyway. lol.

Only the ruler of Ebonhawke is stated as “descended from the kings of ascalon” :P

The Mordrem wolves look like plant matter wrapped around a wolf skeleton.

But yes, Looking at it, I think they are talking about “biggest threat” as in “Biggest threat RIGHT NOW.” and not “Mordremoth is the most dangerous dragon of all time.”

What ridiculous message?

Tobias Trueflight.8350:

Kalavier.1097:

Kryta is stable mostly now, so Jennah can provide help.

No, she probably can’t provide too much, lest the opposition to her rule gain some strength of rhetoric again. The most she could do is probably send small amounts of specialists.

While true, I meaning more like Kryta isn’t under dire threat and can’t redirect ANYBODY.

Yeah, the Centaurs are still a threat (I’ve never once implied that they are no threat), but they are pushed back and NOT on the offensive. The bandits are weakened/not as organized and that’s not as huge a deal now either.

SURE, in the politics arena and official meetings Caudecus can still cause his issues, but he can’t go and make the Seraph and Jennah look bad with bandit attacks ATM.

Compare that to the Norn or charr, who have Sons of Svanir actively causing trouble in the shiverpeaks (We raid one of their strongholds in this episode) or the flame legion, branded, and ghosts causing trouble for the charr. Flame legion is weakened, but the other two forces are going strong.

Kryta isn’t 100% safe and free, but it’s certainly more stable then it was.

Ramethzero.3785:

The necromancer RPG trope that is ‘evil’ is just that. A trope.
Historical necromancers from ancient greek civilizations were actually formed out of honourable ideals, ie – giving a family closure about death and the dead.

People seem REALLY quick these days to play up the Trope and completely be ignorant of its historical counterpart.

Never knew that. But yeah, people cling to stereotypes instead of reason.

GW necromancers hit both ends of the area, good and bad. Why I loved GW1 actually, it had necromancers, this “EVIL magic”, and then went “Eh, who cares?” Sure, maybe not fully understood or accepted, but not treated as evil and vile.

Erm, you do know that LS episodes are actually made and worked on longer then two weeks right? It’s just released every two weeks. IIRC there was mention of how they got teams working on episodes in advance so right now they could be working on episode 5. Even if they purely made episodes one at a time (doesn’t make sense), having it all done in two weeks is pretty good.

Kinda like how TV shows, they film during the ‘break’, and then release the episodes weekly IIRC. They don’t actually film and produce an entire episode in a single week.

Rauderi.8706:

Malkavian.4516:

All they would have to do other than work on the next story is to simply beta test (heavily) the episodes and distribute them timely.

After the traits, megaserver woes, and now the broken world LS events…

I don’t think ANet tests anything. I still can’t finish my event string because the events are broken.

You do know there is the fact that you can only beta test so many issues? You can fix every single issue that pops up in internal testing, but the MOMENT you send it out to the entire world, loads more interactions happen with different systems and connections. Loads more people are doing things at the same time.

Sometimes there are issues that cannot be discovered internally before the public gets it.

Ramethzero.3785:

OtakuModeEngage.8679:

…his intention in the ceremony was to completely end the curse on all ghost, yet he failed to do so, managing only to remove some when he meant to banish all; I’m not saying he didn’t do a good thing, but he certainly failed at destroying the curse.

You could be under the impression that his ‘testing phase’ of the ritual of banishing was supposed to have instant and long term results.

Not everything is so black and white and here and now. There are plenty of actions that require time to see completely unfold. I wouldn’t be so quick to judge it. That’s why he was ‘testing’ in the first place.

Wasn’t his dialogue kinda explicit about it being a test?

“This is a place of power, perfect spot to test the ritual” something like that?

CureForLiving.5360:

Well Scarlet did give him a nice leyline breakfast, so that might have helped. However in terms of strengths we’ve not seen Mordy being all dangerous yet. All he’s done is spawn a couple of mobs in Dry Top, wrap his tentacles around some waypoints and send a little invasion force to ascalon (although not a particularly big one).

Yeah, missing the assault on the mining town that killed a good chunk of the people there.

The destruction of Fort Salma and Concordia…

And “The little force in ascalon” has some pretty huge vines involved.

It’s really he’s in the phase all dragons went through which involved super agressive attacks, then retreat and kinda wait. Zhaitan was offensive until Kryta destroyed his navy then he went into slow but steady attacks.

We are seeing Mordremoth swarming out with his power, until something stonewalls his reach.

Evans.6347:

It’s rather funny how quite a few people believe our main character should be able to go anywhere and demand anything from anyone because of their former feats.

I believe this was one of the main complaints against Trahearne?

Kinda. Or how he was instantly introduced (for everybody but Sylvari) as a super respected person by all three orders and they ALL trust him heavily.

So, yeah. It’s basically the same thing. You could take Trahearnes early exposure to the players as a person who could basically walk into any order and go “Hey, the Risen are causing trouble here!” and the order would respond.

Erukk.1408:

People are always going to do what they believe is best, and that can differ greatly from what you may think. Not to mention there are motives going on in the background as well.

• Jennah recognizes the threat the EDs to everyone, so she easily accepted the invitation.
• Smodur does as well, but he has a lot of other constant threats and problems he has to deal with day by day, and that makes his time extremely valuable.
• Knut is the “leader” of a “nation” of individualist. Like Smodur, he has constant problems to deal with, but he can’t really force the Norn to do anything. He can tell them what is happening and hope they see the threat as well, but he can’t do much else.
• The Arcane Council is going to play politics the most. They understand the threat the EDs pose, but each member has their own agenda as well. The political power plays, on top of the bureaucracy itself, make it hard for them to come up with clear and decisive decisions.

Knut and Smodur are similar, in that they not only have to have local threats reduced to free their time up enough to even go to the summit, but also to be able to commit any help or forces.

Can’t send a bunch of charr against the dragon if flame legion, ghosts, and branded are constantly battering down the gates of charr towns…

Kryta is stable mostly now, so Jennah can provide help.

Arcane Council… who knows what they’ll do. When they had information about Scarlet’s impending attack the comment on their reaction was that it’d likely be a “Let’s wait and see.” IIRC, wasn’t the inquest Councilor one of the main ones actually getting stuff done because he’d get funding to projects while the rest bicker?

Orders have a nice big list of things they have to do.

Or did you forget the fact we have a PRIORY TEAM sent into Dry Top on order of Gixx?

Or how all three orders helped out with the Scarlet events?

Anmida.4058:

I agree fully with your post, but aside from all of it… Someone should remind Marjory and Kasmeer about this.
No, no. It’s okay. We are investigating a murder while being sieged by inquest assassins, please take your time to profess your love to each other for the seventh time.

When did that happen? Because I only recall them talking about themselves while around Inquest… ONCE during the crash instance. At the start. And then they didn’t talk about their relationship at all until at least the end :P.

Also, about Braham and Eir. Reading the short story I saw these two bits.

His skin stood out starkly against his father’s darker tone. He’d been told he was a mix of light and dark, his mother having had snowy skin and his father with his brown bear coloring. It had never bothered Braham, until that moment, when he wished more than anything that he could blend more smoothly with his father, be more like him, the great warrior, the legendary hero—Braham’s hero—who lay broken and failing upon his deathbed. That may have been the first time Braham ever felt anger at the stranger who was his mother, for she had made him less like his father.

“Your mother’s name is Eir Stegalkin. Remember that, but I will tell you what I told Yngvi and Brynhildr. No one must send word to your mother that I am gone. I forbid it. She is capable of great things, as are you. She must not be tempted to stray from her path. Wolf walks beside her. But you mustn’t worry. He walks beside you as well, my son. Never forget that.”

So basically, seven year old Braham saw his father die, who explicitly forbade him from telling Eir about the death (Which likely would’ve caused her to come back perhaps). And that Braham wished he was more like his dad then a mix of dad+Lady he had only heard tales about.

IIRC, early LS it got worse when Eir didn’t/couldn’t help with the problems at the homestead he lived at, and/or everybody kept putting HER legend onto him. I figure if he was hailed as “Braham Borjeson.” he’d be a little happier?

Dakota.4591:

I think I may have stressed my emphasis in the original post on the wrong part.
If Eir is going to whoop out the bad-kitten enough for her son to do almost a complete 180 on his opinion of her, then you have to do something to show that bad-kitten .
In this missions, after I stormed in the front door and killed everything that moved to destroyed the totem, afterwards they snuck in the back. So not only is that hardly bad-kitten , but it was enough to make Braham go all googly eyed? No, ANet, you’re not allowed to do that.

Say what you want about Braham. but this is a guy who was there at the defense of Lion’s arch killing Scarlet’s legions en masse, broke onto her airship and helped us fight that big hologram battle. And he’s in complete awe over his mom killing two or three svanirs as they snuck in the back of some little outpost in the middle of nowhere?

No, ANet, you can’t do that.

Erm, wasn’t their plan you go in one way, they went the long way to also distract and keep all the sons of svanir reinforcements busy with them? So nobody would flank us or charge to aid the svanir camp after the attack started?

Also, that isn’t a ‘little outpost in the middle of nowhere’. It’s one of two Svanir strongholds, though the game might not make that clear with game mechanics and all.

Zeivu.3615:

“Shiny” is Glint’s only known off-spring. The devs said he would make an appearance in the game but has yet to be seen (old interview info predating beta). I doubt the Zepherites have a direct involvement with him.

Fairly sure “Shiny” was a saltspray dragon who ended up in Elonia, who bounded with Goren.

Glint’s child was not named at all, but appeared in EOTN.

Mad Queen Malafide.7512:

Kalavier.1097:

B; As said, being a war hero doesn’t just mean you can barge into high ranking officials offices whenever you please and demand stuff.

This comparison really doesn’t hold up. The player character isn’t a war hero. The player’s character is a high ranking commander still fighting THE SAME war. If you were one of the top ranking commanders in WWII, and WWII was still going on, and you said you wanted to call an emergency meeting for a threat that jeopardized the entire mission, you bet they’d instantly listen.

Only, to use your comparison with the detail another guy brings up, this is like you were the top ranking commander in the fight against the germans.

Now the germans are defeated and you are talking about a threat in another part of the world. Sure, you will had weight to your words and be listened you, but at the same time you probably wouldn’t get “skip all the lines and waitlists.” status. The player character isn’t Doctor Who can basically waltz into any high end meeting and be accepted and included (or listened to).

Basically, the “war” against ALL elder dragons is still going on, but the campaign against Zhaitan is FINISHED. You were part of that campaign, so yeah, you’d be a ‘war hero’ seeing as basically the war against Zhaitan is DONE. Even them, this isn’t you running into Pact HQ going “TRAHEARNE, I learned of something that might cripple our campaign in Orr!” This is you going to the race leaders about Mordemoth… An unrelated front (for some intents) to Zhaitan and the risen.

Also, if you argue for using a top tier, best of the best blood legion warrior in this matchup of Norn vs Charr…

Then you gotta argue top of the line, best of the best Norn warrior as well.

draxynnic.3719:

I suspect Jennah’s support is a little more ‘under the table’ because of Kryta’s own politics. She’s well aware of the threat of the dragons (it’s why she proposed the truce to the charr in the first place), but if she officially committed Krytan forces to the Pact, she’d probably be castigated by the Ministry for a) sending Krytan forces on a foreign adventure when Kryta has enough problems at home, and b) sending Krytan forces to join a coalition where they might have non-Krytan commanders.

Actually, Kryta is fairly stable right now. With Cauducus living in Jennah’s estate/ in DR all the time he CANNOT direct the bandits/ministry guard to make the Seraph and Jennah look bad. IIRC, it’s implied or stated the bandit troubles got reduced post CM storymode.

And at the same time, the Centaur war is probably at it’s best for humanity. Yes it’s back and forth, but if you were to say, take every heart in Kryta as “complete” by the time of Living story, the Centaurs are weakened heavily. That’s why she likely agreed to the summit instantly. She supports the idea and ATM, humanity can spare Seraph numbers to such a thing. Meanwhile the other races have problems that they must get dealt with before they commit. Sons of Svanir for Norn, Ghosts for the Charr, the waypoint dangers for Asura.

Dealing with those mean they can put resources toward such an alliance.

Also, about the “Biggest danger”, it’s like meaning something more like "This dragon is just waking up, he’s doing this massive surge. THIS is the CURRENT biggest danger to us now, compared to Jormag or Kralk who are not really pushing that much. Like Zhaitan’s fleet being destroyed, or the spirits of the wild fighting Jormag back in the far shiverpeaks, I’d say it’s more of gathering forces to not only repel this surge of attacks as typical for a dragon, but also push back and strike in the jungle itself.

TA dungeon armor is planty as well, if you really want plant-based armor.

Though you can sit in the wardrobe(at bank) and play with the different armors in preview to figure something out.

Gwen only put aside her differences because the player character basically stood between her and Pyre, and Pyre held the only way of saving her fellow soldiers.

Logan, I’d say it’s he’s tried moving on. But instead everybody else has to cling to the past and drag him down for a VERY BAD DECISION, which either way he picked would’ve resulted in death and destruction.

Instead of “Oh… hey.” it’s “UGH, Going to run away again?!?!”

If that’s all you EVER head, would you really be enticed to be happy at seeing your old co-workers again or being around them?

Who says they kill massive number of animals? Sure they hunt, but I doubt it’s enough to endanger local animal populations.

Also, IIRC, they produce lots of heat from physical activity. Not how much they eat.

Basically, their physical nature makes them very resistant to the cold, that’s it. No different then how a deep sea quaggan is suited for those waters instead of shallow lakes. It’s not something that can just be changed by ‘dressing properly.’

Vogue.6305:

Lord, I hate Logan.

When he abandons the party in TA story, I want caithe to kittenslap him back to Divinity’s Reach. Like, we didn’t need you anyway. All you do is run in and die in the first 5 seconds. /hairflip

What about Rytlock storming out there?

Besides, that time he kinda had a point, Shortly after Rytlock goes after him for ‘running away’, suddenly Caithe turns and kinda does it too. AFTER asking him and Rytlock to come. He was probably already in a bad mood from Rytlock and that dumped on him makes it worse.

Of course, I’m not putting it past Faolin that she may have used her mesmer abilities to make Logan and Rytlock madder then normal.

Again, you seem to be missing the point of the fact those risen numbers are after… years to DECADES of slow creep.

All this stuff? Within a month of Mordremoth waking.

And GUESS WHAT, the Pact and orders kicked into gear in the PS story, which involved Risen expanding/stepping up their game. Again, it’s not a slow but steady push and nudge here or there. It’s a “WHAM, Plant enemies all over this fort instantly.”

Erm, wasn’t it established in the one short story featuring Braham’s dad, that Braham was wanting to know his mom, but HIS DAD held him away?

Basically it didn’t imply Eir dumped them at all, but the Dad kept Braham separate because Eir had other things that needed her entire focus. Mind you, with Norn lifespans this could’ve happened a while ago, Eir could easily be in her 60’s or 70’s.

I’ll try to dig up that short story and re-read it, but that’s what I recall. Eir’s husband/Braham’s dad was the cause of the two not really meeting, or if anything Eir went on her own journey and the dad kept the son.

WHICH, by the way, doesn’t seem that odd with Norn given how Knut’s wife explicitly just goes on long trips throughout the shiverpeaks and nobody bats an eye.

But I’ll be sure to re-read the short story again to confirm.

Invictus.1503:

If that is the case why not just say “long sword” or “kitten sword” or for that matter just “sword.” All are equally close.

I can understand pointing out an error naming it if the swords are physically distinct. IE, if somebody called a straight blade a scimitar.

But, as I recall, isn’t long sword also used to describe some ‘great sword’ style blades?

kitten sword (yay censor) and long swords (as we know them in terms of fantasy) also tended to be similar IIRC.

This is a case of going after somebody because they use the most common type of blade in that style name. My glance at wikipedia explicitly said that sword after a while tended to be used for ceremonial purposes only, so likely few overall even KNOW about it. I certainly didn’t until the name complaints. In the end, The only difference I saw between the two was that one was longer and couldn’t be sheathed at the waist. Otherwise, exact same style blade.

Shiren.9532:

I really hope this isn’t a “Belinda and Marjory are special snowflakes” plot. People die in Tyria all the time, becoming a ghost isn’t that common. Why would Belinda become a ghost when other characters are dying in similar situations and not becoming ghosts?

I fail to see how it’s “special snowflake” plot at all. We have a ghost in queensdale who died and watches over her family farm at her own request to grenth.

We know that a chunk of ghosts happen because of something keeping them grounded on the world until it’s done/dealt with, or simply the person died SO FAST they didn’t even notice.

videoboy.4162:

Rytlock didn’t expect his actions in the tomb to break the entire curse. His sole purpose of going into the tomb was to test his theory about the sword, before attempting to break the curse at its source.

Exactly. Kinda like the royal tombs in Orr PS.

Only difference being that it’s the opposite, Rytlock knew the source but had to see if the ritual would even work on a small area.

In PS, Trahearne did the ritual at the Royal tombs, got a bit of response, but then we figured out it wasn’t the source.

Serophous.9085:

there’s only one problem;

All the gods are MIA. And if you say “they can come back.” That would be a HORRIBLE idea. The dragons go for the strongest source of magic, and any god that comes back would have a big “EAT ME” sign over their head.

Of course, gods are also very powerful beings so I don’t think the dragons would have that easy a time. The couple spirits of the wild held back Jormag long enough for the Norn as a RACE to flee south.

Also they aren’t MIA, they simply stopped talking to humanity all the time.

Khovenost.7143:

Kalavier.1097:

Seeing how Barradin is one of the ghosts that gets fought by the charr a bit and forced to disperse… (in lore at least, they mention it’ll take him months to come back from the tutorial fight IIRC)

Any ghosts that are ‘semi sane’ are the ones who are in catacombs, the champions of Adelbern. Maybe a handful elsewhere but all those are very anti-charr. <_<.

The tutorial fight happened 2 years ago, if you are a charr and look at the journal you’ll see the dates.

My point was that they comment on how it’ll take him months to reform (If I remember the dialogue right), even with the time-locked zones, we can assume he’s probably be smashed down a few times between tutorial and present day, likely just he didn’t get as many ghosts to cause the amount of trouble he did in tutorial.

Seeing how Barradin is one of the ghosts that gets fought by the charr a bit and forced to disperse… (in lore at least, they mention it’ll take him months to come back from the tutorial fight IIRC)

Any ghosts that are ‘semi sane’ are the ones who are in catacombs, the champions of Adelbern. Maybe a handful elsewhere but all those are very anti-charr. <_<.

Jaken.6801:

Which is just what you are asuming.
As long as I see this bloodied pact, which fought Zaithan about 2 Years ago even attempting fighting the new thread, then I cannot take the escalation to Continent Alliance (Tyria Alliance) seriously.

Also:

The PC, over the course of his personal story has connection to his racial leader, the representative of Destiny Edge, the currentLeader of the Pact, who is a firstborn Sylvari (secondborn?), met the pale Tree and has connection to all order leaders.

He has prooven his worth to all of them and subsequently his word should have a lot of worth, since he is a veteran of several battles…

A: Bloodied then. It’s had time to rebuild it’s strength up. Even then, Trahearne’s letter mentions with the nations backing the Pact (or simply united and working alongside), they’d likely loose a lot less people then the Pact did fighting Zhaitan.

B; As said, being a war hero doesn’t just mean you can barge into high ranking officials offices whenever you please and demand stuff. Besides that fact that could make them in a sour mood (depending on person) and somewhat less likely to listen fully.

Jaken.6801:

I don`t know. How about simply writing a mail?

Then you wait for it to arrive and actually be read. Or hope it doesn’t get lost while mail is being sorted by an aide to the leader.

Why should the Tengu be involved, they aren’t close to the Maguuma wastes…

Honestly, I feel like sometimes people are just trying to shove the Tengu into everything and demanding them as a playable race without actually thinking about it.

edit: Okay, yeah the vine attacks are all over the place, but I feel like people are clinging to the tengu and not even coming up with good reasons to include them.

narwhalsbend.7059:

Well we know the writers like to demolish any lore from GW1 at any opportunity, so I don’t see it as too far fetched that they would just destroy all of Ascalon and call it a day.

Oh really?

Also, no, if the ghosts were to be dealt with and gone forever, the Charr wouldn’t just suddenly turn against Ebonhawke and attack it. There is a thing called “Peace treaty” between the Charr and humans now.

Even if they did, there is the Ascalon settlement in Kryta.

xXMapcoXx.9614:

Broham is in my opinion a very annoying character. He says things out of left field that contradict how everyone is feeling. Like when you go to stomp scarlet and she asked," dont you wanna know why I did all of this." Of course broham responses says," NO, we don’t like to be pushed around!" REALLY BRAHAM WE DON’T WANNA KNOW THIS VERY IMPORTANT DETAIL ABOUT THE STORY?

“Hm, YEAH, let’s allow scarlet to monologue, knowing full well she has in the past had voice commands on stuff. Meaning she could do anything from teleport away to summon an assault knight into the room.”

That’s the other option. Braham was being in character, and frankly if you let the villain monologue, ON PURPOSE, AFTER they say something like that “Don’t you wanna know why???”

It’s just asking for trouble.

sleight.9638:

Anmida.4058:

Actually, no. They wear furs purposedly and solely to honor the spirits. This is stated by several NPCs, including the female norn as close as right outside the asura gate in Hoelbrak; Norn do not feel the Shiverpeaks cold, and find no necessity for the warmth pelts or fur may provide. It is merely a spiritual factor, and it is safe to assume if this wasn’t a PG 13 game there would be random norn walking in their, eh, natural selves around.

They honor the animal spirits by killing off animals representing those, and than flaying them? very cheesy piece of lore right here.
Where I’m from they call this genocide

Native Americans respected and/or honored animals, yet they hunted them as well.

It’s not like they are murdering EVERY SINGLE BEAR. But yes, it’s explicitly stated they wear fur as means of honor/respecting the animal, not to keep warm.

Infact, the player norn comment on it to the Asura gate mechanic in hoelbrek “We wear fur to honor the spirits, not to keep warm.”
His comment? “Yes, I’ve seen what passes for clothing around here. The spirits do not require modesty! Or hygiene. Or manners. No offense.”

Which ties into what Anmida said, Likely Norn don’t care about being naked or not when around the house.

RedStar.4218:

lordkrall.7241:

That analogue would work. IF the COUNTRIES were part of the Pact.
That is not the case. The Pact is made up by the ORDERS and as such they have no power in the different countries.
Which seems to be the whole point of the current summit. To gather the COUNTRIES under one banner and confront the Dragon.

And that’s where things start making even less sense. The main goal of the Orders is to deal with the ED and they have no problem recruiting people.
The countries however have a ton of stuff to deal with so they leave the ED to the Orders so they can take care of non-ED related trouble.
Why bother rallying the countries when the Pact already exists.

Because the Pact was bloodied fighting Zhaitan, and with how the vines can possibly show up anywhere, it’s better to have all the races on the same page?

Also, Kryta is fairly stable right now, it doesn’t have DIRE pressing threats atm.

Basically, it’s giving the Pact a boost in manpower to better combat the jungle dragon.

Anmida.4058:

Granted things like “Are nightmare sylvari and dreamer sylvari related or not” have been perfectly addressed by the lore and even in-game campaigns, hell there is a whole dungeon about it.

Sometimes it’s not NCSoft. Sometimes it’s people just not caring to learn before spouting.

^ this.

Some details ARE covered in lore, people just never bother to read up.

arthurobenzi.2619:

Kalavier.1097:

when they physically equal an entire Charr warband?

They don’t . One top norn hero defeated an little ash warband in close fight, attacking them by surprise. Already the balance is false, to have a comparaison, it would be vs a blood warband, or even a top tier charr of Blood legion . The end would be pretty different.

You must’ve missed GW1 EOTN, where Charr and Norn basically left each other alone because hostile moves by the Charr toward the Norn typically got beaten. IIRC, the early warbands that went into Norn lands and caused trouble got absolutely destroyed.

Honestly, I don’t know the details of the situation you are talking about. I do recall hearing in this thread about a Norn who lifted a Charr with a single hand (adult charr) and flung them across the room.

Dustfinger.9510:

Where does this idea of “top tier” come from? All warbands from all legions are generally battlehardened soldiers who grew up working together since childhood. And all norn generally aim for heroism. How do we know the Ash warband wasn’t top tier of the Ash Legion? The answers are that we really have no idea how any other warband would have faired but we do know that individual norn strength allows a single norn to atleast compete with warbands.

Also, that lone incident is not the entirety of the evidence. We have Sea of Sorrows where a hardened warband surprises the captains council including an unarmed norn who uses a bench to subdue 3 armed and battle hardened charr.

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To the side, Captain Heda took om three charr at once. She’s picked up a heavy oak bench, her arms rippling with massive strength beneath the softness of her chubby body. When all three charged her, Hedda set her feet and held the bench crosswise in front of her chest, setting her entire weight against it. Even with all three charr pushing as hard as they could, the buxom norn woman walked forward step by step, shoving them back with each stride. When she reached the edge of the pavilion, Hedda gave a roar and slammed the bench back even farther, pinning all three squirming soldiers against the wall.

Yep, find me a charr warband that doesn’t strive to be the best at their job, and I’ll be amazed. Also thanks for that quote, hadn’t heard that scene before.

A chubby norn basically pinning three charr soldiers against a wall with a bench despite their hardest efforts? And people STILL doubt Norn strength?

“Waiting for their appointment” being the key term. Sure, anybody can get a meeting maybe, but in a schedule. More effective to leave a message with somebody not tied down in meetings or having a waiting list to see then trying to either wait in line OR barge past everybody else and make yourself look like a jerk :P. Also don’t those refugee farmers mention they’ve been waiting for a WHILE to get their meeting?

Course, my point was moreso about how your rep might not instantly grant you an meeting, or a 100% “Will attend” result. And why would the Arcane Council truly listen to a Norn, charr, or anybody non-asura really? I mean, Asura are egotistical by nature almost all the time, and the Arcane Council can show that to the max. The Norn or Charr yeah, I could see them listening to somebody proven, but Asura are harder to convince. Jennah for sure accepts because Kryta is much more stable now and she’s all for the alliances already :P.

It’s one thing to say “As commander of the Pact, I’d like be listened to.”, another to go “I’m commander of the Pact, I can barge into any nation leader office I want and say my piece, then walk off and they’ll agree to it because I’m RESPECTED!” :P

sleight.9638:

ghtchill.7613:

I like the chest piece as it is, more ventilation! And Norn warrior women like to show off the “warheads”.

Because Shiverpeaks has the same climate as Southsun Cove?

Kalavier.1097:

Exaggeration much?

Nope not at all. Take a closer look. You can actually see the tan marks where a bra should be.

Actually, Norn do very well in cold climates. They generate LOTS of body heat, so they can basically walk about the town in a pair of pants and not be affected.

Also I was talking about the “The swimsuits cover more skin” part :P.

Really, we don’t have much of an idea of what the Jade Maw (GW2) body is like, we just see tentacles and the head… which is kinda like the basilisks Kryta actually.

sleight.9638:

C’mon arenanet, you can see the tanlines. Even the swimsuit is covering more skin.

Exaggeration much?

Braham grew up away from his mom, and never heard anything BUT the legends as I recall.

And then when that information came out, everybody started heaping HER legend onto him, which is what really drove them apart I think. He wants to be known for HIS actions, not hers.

This is the first time he’s seen her in action, he can now link the legend to the woman. And he’s done a lot more stuff now then before, so he’s a little more experienced. Before he just sat in the stead all day long. As that’s the reason his love interest dumped him, he basically hadn’t traveled anywhere, or done ANYTHING.

One issue I have with the “Why didn’t we ever hear about Trahearne before!?!?!”

Why would we? At WHAT POINT in the personal story before that section would mentioning Trahearne make sense for non-sylvari players? All three order missions don’t involve Risen. The sympathy missions, only one involves Risen(Hylek, IIRC).

So, when could he be mentioned or appear in a way that is relevant to the story, makes sense, and tells us about his knowledge of Orr/risen?

Cartheb.4861:

Nilkemia.8507:

NovaanVerdiano.6174:

Nilkemia.8507:

Neat find, I didn’t see that. Didn’t expect them to make her a ghost….now I’m kind wondering why they didn’t do that for our Order mentors, or any of the other notable characters who die. Oh well…

It’d have been awesome to see Forgal’s ghost still on Claw Island, fighting off the undead inside, until we retook it, at which point his soul would be at peace and pass into the Mists, or even sometimes have ghosts of the characters that died in your Personal Story “haunting” your Home Instances at night or something.

They probably didn’t do it because they ended up as Risen in an event in Bloodtide Coast.

Eh, no they didn’t. That event only happens with Seiran’s death, and Sylvari don’t become Risen. That was a mission to avenge her death. The Sovereign Eye claims that they’re Risen now as you fight him, but since we don’t actually fight a Risen Forgal/Tybalt (and as before, Seiran couldn’t get Risen’d), it was probably a lie.

You can get the event for Tybalt and Forgal too
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Kill_the_Risen_commander_to_avenge_Tybalt
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Kill_the_Risen_commander_to_avenge_Forgal

AND in the Forgal and Tybalt events, the Risen commander is always a norn and a charr

Invictus.1503:

Sad Swordfish.9743:

Where is her Katana??? I NEED HER KATANA!!

She never had a Katana in the first place. She had an Odachi

99% of people don’t care about details of the EXACT style of sword.

perilisk.1874:

Maybe part 2 will deal with the White Mantle (we already dealt with Norn, Charr, and Asuran issues, but securing the queen’s attendance was not featured),

The queen’s attendance wasn’t in the front because Kryta’s major issues have been dealt with. Norn and Charr have pressing threats, while the bandits are reduced (cause Cauducus living with Jennah and being unable to direct them) and the Centaurs pushed back. So humanity doesn’t have to worry AS much.

Erukk.1408:

Kasmeer went to go get the Queen to agree to attend the summit, but she was never send to go talk to her. She herself admitted that would probably be impossible.

Kasmeer: I think our best shot is to talk to Countess Anise. If anyone can get the queen’s ear, it’s her. I just hope she has time to hear us out.
Player: So you don’t think the queen will talk to you?
Kasmeer: Even when my family was in good standing, it was tough to get an audience with her. And now? Well…she’s very busy, you know?

And as much as players like to think being Commander of the Pact gives them special status everywhere, it still don’t allow them to instantly gain audiences and access to the leadership of every nation. They can probably request a meeting, and possibly get priority given their rank, but they have to go through the channels like everyone else.

EXACTLY!

I’m sorry, but a well known military hero in the USA can’t just march into t white house and instantly get a meeting with the President.

Why should we be able to?

edit: And as somebody else said, the Arcane Council probably only vaguely knows my human noble, Whitebear and Smolder the same way as Whitebear met my necromancer ONCE.

Jennah on the other hand, knows my character decently well because of PS and CM combined.

Likewise flipping it around, Knut Whitebear might know my guardian very well (Being a Norn), but the Arcane council wouldn’t know a thing about her. Jennah only interacting with her once if we are talking PS/dungeons as character stories

A: When do they say all world leaders have great knowledge about all the dragons?

Infact, I think the point in the Norn and Charr parts is basically informing them about how they could very easily be at risk.

B: WE ARE A SINGLE PERSON. You expect us to see every tiny thing? Every scout? Order of Whispers are VERY good at being unseen when they want to be. As a single person, in a lore standpoint, we’d see what’s directly around us. We wouldn’t know if the Pact sent an airship over the falls (they very well could’ve!). We wouldn’t know if Trahearne sent a series of scouts across the Maguuma wastes region…

Moving armies takes TIME. If Trahearne was mobilizing the Pact to march toward the wastes, it wouldn’t be instant travel and done deal.

Also the very, very clear fact that sometimes in universe time does NOT MATCH REAL TIME. Battle for LA (including Escape) did not take months. Those events happened a single time. Marionette fight? Didn’t last two weeks, it happened a single time.

Episode 2 could’ve easily been within days of episode 1. Episode 3 possibly a week from episode 2.

Recall for example, we went into Dry Top investigating strange things and a bandit smuggling operation. We walked into Dry top as the Sanctum crashed. We had no idea the Sanctum was overhead (in character), or that it was sabotaged and crashing. We literally walked into the event. So how would we know if there isn’t a Pact airship over the falls?

Let’s say the pact was still in rebuilding/organizing/stand by mode when Episode 1 happens (which doesn’t clearly have any dragon hints at all, it’s just some vines at that point). Episode 2 happens, suddenly the vines strike out (we’ll assume a few days after episode 1 in this situation). Pact suddenly is alerted to this because of Concordia.

Then we have.. probably a week before episode 3 events in this situation/assumption.

So going with… 2-3 weeks, based out of Fort Trinity (Pact HQ remember?) Scouts could still be on the field, or just now reporting back.

“Plans” could mean simply large scale troop movements. Not “We are planning to scout.” People here like to think it’s easy to instantly move entire armies and their supplies, siege weapons, support lines, etc… it’s not.

IIRC Chaos Crystal Cavern was at the endpoint of one of the set of vine expansions…

And yes, at least some of the vines directly went after the Priory pack dolyak.

The only headcanon I toy with sometimes mainly has the dragons much more on the offense, and LA is rebuilt (end of PS timeframe, before scarlets stuff) as a fortress :P.

Jaken.6801:

D: Here comes the whole “Everyone suddenly knows Mordremoth” into play.
Suddenly everyone knows now who Mordremoth is.
The Pale Tree even stated that she knew it the moment she heard the Roar, which implies that allready had a hunch.
I do not really know how to feel about her, since she should be able to give us much more answers then she is ready to at the moment.

But not everybody knows instantly who it is. The people we talk to are Destiny’s edge, or nation leaders… It’s not like some peasant is screaming it.

E: Okay, getting all races together is the logical reaction you come to? That is no proper escalation in my book. Sorry.
We had a problem. Zaithan.
We defeated the problem through the pact. Which means we have a fighting force which is able to fight toe to toe with Eldar dragons and his minions.

A fighting force that got bloodied fighting in Orr, and Orr still is dangerous. We aren’t talking about taking a single fort, we are talking about marching through a nation filled to the brim with undead, and every fallen possibly adding to the enemy ranks. As Commander (former) of the Pact, we know EXACTLY how bloodied the Pact was (Or logically should). Given how the attacks are, it’s also a good idea to get the nation armies united and alert, as the vines are attacking all over. We don’t have a pretty front line like with the Risen.

Yes, Trahearn would love the “extra firepower”, which general would not.
However, the question her is: Why is he not fighting already?

Why is the pact nowhere to be seen?
We were told they did not engage Scarlet, because “she was no eldar dragon”.

Now they tell us everyone knew it was Mordremoth and the Pact is still not moving or sending scouts or whatever.

I am sorry, this right now is just trying to top the PS in terms of scale and while the scenario fit and i get the idea they are going for, the whole thing seriously breaks down if we go into pacing and structure.

When do they say “Everybody knew it was Mordremoth”

Seriously, I did run it once truthfully, and fast, but the only real mention I got of that was “The Pale tree knew it was Mordremoth, and was working to make sure the grove security got buffed.” Not “Every peasant, militiaman, and farmer knows it was Mordremoth.” Maybe you mean something else, but I didn’t really get that feeling from the update. Or if it appeared, it’s more of “OH, so that roar is linked to these vines trying to kill us, OKAY!”

Who says the Pact isn’t planning, moving, or sending scouts out?

Also consider Trahearnes letter to YOU. In which he says he wants to meet you before the summit so he can get you up to speed on what the pact has been doing. ALSO that he wants to tell you some things about the Pact and it’s plans for mordremoth

He also explicitly mentions “Maybe we’ll loose fewer people then we did fighting Zhaitan.” This points to me the obvious fact, the Pact’s victory over Zhaitan cost a LOT. Sure, it didn’t break the Pact manpower wise, but it wasn’t easy.

Jaken.6801:

So, episode 3 starts today, lets get the discussion going

Obviously spoiler

Beware, i feel like a lot i will be writing will sound harsh, but believe me, i am mostly positive in my opinion

- Kasmeer gets pushed in the center again as the unvailer of the nightmare tower

- taimi is back to school… What about the whole Mordremoth etc.? urgency please…

- So Majory is just away for a short while… what was the point then… (well, we will see)

- The pale tree knew about Mordremoth since the roar… How about giving us a call?
Then the pale tree does not know how far it spreads… so she is only aware of his awakening and nothing more? Is her Mordremoth sense tingeling?

- So a summit now? I know that we have talked about it, but how about getting the pact more involved first. You know, the fighting force designed to fight eldar dragons?
I know it is urgent, but this Season beginns to feel like a rushed job…

A: I don’t see how it’s “Pushed into the center”, the Warden was, IIRC, merely commentating on feats he had been told about from your group. Kasmeer and You hold that.
B: You really expect the colleges and/or Zojja to let Taimi run about freely for months on end instead of attending her coursework?
C: Um, Marjory left for the funeral and to grieve, that’s not something that might take forever….
D: Frankly, we heard the roar in LA. A lot of people knew something was up.
E: Note Trahearne sends you a letter and comments that if the five races unite, them + the Pact could fight the dragon and possibly loose a LOT less people then the Pact did against Zhaitan. Basically, “The extra firepower and numbers can REALLY help out.”

RedStar.4218:

And what the hell is the point of a summit ? The orders and now the Pact are in charge of fighting the dragons. That’s their mission, and up to now, they have one success

And they took quite a beating taking out Zhaitan.

Trahearne sends you a letter saying that the five races united and fighting a dragon together with the Pact could mean victory with a LOT less fallen soldiers. A lot less blood on the ground.

Erukk.1408:

• Asuran bureaucracy I can understand, and its horribly sad that I have to agree with Phlunt of all people. Two weeks!? I know they are trying to sync it up with real time, but my character didn’t seem to bat an eyelash at that. Two weeks was enough time for Mordy to cross most of Tyria and ripe apart two forts, and add two weeks more, he seems to be doing a hostile invasion of the Iron Marches now. Two weeks is a long time, and my character should be deeply frustrated when hearing that.

They never said two weeks. Though this is one of the first times we get explicit in lore time matching real time.

A lot of the other updates and events were NOT two weeks apart. Infact, I’d say two weeks (in canon) didn’t pass between episode 1 and 2 for season 2, like two weeks didn’t pass between the escape from LA and the battle for LA.

BrunoBRS.5178:

lordkrall.7241:

RedStar.4218:

Each time a dragon woke up, it did something incredibly huge and terrible.

More than a few months after waking up, all Mordremoth has done is destroy a few forts and kill a few dozen of people. That’s not big.

Do not confuse in-game time with real-world time.

For all we know it has only been two weeks since the defeat of Scarlet.

they went through the trouble of syncing the calendar to disprove that kind of argument.

They also explicitly said events such as the Marionette happened ONCE TOTAL in canon, and was a success.

There was no two weeks of fighting the Marionette in canon, it happened a single time.

edit: Also, Jennah agreeing makes sense. She was the force behind the human-charr treaty, EXACTLY for the reason of the dragons.

Also, IIRC, Kasmeer name-drops you to Anise as well.

As for “Why don’t I just meet with EVERYBODY!” Well, you can be in one place at one time. Meanwhile, you got four other people here who can easily drop by and deliver your message for you…

Also the fact various leaders ARE busy, so you barging into an Arcane Council meeting to demand they come to a summit wouldn’t work at all. Also the fact if you are say, a Norn or human, they might ignore you entirely.

Funny because we see a lot of Charr gladiators/ring fighters/pirates…

And a lot of Norn in the vigil/lionguard/orders…

Looking back, that line really can be viewed more as saying “We can do this with 5 guys, humans need a small army.” Different races mean different things. Why would a norn fighting alone or in a small group = “Not playing with a full deck” when they physically equal an entire Charr warband?

In EOTN, basically five norn did the same thing as the ebon vanguard group dispatched…

Sylvari don’t naturally have surnames, but NOTHING at all is stopping them from choosing one themselves.

It’s simply be more like a ‘title’ then an actual family name.

Zaxares.5419:

Taken from the short story “What Scarlet Saw”:

“Professor Omadd, Headmaster Emeritus of the College of Synergetics, anxiously twisted his ear as he waited for the sylvari woman to wake. She had been thrashing violently in the isolation module for days now, crying out random syllables and howling in…pain? Ecstasy? Omadd wasn’t sure. Even a genius of his caliber could only guess what was happening inside that leafy green head.”

Now, I’ll grant that this “isolation module” may not necessarily have been the mind-opening machine itself, but the later paragraphs do suggest that it is the same machine.

Isolation module to me would mean the table she was strapped to, or was simply his name for the machine.

But yes, the quote above is the source. She spent days within the machine and in the vision, us players did not even come close to that.

Scarlet was in the machine for days, players were not.