Guild Wars 2

thats what happens when they remove all of the 8v8 servers and add a cap to progress in hotjoin.

this is one more reason why you should give back our 8v8.
currently it is impossible to get a match, ALL of your 5v5 servers are full.

honestly whos bright idea was it to utterly remove 8v8?

there is no reasoning behind it,
you’ve removed the favourite part of the game for some of us.

give us our 8v8 back so we can actually get a match.
atleast 4-5 servers. 5v5 doesn’t need to go anywhere, but give us back 8v8.

i still prefer the good ole Force+Accuracy

Neko.9021:

I’m glad that ANet is gently trying to push hotjoins into 5v5s.

deleting 8v8 is not a gentle push, its “we don’t care if you like it, play this instead.”

as for the chaotic experience i agree, sometimes 8v8 gets like that, but noone is forcing people to play 8v8, before now we got a choice,
people who want small organised matches could 5v5 and people who wanted larger chaotic matches could play 8v8,
now there is no choice unless people pay money for custom servers.

why could they not leave some 8v8 servers?

you can use skill points to purchase the traits, so hopefully you have some scrolls lying around,
the bigger issue is that they forgot to add lv1 shoulder armour to the vendor so you need to be atleast lv 15 to have shoulder armour.

i’ve not played on npc maps yet but i think thats a good change,
they’re objectives that should require a team effort,
not one person porting around the map killing them in a couple of seconds.
it should take afew people to storm the base and kill the lord, not one thief.

why was 8v8 removed?!
the 8v8 servers were always full,
it takes far too long to find a game that isn’t either empty or full in 5v5.
(and please don’t suggest the ridiculous “play now” button)

“One step forwards, two steps back” is this becoming the official Anet motto?

it was PERFECT when we had 5v5 servers and 8v8 servers,

i understand that not everyone likes 8v8,
but why does that warrant removing all of the servers for the rest of us?!

some of us don’t enjoy tournaments of meta clones who’ll scream and shout if the enemy caps a point,
some of us just want a bustling casual game, and to easily switch servers if the game becomes unfun (or the map rotation gets back to skyhammer),
some of us just got screwed over…

please rethink this removal anet.

totally agree with the hotjoin parts.

“GW2 PLAY YOUR OWN WAY”
but we’ll remove your favourite mode and put a cap on how much you can play your own way.

ridiculous changes, why do anet always do this?
everytime they do something good they have to do something ridiculously moronic.

we need 8v8 back,
it takes a ridiculous amount of time finding a 5v5 server that isn’t either full or empty.
and yeah, don’t even start with the “play now” button…

why the hell was 8v8 removed anyway?
the servers were always full.
do anet think before they randomly do crap like this out of nowhere?

meanwhile they’re making changes that noone wants, like removing capricorn and 8v8
yet this map that we all despise is still here.

shark>wolf>tiger>dragon
everything >phoenix.

WHAT? they removed 8v8? O_O
why the hell…
thats just stupid, the 8v8 servers were always full.

oh wait its anet, “one step forwards, two steps back” is kinda there corporate motto.

Pyriall.1683:

How much gold do you think you earn in pvp?

loads! remember we get a couple of mobs worth of loot for afew hours of work!

the damage is way too high, its a CC weapon with its traits in a bunker tree.
it shouldn’t be doing 5k crits.
the damage needs atleast halving.
people should use hammer because they want to sacrifice their damage so they can get CC.

i do feel they’ve made it too attainable now,
granted the previous requirement was ridiculous, years upon years of hardcore play.
but i only do hotjoin for afew hours once every few days and i’m rank 43 (pre patch), the new 80 seems a little too low,
in a years time everyone will have rank 80 and it will just be the default that when someone stomps you you’ll expect to see dragon finisher.
it’ll be refreshing when you see a none dragon rank.

azuzephyr.7280:

I’m going to drink every time;

I hear Anyone saying 8% less Healing Signet feels right

an 8% nerf to one of the 3 warrior passive heals will obviously balance hambow!
it feels so right!

guardians could be on the radar, 50% higher burning damage is pretty amazing.
but then again guardians don’t have passive healing that outheals none glass cannon classes.

dat 8k health pool, too OP!
nerf ele, buff warrior, warrior hard.

p/p regenerating thief,
crit immune conjure ele,
condi(ish) guard (burning + retaliation)
Phalanx Strength+Forceful Greatsword warrior.
Confusion Thief?

i’m not gonna try powerblock mesmer but i expect them to be in the mix of builds that people are trying.

as the title says,
when trying to play as ranger there are just too many traits that seem like they should be combined.
Longbow for example: (these are all from the Marksmanship tree)
Eagle Eye : Increases longbow range. Longbow damage is increased (5%).
Piercing Arrows: All arrow attacks pierce targets.
(april 15th) Read the winds: Your arrows move twice as fast.
and also in the tree is Steady Focus: Damage is increased when endurance is full. (10%)
which is pretty much always going to be something you pick.
and Spotter: Increases precision of nearby allies. which is demanded by most groups in pve/wvw.

so why can we not condense some of these down?
also why do we need to trait for piercing arrows atall?
why can our arrows not pierce by default like an engineer with a rifle?

you could even go so far as to suggest that Eagle Eye, Read the Wind and Piercing Arrows should all be combined into a single grand master trait.

Expert’s Dexterity:
Range Increase 300
Damage Increase 5%
Your arrows pierce and move twice as fast.

before anyone says that it would be too powerful, compare it to engineers “grenadier” trait which effectively increases their damage by 33% and increases range by 300.

and ask if it would be fair to force the engi to trait for one extra grenade and a range increase as 2 separate traits.

and you don’t have a problem with pets following your enemy 2000 across the map damaging them without any need for input from you and also reattacking them the moment they come out of stealth?

if stealth caused pets to reset then yes CnD might be an issue, but until then i feel that there are more problems with the unshakable pets than 2 seconds of stealth.

power ranger
condi ele
rifle warrior
condi guardian
turrets engi

on both teamz

the patch does look pretty good and overall i’m happy with it,

i’m just hoping that the tiny list of balance changes that they’ve given us is just a preview.
for the past 4 months we’ve been told to wait for the magical feature patch to balance the game, and so far the balance changes in the patch seem very underwhelming.

strongest to weakest imho:
warrior
engi
thief
necro
mesmer
guardian
ranger
ele

cultural armour was best when you could work around and put it on any other race but they’d be naked XD (literally naked! no underwear!)

GW1, i kept one char slot for pvp only chars, i’d constantly play, delete and switch.
one time i was playing my main and i decided to switch to my pvp char and i automatically deleted my main. ><
_(my main was a ridiculously well geared pve dervish with a maxed out bonecage scythe, vabbi gear, completion of all campaigns, skills unlocked etc.)

luckily i’ve not done anything like that on gw2 yet
edit: oh i did spend 1200g on the Greatsaw skin before realizing that i hardly ever use greatswords! XD

they could just be doing it for the daily caps,
though i get what you mean, imho the scoreboard system needs to change,
it falsely leads people in to thinking that they’re doing something positive by mindlessly zerging around.

i find most rank 1-20s are almost always hambows,
so if you are one of those clones and your build killed someone while you watched,
then yes you’re a noob.
but if you’re not using a meta clone build then the person was just sore about losing.

sometimes you can kill people as ele and they’ll still call you a noob, even if they’re playing PWthief or hambow.

mystic coffers are pretty good for getting the “super crits” like gargoyle scythe, magma’s arm and lava axe, but after that you’re probably just better focusing on getting screens that are hard to get in pve (like if you won’t play whisperer/priory story you could get those, or dungeon sets)

for pve dungeons i understand that it is all zerker eles,
but i agree with you that currently warriors just have everything else.
especially on the pvp scene, and unfortunately anet don’t seem to want to balance them (warrior has been like this for 6 months now)

i think balance should be based around the small scale 5v5.
do i think absolute balance is possible? no.
do i think pretty decent balance is possible? OFCOURSE!

for me balance should be based on multiple factors:

the risk Vs reward factor,
example of good balance:
a glass cannon ele will deal huge damage but sacrifice survival.
example of bad balance:
a hambow warrior will deal large damage while having semi-bunker survival.

the skill needed to dominate (i don’t mean compete, i mean really dominate)
example of good balance:
a s/d ele or shatter mesmer, both are ok, but can become amazing with practice.
example of bad balance:
a hambow warrior relying on damage immunities and massive passive health regen combined with CC skills that deal overtly large damage.

Aenaos.8160:

Hotjoin should have a max lvl cap,be it 20 or 30.
No one should be allowed to advance to higher ranks via hotjoin.
Same should be for yolo Q.Up to 50 or 60 rank.
To reach rank 80 you should only be able to do that by joining the
team tournaments.
The fact that players can achieve max lvl via the joke that is hotjoin,
tells you everything you need to know about the present and the near
future of PvP.
Anet can do more to protect PvP without making the game
unfriendly to the casual player base.
You’d still be able to access all pvp modes at any level,you’d still get loot
from hotjoins even when at the max lvl cap for that mode,but you
would not be able to farm your way to max lvl,and kitten in the face of
the few remaining players in the more challenging modes.

thats ridiculous! i’ve pretty much hotjoined my way to 43, i’ve probably played 15 tournament games at the most.
i play fun none meta builds and hotjoin has been great for that.
its only with this recent meta that hotjoin has become an unplayable cesspool of meta filth, before now there was always a meta, but it was atleast fun

also if you’ve got spare pvp mats and tokens, now is the time to use them,
they vanish on the 15th.

also its not based on your current rank, it’s based on your rank on patch day (when higher ranks require alot less points) so if you’re 40 now you could end up with 50 charges
(though i haven’t bothered doing the math, thats just an example)

nicknamenick.2437:

And how many nerfs for hammer? I lost counting on this weapon… too many!

and yet after the patch hambow will remain as ridiculous as it is now.
whenever i play hammer war i roam around 3 shotting eles.
it is ridiculous, it needs atleast 50% damage reduction across the board.

when it comes to warrior nerfs i have no remorse, 6 months of hambow is enough…
such a low risk/high reward build that is so incredibly easy to play, it should have been nerfed months ago.

agreed, that button needs to go!

i’m really looking forward to trying a crit immune conjure ele :P

nemka.1803:

1. you never played a warrior.
2. the regen is only good until someone puts poison on you(which is more then fair since it reduces the regain/healing by 33%, thats a really hard counter).
3. the moment you have poison on you you can get burned down.

1. i play different war specs alot, i play adrenal healing+hammer only when i want to prove a point about how OP they are, and in those circumstances unless they’re a glass cannon or can perma poison, you can pretty much stand there and dance for awhile before killing them with afew hits (i usually crit for 4-6k)

2+3. warrior can get 10 seconds of condition immunity every 60 seconds (16% of the time) + they can remove conditions every 7 seconds.
plus signet of stamina, full condi clear, current lyssa runes, full condi clear.
plus not all classes have poison, what should an ele, mesmer or guardian do?
plus if you do start getting nuked you can pop 6 second damage immunity too,
every 60 seconds.

yes i’ll hand it to you, a really good player can beat a hambow clone,
but in the hands of “regular joe” against other “mere mortals” the build is just ridiculous,
it tanks, it ccs and it deals huge damage. all with absolutely no effort involved.
it should have been balanced long ago but its still here after 6 months.
imho the moment a hambow joins a match, the fun is ruined.

what would be an even greater paradox (well not really a paradox) would be if retaliation returned retaliation damage!
2 guardians… both with retaliation, one hits the other, both instantly take infinite damage, server crashes from the infinite flood of numbers in a single instance. :P

my pvp power necro uses 20 points in blood, i find the life steals to be an amazing addition to your damage, plus when you have Locust Swarm, 2 Wells and dagger auto attacks all hitting you can actually see a decent bit of sustain!
its one of my favourite pvp builds because it can hit really hard and still take alot of punishment
heres what i use: http://intothemists.com/calc/?build=;04-0;1kHVB0G4sJVJ0;9;5J-JT;147;247-51B5J;4sV2DsV2D5Bd (i used to use ground targeted wells as my 20 point trait in curses, but since dagger is the go-to weapon for power necro i was just clicking the floor beneath me anyway, so i tried switching to the warhorn buffing trait and longer uptime Locust Swarms have proven to be irreplaceable imho)

JinDaVikk.7291:

We cant say exactly what will happen post patch, they may get stronger due to on swap sigil changes or weaker from nerfs given.

Wait till after patch.

we’ve waited long enough, hambow needs to go.
i don’t know if anet pay you but how you can advise someone to “wait” after 6 months of a ridiculously low skill/high reward build is beyond me.

Rubik.7192:

Wait 7 days……

for what? an 8% nerf to 1 of their 3 healing sources and a 20% decrease to the damage of one of their skills? yeah that’ll fix them…

6 months of these clones. I’VE HAD ENOUGH
pvp is unbearable right now.
in any decent mmo this crap would have been nerfed within weeks,
how the hell have we gone over half a year of this kitten?
honestly i’m through… fix your game anet….
your 6 month vacation is over, DO SOMETHING.

but lets face it, you’ll just delete this thread and never balance your game.
go ahead, give me an infraction for speaking the truth.

they need a report feature like WoWs which lets you report and if enough of the team report then the player gets a warning that they need to participate, if they don’t participate they get kicked+dishonourable debuff.

the better way would be to not warn the person that they’ve been flagged afk so participating players will have it removed anyway without knowing,
otherwise an afk could simply walk over, decap a point and then afk again.

Rickster.8752:

Liewec.2896:

Sensotix.4106:

Liewec.2896:

no counter play? how about you deal 2k damage?
thats what? a few auto attacks? or 1-2 hits from your flesh golem?

somehow can’t manage to deal 2k damage? (in some crazy alternate universe)
just slot lightning sigil, 3 second cooldown, around 1500 damage.

honestly 10% of an eles health is nothing.
i don’t like the trait because i feel it is too weak
the moment someone looks at an ele that ele loses 10% of their hp.

try that as a necro (and please dont come with “slot a lightning sigil on one of the weapons”)

why? condi necros spec far in the tree that grants them crit chance,
the sigil will pretty much proc every 3 seconds taking the ele down 10%.

if diamond skin was really the problem that people in this thread make it out to be then you wouldn’t be against a sigil that counters them.

i for one know that if there was a sigil that instantly counters hambows i’d slot it without question.

so diamond skin can’t really be that much of an issue if you aren’t willing to sacrifice a sigil slot to counter them.

Why? Because the sigils scale with power and a condition necro does not have power. Therefore the sigil will do pathetic damage which won’t even work in the scenario you want it to work.

So that is the answer. It doesn’t counter diamond skin or berzerkser stance.

ah you’re right, just tested and it hits for about 500-600 with a condi spec,
though fleshgolem still hits between 600 and 1200 (different skills?) every second.
so i still don’t see how dealing 2k damage is an issue

i don’t want healing signet nerfed more, they should now look at dogged march and adrenal healing, it is the combo of 3 passive heals that makes the meta builds OP.

i use a glass cannon war who has healing signet and its not fair that my survival gets nerfed because of the meta clones with adrenal healing, dogged march and healing sig.

also dhuumfire was changed to make it less “dumb fire” that requires nothing except spamming 1 to apply every damaging condition (high bleed stacks, burning and perma poison).

with the new version you will still be able to do some pretty awesome spikes with deathshroud 1+3 (burning and fear/terror) but now you will atleast need to click other buttons.

this would be great, sure every class can get stability but thats not good enough, for most classes it will be something like 8 seconds of stability on a 1 min CD, for the rest of the time are you expected to be a ragdoll?
diminishing returns are a MUST

my only wish for the conjures would be an option to only summon one weapon instead of 2 (one in hand, one on the ground) but with double the charges and duration.

it sucks having to track back to where you summoned your weapon to pick up the other one! (when you’re solo or noone else wants the weapon)

Sensotix.4106:

Liewec.2896:

no counter play? how about you deal 2k damage?
thats what? a few auto attacks? or 1-2 hits from your flesh golem?

somehow can’t manage to deal 2k damage? (in some crazy alternate universe)
just slot lightning sigil, 3 second cooldown, around 1500 damage.

honestly 10% of an eles health is nothing.
i don’t like the trait because i feel it is too weak
the moment someone looks at an ele that ele loses 10% of their hp.

try that as a necro (and please dont come with “slot a lightning sigil on one of the weapons”)

why? condi necros spec far in the tree that grants them crit chance,
the sigil will pretty much proc every 3 seconds taking the ele down 10%.

if diamond skin was really the problem that people in this thread make it out to be then you wouldn’t be against a sigil that counters them.

i for one know that if there was a sigil that instantly counters hambows i’d slot it without question.

so diamond skin can’t really be that much of an issue if you aren’t willing to sacrifice a sigil slot to counter them.

Serdoc.7261:

I say let the casual PvE flood begin on April 15th, sounds like fun to me

PvEers coming in will be like lambs to the slaughter for pvpers,
and so they will all turn to the easiest builds they can find.
thus we will end up with a flood of hambows leading us in to an even more toxic meta.

but i agree it could be fun for the first day or two while variety lasts,
before they realize they can just play a warrior and roll their face across the keyboard.