Guild Wars 2

@Ozzi I don’t see how food will help much on applying constant burning while covering with other conditions. Once the burn is cleared and the ele is no longer in fire attunement the next option is through utilities and runes. No matter how much i love my condition ele i would not waste more than 1 utility spot to apply conditions. Condition duration only helps a bit and as a sacrifice of other much more valuable stats. Ele lacks within this condition coverage area. Perplexity amplifies this weakness and without it condition eles aren’t as great in wvw roaming. I have tested this theory and the difference is huge without perpl runes.

@Atoss Most of what you listed would never be considered “cheese” and if someone uses the term with those cases he/she simply don’t know the meaning behind it. On previous mmorpg I have played the word cheese simply means to exploit an imbalance in the game. However, in guild wars 2 it goes a bit beyond that. Cheese builds/runes are defined more like very easy to play but yet very powerful. Of course this is always done on purpose by the developers in order for newer players to stand a chance against more experienced, skillful players.

Dolores.5471:

LightningBlaze.4913:

It is thanks to this rune a condition based Ele is so good in WvW. Without it the Ele would be very mediocre as a condition spec.. Like Armageddon stated there are no other rune close as great as this one for this playstyle. Some players do get mad when their opponent is utilitizing an easier and yet more rewarding playstyle to win.

Disagree, condition based ele is good because of our burning, that is what the build revolves around. We do lack cover conditions and that’s why most of us take perplexity, but confusion is in no way our main damage source, in fact, it’s in such a big cooldown now that most players will either have a cleanse ready every time you interrupt them or simply avoid skill usage while under the effect. If you ask me why I pick perplexity over the other runes I would say it is because the effect is not married to my healing or elite skills like tormenting and krait are, also, it is an active counter to the “burst then think” playstiles, I guess that is the main reason they call it cheese.

I’m sorry but no average condition Ele will spend the entire battle in fire attunenment or waste a utility or 2 to keep applying burning. Like you said we lack cover conditions and that is why perpl is crucial for this playstyle. Without it you won’t be defeating any decent opponent because bleed and burning aren’t as intimating as confusion coming from the Ele.

It is thanks to this rune a condition based Ele is so good in WvW. Without it the Ele would be very mediocre as a condition spec.. Like Armageddon stated there are no other rune close as great as this one for this playstyle. Some players do get mad when their opponent is utilitizing an easier and yet more rewarding playstyle to win.

That rune is still broken and it is considered to be cheese even as an condition Ele due to its simplicity with high reward value

johnpoc.8732:

Asura named Chuleta

That sounds very grasoso

silvermember.8941:

LightningBlaze.4913:

Swim.6830:

LightningBlaze.4913:

This sort of thread again. I’m amazed how many new players(or players that have not spent enough time playing this profession to master it) fail to realize the various defensive methods the Ele possesses to avoid, counter and recover from damage easily. This have been discussed extensively on previous threads already.

If you aren’t making any arguments, don’t bother posting accusations left and right.

And really? Necros have far less control skills?? You limit the meaning of control. Control is controlling the fight, which Necros can easily do with things like chain fear, boon conversion, condition unloading etc. I am not saying Necros are in a better state, but don’t say things which are obviously false.

I never bother to argue with players that dont know what the Ele profession truly is capable. Specially, when it comes to this topic that has been debated several times and proven wrong.

If you truly feel that way, you could post something to disprove his claims. And for some reason you don’t feel like doing it, you could have simply not said anything at all. We don’t care if you are debated this topic for years, if you don’t want to debate it any further just move along, we don’t need to know how much better you think you are than everyone else.

The reason why I posted on this thread is because these negative topics discourage newcomers from improving with the profession. Some false statements made here are stated as if they are facts and that mislead new and inexperienced players. In reality, experienced good players perfectly know these assumptions are untrue and are just opinions from personal experiences. Once again this discussion already took place on previous threads. There’s no need to keep repeating the same unnecessary argument. I don’t consider myself better than everyone else. There are players better than me as an Ele with all weapon sets and various playstyles that I have met. Most of them are not even active in the forum.

Swim.6830:

LightningBlaze.4913:

This sort of thread again. I’m amazed how many new players(or players that have not spent enough time playing this profession to master it) fail to realize the various defensive methods the Ele possesses to avoid, counter and recover from damage easily. This have been discussed extensively on previous threads already.

If you aren’t making any arguments, don’t bother posting accusations left and right.

And really? Necros have far less control skills?? You limit the meaning of control. Control is controlling the fight, which Necros can easily do with things like chain fear, boon conversion, condition unloading etc. I am not saying Necros are in a better state, but don’t say things which are obviously false.

I never bother to argue with players that dont know what the Ele profession truly is capable. Specially, when it comes to this topic that has been debated several times and proven wrong.

This sort of thread again. I’m amazed how many new players(or players that have not spent enough time playing this profession to master it) fail to realize the various defensive methods the Ele possesses to avoid, counter and recover from damage easily. This have been discussed extensively on previous threads already.

Asura all the way. Heida is the best name ever for an asura. Don’t hate on randomness. Bring random is fun specially in a game.

I’m just happy the glitch of having this spell canceled after a dodge was fixed.

Great choice to start with the ele. D/D is the easiest but one of the most fun and reliable weapon sets to perform well with the ele. Follow up with d/f next. Once you have developed enough understanding not only with your profession skills/traits/combos etc but also with other professions you might want to try staff and scepter. In regards to speed runes/utility that provide 25% permanent speed and fiery greatsword is more than what you need. Of course permanent swiftness instead of 25% movement speed is even better within some builds.

Has it already been 8 months since fresh air trait was released? Everything is correct. All the builds Daphonix made popular are still meta up to this date specially for d/d. Best way for you to get informed is to read the Elementalist section from each patch note you missed.

dimek.4592:

Ok, stop that right now! I had enough… Enough people showing their BEST videos agains lame players proving that eles can do the same condies damage in whole fight as average necor in 5 seconds…
Enough adulatory kitten about ‘might stacking domination’, ‘meta //*/6/6 builds’, ‘perfect rotations’ etc.

I appreciate that you make clear to everyone that this class has the lowest efficiency (efforts/results = efficiency) in the game, meaning that you have to work n times harder than x class to get the same result (if not worse). But just to make it clear, could you please entitle you topics with one and only true definition:
“the only class I’m having fun with – regardless of defeat or ineffectuality”. In other words, could you please let everyone know that they will frustrate playing this class just after having lots of fun with its diversity until realize that all these are just prospective victims of warriors, engineers, necros, thieves and any other guys that spent half much time to mastered their class…

He made a couple of mistakes. Some noticed and some left unnoticed but that’s ok even against good players. The reason why it’s ok is because this game make bunker builds to be very forgiving. He can easily recover from mistakes on 1v1 encounters with his build. It is not about the profession only being fun. Every profession is the most fun towards different type of people. Every profession require time to perform efficiently. Sure the ele takes a bit more time due to the larger amount of weapon skills it possess but that’s all it requires… time. Every build across all the professions within this game has their strengths and weaknesses. When you are struggling against a specific profession/player you can be sure there are builds (including other weapon sets) that counter them as an ele. The ele can defeat all professions and all great players within this game but don’t expect a single build and playstyle to accomplish that goal.

After a year of not spvping I have come back. The bunker builds are out of control. Every “experienced” player found in solo and team spvp/tpvp are all bunkers just to hold on the capture points as long as possible. Even on tournaments the majority run high bunker builds. How is this environment considered to be fun?. These bunkers don’t even need to dodge right because how forgiving their builds are within this setting.

Disagree, It makes more sense for it to be a field instead.

I also play condition ele and it is very powerful in wvw. A few days before the patch I encountered a very highly skillful condition ele from Fa like no other condition ele i have ever faced. I even whispered badelementalist “There’s this condition ele solo roaming around and kicking my you know what so hard” I have never met any other condition based ele that can spam so many different conditions constantly. The pressure was insane way more than any burst or dps ele has ever done on me (back then my ele also had several ways to remove conditions). Mobility, heals, condition removal, defensive/offensive boons, massive condition damage with and without confusion… he had it all.

Anomaly.7612:

LightningBlaze.4913:

Anomaly.7612:

Really liking this build, but I’m having a hard time with the combos and might stacking. Any tips on combos? Been going Fire: Fire field>Water: blast for might>Air:Get up my shields>Fire: Fire Field> Earth: Blast and condi clear.

Based on his gameplay video you don’t even need to worry about blasting fire fields for might stacking. You can easily obtain up to 25 might by activating your cantrips and swaping attunement.

Well, would it not stack them faster if you’re doing fire fields and swapping at the same time per usual?

Of course it would. You just don’t have to worry too much on blasting fire fields specially if those blasts are not hitting your opponent.

I like the way these rewards are separated. It provides more options to obtain your items. Honestly the tracks are awesome. I have obtained 7 ascended boxes with 4 of them being the stats I want out of 4 completed tracks.

P.S: Expect pve hating comments below.

I want pizzaaa

Lopez.7369:

Liza.2758:

Lopez.7369:

Except for spirit ranger, no condition build is a bunker. I have no idea where that perception comes from. Condition builds are supposed to be tanky, because they’re about attrition, but they’re not anywhere close to being bunkers. (And usually that tankiness is there to make up for a distinct lack of mobility and susceptibility to focus fire.)

it’s not the build that make bunker. it’s amulet.

not like everyone uses carrion.

That is completely wrong. You either don’t know what a bunker is or you’re overestimating condition builds.

Tanky, immobile DOT builds are completely normal in MMOs. It’s an archetype. But they’re not bunkers or tanks. Not even close.

Being bunker is the exact equivalent of healer + tank in one build…..

This game promotes bunker builds to an extreme level. The tourneys are a perfect example in demonstrating that fact.

Anomaly.7612:

Really liking this build, but I’m having a hard time with the combos and might stacking. Any tips on combos? Been going Fire: Fire field>Water: blast for might>Air:Get up my shields>Fire: Fire Field> Earth: Blast and condi clear.

Based on his gameplay video you don’t even need to worry about blasting fire fields for might stacking. You can easily obtain up to 25 might by activating your cantrips and swaping attunement.

There’s one on the first page within this forum named something like new spvp celestial build

All of them because the ele is that awersome

There’s no such thing as work hard when it comes to playing a game. It only requires time to get really familiar with the whole aspect of the profession. Ele excels in all areas within this game but it will take you time to perform well in the more challenging environments such as spvp/tpvp and wvw roaming.

That word gets overused within gw2 forum. Britney spears toxic lyrics should be post whenever someone uses that word… so here you go.
Baby, can’t you see
I’m calling
A guy like you
Should wear a warning
It’s dangerous
I’m fallin’

There’s no escape
I can’t wait
I need a hit
Baby, give me it
You’re dangerous
I’m lovin’ it

Too high
Can’t come down
Losing my head
Spinning ‘round and ‘round
Do you feel me now

With a taste of your lips
I’m on a ride
You’re toxic I’m slipping under
With a taste of a poison paradise
I’m addicted to you
Don’t you know that you’re toxic
And I love what you do
Don’t you know that you’re toxic

It’s getting late
To give you up
I took a sip
From my devil’s cup
Slowly
It’s taking over me

Too high
Can’t come down
It’s in the air
And it’s all around
Can you feel me now

With a taste of your lips
I’m on a ride
You’re toxic I’m slipping under
With a taste of a poison paradise
I’m addicted to you
Don’t you know that you’re toxic
And I love what you do
Don’t you know that you’re toxic

Don’t you know that you’re toxic

[x2]
With a taste of your lips
I’m on a ride
You’re toxic I’m slipping under
With a taste of a poison paradise
I’m addicted to you
Don’t you know that you’re toxic

Intoxicate me now
With your lovin’ now
I think I’m ready now
I think I’m ready now
Intoxicate me now
With your lovin’ now
I think I’m ready now

If you are a returning Ele you probably know the builds Daphonix made popular. They are still going strong for d/d.

With or without dev interaction through the forum, WvW rocks!

That’ is so evil. I don’t blame you though. I tend to do that too. Specially to those that /laugh, /dance at me when they killed in group/Zerg lol. I remember their guild, character appearance and when I find them alone I do karma on them but to the extreme lvl. Lol.

P Fun Daddy.1208:

LightningBlaze.4913:

P Fun Daddy.1208:

LightningBlaze.4913:

Lol what a lame logic to consider burst cheesy. Must be coming from players that are too afraid to die easily and thus spec more towards defense than offense. Instead on relying in their players skills to survive more with fewer defense no they rely heavily in their traits, utilities and defensive stats. Being a punching bag is even more lame.

I consider fresh air burst to be cheesy, mostly because of how much using it disadvantages you in anything other than a prearranged 1v1, but also because it is a burst with a pretty big amount of instant damage.
Staff burst is better, because it has so many built in tools and requires a bit more effort to set up, while being less of a one-and-done build.
Dagger burst is rare because of melee.

I consider builds that evolve around the arcana, water tree and on defensive stats to be cheesy too because they require no effort to stay alive even without dodging and predicting your opponent next move right. Any build disadvantages you on anything other than 1v1 against 2 or more GOOD players by yourself. Group/zerg it is easy and require a bit of thinking instead of mindlessly jumping in the front line to get hammered. Against bad players winning outnumbered (by yourself) is always possible regardless of what build you use.

You misunderstand me. By “anything other than a prearranged 1v1” I mean any situation where-

You are surprised.
Teamfights (because you take down one person, maybe, then immediately die or just have nothing left).
Any time relatively close to a fight (because of the high CD of the burst).
Any time something exists that can take your burst and live (so pretty much any condi build and any bunker).

It’s a spec designed to win one 1v1 every 40+ seconds if you get the drop on the other guy, which is why it isn’t particularly amazing in any form of the game, but it will always win that 1v1 unless the other guy times a dodge.
That’s why I consider it cheesy. The enemy dodges once and you lose, if they outlive it you lose, if they don’t do either you win.

I did misinterpret your post. It varies greatly on the type of builds. There are glassy and non glassy burst builds. One can be melt back if the burst is endured or avoided while the other can withstand and retry until his oponente is down. Honestly aside
of a few full búnker extremely high condition damage, constant stealth based mesmers, there hasn’t been any other bunker type I haven’t been able to defeat with my main burst build but still get defeated. There are also bunker constant healing encounters that never end until more players join in. Probably now it could be a different story. After the patch I sacrificed more defense to gain close to the amount of burst I had before. It’s too soon to conclude.The rotations can be predictable but you can also play with your opponent’s mind and have him waste a dodge or two before you even initialize the combos.

Mbelch.9028:

LightningBlaze.4913:

I didint insult Serane. I insulted you. I’ll have you know I started with d/d since open beta. I played hybrid, bunker, support, condition, dps and bust builds with it. As proof there’s a post around this same thread of me raging because many others started to run d/d because of Daphonix. Everything you are going through right now I already experienced it including the training, dueling, wins, builds, etc. This discussion isn’t about your or my experience. It is about you discrediting someone many acknowledge and respect.

Lol like I said, I’m done on your ring around the Rosie. You don’t even know what you’re talking about at this point.

No, you are just trying to shift the discussion to something else, instead of admitting how stupid you were to discredit Dapheonix. You really do deserve to be insulted.

I didint insult Serane. I insulted you. I’ll have you know I started with d/d since open beta. I played hybrid, bunker, support, condition, dps and bust builds with it. As proof there’s a post around this same thread of me raging because many others started to run d/d because of Daphonix. Everything you are going through right now I already experienced it including the training, dueling, wins, builds, etc. This discussion isn’t about your or my experience. It is about you discrediting someone many acknowledge and respect.

Dolores.5471:

FrownyClown.8402:

Not to discredit daphenix but id prob beat him in a duel. He was good at evading. Probably better than anyone I’ve seen. He didn’t actually create the build. He popularized it. No one could do what he did but now he is obsolete.

I agree he was not the creator of d/d, as no one really was.

My vote is for Anet on being the creator of the build.

Mbelch.9028:

LightningBlaze.4913:

Mbelch.9028:

Nope, I didn’t play ele during the God-Era for eles. Proud of it too.

Exactly, that’s why your ignorant self has no place in discrediting someone that was considered very skillful and not an amateur like you.

Why defend him so adamantly? I see his videos. I read his thread this morning. There’s nothing awe inspiring here.

I guarantee I’d beat this guy in a duel, but I don’t really care about that. I just feel like people should let this outdated thread die, and stop referring to “dapheonix” stuff to new people. Newbies don’t know him.

It’s nonsensical really. And to call me an amateur is funny. I was an amateur when we dueled over a year ago, and I still broke even with you. What’s that say about you.

I deleted that post because of the insults. Read the one above. I take it easy on players I don’t consider much of a challenge and play like whatever. Against your tutoring master Serane, it was a different story. It is not about beating him in a lame pointless duel. It is about realizing what he did for the entire ele community at his time and it is still carrying on up to this day.

Mbelch.9028:

Nope, I didn’t play ele during the God-Era for eles. Proud of it too.

You completely missed a very fun stage the ele once had and completely doubt it will ever happen again. It was thanks to the influence, guides and skillful gameplay Daphoenix projected over his videos and over his intelligent forum posts. If not all then the majority of ele players ran his builds. Up to this day the builds he made popular are considered to be standard for most d/d builds including yours. That is why discrediting someone you never seen until recently makes you look awful Nex.

The builds he made popular became the standard for most of d/d builds nowadays. Nex has no voice into this since according to him he didn’t even play during the god mode like meta ele used to have…. all thanks to Daphoenix guidelines.

Mbelch.9028:

LightningBlaze.4913:

Graendall.4765:

Ahahahaha….Why is it that so many NA D/D eles think themselves better than everyone else?

Dapphoenix got many of us into the class.Some of us stayed.Discrediting him makes you look like the fool since you have no actual proof that you could do better.You are basicly a nobody posting in a class forum,like the rest of us.Your opinions will be respected when you will respect your co-player.

Also if someone wants to ask sth in a thread that has answered a mirriad of questions about our class,then they must kittening do it.Plenty of times questions were answered by others besides Dapphoenix.

Exactly this ^

From a person who used to have the signature “best roaming ele on blackgate.”

Exactly nothing.

I changed for the better. I’m no longer the arrogant person filled with pride like you are at the moment in game. For the records, i only duel friendly, fun and skillful players like you used to be. I don’t duel arrogant, boring, jealous, and amateur players like you have become.

Graendall.4765:

Ahahahaha….Why is it that so many NA D/D eles think themselves better than everyone else?

Dapphoenix got many of us into the class.Some of us stayed.Discrediting him makes you look like the fool since you have no actual proof that you could do better.You are basicly a nobody posting in a class forum,like the rest of us.Your opinions will be respected when you will respect your co-player.

Also if someone wants to ask sth in a thread that has answered a mirriad of questions about our class,then they must kittening do it.Plenty of times questions were answered by others besides Dapphoenix.

Exactly this ^

Cecilia.5179:

oZii read my mind. This discussion is overly dramatic like some reality show. If he comes back and starts posting stuff, discussion here is fine and dandy, but since he is not back, nor showing any sign of coming back, let it rest.

I think the reason why this thread keeps getting bumped is because many still suggest this sort of builds to newcomers. I’m guilty of this too. I always recommend his d/d builds to start with the ele because they provide the perfect learning curve to our profession.

Mbelch.9028:

I do not seek fame. If I did, I would post my builds. (:O yeah I use more than one. You wouldn’t know as we haven’t met up to duel since I was learning the class still) I would make videos. (something I do for a living, so it would be very easy.) And I would post guides.

I don’t care for fame, and I don’t want people to run my builds. I feel they’re optimized and efficient. Again, you don’t know, as we haven’t met up or spoken in a year.

Surprising what can happen in a year.

The majority of d/d eles already run “your build”. The reason you don’t post it is because everyone knows about it. There’s nothing new you can come up with d/d seeing it is the most used weapon set for eles. Probably if you improvise with the new traits then maybe…. but knowing you, I’m sure you are still stuck with the same relevant builds just like you are with the same weapon set for over a year now.

Anyway, I won’t argue anymore towards this copycat build topic. Dapheonix shouldn’t be discredited by a newcomer that dont know how popular he made the d/d eles and how skillful he really was.

Mbelch.9028:

LightningBlaze.4913:

Jealousy is awful specially coming from someone that is using one of the builds he made popular and trying to claim is his own.

Cute. But untrue. We could do this again or you could stop trying to grind an axe where you don’t really know what you’re talking about.

Not trying to grind any axe. I’m just stating the real fact. You run one of the builds he made popular and what’s hurting you here is he got and still getting the in-game fame you would like.

Jealousy is awful specially coming from someone that is using one of the builds he made popular and trying to claim is his own.

P Fun Daddy.1208:

LightningBlaze.4913:

Lol what a lame logic to consider burst cheesy. Must be coming from players that are too afraid to die easily and thus spec more towards defense than offense. Instead on relying in their players skills to survive more with fewer defense no they rely heavily in their traits, utilities and defensive stats. Being a punching bag is even more lame.

I consider fresh air burst to be cheesy, mostly because of how much using it disadvantages you in anything other than a prearranged 1v1, but also because it is a burst with a pretty big amount of instant damage.
Staff burst is better, because it has so many built in tools and requires a bit more effort to set up, while being less of a one-and-done build.
Dagger burst is rare because of melee.

I consider builds that evolve around the arcana, water tree and on defensive stats to be cheesy too because they require no effort to stay alive even without dodging and predicting your opponent next move right. Any build disadvantages you on anything other than 1v1 against 2 or more GOOD players by yourself. Group/zerg it is easy and require a bit of thinking instead of mindlessly jumping in the front line to get hammered. Against bad players winning outnumbered (by yourself) is always possible regardless of what build you use.

Lol what a lame logic to consider burst cheesy. Must be coming from players that are too afraid to die easily and thus spec more towards defense than offense. Instead on relying in their players skills to survive more with fewer defense no they rely heavily in their traits, utilities and defensive stats. Being a punching bag is even more lame.

Every single time the dev used to give updates in this WvW forum, the players in here gave more negative posts than positive ones. Even when the changes were good the people that post in this forum are all always toxic towards the devs. If I was a dev I would have done the same…ignore this minority and stop posting.

connvince.8061:

cheshirefox.7026:

let’s see what’s on the menu
cheesey scepter burst, wet noodle staff bot,
oh and daggers is the soup of the day Again
no thanks, i’ll pass

Well that’s a bit unfair, now isn’kitten Mr. Sadpants? Every class has weapons that either aren’t great or are situational. The only item I don’t have much success with is the focus, but it’s great when soloing PvE. Some people do well with it in sPvP.

And calling the staff a wet noodle makes you sound more like a troll than an elementalist giving any sort of feedback.

+1 to this post.

- The le has the bigger burst.
- I don’t know, spvp completely bored me long time ago
- After roaming with both classes for extensive period of time i found mesmer to be harder.

It is more cool than it sounds. The ele excels in all areas within wvw but it will take you time to master it. Start with as much defense as you can first and as you progress start giving out some defense in favor of offense if you enjoy the burst/high dps aspect.

The new patch completely destroyed my previous roaming and zerging build too. It was a s/d,s/f and staff burst non glass cannon build. This is mostly the tanky and condition meta. It is still very possible to burst without being glassy as I’m trying 3 different builds but i’m still in the testing phrase. The funny part is 2 of the builds doesn’t even require stacking might to burst high.

D/D is a all rounded weapon set that have both strong offense and defense skills. It is very fun to play d/d. However, if you are like me that still find weird for a mage to be equipped with double daggers (in a mmorpg) and want more of a challenge to perform awesome try the other weapon sets (though i always recommend to start with d/d and with the build daphoenix made popular to newcomers).