Using Mallyx’s Elite and during the cast time swapping to another legend lets u keep being into the elite form while draining your energy,swaping back to mallyx resets ur energy so u got another 50 energy to spend on Mallyx elite.the form ends when u swap out a legend one more time( dont know if intented or not).
Same happens to rotating hammers. Except they stop draining energy
Hammer
Overall the damage increase made this weapon viable. It’s very fun. However #2 and #3 have a lot of bugs, and #3 really needs an invulnerability frame or an increased speed.
Sword
My favourite weapon for Revenant. Pretty good in any combination with many builds.
However #2 (I know it has been addressed) is kinda useless, and all the skills do less damage then AA and consume a lot of energy. Overall energy seems too low on Revenant, many skills should have a reduced cost, as I said, not only legend skills, but also weaponskills.
Being able to use Duelist’s Preparation while moving is great. Also #3 needs invulnerability frame or some way to cancel. If used on VB monster sometimes it’s just death you can’t avoid. The fact that it’s bugged close to walls is a lifesaver.
EDIT: second attack in the autoattack chain has issues on moving targets.
Mace
As mentioned above, this weapon could benefit a lot from 600 range on AA. Just for some variety, since we already have 2 more (already great) melee weapons.
Ratings
PvE: 7/10
Shiro is strong and fun to play, only his healing skill should be buffed (total heal is good, but icd has no purpose when the skill already has a cd AND an energy cost).
The other legends atm are just a support for the main one, and I think this needs to be addressed, expecially with Jalis being mandatory in basically every build.
Weaponswap helps a lot, being S/S+Staff for extra utility or S/S+Hammer for range swap.
WvW: 6-/10
Ventari seems a decent ranged support, but nothing great. Shiro is not really viable in melee range because of low survivability, so his main use is with Hammer, that is not terrible, but not even good. Mallyx+Jalis is probably the best WvW combination so far, but I’ve already addressed the problems of those 2 legends.
Revenant seems a good ranged support class in WvW. Nice damage and support.
More survivability to go frontline won’t hurt, expecially with Verdant Brink existing in PvE.
PvP: 7-/10
Weaponswap has been a game changer here, as well as Shiro. Still not sure about Mallyx. I’m not a great pvp lover, just rank 36, pretty sure you’ll get better feedback from others on this.
Fun: 10/10
Can’t lie here. Revenant is fun to play and to watch.
They just need to get rid of the icd of the daggers.
In pve for sure. Theres one problem tho. Interval was made so that you cant deal too much damage at once.
Yeah sure damage would be a problem if Revenant was in the top 3 classes on DPS but DPS wise it’s in the bottom end of the foodchain, even lower than necro, burst damage wise not so much… but again Thief, Ranger, Mesmer and Reapershroud have more burst potential than Revenant, if we count Rampage as Burst potential Warrior and Engi are better than Revenant too so no point in having a delay because it “would be too much damage at once” also the initial heal is mediocre at best, if the deleay stays then make the base heal at least double the ammount it is now.
This. Plus we have energy cost AND cooldown on skill, so it’s not a big deal if it has no icd.
Rune of Rage + Healing skill is 100% Fury uptime pretty easy, plus another 5% multiplier. That’s pretty good on Revenant since you also get +10% crit chance on Fury from trait.
I agree on everything except Hammer #3 as teleport. I don’t really need it on a ranged weapon. However atm it’s just a bugged and inferior version of Hammer #5.
PD: Shiro’s heal is perfect as it is, it only needs the siphon cd removed and you have a really strong heal
The olny heal ingame that require you to keep hititng in order to heal…Its the worst possible one and nothing is fine about this ability. These daggers goes to waste and i dont heal for a jack when im trying to run away. These daggers also dissappear if you get downed.
Revenant is also weak in 1v1 unless we run condi and even then..power builds can kill you.
They just need to get rid of the icd of the daggers.
It’s not squishy, but not even tanky. Survivability in pve relies more on Shiro then Jalis.
I’d love to like Jalis, but the only useful thing in that legend atm are the healing skill and the stability road (that is not impressive btw). Hammers are bugged as hell, chain is 50 ENERGY and elite is slow as hell.
As we all supposed from the last Revenant POI, Shiro and weapons were going to be great, old legends still carry the same problems we already addressed.
This thread makes no sense. It’s a beta. Bugs are supposed to be here so they get reported and there are no bugs in the final version.
It’s not a demo, it’s a beta.
Since they probably want Jalis to feel slow, I may have another suggestion. Leave the cast time as it is, but add 5s Protection on cast with icd or 10% damage reduction for the duration.
Oh let me add yet another amazing thing about Revs. Infinite swiftness out of combat. Pop Impossible Odds wait until right before you run out of energy and then switch Legends immediately switch back to Shiro at 50 energy and pop IO again. Your welcome.
Yeah, I already asked that in another thread and Roy said it won’t be possible in the next BW. You’re welcome xD
Roy said on Twitter he has plans for Sword #2, so it was already addressed internally before this BW. I’m also pretty confident that many of the bugs are already fixed in the build they’re working on.
Again, we may think that they do stuff based on our feedback, but we really only help them taking decisions quickly. They already have an internal test team (and a big schedule, thet’s why refinements may seem slow to us).
Shiro heal is already higher then 6300 (1500+800*6) on full zerk with no food, the problem is the icd of the blades. It’s a really good heal on paper, but most of the time I end up not using many of the shards in time, since mobs die and they time out.
The feedback in this thread is great. I agree with SolarDragon that having two healing abilities feels like a disadvantage rather than an advantage because the Shiro heal in particular is so weak.
This problem doesn’t come from double heal (Jalis heal is great, imagine 2 of them), but from Shiro’s heal, and this has been addressed in multiple reviews and feedback.
As you can see from the screen this is not a beta character (guild icon). I got this ??? item from a reward chest (the ones that pop over the mini-map).
Am I supposed to keep it or it’s a bug so I should delete it?
Instead of listing good and bad Im gonna list what i think the main issue with the whole class mechanic is. On all other classes we pick our heal utlities and elite. Now a large portion of those heals utlities and elites never get touched for a reason they aren’t that good compared to the others. On rev we have only one choice for heals utlities and elite whatever the legend has. We get to pick 2 yes but were always forced into these really sub par heals utilities and elites that we cant change.
in other classes you pick your skills, on revenant you pick your legends, trading the lower customization with a higher number of skills.
That’s the whole point of the revenant.
If it has customizable skills for each legend what’s the point of choosing 2 legends at all? And what’s the point of having 2 sets of skills if you can customize them choosing only the useful ones?
You’re asking for something that is already in the game. It’s called warrior or thief.
I’m not a fan of energy cost for weapons, but I think is there to avoid sitting to regain energy when it’s over, giving 1 more reason to legendswap often.
Jalis taunt needs its cost halved, AT LEAST. I’m never using that.
Ty for a tip, i will use ventari instead for barrier. See? Problem solved. Adaptation. No reason to use hammer anymore.
See? Already 2 different strategies to achieve a similar result (however I still prefer my solution :P no way I’m staying full melee or full ranged in verdant brink. Fight a group of smokescales alone, then we can talk, pvp players are a kitten)
I suggest you give a shot to verdant brink, some inside areas (early mobs are easy, just a lot of hp). The extra projectile barrier from hammer and kiting sometimes is very useful, even on zerk-melee sets. I’m enjoying being able to weaponswap so far there. Also the wyvern asks for some melee and some ranged phases, so ws is pretty much mandatory if you don’t want to just wait, raising the event difficulty for everyone. Same for the event across the bridge, where you have to protect a point and attack enemies across the gorge.
As I said weeks before, ws is pretty much qol and being able to do stuff without just waiting. You don’t get increased damage, just increased utility and range swap. It won’t hurt revenant numbers.
Even in Wvw, I usually go hammer+staff, using staff for extra heals and stuff like that. It’s not that viable yet, but I also tried S/S+Hammer, and it’s fun at least.
If you read my previous post more carefully you’ll notice I already said that Shiro has no burst heal and Ventari has selfless heal. Ventari’s low self-heal is on purpose.
That’s the only combination with low heals however. Again, Jalis+Mallyx is 7000+ and Shiro+Jalis is 1200+ (with over 6k burst heal) over 6 seconds.
Double heal is good if you pick the right skills. Of course Shiro+Ventari is a bad combination (they make no sense together).
of course they “listen” to the community, they have to. But they don’t take orders from us. And I’m not making things up or supposing this. Roy said what I wrote in the previous post in POI#26 and Colin confirmed it Saturday. They use feedback to help them decide and test, but THEY make class balance, style and mechanics (thank god).
You should better get used to WS. Again, it’s not hurting you, but it would hurt many players removing it now. People are very happy with weaponswap atm. The fact that the vast majority asked for it is enough to convince them to let it as it is now. But that won’t be the reason, they were testing it internally and they already knew it was required for the current design.
Again, I’m very pleased with revenant mechanic at the moment. It just needs some tweaking on potency and energy cost, maybe some boons on jalis and bug fix.
Well i am always up for removing wep swap, most of the time i been play with 1 weapon set at a time as swapping to hammer on a point is asking for a trouble in many cases. Theres no way i will ever swap to hammer for certain classes which goes against the idea of wep swap to begin with.
I don’t see ws being so useful in pvp (I think you’re talking about that) except maybe some utility with staff, even ooc. For pve and WvW weaponswap is a game changer. I can’t think of revenant without it being as effective and enjoyable.
I understand your point of view since you’re mainly a pvp player, but there is not only pvp.
If one class came out that didn’t have endurence but something else entirely and then the community QQd because it was too different than what they were used to and they couldn’t possibly learn to use something new, I’d say the same.
Are you implying that ws was added (only) because we asked for it? Because that’s a lie. It was developed before the previous beta, feedback just helped them.
Many suggestion were submitted for revenant and NONE of them has been taken into account except weaponswap ant the lack of damage, so they don’t take orders from the community, they use us to help decide what they are already discussing.
When they anounced that revenent will have accsess to two heals I kinda though “Oh wow that’s a nice thing to stregh on revenent” but when I look at the heals you can use both and endup with almost the same result as other classes get in one heal.
With jalis+shiro you can heal for 1200 total, remove 3 conditions and gain attack bonus and retaliation. That’a about 80% of your health.
With jalis+mallyx you can heal 7000, +800 extra heal for each condition, gain retaliation and remove 3 conditions. With 3 condis that’s around 9400.
No class can do that with 1 heal. Most heals are around 4000, so pretty much on pair with all Revenant heals.
And you can also gain Fury and Resistance with traits.
All numbers on Berserker gear, no celestial stuff, not even gems.
Shiro’s and Ventari’s are a bit underwhelming, that’s true. Shiro’s is over 6 seconds with 1s cd between hits, and Ventari has slow heals supposed to be for group, not yourself.
Energy on weapon skills it’s not the most terrible thing I think you have to manage your energy and that’s somehow intressting but since the utilitys are SOO super expensive you will just endup using nearly none of them or spamming AA use some of them. I also find it strange that you can’t use them all even if you collected 100% energy.
the class is still original and legend swap is still the class mechanic.
or are you saying that reaper and guardian are the same because they both have weaponswap and dodge? lol
so they should just ignore all the people happy with the variety weaponswap brings just because you are not using that variety on your playstyle? it’s not like you’re damaged from ws anyway, lol.
And you know, you could use swords+staff and achieve the same results in terms of utility, but doing more damage on AA (WAY MORE) for free. Sword is simply the best weapon when low on energy. Any set thinked without weaponswap in mind just gets benefits from swapping to sword (as any full melee set swapping to staff for heal/cleanse).
I don’t know what’s their reason to add cd to ws (on any class really). Whatever the reason I’m sure it’s the same for revenant. Engineer has no cd on ws but needs an utility slot (ok, still gets toolbelt skill, but well, there is a little bit of trade). Ele is a proof since has cd on attunement swap, but no cd on conjured weapons (2 of them summoned with 1 skill to make up for the limited skill use).
I think the best comparison for revenant is not engi, but something in between warrior and thief. 2 Legends are a trade for no customizable skill set, and energy is a trade for having 10 (supposedly good) skills instead of 5. Weaponswap is the same as warrior, and on both classes damage built over fight is greater then on the beginning (while thief has burst at the beginning and lower sustained).
I think that the current mechanic is balanced, while there should be some work on some skills and numbers.
I’m not welcoming cd on legendswap ooc to be honest. I like the current system A LOT.
In Verdant Brink, when I use Hammer 3 I’m often asked to “deploy glider [space]”. Also attack doesn’t work if there is kitten on the path between me and the enemy (even if circle is green and skill is done, no hit on enemy)
Because longbow was introduced on Guardian to add a better ranged option.
However I was mainly referring to virtues. Scepter and old virtues, or even longbow and old virtues, would have been better. And, again, he didn’t use any trap.
A win only shows that guardian is fundamentally a good class at the core, not that dh is a good addition to guardian. Virtues are inferior and traps are hardly going to be used if they keep them like that.
They don’t fit in any spec. Their effect is inferior to most of our skills (lol, cripple and bleeding).
The only trap I was looking forward was the vulnerability one and got ninja nerfed.
Not to mention uou also give up awesome traits and awesome virtues.
DH has no place atm.
Already 2 different strategies to achieve a similar result (however I still prefer my solution :P no way I’m staying full melee or full ranged in verdant brink. Fight a group of smokescales alone, then we can talk, pvp players are a kitten)