Guild Wars 2

phaeris.7604:

If you’re beating the necro on an ele, i wouldn’t say they’re ‘very skillful’.

My friend played a condi necro before he switched to power, and ate elementalists up. It’s so easy to land a signet of spite and keep people feared with 28k health, then a full deathshroud to get through.

But let me guess, all the ele’s he beat just weren’t that good… :/

No, I wouldn’t say that. The eles he defeated might have been good with the build they used. More likely a 0/0/0/30/30 variant right?. Those builds against an equally skilled necro will eat Ele alive like you friend did even if the duration of the encounter last. A good necro needs to be pressured with burst at all/most of the times while avoiding their main beneficial skills for the Ele to stand a chance.

godz raiden.2631:

I think people just get angry because it’s generally harder to instagib a PU mesmer than is a zerker ele or thief or something. Some builds require you to play more cautiously or patiently, PU mesmer is one of them. Honestly, fighting a good PU mesmer is generally fun for me because it gives me a chance to see how well I can pay attention to the boons on my target and react accordingly, all while paying attention to phantasms and dodging the heavy damage that could potentially take me down within a second or two. Inexperienced players will struggle against PU mesmers, but experienced players will react more appropriately.

I think if you’re having a problem with PU mesmers then you should make one yourself, and see how it plays out. Once you get used to playing a class with a common/favorite build, you’ll understand it considerably better, and you’ll most likely find yourself losing fights to it less than you did before.

Coming from a thief that also abuse the broken stealth mechanic. There is no skill involved in your described gameplay. You just have stealth to recover.

It largely depends on so many factors in this scenario.. Both have equal chances to win if necro have full life force and the Ele can provide constant high burst pressure while avoiding getting feared and signet conditions. I have tested with a few very skillful necros from BG and jq that very rarely lose on 1v1.

It started epic with the use of the surrounding towards your advantage but then it got boring with all the zerg i just had to skip. Overall great gameplay.

Wintel.4873:

lLobo.7960:

Asura are small and hard to read animations, but also you cant see your armor and cloths much. So if your own visual is something important for you, its a bad choice.

Human female if you like boobs.

Actually Norn females have the best boobs.

I have seen you in the overflow! my gf loves the red combination of your toon haha.

Viking Jorun.5413:

You will also thank me later.

That picture looks so epic! and I lol at the content of your signature. 10/10!

Thaddeus.4891:

LightningBlaze.4913:

phaeris.7604:

I ran d/d.

Since the ability to stealth every 1-2 hits isn’t really a broken mechanic, but actual class design, they why exactly wouldn’t I use it?

What thief isn’t in stealth every few seconds?

But yes, I can say ele’s are an easy kill, you can say you can kill everything that exists, so eles are clearly in a great spot.

There are various thief players that don’t rely on abusing that well known broken mechanic to stand a chance against other players. Triggerless for example. They do stealth but not as constantly to abuse it. Yet they perform extremely well even on outnumbered encounters. In terms of wvw and pve, the ele is most certainty in a very good spot but that depends on the player. If you are on tier 2 lets duel and see if your “undefeated against ele” status remains.

Really?? Its not because YOU think that its an abuse and YOU think that its cheap to use that mechanic that its a abuse. Its part of the game then its legit. If Anet think that it unbalance the game, then they gonna change it ASAP. If they think that its not a big deal but need to be change, then they will change it eventually. And if they think that is part of the game then i will never change. For now its part of the thief and each profession need to be prepare to counter this kind of tactics. Some profession can counter this but other profession have a harder time like Ele. Its part of the game.

It is not just me that believe that constant/perm stealth is a broken mechanic that has no real counters in gw2. Dodging, putting conditions or aeo are not real counters. This topic has been brought up several times in the wvw discussion forum, each being discussed at great length. Whoever was active in any of those threads can easily tell the grand majority agreed stealth is the most broken mechanic in this game. Even a lot of well known tpvp and wvw thieves players agreed. Then again, that’s a completely separate topic that does not belong in this thread.

@Wraziel – If you are doing very well with the ele don’t pay attention to any of those that simply fail to perform just as good. Ele is very strong in all areas of wvw and pve but some players simply can’t adapt or learn how to play with this profession.

phaeris.7604:

I ran d/d.

Since the ability to stealth every 1-2 hits isn’t really a broken mechanic, but actual class design, they why exactly wouldn’t I use it?

What thief isn’t in stealth every few seconds?

But yes, I can say ele’s are an easy kill, you can say you can kill everything that exists, so eles are clearly in a great spot.

There are various thief players that don’t rely on abusing that well known broken mechanic to stand a chance against other players. Triggerless for example. They do stealth but not as constantly to abuse it. Yet they perform extremely well even on outnumbered encounters. In terms of wvw and pve, the ele is most certainty in a very good spot but that depends on the player. If you are on tier 2 lets duel and see if your “undefeated against ele” status remains.

phaeris.7604:

LightningBlaze.4913:

Those thieves/mesmers and warriors that supposedly “annihilate” eles have never gone against a good ele player.

Oh really….must just be a coincidence that of all the classes I never ever lost to an ele on my thief. I just happened to fight all the terrible ele players, and would come out of fights at pretty much full health. Or somehow I could end fights in sub 5 seconds sometimes, or occasionally 1 shot geared eles.

I even had an obviously well kitted ele join my group just to tell me how did I hit him for a 21k total. I replied ’ i pressed 4 buttons’. How we laughed!

Unless you are abusing the broken constant/perm stealth mechanic to keep healing yourself back up after every 1-2 hits then you are a very easy kill to me. There are many awful easy mode eles roaming in wvw trying to become better just like there are a couple of thieves that said to me they never have lost to an ele until they encountered me. If you are as good as Triggerless or Amonator with s/d then you are a challenge but still beatable.

Your new video brings back a lot of personal memories when I used to roam in wvw with d/d. I’m pretty confident you are using the exact same build I did with d/d. Gotta love how ele can burst without being glass.

Illi.3647:

You get heirlooms from rubble piles and the bags for reaching treshold for saving citizens. Alliance bags don´t have them in their loot pool (as far as I know)

Exactly this. Start helping those that save citizens!

phaeris.7604:

Because ele defenders have never played against a good thief/mesmer or warrior.

They just get anhialated.

Those thieves/mesmers and warriors that supposedly “annihilate” eles have never gone against a good ele player.

Hi Nabarue, welcome to the ele forum. My first and most helpful advise is to not let yourself get influenced by the negativity you see on the forum. Every mmorpg has them specially on professions that require some skill from the player to perform well. The ele is not easy to play great. Those that fail will complain and try to convince others that the profession is trash because of their bad experiences.

1)Staff is more oriented when you need to target multiple foes due to its many aeo skills capabilities. It will not hurt you quiet the opposite, depending on the build you are running it will help you and your teammates. S/d is more than just viable within all aspects of this game. I use it myself for most pve content. I stopped using dagger for wvw (both main hand and offhand) but loved it during all the time I spent with it.

2)I admit conjures do need some work but you can still perform some crazy combos. and dps with them specially with frost bow, lightning hammer and FGS within all 3 areas of this game.

3) Part of your playstyle is like mine. I also refuse to be part of the majority on playing with 0/0/0/30/30 builds. I won’t ever go back again on spending a lot of points within the arcana and water trait line. Nowadays i go as low as only 10 in water, 5 in arcana and still perform extremely well with my ele. However, that doesn’t mean I wouldn’t recommend to spend 30 in water and 30 in arcana for someone that is just getting started with this profession. Those traitlines provides the most sustainable, defensive traits for our class. My recommendation is to start with as much defensive traits/utilites/stats/skills as you can and slowly as you are becoming better and better with the ele remove some defense in favor of offense specially if you plan to burst.

This profession is a whole lot of fun and if you enjoyed engi you will surely love the ele.

I vote for this thread to close. It is not constructive when the op completely thinks what he experiences is the one and only fact and whoever disagree is called a fanboy or a troll by this person. It is clearly a l2p issue when you have many others that run completely glassy (myself included) yet they don’t experience what the op stated on the current made up “pve meta”

Agriope.4523:

This thread is still going?

People hatin’ should post their vids of how “awesome” they are (merc’ing uplevel rangers doesn’t count – nor does kiting around 15 people and not doing anything).

I wasn’t aware giving props to others’ good play was a bad thing.

that ^

dreztina.4820:

Amazing. Make a comment about what I think makes a good video, and the full fan club comes out to tell me I’m a jealous hater.

I think that was only Nex and not directed to you.

KrazyFlyinChicken.5936:

By your powers combined…

I AM CAPTAIN PLANET!!!

I’m a planeteer. You can be one too. Because saving our planet is the thing to do! Looting and polluting, is not the way. Hear what Captain Planet, has to SAY!

“THE POWER IS YOURS!!!!”

(holy cow, I just recited that from memory)

LOL exactly what came to my mind as soon as I read the op.

I love emberglow after the legendary scepter.

Tei.1704:

LightningBlaze.4913:

The purpose behind his combo is to bring his opponent hp down. There’s no reason to make it more complex than that in 1v1 unless you are mostly/full bunker that just cares about being a punching bag during the duel. What’s wrong with a updraft within a few seconds after earthquake? If your opponent doesn’t break the first stun and it is about to come back up, you want to keep him at that knocked down state. When I used to play d/d and s/d I used to cast earthquake to prevent the Mesmer to start frenzy. Sometimes it was successful, sometimes it failed. Many that condemn Serane based on this video haven’t encounter him yet. If you do I’m sure he will be victorious unless you outnumber him.

I know the purpose behind it, but you have plenty of skills that can just get somebody low. There are only 2 skills that interrupt somebody on demand. If you just want to get some damage in, you might as well run at them with lightning whip or use burning speed. If you really want to hold them in place first, you can use magnetic grasp.

My point was that the skills were frequently wasted without doing anything. He wasn’t keeping a guy locked down. He was simply reacting slowly and poorly to what was going on. There isn’t anything wrong with using updraft and earthquake shortly after each other in principle. The issue was the specific time that it was used in.

I’m not trying to make it complicated. It’s really common sense that when your strong skills take a long time to recharge you shouldn’t squander them.

It’s perfectly fair to condemn someone based on a video they post. He took the time to pick these fights and edit them together. He posted a link to the video here. It’s fairly safe to say he takes some amount of pride in it. It may not be his best, but it’s fair to assume he’s at least showing how he usually plays. I don’t have to fight the guy to have valid critiques. I’m not even saying he is definitely bad. His video is just unimpressive.

I win the majority of fights where I’m not outnumbered too. That just proves being above average. Actually, it doesn’t even prove being above average in wvw because of consumables, guard stacks, gear differences and the complete lack of wvw 1v1 balance. Duels in wvw are such a joke that explicitly looking for duels just comes off as ego stroking to me.

I won’t continue with this discussion but I will tell you this last thing. Post a video of you dueling and see how many more criticisms you will receive based on your gameplay. It is so easy to criticize.

Once again I consider Serane the best d/d Ele I KNOW. It is just like many across my blackgate server and from other servers consider me to be the best. It is only natural after many people are giving you the same compliment, you start to believe it. However, it doesn’t make it completely true. Of course, there are many great players out there and the majority of them never even visit the forums.

Joseph.7213:

Those of us active in the PvP ele community know who’s good and who’s not, no need to argue among ourselves.

I have encountered many that considered themselves good in spvp are actually very amateur when they step up to WvW solo roaming.

Tei.1704:

Mattmatt.4962:

Am i the only who isnt impresionned by this video ?
I mean, he/she only shows fight where his/her build is the rock against the cissor. What about condi-spec ?

I am never impressed by ele videos. No, not even the few ones I record. Though, I’m not impressed because of things the op did. I doesn’t matter what he fought when he’s not really thinking about what he’s doing.

The op uses “combos” and cc without thought or purpose. The op uses updraft and earthquake within a few seconds of each other at one point. The enemy wasn’t using a key skill that would have screwed them had it been interrupted, and to top it off both skills miss. He tries to updraft a mesmer well after he uses stealth. He earthquakes a mesmer while it is in the middle of blurred frenzy. He may have been trying to time it for right when the evade ends, but he wasn’t close.

I’m not trolling or trying to start anything. I just didn’t see anything particularly skillful or entertaining.

The purpose behind his combo is to bring his opponent hp down. There’s no reason to make it more complex than that in 1v1 unless you are mostly/full bunker that just cares about being a punching bag during the duel. What’s wrong with a updraft within a few seconds after earthquake? If your opponent doesn’t break the first stun and it is about to come back up, you want to keep him at that knocked down state. When I used to play d/d and s/d I used to cast earthquake to prevent the Mesmer to start frenzy. Sometimes it was successful, sometimes it failed. Many that condemn Serane based on this video haven’t encounter him yet. If you do I’m sure he will be victorious unless you outnumber him.

Mystogan! fairy tail show is coming back in April! The experience varies by each individual. Personally if the thief is not abusing the broken constant/perm stealth mechanic after every single hit he is too easy, specially those that deal 12k+ or so damage in one hit. At op, just like any other mmo, the profession subforum is usually fill with negative aspects so don’t rely your decision based on what you read here. Try it yourself first before judging the profession.

ArmageddonAsh.6430:

Just picked up Applied Fortitude, with that and 25 stacks of Corruption. I should have 20,700Health, 1650 Toughness and 1650 Condition. This is before i upgrade 1 non-condition based item and upgrade 2 Exo condition based items. So should end up with between 21,000 and 21,500 health and around 1,800 Condition Damage. Toughness will be between 1700-1800 depending on the stats that i go with.

So far, i am really liking it.
1 Vs 1 I have made has been a mixed back so far. I have Made several thieves run neither of them condition based, killed a few warriors, Guardians, Necros and such but that could just be down to them not being that great

It is nice seeing Churning Earth doing 1k Bleeding Ticks and even with my lowish damage, crit chance and crit damage still can hit for like 3k damage alone, Burning does around 800-850 tick damage, Confusion ticks around 5-600 for the 3 stack one and can get higher if i get interrupt and the 4/6 proc and Torment is around 200 per tick if they are moving. Bleeding i have managed to get to go up to 2k ticks

Props for trying something new with a positive attitude. That’s a huge part to keep improving with this profession.

Hackuuna.4085:

If your opponents are getting quality fights they will keep coming out to play. Ultimately that makes the game more fun for everyone and is the kind of culture that has developed on Maguuma.

It is most certainly a culture that distinguish Magguma server from the rest. At least comparing to tier 1 servers. I have been in Blackgate since the start of this game and never seen this happen outside of duel environment. I wonder what tier 3 servers have to offer. Will definitely transfer to one tier 3 server after a few weeks from now.

I have never experienced this during all the time I spent on tier 1 bg server. When fighting 1v1 against a magguma opponent in the open field and two or more magguma roamers are approaching yet they don’t interfere. Instead they do /cheer emote or /no emote to their mate if he tries to run away to survive but still dies. As soon as one gets defeated another one joins in and the rest stays back, sort of like an elimination round. At the beginning I thought it was the moral of only the first 3 players but during this weekend I have already experienced this scenario more than 6 times across all the borderlands and with different players from various guilds. It was awesome and a unique experience that didn’t take place in a duel, mutual accordance setting.

I got hit that hard when I used to run 2500ish armor by a single backstab yet still come out victorious. Of course I have always been and will always be the burst non-glass type even when i started with d/d. Maybe because of that reason thieves were always the easiest to defeat on 1v1. You should all know by now that without burst direct damage or burst condition damage you won’t defeat a good thief player. Only average to low skilled thief will die to anything less than burst.

Wintel.4873:

LightningBlaze.4913:

Yea full zerk thief damage is insane but they die just as easily as they can kill you if only you counter or avoid the follow up hit. When fighting these type of thieves players it is all about how fast your reaction is after you get hit once. If your reaction is a bit too slow you will suffer defeat but if your reflexes are fast enough you will gain an easy victory. Of course you need to burst just as fast as well.

Thing is though, Thieves typically open the fight so in order to survive you end up blowing cooldowns – the moment you attack back, they’ll either spam evades or stealth + re-open withstun.
Any thief that knows what they are doing should never lose to a glass/zerk Ele.

The there’s the issue of class difficulty…the skill and timing required to play Ele effectively is just on another level. A thief doesn’t need anywhere near that much skill and has plenty of room for mistakes.

A glass Ele will get downed at the first successful hit from a glass thief in WvW. A burst non glass Ele like myself can last at least 2 hits from a full burst buffed glass thief. That second hit resistance is all that is necessary to recover, counter and bring down these thieves even if they evade or try to stealth as soon as they hit you once. Of course this is only my experience against skillful known thief players in WvW tier 1 trying different tests in duels…..:..so just take it with a grain of salt.

Yea full zerk thief damage is insane but they die just as easily as they can kill you if only you counter or avoid the follow up hit. When fighting these type of thieves players it is all about how fast your reaction is after you get hit once. If your reaction is a bit too slow you will suffer defeat but if your reflexes are fast enough you will gain an easy victory. Of course you need to burst just as fast as well.

Any defensive support build like 0/10/0/30/30 or full glass builds as long you are good at positioning yourself and avoiding direct damage at start.

I love Ele mobility with fgs even with s/f. Fgs with lightning flash is very high mobility. On very rare times I find fgs to be on cd when I need it even if I previously use it in combat.

I’m starting to wonder that too even my burst ele that has 3200 with rock barrier and 18k of hp still gets damaged real hard by a glass thief. Of course I win but the damage that thief does on one hit is still very high. The main survival tool on any profession is to be able to keep healing yourself back up. Without a good amount of toughness your regen/heal would be negated by the higher amount of damage you are receiving per second.

Axialbloom.8109:

There is no truly viable condition build for eles. I have tried everything, and they all fall short.

You haven’t try everything. None of us have. Maybe in spvp but in wvw there are many very good viable builds that with the help of the individual player skill they become even more powerful including condition builds for ele.

I got to admit during the first 6 months after I reached lvl 80 I didn’t like my asura at all. I found it too small to see any of my cool looking weapons and the armor used to look very ugly to me. I wanted a sexy human female instead. The consumable makeup item was released and I immediately took it to increase the size of my asura. Now she was at max size and the weapons were clearly visible. After that I started to love the animations, emotes (specially the /threaten and /laugh) and now I even love how a few armor look amazing on her for my liking.

I have met a few condition based eles that are very but very impressive with different type of builds and weapon set. You can be sure there are builds out there being used by very few players way before it is ever known here in the forums.

Ill post mine when i get home. Nothing beats the adorable animation, size and look of an Asura ^^.

Awesome videos to watch James. Keep dominating with the ele!

Zelyhn.8069:

LordByron.8369:

Only tip:
play with a guardian.

Bad tip.
Better tip: do not play with guardians, as much as possible.

The reason for this is that guardians trivialise many encounters. Therefore you hardly spot your mistakes and you never improve. The day that you have to face difficult content or guardians are not here to hold your hand then you will fail.

Totally agree, specially in fractal where so many rely on guardian on the lava boss when they are not needed if the players are good with their professions.

I don’t run armor of earth or 30 points in water yet I can defeat many that do with ease. My only complain is buffing a dagger skill (burning speed) that is already very strong when there are other weapon skills that do need attention and are ignored.

I totally see more group applying this and then zerg victims complaining and having the ele skill or damage nerf xD. It was awesome to watch!

Mbelch.9028:

SonOfKrypton.4357:

virtue.7235:

Hey guys,

a lot of you may know me or heard of me but i dont really post on the forums
i havnt made a roaming or dueling video in a while due to lack of interest but recently i found my self excited to play again. so i decided to once again make more roaming and dueling videos.

here is the latest one from this week
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1qgxZnz89k

hope you guys enjoy
im currently on TC so if any of you would like to test your skills against mine, feel free to whisper me in game.

Also if any of you are interested in WvW and GvG content, you can find a lot on my channel.

As for build, i dont give it out so there is no point in even asking. your best bet is to contact me in game and ask me questions.

Who is ths noob? U cleerly no nothing about elementlust. Not ven braking stun when it happen. Pls dnt post ur tryhard videeohs on here when ur obvs a huge noob. Tht was a srs waiste of my life nd tyme I wll nvr get back. thx noob.

Bahahah. You literally just said this to one of the best eles in the game. You “cleerly” are a troll and I hope nobody feeds you further.

Serane is a noooooooob. Trolling is fun.

Serane, the best d/d Ele I know.. Build along doesn’t make the player. Others can run the same build/gear and still don’t perform as good. I felt the same way with not sharing build back when most of the eles were dd and didn’t know how burst with this profession without being glassy. I always find that on every mmo, skillful players never ask for builds, they always create their own or enhance/customize existing ones.

oscuro.9720:

How are elementalists at 1vX

You will only win against bad players on 1vx with any profession/build so my recommendation is to never incline yourself towards that scenario. Not even thieves and Mesmers stand a chance to win against two good players all by themselves………. Well at least theiy can escape with stealth. With that said if you are a good player with whatever profession you will dominate all those beginners or lower skillful players on 1vx settings.

Hopefully the weapon skins are amazing looking

My favorite is a mix of soldier, zerker, valkirie, cavelier, and knight (celestial used to be part of this but with time I started hating it). These 5 gear choices are my favorite because it balance out the stats I focus on with whatever burst non-glassy build I execute.

yep it happens to me with fgs

1. Ranger
2. Ele
3. Engi

My vote is for the ranger, follow by my main ele. Gotta be reasonable ranger needs the most help atm.

How do you stay alive in pve? Simple dodge and seeing you are using scepter it is even easier with keeping yourself at range. It is that easy.

DreamyAbaddon.3265:

Fuzzion.2504:

I dont have time to watch em. Can i get a summary?

If you don’t have time to watch 2 videos wich are 30 seconds… Then you don’t have time to respond and make a comment… Which you did anyways. =/

No, the summary is on the videos.
Short and simple presentation visually for all to see.

Sorry if this sounds rude. Not sure how to be nice about it.

Edit: The thread is asking the community which video they like best in combat when looking at Daggers & Staff.

Based on this type of reply, i didn’t even bothered on clicking on those links anymore. Good job op….