Guild Wars 2

That’s my build xD. For solo and group roaming I find it has plenty of defense with the utilities, traits and focus skills but if you feel you need more then definitely replace the 20 points from fire or air into the arcana, water or even the earth tree. I like the 20 in fire simply because of that reduced cd on Phoenix skill comes very handy and the power gained helps as well for my burst playstyle.

Bunch of baddies they were xD. Great job on saving your comrade.

I was using http://en.gw2skills.net/editor/?fEAQJArdhEmibzR4wjEI0DoQQRAYAiHWgDwhVBA-jkDBYggojA0HAUBgpmKjZnQJqBtMsIasKkYKXAaXRVFLx2bDa1kLxSBIoyI-w

but I recently changed some traits, gear,utility and sigils in preparation for the upcoming patch to http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fEAQJArdhEmObzR5wjEIkCwQQBBwAiHTgDwhlC5AA-jEDBojBkoAksAI1cIjZnRtMsIasKkYKXBV7CSFLx2bDa1mLxSBIoyI-w

Indeed fgs is the only source of escaping. I tend to use it in combat a lot of times too and still have it available when i need it for a getaway. Main thing in wvw solo roaming is to be aware of your surroundings at all time even when you 1v1 someone.

All the builds i use for s/d or s/f is for bursting while having more than enough needed survivability. Adjust them to your playstyle. Enjoy.

Otaur.9268:

emikochan.8504:

ArthurDent.9538:

I remember Doc Howler killed me repeatedly back in the day. Don’t worry, you will figure it out (or already have by now). One piece of advice, she uses several projectile attacks, you have a reflection on staff, or a reflection and projectile destruction on focus.

Also earth dagger 2 blocks projectiles

WHAT? Lol Earth 2 is an aoe bleed/cripple.

He already found out about that bug earth 2 have atm from another thread. It does destroy projectile.

Mochann.5298:

BlackBeard.2873:

You need more burst yourself, and then you will learn to love these thieves: they are usually very bad. They build very glassy, but one burning speed + LF or burning speed + arcane wave downs them. You don’t even need to land Firegrab to destroy them.

The harder thieves are the ones that are start enough to not go full-glass. In fact, if they take 30 in trickery, they can interrupt your ether renewal regardless of whether you have stab or not (their steal will steal 1 boon and daze, and prioritizes stab first). If you are pure bunker, this fight is miserable. If you have some good offense yourself, know when to pop your utilities/auras, and know when to dodge, you will love the fools who build super-squishy.

More burst on yourself won’t help when you’re dead from the first shot.

In burst vs. burst, he who strikes first, wins. The thief, with stealth, will always strike first.

I’ve said this many times before: Backstabbing Stealth thieves are a hard counter to glass zerk eles.

The difference is you don’t have to be glass as ele to burst a glass thief down in one sec. The thief will always strike first if you fail to notice him coming or fail to dodge. Even if the thief is on stealth we have invulnerability and block skills that allows us to strike first as soon as they come out of stealth. Even if the thief strikes first, it will require at least 2 hits to get you down. If you have good reflexes and your utilities are not on cd, you can avoid the second hit and down him first. Full glass thieves are that easy to defeat.

These thieves are the easiest to beat. If you see them coming you can easily avoid their combo and burst them down within 1-2 secs if they don’t run away after they fail their initial combo. They are not rare at all in tier 1 servers. Both sor and jq have a whole bunch of these full glass thieves. The rare are the ones that don’t rely on perm/constant stealth to perform great like triggerless.

Phi Is Sly.1857:

Crit damge nerf = WVW zerg bunker builds even more op.

We’ll have to see how the new stat ferocity works out.

Mbelch.9028:

I suppose I’m not sure why people are giving more than patch predictions. We could theoretically get a lower cd on RTL, but the notes aren’t released yet.

Heidia, I’m waiting to fight BG again.

I gotta find better ways to counter d/d now lol

dreztina.4820:

LightningBlaze.4913:

That’s not always the case. I’m way above decent with my ele yet I tend to fail sometimes at seeing that burning speed animation specially coming from an asura. There’s also the case that I would dodge the skill and use my instant casts to do damage during the time the player finishes that skill. That won’t be possible right now with the dodges added. I would have to wait till it is done while in the meantime that players gain great amount of distance to me without any setback.

I still fail to see the logic from Anet on buffing a weapon set that is already very strong and balanced as it is yet fail to arrange the ones that really need attention like focus and scepter. Water trident addition is lame.

D/D did need some buffs, and I’m not sure why you think scepter needs attention so much more when it’s in a better place than dagger mainhand right now. Plenty of eles in tpvp running s/d or s/f, pretty much zero running d/d. Also, I’d be careful what you wish for with focus. You think the weak abilities will get buffed and they’ll just leave earth alone? The earth focus skills are so ridiculous, that if they buff the weak skills, they’re going to nerf those first. That’s probably a large part of why they haven’t touched it yet.

However, I have the same reservations about this particular change. Landing and countering burning speed was one of the primary play/counterplay components to being/fighting a D/D ele. I’m glad they were finally looking at balancing us, but I would have greatly preferred our mobility being returned instead of just adding evade to an already highly used ability.

Play with scepter and with focus first and then tell me those 2 don’t need attention compared to dagger skills across all the 4 attunements. Scepter is just great for bursting, far superior than dagger in that sense but in terms of having as much useful and reliable skills, dagger is supreme. The main weakness for d/d is that forces the player to be at melee range to be effective and that comes with the price of receiving more damage and not related to countering burning speed.

Even if that theory of yours turns out to be true then I would absolutely prefer having more reliable skills with these weapon sets at the price of nerfing 1-2.

For wvw is between 2.5k-2.6k armor max because more experience players require less focus on defensive stats and emphasize more on the offensive ones.

oZii.2864:

magic fly.2041:

I’m glad ele is getting a buff, but…
I really really really do not like the idea of adding an evade to an already decently powerful skill.
It will make eles more powerful, but less fun to fight against. Those two things do not have to be mutually exclusive. Dodges, blinds, and blocks are already overabundant enough as it is.

Things like focus’s fire spells are in much greater need of attention than one of the ele’s better skills.

I don’t see a problem with burning speed now being allowed to be used defensively and offensively. The reasoning was sound and holds true. Now you can chose to save your lf burning speed combo. The skill is strong but it still requires setup and anyone decent can see when the ele goes into fire and expect whats coming. The alternative is give ele something so they can face tank while they do damage which would be a warrior.

That’s not always the case. I’m way above decent with my ele yet I tend to fail sometimes at seeing that burning speed animation specially coming from an asura. There’s also the case that I would dodge the skill and use my instant casts to do damage during the time the player finishes that skill. That won’t be possible right now with the dodges added. I would have to wait till it is done while in the meantime that players gain great amount of distance to me without any setback.

I still fail to see the logic from Anet on buffing a weapon set that is already very strong and balanced as it is yet fail to arrange the ones that really need attention like focus and scepter. Water trident addition is lame.

I propose for burning speed to get a nerf already. Against a good d/d ele player….. it will be a lot more troublesome to defeat with my s/d or s/f ele :P.

That crit dmg nerf will hurt my burst ele but with fire/air sigil working together and at 100% crit might make up for it. We’ll see. That evasion on burning speed is a huge buff for dd ele and it might cry for nerf on future patches though. I’m still mad there’s not a single buff or fix on my beloved focus offhand weapon set.

No love for focus yet. D/D weapon set will be even more powerful than what already is

It’s bug that will get fixed as more players find out about it xD

I only hate the good ones that are very rarely found on WvW roaming because I let my guard down and get downed by them. I like most of the other ranger players because they are easy kill for my Ele.

Fuzzion.2504:

Anyone that thinks playing an ele is easy, should not play an ele. Roll an engie

Eles are very hard to play in WvW but if you master them, they are very fun.

Also you play an ele because you know it takes twice the skill and effort to take down an engie meaning you are twice the player

Engies are easy to defeat and indeed if the player is good then the Ele is very powerful in WvW. Back on topic, the few times the dev post on each profession forum they always get attacked by users that let their emotions get the best of them, I wouldn’t expect any dev to keep trying on the forum.

That’s interesting. I didn’t know about this. I would always cast it if a melee opponent was giving me some pressure to. force him to back off a bit or cast it on downed opponents and run to where it will land. I will try this when I roam tonight.

if you can’t burst down a thief before he re-stealth then you will never kill a good player thief that perm stealth to recover on 1v1. That’s how broken this mechanic is in wvw. However, I find mesmers to be a lot more annoying using constant stealth than the actual thieves.

This is my s/f build for both roaming and running with the zerg in wvw
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fEAQJArdhEmQczR5wjEI0DoQQRAwAiHTgDwhVBA-jUDBYggojA0HAUBgpmDZM7MqlhFRjVhET5KoaXQqYJ2ebQrmcJWKABVGB-w

Gokil.2543:

You don’t need superspeed to be able to escape any situation with FGS. I used to use superspeed when the trait just came out, and darting halfway across the map is fun, but I’d rather have reliable fury and swiftness.

This ^. With my permanent 25% speed I get from runes I don’t even need swiftness to escape from outnumbered scenarios.

I also vote for this thread to be deleted again.

I think you are stressing yourselves a bit too much over a game. Probably take a break until the Ele becomes easy mode again.

ArmageddonAsh.6430:

LightningBlaze.4913:

Hopefully wildstar won’t have this broken mechanic when it is released. I understand thieves having this constant stealth because it is their main survival tool but mesmers don’t need it. Mesmers have plenty.

From what i have seen the rogue/thief class in that game is currently INSANELY overpowered – Think Thief mixed with Warrior Damage and mobility. I saw a video where a Thief/Rogue burst down several characters and then jumped away Rush style before going stealth.

i wouldn’t mind the damage they deal as long as I can burst them down too. If there is no cd between stealth or a specific way to counter frequent stealth within that game too then I won’t even bother trying it.

Dasenthal.6520:

Tier 1 Problems…
No seriously though, I kind of understand what you’re saying… But I’d rather the WvW team focuses on something worthwhile instead of fixing a problem that only T1 servers MIGHT have more than one night a week.

I agree. These type of suggestions should only be taken into consideration when Everything else is fixed and improved within WvW.

Hopefully wildstar won’t have this broken mechanic when it is released. I understand thieves having this constant stealth because it is their main survival tool but mesmers don’t need it. Mesmers have plenty.

cheshirefox.7026:

i never have any trouble with my elementalist
i think it’s in a good place

I don’t deny the ele has problem just like any of the other professions. I would love to see fixes towards my scepter and focus skills specially. The difference is I don’t take those minor set backs as an excuse to perform poorly with the ele.

LelouchViBritannia.3607:

LightningBlaze.4913:

LelouchViBritannia.3607:

LightningBlaze.4913:

It is not the profession that suck at WvW, roaming, it is the player.The Ele within all WvW areas is very powerful and can defeat all other professions even against equally or higher skillful opponents. What you got to keep in mind is that the Ele no longer has the easy good mode like build that even beginners used to perform great. Some players are still stuck on that mentality and thus are unable to keep improving. With every build and weapon set across all the professions there are always some strengths and weaknesses. You have emphasize on your strong areas and improve on your weak aspects. All leads up to the player at the end for WvW roaming.

It’s not the class that makes ele possible in wvw, it’s the gear. The stats, the runes, the procs.

Stats,runes,build overall only helps but doesn’t determine the player. A lot has to do with having average knowledge of your opponent playstyle/build, skill animations and countering them to perform great with the ele. If all the player does is pressing buttons without reading skill animations and knowing when would be best to execute certain combos or skills he will only kill bad players……. against good players he will be at a very high disadvantage.

The thing is, if you put as much knowledge and skill as you put into ele into another class, you’re gonna perform way better simply because the other class has better tools (for example mesmers or thieves).

It is not like if you are great with the ele, automatically you are awesome with the others. You still need to spend a good amount of time with the other professions to learn each skills/rotations/builds and finding ways to counter your opponents with the tools at your disposal. I really sucked with the mesmer when I tried to roam with it for a good amount of time. Thieves were my biggest problem as mesmer while with my ele they are usually a piece of cake to defeat and we all know how abundant thieves are in wvw roaming.

LelouchViBritannia.3607:

LightningBlaze.4913:

It is not the profession that suck at WvW, roaming, it is the player.The Ele within all WvW areas is very powerful and can defeat all other professions even against equally or higher skillful opponents. What you got to keep in mind is that the Ele no longer has the easy good mode like build that even beginners used to perform great. Some players are still stuck on that mentality and thus are unable to keep improving. With every build and weapon set across all the professions there are always some strengths and weaknesses. You have emphasize on your strong areas and improve on your weak aspects. All leads up to the player at the end for WvW roaming.

It’s not the class that makes ele possible in wvw, it’s the gear. The stats, the runes, the procs.

Stats,runes,build overall only helps but doesn’t determine the player. A lot has to do with having average knowledge of your opponent playstyle/build, skill animations and countering them to perform great with the ele. If all the player does is pressing buttons without reading skill animations and knowing when would be best to execute certain combos or skills he will only kill bad players……. against good players he will be at a very high disadvantage.

It is not the profession that suck at WvW, roaming, it is the player.The Ele within all WvW areas is very powerful and can defeat all other professions even against equally or higher skillful opponents. What you got to keep in mind is that the Ele no longer has the easy good mode like build that even beginners used to perform great. Some players are still stuck on that mentality and thus are unable to keep improving. With every build and weapon set across all the professions there are always some strengths and weaknesses. You have emphasize on your strong areas and improve on your weak aspects. All leads up to the player at the end for WvW roaming.

WvW is part pvp. No complaints at all for wvw roaming or running with the zerg. As a matter of fact I strongly believe it is within this setting where we excel the most.

Wintel.4873:

LightningBlaze.4913:

“There are many valid concerns about the Elementalist” have nothing to do with acknowledging his theory. Most importantly, there are many valid concerns across all the professions.

That’s fine n’ dandy but you and I both know exactly what “valid concerns” means in this case, considering what he was responding to.

And seriously, there is no point in stubbornly refusing to acknowledge the issues that Ele’s face (in SPvP at least). It’s not helping anyone. We all have to work together to highlight issues with this class to the devs and in the end it will only improve the game for everyone. Even non-Ele’s will be happier because when one is on their team, they will no longer have something to worry about it.

In spvp it is not as bad as forum posters make it sound. I’m all up for buffs, who wouldn’t welcome buffs for the professions the player uses as main. I have never hear a mmorpg to have a complete class balance. It is that hard or maybe impossible to accomplish when so many variables take place.

Wintel.4873:

LightningBlaze.4913:

LelouchViBritannia.3607:

Mbelch.9028:

Sure they are. Or maybe that’s just you when you play ele.

Or maybe you shouldn’t judge other players based on yourself.

Any player that is excellent at playing ele will be MUCH better when playing another class to the same extend. That’s a fact that even the devlopers acknowledged.

FYI I’m beast at playing ele.

I’m excellent at playing ele yet I sucked when I tried Mesmer for a good amount of time in WvW so I don’t see where you originated that false logic. I would like to see a source of the developers acknowledging this theory of yours.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/elementalist/1106-suggestions-pre-patch-0-were-ok/first#post3403927

“There are many valid concerns about the Elementalist” have nothing to do with acknowledging his theory. Most importantly, there are many valid concerns across all the professions.

Yep and i need you to work overtime.

It once had a “good”, op, god mode like build where even absolute beginners used to perform great with the profession.

LelouchViBritannia.3607:

Mbelch.9028:

Sure they are. Or maybe that’s just you when you play ele.

Or maybe you shouldn’t judge other players based on yourself.

Any player that is excellent at playing ele will be MUCH better when playing another class to the same extend. That’s a fact that even the devlopers acknowledged.

FYI I’m beast at playing ele.

I’m excellent at playing ele yet I sucked when I tried Mesmer for a good amount of time in WvW so I don’t see where you originated that false logic. I would like to see a source of the developers acknowledging this theory of yours.

Poliswag.8240:

LightningBlaze.4913:

Nothing is viable or optimal in WvW/spvp if you don’t have the player skills. It is as simple and straight forward as that. I roam now with s/f and I ’m performing better now than I ever did with d/d or s/d. Fgs, lightning flash and my permanent 25% speed is all I need for mobility.

I had it first, Poliswag 2014!

Nanananananananananana

Well I have anomaly first and the legendary you are working on now so take that poli :P

Nothing is viable or optimal in WvW/spvp if you don’t have the player skills. It is as simple and straight forward as that. I roam now with s/f and I ’m performing better now than I ever did with d/d or s/d. Fgs, lightning flash and my permanent 25% speed is all I need for mobility.

The thief have to be very bunker and/or use constant stealth to stand a chance against my ele. The perm stealth mechanic is still the most broken mechanic in this game. The only exception so far is trigerless. He is really good and our duels were very balanced on wins/loses.

oZii.2864:

LightningBlaze.4913:

oZii.2864:

LightningBlaze.4913:

Anierna.6918:

Every single one of those links needs a disclaimer that says:

“d/d builds are not meant to be used in dungeons. There are higher-dmg’ing alternatives”

That disclaimer is false and invalid if it goes against the user preference. Besides for pve anything works.

Every forum has the PvE minds

Anierna is the Ele PvE focused poster
Nike is the every class I think poster
Guanglai Kangyi I heard of but I don’t know what his main is but he is on the Guard forums alot.

Your point Ozi? Trying to pursue players that d/d is not meant to be used in dungeons because there are other higher damaging alternatives doesn’t make it true. Some players prefer other styles than just dealing higher damage or being at range. Dealing great damage is my style as well but I understand it is not for everyone. Ele is awesome at playing however you want it to play specially in pve and be very effective towards the group even in pug groups.

My point is that their are people that post with only PvE and optimal builds in mind. Not saying that it is right or wrong it just is. If someone doesn’t run D/D Ele in PvE because Anierna says that it’s bad for PvE that is really on them and not Anierna he doesn’t control their mind or body.

Everything on the forums is usually just advice but none of it is law he is correct that their are higher damaging options. His post is just stating that D/D is not the max optimal set for PvE.

It could come off as elitist to new players so I understand that point but a forum really is only advice.

He could have worded differently because that statement does sound like elitist.

oZii.2864:

LightningBlaze.4913:

Anierna.6918:

Every single one of those links needs a disclaimer that says:

“d/d builds are not meant to be used in dungeons. There are higher-dmg’ing alternatives”

That disclaimer is false and invalid if it goes against the user preference. Besides for pve anything works.

Every forum has the PvE minds

Anierna is the Ele PvE focused poster
Nike is the every class I think poster
Guanglai Kangyi I heard of but I don’t know what his main is but he is on the Guard forums alot.

Your point Ozi? Trying to pursue players that d/d is not meant to be used in dungeons because there are other higher damaging alternatives doesn’t make it true. Some players prefer other styles than just dealing higher damage or being at range. Dealing great damage is my style as well but I understand it is not for everyone. Ele is awesome at playing however you want it to play specially in pve and be very effective towards the group even in pug groups.

Anierna.6918:

Every single one of those links needs a disclaimer that says:

“d/d builds are not meant to be used in dungeons. There are higher-dmg’ing alternatives”

That disclaimer is false and invalid if it goes against the user preference. Besides for pve anything works.

Fasyx.9347:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-mdnFHyP88

Dont even try this as an ele.

All of these videos showing winning on 1vx amount are always misleading. Any good player perfectly knows that one versus two good players no matter what profession or build you might be using, you just won’t win in this game. One good player is enough to give you a lot of trouble. I can easily show my burst ele winning 1v4 last night against awful players and state ele can do as much or even more than the engi……. but a video like that will simply mislead you into the wrong direction just like this one.

I’m pretty sure the op meant the Heath bar(vitality) and not healing power….

Two days ago I dueled the player that is consider to be the best among thieves, triggerless and wow he really surprised me with his playstyle. It was so different and unique from all the previous thieves I have encountered that even use his same weapon set and possibly same build/utilities. My point is you might have fought a lot of thieves and easily beat them but when you find that rare player that doesn’t rely heavily on constant/perm stealth to perform great that’s when you will have a real enjoyable challenge. You will also understand that both ele and thief have a lot of potential to excel but depends by a large margin by how good the player is.

reikken.4961:

hp is actually the BEST stat to have when you don’t have ways to recover or avoid damage

but ele does, so it’s not needed

For that scenario a very strong offense would be your best defense. Power stat is a lot more valuable by itself than hp when it comes to pvp setting. For Pve sure the hp can come helpful but in a pvp environment the most benefit it would allow (only if you invest a great amount and without the help of the other defensive stats/skills/utilities/traits) is to receive just one – two extra auto attacks…. assuming your opponent is not a punching bag with low damage. Dodging along is enough to avoid a lot of damage on smaller scale encounters but a lot of players fail to do even that right.

The logic is because we have various ways to clean conditions and heal ourselves back up. Hp by itself is a lame stat if you don’t have ways to keep avoiding damage or recover.

I only get imo if I use lighning flash when I’m stunned.

Cast it to take away the pressure from melee types or cast it on downed opponents when others are trying to res. it also works great with gale skill from focus.

I also consider Serane to be the best d/d Ele I have gone against so far too. Our duels were the most enjoyable and intense I have experienced. when I used to play with s/d.