Guild Wars 2

lettucemode.3789:

Bas and Bhawb figured out how to get the minions to work every time, go listen to the podcast on it. sittingonacouch.com

There solution doesn’t work. And like the guy before me said, they tested it in the mist.

If I remember correctly, the solution was to auto attack.

Oh yeah.

@Lettucemode, if you do WvW (Don’t remember if you do) you know there are bugged what ever you do.

Tetra Bug.7134:

BlueprintLFE.2358:

Pedra.4381:

BlueprintLFE.2358:

Come on AR…. you commander should be embarassed. 3v1 against me and none of you will leave your supply camp guards to fight me.

I’m not in your screen shot, but seriously, a thief calling people out for not “fighting”? LOL.

You got me lol. Seriously though, They were 3 d/d eles… Can’t get much more FOTM lol. Either way I’ve been running s/d for a long time, but I did come up with a new build last night in anticipation of the patch, and was eagerly hoping to test it out.

Don’t put a commander tag on, and then you hide behind 2 other d/d eles and camp guards, maybe it’s just me or our server, but I expect way more from our commanders than that… To me that says I PVE’d and bought the tag so I could feel important.

And talking like this makes me feel like we have a keyboard warrior. Watch out for the tough guy everyone, he’s dangerous

@BlueprintLFE

It’s not AR, it’s 3 guys from SOS­.

And prolly because you are one of those hit and run sword/dagger thief, the new flavor of the month in WvW.

The troll build of the month should I say.

@Emon

I really doubt.

Most others pet work correctly.

Ranger pet have some issue with attacking on the move, but that’s about it. Never had any AI issue with spirit weapon on guardian, or phantasm clone on mesmer.

I’m pretty sure it’s not the same AI.

@Archer

I personally prefer to have fun.

Poison Field isn’t that bad, but I would argue that it’s one of the weakess field in the game.

Surely depend of your team synergy tho.

@Bas

I completly agree about minion in WvW. They have too many drawback.

I’m not sure I follow you with the bone minion and flesh worm poison field?

None of them drop a poison field. Bone minion only blast finish, and Flesh is a blast finisher and cast poison, but itsn’t a field. If you mean that Flesh Worm already cast poison, then I agree. But no field.

Even then, you say it yourself : Death Nova isn’t useful enought to take it. Especially for a GM trait.

@Bas

Kitting people into your bone minion isn’t always doable, and it’s also not supose to be like that. They are supose to be like homing missile. Like when you summon them during a fight, they will go homing mode and hit.

You say you don’t use those trait in wvw/pve because of the AoE killing them. What about PvP? You don’t seems to use it ether, since you didn’t know about them exploding trigger the trait.

Is it because it’s not useful enought? Because I don’t see anyone using this trait.

Out of subject, I also disagree with you on the blood trait line, but we will discuss that when times will come

Why don’t you play boon stripping minions in sPvP?

Bas.7406:

I play a Ranger in pvp, 5-6k is not even close for a bunker build on auto attack even with 30 percent more damage on crit. Running a full power pet build you can get 4k on a crit with might stacks and coming off stealth. 5-6 k is not even close it’s more like 1-2k crit on auto and 3-4k out of stealth.

Bone Minions as far as I am aware don’t trigger the death nova trait unless they die without blowing up.

Let me explain why damage on Death Nova is just a bad idea. You have poison field plus poison = aoe weakness – blast finishers. Just because you and your team aren’t using your poison field correctly doesn’t mean it’s bad. Putrid explosion boom use your finishers, and suddenly your opponent is struggling to keep up because even if the clear the initial poison your team readily reapplies it with finishers, now you add in the 4k damage from both explosions plus your axe 2 chain of 5-7k in Berzerker gear toss in the ticking damage, and the retal from axe 3 on you or flip to dagger and drop the guy with awell and dagger 1. Adding more damage to an ability like death Nova would be a mistake.

I don’t even take Death Nova anymore its better to spend the 30 to pickup Close to Death or Axe Mastery.

And here we are again :
“Just because you and your team aren’t using your poison field correctly doesn’t mean it’s bad. "

I was wondering if I could get away without Bhawb or Bas remembering me that I don’t know how to play this game. Thanks man

“I play a Ranger in pvp”

I also play it, and I also play it in WvW/PvE. I’m used a lot the BM bunker build in sPvP. We might use some different traits/utility, but I was able to pull those number. I didn’t pull them out of nowhere. There were also a post not too long ago on the Ranger forum, wondering what kind of damage you could achieve with Jaguar on BM bunker.

Bones minions trigger the death nova when they explod. Early on at release it wasn’t like that. They eventually changed it, might be around december, I’m not sure.

and we all know how AWESOME are poison field. Oh sorry did I just put a poison field over your firefield, sorry no might of stack for you, but hey you have now 30 sec of weakness on the ennemy

And you just forgot about all the difficulties we have to go tru to land it. It’s not a simple grenade barrage like my Engineer that can hit for 10k. That’s a summon-aim-fire-hope-maybetouch skills, which does less then half the damage, with a 1 second delay between each duration.

You even admit yourself it’s not worth the investissement.

The question is : Is it worth to have a poison field, or to have 20% more damage when enemy is under 50% hp? Is it better then 3 sec of stability? I think it’s nowhere near those 2 trait.

And other then bone minion, when was the last time you told yourself : “ kitten good thing I had poison nova” when one of your minion died?

And if you don’t like the damage add, we can add something else. Bleeds, cripple, immob, blind, fear(ahaha).

@LAD Infinitum

Slteath might be misunderstood, but it still the worse design of Stealth I played in a MMORPG.

And to say Anet said they didn’t want thief to have perma invis. Yet they gave them the ability to spam it, can’t be seen, and has no counter other then channeling abilities.

And I don’t mean Thief are OP, they aren’t. It’s just a mecanism I really dislike.

I wouldn’t be as bad if at least we knew they were working on it.

They replied about it like 4 month ago, and we didn’t receive an update since then.

Does it really take 4 month to resolve pet AI? Some issue can be complex, but really 4 month?

@Bhawb

OP ask for the 30 point trait to add some direct damage. Let’s say 1k direct damage on explosion.

So without damage trait, explosion does less then 2k. With the minion damage trait, it does around 2.3k if I remember correctly.

So you have 2 homing missiles, that require a precast, and (in WvW) that won’t run to the ennemy 80% the time. In sPvP, they are less buggy, but they still tend to bug for me (But not Bhawb, that guy use auto attack to debug it, but I’m not skilled enought to do that). So you have 2 unreliable missile, who are pretty slow once in combat. If they don’t get cleaved/AoE’d to death, you can explod them, but only if both of them are near the ennemy.

Because you have no idea which one will explod first, so you need both in range or it’s 50% chane of hit.You explod one, you have 1 cd timer, you explod the other.

You just did around 4.6k damage, let say 5k damage, with poison and weakness from the blast.Less then 4k without minion damage trait.

On a bunker build, meh it’s not that bad, but it’s nothing incredible. Especially how hard it is to land, how unreliable.

A Bunker Ranger can use a jaguar and crit for 5-6k on auto attack and still out bunker you.

In my opinion, the minion explosion is lack luster, as is the trait. Poison is good, but a lot of classe can counter it with cleansing, or poison removal heal.
Also take into account the liability of the attack.

Pushing it to top! Need an answer!

Don’t let this thread die! A major bug like this, beeen present since release, is unacceptable.

Especialy since we didn’t get much feedback since like 4-5 month ago when they said : Keep testing it!

Did i miss something? Where did they say thàt?

@Haz

I thought they removed minions from rallying people?

Hi there,

Following my previous post about 1/3 HP in downed state for necro and it
success ( Got an answer within 1 hour, while We posted it for 3 weeks ++ in the bug and class forum without any answer), here we go for another MAJOR bug plaguing our necromancer communty.(no punt intended)

Minions AI, especially in World vs World.

There are many issue with them, and it has been posted many times in various sub forum. If you resume :

- They go AFK during fight. Mainly the melee minions. Flesh Goelm (an Elite) is a big culprit, as are our bone minions. They will randomly stop attack, and sometime they won’t do anythning for the entire fight duration.

They have many other design issue(like Flesh golem dispeling when entering water), but them going AFK during fights is the worse in my opinion.

Here a link to Xsorus video, where you can see a lot of AFK’ing from minions :

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/necromancer/Scarecrow-Army-Volume-1-MM-WvW/

For those that don’t know him, Xsorus is the maker of pains inverters videos and he mainly played a Ranger. He started playing a MM necromancer lately, and here what he had to say about minions :

" I didn’t think it was possible to get a dumber pet then a Rangers…I was wrong…Now I don’t so much mind my pets having a hard time getting to a target, which they do..What i do mind in any MMO is when i’m fighting someone to look 3 feet to the left and see my Pet standing there…."

It’s an horrible bug, and it’s one of the reason why I stopped playing my necro 4 month ago. Always waiting for the next patch only to find out Anet didn’t do anything about it yet.

It’s unacceptable, and it has been what? 7 month since release? We have to do something.

Once again, I’m asking the WvW communty to keep this thread alive. We need Anet WvW team to see this, since they seems to be more communicative then the rest of the team.

We need this, for the sake of Minion Master in WvW.

@Swamurabi

They already responded about this like 4 month ago.

Yet they didn’t debug it yet. Maybe they think it’s not existing.

during that time, I was trying to push MM build really hard in WvW. I was roaming with it, and wanted to make a good build around it .

Yet patch after patch, there was no sign of any minion AI debug. I kept waiting, but I got tired. That was one of the reason why I stopped playing Necromancer.

That’s ridicoulous. It’s the first time I see that kind of bug for so long in a game without any kind of repair.

Anet should be ashamed.

Should I make a post about it in WvW ? :P

naphack.9346:

Kardiamond.6952:

@naphack

Most of the guild in this thread are NA guild (if not all of them). I doubt they will transfer to EU server. :P

They only want to pvp anyway, so timezones and times of server reset, peak hours etc should not matter much, if they split up evenly between servers.

It does, has hardcore pvpers don’t like skill lag.

And I remember Zooks, a high level elementalist from spvp, went to EU for some fun, and his ping was 3 time higher.

So If you ask me, EU would’nt be an option.

Fear suffer from both being a condition and a disable.

And that mesmer prolly didn’t have any condition removal equip to counter any of your conditions.

Pretty funny from a mesmer to call you cheap.

Nobody is calling fear imbalanced, frustrated people will call anything OP.

@naphack

Most of the guild in this thread are NA guild (if not all of them). I doubt they will transfer to EU server. :P

oZii.2864:

Really Star? I remember seeing Star roam lets see you have a fotm condition Engi with Quip, a Fotm Scepter Ele, a thief and a glass mesmer.

There are 9 classes most have 2 – 3 viable specs. If you spec to roam for any of those classes they are pretty much going to be built the pretty much the same.

Most people see a ele and 9/10 its off hand dagger nobody cares if they have 10 in fire or 30 in arcana and there is no way to know that unless you play that class. I don’t know much about eles except the rotation is pretty much the same except for a few things that are easy tells for scepter.

If you see a warrior roaming 9/10 he has a great sword with him or a main hand sword.

He isnt roaming with 2 axes and 2 maces and if he is its terrible for that.

This is perspective you get tired of seeing the same roaming classes because those classes are well the best at roaming o.O they are capable of that because of inherent abilities within the class. See tons of solo roaming necro’s that don’t die alot?

The star engi with quip which could be you that likes to jump around and for some reason do the pull all the time on me no matter if I am on my thief, mesmer or warrior. Is built like gasp the vT female sylvari engi maybe except for a few traits but its about the same I know even less about engi’s than I do ele’s but pull bar confusion stacks masked behind conditions? Sound about right?

That Moob Engi that has a alt 1 trick pony thief bask is up I attack not up I run has a Engi with the rifle that is different than what I seen most engi’s run that hits like a truck. There is also a engi from I think bp with the legendary rifle who has a similar build but for the most part Engi looks like net turrets and some grenades to me.

I’m not

I just joined STAR 2 days ago, and I didn’t play my Engi since then. I don’t have a legendary ether, it would require PVE, and I won’t do that :P

Might be another star group or a player I didn’t see yet?

Anyway I fully agree that confusion engineer are the new FOTM, and are really strong in WvW.

But I wasn’t talking about people playing FotM when roaming. You already fight outnumbered, so many people go for the easy roaming class (Mesmer, Elem, Engi, Thief).

But fighting only Mesmer and thief during one evening, was really getting on my nerf. Just the chaos they bring to the table with all the clones and the invis, is annoying as hell.

By the way, I’m currently running with my necromancer. I’m nothing to be fear off, since I’m mainly there for support, I don’t use my duelling build.

And my special hate for thief are only for the Sword that just invis/port around you. Poke you with a stick and basilic venom.

So shall I say they have a lot more option then us to be effective?

And their targetted AoE daze is better then our fear. And their number 3 too.

Tetra Bug.7134:

Hey man, it’s okay. Sometimes you get wiped by a smaller number, WvW happens. You can argue numbers all day, but the point is [GH] played that choke really well.

And all those actually talking about this fight.

We were roaming around this tower when the wall felt.

And what you don’t see in this video, there was another group of Ebay sandwiching Anvil Rock.

We walked around the tower at the beginning of the fight, not going in because we dont care about tower.

Then during the fight we came back to help them.

Only to see a lot of Ebay jump down from the tower chasing the AR guys. I wish I took a screenshot.

But Ebay was far from outnumbered. Maybe during a part of the fight near the champion npc you were not many up there, but there was some number down.

I don’t care about tower defence and all, but

- Anvil Rock were far from being 40. AR say they were 20, I thought they were even less. With freaking upleveled player too.

- Ebay were not 7. Again I wish I had taken the screenshot when you pushed AR back. We were a group of 4, usually taking more then we are, but this time you guys were waaaay too many.

- Glamour Mesmer and Confusion Engineer are out of control in WvW. Especially when using a choke point.

@GH/GF

Do you guys only have Mesmer and thief lol? :P

Man on Teamspeak yesterday here a resume of the communication :

“Here some Ebay”

“Oh man”

“Looks mesmer again”

“Oh nice how fun will it be”

“so what is it now? the 30th fight we had with mesmers?”

“Oh look at it, there are 3 of them and they are all glamour”

“FUN FUN FUN”

Really, it just boring over time to always fight the same roaming classes.

And those trolling sword thief…

“Hey there a thief attack him!”

“No don’t, he is going to attack you, fail to combo you, then sword port back and run away”

And he did, we ignored him for a while, as that GF thief was just hitting and running around.

But be sure that once he died, he got jumped and danced on his corpse. I never do it, but this time I did.

I have respect for most class, and I’m sure that guy is skilled, that sword thief from GF. But to play a troll build like this, he deserved everything we did.

Fun night yesterday, I hope we will fight something else then thief and mesmer next time.

Faux Sheaux.6179:

Yeah that was us. Our little group of 3 that kept getting stmped by you and TRI. We tried to dance to get your attention that we weren’t aggressive but you ganked us anyways lol. We set up a bunch of skirmishes with the TRI group afterward but couldn’t get your names to invite STAR over as well.

If you see us running around and want to try some more skirmishes feel free to message me.

Those were some nice fight.

Was actually the first timne we fought along TRI, I don’t know many small group roamer in AR.

We had some great fight, been a long time since I didn’t get zerg to death all night long. Was cool to find other small group. Especially for our first run as STAR.

I gotta say I’m not a fan of organized fights, I prefer random encounter. Never knowing how many the ennemies are, not knowing if reinforcement is coming. Love that aspect of Open World.

Hope to see you again! Now at least I know everything about your build! mouahah! :P

Well looks like the bug forum is the last place we should post.

Next time, just whine in WvW or sPvP. It’s a lot faster.

Got a reply in 1 hour on the WvW forum.

@Anxiety

Well during the week end I think the party was in AR BL. Now it moved to your. Have fun! :P

@Faux Sheaux

Did we fight you yesterday? I was the a 3 man group of [STAR].

We fought a small group of GH and there was a ranger that really looked like the screen shot you posted.

And he was also really tanky.

@Brando

I think I fought you once. When I came back on my necro.

I remember fighting a GF Necro. Well you killed my warrior friend from LD. You were low HP so I just jumped in with my power/blood necro and stomped you with plague stomp. (Nothing to be proud, you were already really low HP and were retreating)

I was on TS with the warrior and I just heard him say : Man a necro just instant dropped me What the h*ll.

Not sure what you did, but he didn’t like it. :P

I hope to fight you guys again.

Repping [STAR] now.

By the way, I never thought about using the dagger CD reduction for off hand dagger. Is it really worth it?

I can see why you took on dodge trait, and get the vampiric effect too. Would it be better if you went 20 in Reaping, for the 50% longer terror?

@Troop

I don’t think we had this bug since release. I played my necro for 2 month at release, then switched to engineer, then back to my necro.

Only when I came back to my necro like 1 month ago did I feel something wasn’t right.
It might have something to do with the patch they did this winter, when they changed the downed state HP for every class. Might have done a mistake for the necro.

@Styx

I don’t ether.

But it’s a major bug, and I think huge unbalance bug like this deserve an answer.

Xsorus.2507:

Necro pets are clearly worse then Ranger pets, i can make my Ranger pet attack the target.

I have some video now that shows my pets not attacking… at all….They’re just standing there, and it probably has to do with Staff Somewhat, but honestly..Saying AI for your Pets is bad cause staff is wonky is just silly..The game has been out for over 6 month’s, This is honestly something that should not have left beta in its current form.

You should absolutely be berating the hell out of Anet for letting it stand this long..I know when they come to our forums and give us silly lip service for bugged and broken mechanics that should of been fixed i don’t kiss up and make them feel better.

We did, I don’t know how many time we posted about it.

They responded once about it, long time ago, saying they were looking into it.

But Just like the 1/3 HP in downed state bug, I feel like posting it in class or bug forum is useless.

I might have to make another post about it in the WvW subforum!

By the way Xsorus, I might not agree with you on the state of confusion in WvW, but I’m looking forward for your necor video!

And what about the bug forum?

Bull Zooker.1672:

I play a spectral build at yhe moment which is high burst and good survivability if played right.

20/20/0/0/30

very fun to play and the very few 1v1’s ive had with this build it performed brilliantly. I use a/f and d/wh.

knights armor with ruby orbs and everything else is zerk.

Hmm and what about kiting class? wouldn’t you have issue with Mesmer/Ranger and DD Elem?

I have never been a fan of going full glass cannon in duel with necro. We just lack the dodge to counter some burst like thief and mesmer.

For 1on1, both 30/0/10/30/0 and 0/0/10/30/30 worked good for me. Blood trait with vampirism rune and leeching sigil aren’t bad at all for substained healing. You also still have good damage.

@Bhawb

You don’t need to use any trait to have another stun.

You also win most 1on1 fight in downed state.

Ranger isn’t top tier downed state, but it’s better then engineer and necro by a margin.

Dog fear for 2 second? If you ask me that’s really useful

We just got an answer form a moderator in WvW forum that they are looking into it.

Looks good!

@Panh

I would say Engineer and necromancer have the worse. Engineer being in the bottom.

Warrior in team fight are really strong, because they usually can stay downed long enought and use vengeance. And this is a really strong skill. They can also win any 1vs1 if both are downed.

Ranger have it better then people expect. They can use their pet in downed state. So they can have 2 interrupt in a row, and they have the added DPS. Really strong if they are a BM ranger, and if they have the 5 second swiftness when downed.

Rennoko.5731:

And that Kard, is why the squeeky wheel gets the grease.

Nice work.

Yeah, I’m not sure what we can learn from this.

Do a perfect post in the bug section, with test to back it up and all.
-> Receive no answer.

Do a whinning post in WvW forum
-> Receive an instant answer.

Thanks Unamed Moderator.

I knew WvW moderator were a lot more effective there

It would be cool if some Dev could later confirm the bugs, as we only have non-direct test to confirm it.

Until then, you can send your ingame donation so we can buy http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Bowl_of_Fire_Salsa
for everyone.

Torqky.3682:

The cake is a lie! (For you other necros) :P

We should maybe send them another cake.

It did work the first time! (Well not really, we got 2 post on the forum and silence for 3 month)

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/necromancer/The-cake-is-not-a-lie/first

Thanks Styx!

We need your help!

Any donation is accepted!

We have a three man squad on Anvil Rock : Thief, Elem, Necromancer.

I used to be a power vampire build, but the synergy with the team wasn’t good. I had a lot of single target damage, but not much AoE other then staff and one well, well that can be walked away easily by good team.

Our elementalist went full cleric, so I decided to go fear-o-mancer.

The hight toughtness from prec/thought/condition gear + 30 points in death traits for staff traits and fear on CC give enought armor to work well with the AoE healing from elem DD.

Fearomancer is just a wonderful build for WvW, especially when you focus someone with double fear + updraft and thief burst.

Uility : Epidemic, Flesh Worm and Signet of the locus and Plague form.

Epidemic → On condition build in WvW, it’s just too useful. Even after the nerf. Especially if you use it after Elem Churning earth. Crazy amount of bleed.

Flesh Worm → I can’t roam without it. Most WvWers don’t expect a necro to port away. Cast it pre-fight, when in trouble, act like you are running away, then port in the other direction. Good for kiting and release pressure.Also add some average damage during fight.

Signet of locus → I’m used to my engineer, so I just can’t travel without swifteness or in this case, 25% speed. Could use Spectral Walk, but I would miss the perma speed. Also can be useful for emergency healing. Can heal for around 5k in group fight.

Plague form → Flesh golem is good for CC, but it dies a lot, and bug often. Lich form is mainly for power user, and is a big target. Plague form is so tanky. I use it when I don’t have anything left to release pressure. Perma blind is awesome in team fight. Perma cripple too, saved my Elem kitten many time by holding the ennemy.

That’s what I’m running

an condition food → Veggie pizza and crystal.

Ok now I can’t stand it anymore. This issue is getting ignored in our class and bug sub forum.

Maybe here in WvW we will get an answer from Anet, because it’s a bit game breaking for every Necromancer in game, ESPECIALLY in WvW.

For those that don’t know about this bug, there is an awful unbalance when necromancer get downed. Simple explanation, we only have 1/3 the HP that every other class have.

If you play a necro, you might have experienced it, you just get DPS’d really fast when downed.

Here the post with the test and explation :

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/support/bugs/Necromancer-PvE-downed-state-health/

“Final conclusion: Necromancer in PvE and WvW has 1/3 of the downed health compared to every other profession in the game. This issue does not exist in PvP.”

Some hinted it could be balanced this way because our number #1 in downed state is strong. But it doesn’t make any sense, as our downed state ability, other then number #1, are kinda weak and shouldn’t need this kind of balance. And when you consider we don’t have this issue in sPvP, it doesn’t make sense.

Please Anet team, check this out. It’s really anoying to instant die in downed state.

Thank you for reading and let this bug be known! Maybe it will be worse for us for sometime, but at least it will get Dev attention.

P.S : Please feel free to reply, just to give us our support! We need this topic to stay on top, and to have as many replies as we can!

Still no answer, It’s huge, can we get some kind of reply from Anet?

In my roaming group in WvW, the instruction is : If a necro is downed, just DPS him down. It’s faster then finishing him, even with safe stomp.

We were test driving a new roaming group yesterday, we were representing [STAR].

Just want to say thanks for the fight to GH and some other guild for the small scale battle. It’s really hard to get small group fight in this tier, and for once we were happy to have a majority of non-zerg fight.

Tho at the end, a massive BP zerg came in and wasted everything. I don’t have the screen shot with me, but it’s funny I got suppliy dropped on the head, while they were swarming me with a group of 30-40 players. I was wondering, what passed by that engineer head : “Man that necro looks nasty, and we are only 30, I have no other choice, it’s him or us.” Then supply drop me while I was already perma stunned by zergy zerg.

We adapted our build, our guild, our team speak (we actually had issue during our first fight GH, and were trying to resolve thern when you jumped us! :P), our strategy.

We will be on tonight in BP/Ebay borderland. Hope to encounter some other small group, and not one big zerg like usual.

Xsorus.2507:

Did some WvW on him and a few things I noticed.

1. Catching people was even suckier then it is on a Ranger, with basically zero ability to escape a bad situation. I could pound on people all day long, and if they turn and ran chances are they could get away, or they could possibly win since number 2.

2. I didn’t think it was possible to get a dumber pet then a Rangers…I was wrong…Now I don’t so much mind my pets having a hard time getting to a target, which they do..What i do mind in any MMO is when i’m fighting someone to look 3 feet to the left and see my Pet standing there….with his thumb up his kitten If it was a Bone Minion probably wouldn’t care so much, But my Flesh Golem? It honestly was just random as well, The pets would just magically stop attacking and stand there….I suppose this shouldn’t be surprising considering I’ve played a Ranger and know exactly how bad Anet is at coding pets…But honestly having played the Necro now..all i can say is Amateur Hour on whoever did the pet AI.

3. Survivability was So So, I thought i did fairly well in 1v1’s however anything past that was kind of hit or miss….I blame this on that lack of the builds ability to get Protection which is key for fights like that. I found thieves to be just as annoying as they are on my Ranger, They’ll just C/D one of my moronic pets over and over again till full health. If they get in trouble they just teleport away (though without back up the thieves i fought were rather a joke)

4. Weapon Side i’m running Staff with Axe/Focus, I would like to try dagger/horn but Staff is so incredibly good I can’t see replacing it.

I’ll try filming some movies after I have more practice with it… Most of tonight was me getting zerged by badies who’d run from the 1v1’s then show up with 5 or more.

Hey man, I replied to you on the Ranger forum when you posted about trying a MM necro, I thought you weren’t doing it after all.

Happy to see you on this forum.

1. I also told you about the lack of mobility. Anet decided that we wouldn’t be a mobility class, yet they didn’t give much in exchange for the most important thing in WvW. Mobility is life in WvW, and with out it roaming is a pain. I use Flesh worm to roam, I can escape average player. But good player most of the time know where I ported, even if I bait them in another direction.

2. Don’t worry, Bas and Bawb tested it, and it’s not an issue. They said it only happen 10% of the time, and just like epidemic can be evaded, minion can just stop attacking. That’s balanced and not a bug.

Seriously tho, Each week I try a MM build because I would like to have it work. But the buggy pets are just too annoying. Losing all your utility because they love to watch the horizon. And no Bawb, before you post, auto attacking didn’t resolve my issue. Because we all know nobody tried to auto attack during a fight to debug our pet.

3. Another choice from Anet : Necro will have crazy HP and Death Shroud, so let’s give them low armor, no defence mecanism, few source of protection, no vigor, no mobility. We are like the other extreme of bunker DD Elem. And you know which one is the most efficient. High HP has no substained healing, so even if Anet say we are an attrition class, we aren’t. As the fight goes, we become weaker, as our healing can’t support our low armor and big HP. And thief CDing pet is a pain

4. I did run a MM build without staff, but yeah, staff is like vital for a necro. You can be kited to death, you lack one source of AoE Condition transfer, one source of AoE fear. I feel nacked without it.

Overall, necromancer is a good class, especially in sPvP. But in WvW it’s really hard, especially solo. In small group fight, you will get focused really hard.

MM necromancer are really not optimal for WvW, especially with the bugged (I mean non-bugged for Bas and Bawb) state of pet AI.

By the way Bas, he didn’t say Necro pet were like Ranger pet. He said necro pet were a lot worse.

“I didn’t think it was possible to get a dumber pet then a Rangers”

Come on come on!

Bump anet come on!

Do you consider Golem to be pvp?

I ran a MM build yesterday. Similar trait setup.

I had to reset my traits when my full army of minions were attacking a Mesmer clone while I was fighting the real one alone.

2 DD Elem

Acaro.4067:

Gotta use all the ways for lifeleeching there are, like using sigill of blood, omnomberry ghost and rune of vampire, the blood trait line alone isn´t enough.

I have the whole thing.

tho I something use regen food over omn ghost, both have a fairly similar regen.

I gotta admit, the one thing necromancer have them in 1 vs X, is our Elite.

If the ennemy isn’t too bursty, Lich is ownage. You can 3-4 shot some people, the #4 summon is awesome and the #3 is a nice knockback. I saw you used lich #2 into your video, do you always use it? I’m personally not sure the 8 vuln + AoE is worth it over the auto attack who it like a truck and has lower cast time.