Guild Wars 2

seriously? doesn’t berserker have already too much? oh, come on, that aoe taunt every 12 seconds is insane. with primal burst supposed to be weaker then normal burst (since you only need 10 adrenaline) but instead are 10x stronger.

Commander Kanen.6031:

Delete Dragonhunter.
Give Guardian a Spear, new Virtues skills and traits.
Call it Paragon.

No need. It’s obvious by artworks that Braham is going to be the first “longbow Guardian”. Paragon is for another time, another spec.

However Avenger seems a fitting name for Braham going to avenge Eir, hunting the dragons. No need to stress on the fact that he’s a dragon hunter, since we all are.

Avenger is perfectly fine.

After being a main Guardian for 3 years, Dragonhunter made me change to Revenant.

please no rng

maddoctor.2738:

Kidel.2057:

carefully thinking about it, it doesn’t really matter. If people start making multiple accounts for laurels for t6 mats and mystic coins, then the price will just drop, and if it does then they’ll stop doing it.

They just need a new gear system that doesn’t involve those mats.

That’s true IF the F2P accounts can indeed get login rewards in the first place. Wouldn’t it be very reasonable to not give login rewards to F2P accounts?

sure. but worst case scenario, not a big deal. maybe i’ve just wasted 800g for my legendary that after hot will cost way less.

http://metabattle.com/wiki/Build:Team_-_Overskill

carefully thinking about it, it doesn’t really matter. If people start making multiple accounts for laurels for t6 mats and mystic coins, then the price will just drop, and if it does then they’ll stop doing it.

They just need a new gear system that doesn’t involve those mats.

CETheLucid.3964:

Kidel.2057:

Betting 1g that this is their only countermesure: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/info/news/SMS-Restrictions-and-New-Accounts/first#post5424976

If they had such heavy (but reasonable) restrictions in the past for trial accounts, I don’t see why they’d go a step backwards if they are going to do a F2P/trial until you buy setup.

If they followed that format going forward for free accounts, that would be totally fine. That would be the reasonable thing in my mind.

You’re on. 1g says there’s more to it than just SMS restrictions.

Because advertising a free trial is different then advertising a free game.

Betting 1g that this is their only countermesure: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/info/news/SMS-Restrictions-and-New-Accounts/first#post5424976

Gaile Gray.6029:

Posted in New & Announcements, but repeated here to ensure that new players are aware of this news:

As ArenaNet President Mike O’Brien detailed in a recent announcement, ArenaNet is committed to protecting your game account.

Effective at 11:59 pm Pacific Time on August 28, 2015, all newly-created accounts will have SMS restrictions. These restrictions mean that you will not be able to use in-game mail to send items or gold, and you will be unable to access guild vaults. If you wish to eliminate these restrictions, simply add SMS or an authenticator to your account and the restrictions will be removed. Account created prior to August 28 will not experience these restrictions.

I hope your restrictions for F2P accounts are not only this. I’d make 10 verified email in 1 day and get 55 laurels each every 28 days, to make 550g. Imagine people with more time. It would destroy the economy.

Ice.5162:

How naive have you got to be to think that you’ll get full extents of the game available for free lol.

https://gyazo.com/956030b16be18545f4dcb6d00f8e6df4

relax.

Datamine from july 2014 with strings used in the september 2014 trial week. Trial and free core game are 2 different things

F2p made people forget this matter

Ragnarox.9601:

When ppl mention f2p it means couple of things: (ign mentioned core game for free)
- game is dying
- massive p2w incoming
- massive spam/gold sellers inc.
- game shop selling increased by restricting things you can earn in game
- …forgot about other things

Not really the case. Gw2 was like 5$ some months ago, so not a big change.

The problem with ftp and gw2 is game economy and laurels. A free account needs to be like 2014 trial account

Source for restrictions?

Wetpaw.3487:

Zypher.7609:

All you people that are screaming terror on the F2P core game need to do a little research. But wait this is the internet why would you try to google before whining.

From the data mined “Trial Account”
http://thatshaman.blogspot.com/2014/07/upcoming-features-from-entanglement.html

List from /u/Vahkris on reddit:
Only one or two character slots
Limit of level 15
Seems like a limit on how high a “rank” you can get (specific to trial or possibly PvP related)
Only able to send mail to friends.
Can’t send items or gold through mail
Can’t speak in map chat
Can’t access Team Arenas
Can’t access main WvW maps (EB and Borderlands)

This.

Even if those limitations have been adjusted this is not a bad thing. Letting future customers check out a three year old game for a limited time is just good marketing, especially timed well with their first expansion that includes the core GW2 game for free.

That data-mine is referring to this: https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/play-guild-wars-2-for-free-today/

Trial account is different from “free core game”, as IGN said.

Mo Mo.1947:

How is a raid not a dungeon? I’ve never understood the difference.

more people

Elitejelly.7462:

rip in pepperoni economy.

Not to thrilled about the f2p, although this might help the spvp side of things as far as growth. I already don’t pug dungeons because of people not knowing their stuff, but with free accounts there will probably be more trolls around. Make a free account and troll because there will be no consequence to their actions. With the way thing are now, you lose out on money when you get banned.

trolls are not a problem, you can just block them. problem are botters, but also regular players farming laurels.

1000 gems or 290g. Seriously, 290g for an outfit are not that much when some weapon skins are 500-3000g. Talking about skins, not legendaries.

There are more important things, like LAURELS.

it’s not a matter of vets. If the current system stays this way, what can prevent me (or anyone) from making 500 accounts and sell laurels?

Any free core game account has to be limited somehow. Like no interactions with the economy, lol.

Please note Welcome.GuildWars2.com/Play-For-Free
A dedicated subdomain.
I’m confident it will be a limited account, probably with no bank, guild, daily rewards and so on.

Daredevil is fine, don’t nitpick. At least it’s not “Devilhunter”.

skowcia.8257:

Kidel.2057:

Avador.8934:

Assassin’s annihilation looks like a really good trait. But, I am not sure if it’s worth it to replace Swift Termination.

It’s not. How often do you attack foes from behind compared to foes under 50% health? Swift Termination is a must if you want to prevail in 1vs1

Its also from sides, not just behind. Do you know how “sides” work in this game? You basically hitting up a guy in front of you and you still proc this trait.. Try it on ranger shortbow 1. From the position i am on ss i can apply bleeds. I proced anhi basically the whole time i was hitting someone in melee. I consider this trait to be much better than the one which boost your damage by 20% to targers under 50% hp. Rev needs a lot of healing due to poor #6 skills and that helps him a bit. Howered i think they should get rid of cd.

didn’t know. thanks.

Oh, come on, they’re not stupid. Of course there will be mail and tp limit on trial accounts. Or a time window at least.

However they do have the tech for trial accounts: https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/play-guild-wars-2-for-free-today/

How did they work? No mail and TP I bet.

Sure, free game. Let me do 200 account so i can get 1000g every 28 days from laurels.

Avador.8934:

Assassin’s annihilation looks like a really good trait. But, I am not sure if it’s worth it to replace Swift Termination.

It’s not. How often do you attack foes from behind compared to foes under 50% health? Swift Termination is a must if you want to prevail in 1vs1

Guardian and Avenger also have an act in their meaning. Dragonhunter is nothing.

How cool would it be if crowd at pax starts shouting “Avenger! Avenger!”

It’s not pointless.
Feedback as always is to help them make decisions they’re already considering. If they came up with ideas with Mallyx and our feedback is in the same direction, then things will go faster, like with weaponswap.

Everything you said is like 100% more effective with Demonic Defiance. Doesn’t it make it mandatory for Mallyx? No other legend has anything like that.

By the way, word from Roy: https://twitter.com/RoyCronacher/status/636956652864798722

As stated before, even if you have strong skills, Mallyx is basically selfkill with no resistance. You’re forced to spam Pain Absorb to stack resistance, getting tons of multiple stacks of conditions that give you no benefit and basically kill you when your short resistance is over.
There needs to be a tweak to pain absorb or a baseline resistance for all skills, otherwise Demonic Defiance is mandatory and so should be baseline.

ArchielDiem.7650:

I’m already calling it the Avenger for myself and among my friends,
but where did you read that it was initially going to be called that? Link?

I’m in your same boat. A guy said it in the DH feedback [merged] thread. Around page 45 if you care.

Since the vast majority of the community doesn’t like this name, and the initial name for this spec was supposed to be Avenger, why don’t we boycott “Dragonhunter” and just call it “Avenger” between us?

I’m pretty sure that if the whole community uses a different name for the spec, we’ll get their attention. And if not, we still are picking the better name.

We can change reality together.

Change the name to Avenger. /thread.

I’m glad the discussion is still going. My motif for this question is that currently no Legend forces to pick a specific trait line (or spec).

Demonic Defiance is currently mandatory in any Mallyx build.

While doing fractals or wvw I can swap a legend to get a skill or a benefit, I can just swap legend, not traits, and get full advantage from it, as you would do with an utility skill.

Mallyx atm is the only exception. You can’t use it without Demonic Defiance an resistance on every skill.

Nah, it’s just a question, thanks for your answer.
Could you provide a good DH build also with more and reliable damage modifiers then a normal dps Guardian?

I think everything you said is right, but maybe not considering what you’re giving up. DH is not a 4th traitline to equip.

Can we get a petition for Avenger?

DH has really no place on Guardian. Doesn’t have more condi, or damage or group support. Virtues are worse and longbow and traps have no sinergy. Also I don’t see a great improvement from scepter to longbow.

Even the name sucks, but that’s another thread.

A reset before the last beta is even less likely to occurr, since they want you to give feedback about mastery progression.

So now is the only chance.

So, now that we have a third post about DH changes, what’s the reason to pick this spec?

Condi? Nope, no more burning on bow and bleeding on traps.
Group support? Less then Guardian, since we don’t even have stability on GM trait anymore and DH is supposed to be more “selfish”.
Damage? I don’t think so.
Class Mechanic? See damage.

So a whole spec for traps and a longbow that is not even a great improvement from the usual scepter+offhand. And they don’t even have good sinergy, traps are melee and longbow is ranged.

This is not a QQ post however. I’m curious to see what’s the reasoning behind DH, why should I pick it over Guardian except “fun”.

So sell me DH please.

Of course it is. That’s why we put runes and gear in the bank, so we can try new combinations and test things. How can you give feedback on a class if a normally possible great build is not possible to be replicated in the beta?

With 3 more specs to test and 2 more in bw3, how are we supposed to give feedback with so few options?

Stinja.9612:

Cant Cancel Facets

:(

Yes you can
In many ways
;)

But they can already burst and do condi.

Just a word on the matter would be great, even if just “we can’t do it”, so I can at least free space in my bank.

Name it Avenger and see how people stop complaining.

First beta was 1 class and 4 specs. Druid and Forge beta will be just for them, with most of the classes already tested enough.
Aso it’s not like things are set in stone. Even if Druid and Forge are not perfect they can still fix things once HoT is out. Pretty sure they’ll end up better then DH anyway.

CandyHearts.6025:

I really hope we can get a response for this otherwise stuff I’m acquiring just for testing will be pointless. ;_;

Agreed. There are already multiple threads on the matter, but no reply

lighter.2708:

i’m pretty sure if the skill get evade, it stops
i bet that will be the same

last beta it didn’t.

Testing this will be the first thing I do in the beta.

Somebody has to be last.
Druid and Forge were the first revealed specs (from the first trailer), so the collateral effect is inferior.

They’ll be in BW3.