As true as Odin’s spear flies,
There is nowhere to hide.
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so, epic lulz from cliffside.
i saw some BP’s trying to take the wall down(twice, failed first time, so they went back to the same spot) so i remembered that temporal curtain can pull backwards. the entire bp squad was near the edge and you can guess what happened.
Good fight Bp. (i was the mesmer that just ruined your afternoon)
was pretty cute how you brought 3x the numbers when you came back the third time though! (that isn’t learning from your mistake that’s zerging, you could’ve just y’know…put the pult out of my range)
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interesting ideas, but i prefer my tank/rifle. run into a lot of confused thieves, got about 3.2k armor right now, just working on increasing vit.
you want more representation in spvp? blow other players’ minds by not using a longbow in a match.(when i’m in there i go for those longbow users first because it’s funny seeing them scramble around trying to keep me at distance.)
with sword/dagger theres maybe 3 seconds where i CANT dodge. it amazes me that people think you can’t.(turn off the autoattack and press 1.) with the +50% endurance gain and lightning reflexes combined with 3 dodges on weapons alone ….the only way you’ll believe for a fact it’s viable is to go into WvWvW and find your self in the middle of a zerg dodging almost everything.
I know we are in a 3 way battle, but why would {NEX} from GoM stop one person on AR from hitting a BP target? You guys working for BP? Would have been a lot smarter to let me take the door/wall down on the tower and take it yourself then to do everything you could to get to me and stop me from hitting the walls.
why would BP zerg something that you failed to? just happened at redbriar. oh wait, just happened again. AR zerged something bp failed to
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sometimes at the northernmost exit to the citadel spawn, it seems to sometimes not have the invuln/no siege buff(?) and sometimes it doesn’t. is that a bug?
woke up this morning to GOMBL being completely green, BPBL being completely green, ARBL being completely blue.
getting sick of this teaming nonsense. seen it enough to deduce it isn’t coincidence.AR has more defenders then GoM, its only common sense to hit GoM BL with little resistance for the points then it is to attack AR who actually has defenders. If it was teaming then there would be blue on some of GoM BL. Dont be paranoid about teaming, you’re just the weakest link and easiest targets.
we’re the weakest targets because of transfers. you’re the weakest targets when i get you alone.
if you want to call what i was seeing last night paranoia, for example, AR showing up with a zerg when BP’s failed and vice versa then that’s fine with me. BP will fall off their high horse when they move up, so do what you want.
GoM has been down so long we’re almost taking a liking to being kicked while we are.
woke up this morning to GOMBL being completely green, BPBL being completely green, ARBL being completely blue.
getting sick of this teaming nonsense. seen it enough to deduce it isn’t coincidence.
I’m so glad we got transfers, it makes winning this extremely trivial part of the game so easy : )
Seriously, I don’t know where these transfers you say are. I will say we have more population than usual which is strange, maybe its a bunch of ship jumpers who see we’ve won the past 3 matches and have a pretty active WvW comparatively.
you’re winning, we get it. you don’t have to be so arrogant. every bandwagon guild who switched will eventually get whats coming. enjoy the next tier. it’ll wipe that smile right off your face.
as you can see from the waypoint in our overlook, GoM simply isn’t interested in fighting zerg servers. even match with AR though.
Holy bejebus you guys again? Ive only been pvping for like 3-4 weeks and im already tired of fighting the same people over and over. Sort of glad i was on vacation last week i guess.
Go go GoM. ( I know, it aint looking good for the home team.)
Thats the thing, we have less numbers probably for that reason alone.
Not to mention Borlis Spawn Camping us again
well that and there are barely any original GoM’s left.
So here’s the math.
If each server was to hold exactly an even amount of points distributed between all of the maps, they would hold 231.67 tally points every 15 mins. Each home BL is worth 145 pts. EB is worth 260. If you split EB in half and add SM into the numbers plus your home BL you’d tick 292.50 pts (293) every 15 mins. Considering that if all servers had an equal share at 231.67 (232) if you hold all of your home BL plus 1/2 of EB and SM, and you managed to keep all of it without it turning over (flipping)….you could win a weekly matchup.
That’s the numbers in a perfect situation and I wasn’t incorrect. Now in the “real world” that’s not going to happen. However, using those numbers you can see just how little you have to control in order to stay ahead. Yes there is a severe problem in lack of populations and the numbers become skewed relatively easily by the “winning” side, but it is all a sliding scale as to what you need to control and when you need to control it in order to get ahead or catch up or whatever you’re in it for.
I disagree. In a perfect situation, all three servers would have an equal share of EB. The only thing that would differentiate the three servers would be who can control Stonemist the most during tally times.
ooooor the borderlands and how much of it you control.
pretty awesome how AR and Bp aren’t fighting each other…again.
Looks like BP has a good start. Maybe they’ll move up a tier next week and ET will move down. I hope we (GoM) and AR put up enough fight that DR stays in the bottom tier for at least another week.
the only way AR will be putting up a good fight is if they stop letting BP do all their dirty work and fight their own battles against GoM.
nice to see bp trying to spawn camp already. what exactly are you so afraid of?
does AR or BP players have screen caps of the GoM person that glitched into your spawn? please post here if you do. GoM will have nothing to do with this player.
The 5-man Healing limit nerf has basically trashed any sort of group healing in WvW. The only reliable heal now is on yourself.
I was trying to protect a ram operator at a siege on my Guardian, by using my staff skills (Empower and the Orb of Light) and my Heal on Dodge. However, no matter, what I did I could not seem to heal the guy. The heals would always go to someone else. It was incredibly frustrating.
If ArenaNet is not going to reverse the 5-man heal nerf, then targeted heals have to be introduced. Otherwise, group healing is no longer viable in their game.
Wvw, spvp, and other things, would be completely dependent on a healer class. i for one do not want to go back to a game where you cannot do anything anywhere without someone spamming heals on you.
i’m sorry, what? i’m having trouble deciphering not only the validity of your complaint but the way you’re arguing it. portal isn’t an exploit. are you to blame the mesmer that other people can use his or her portal?
actually, don’t change thief at all. i rather enjoy 2-shotting them while they take forever to fail at dropping me. glass cannon can be countered by excessive armor. their damage gets significantly less problematic once you hit ~2700 armor.
i use knight’s/invader’s exotic pieces with superior runes of the engineer. long fights are long.
scores are getting closer
‘xxx is busting out some moves, some sweet dance moves’
haven’t seen taht since beta
- cries reading Khronus’ post *
cries looking at your BL go fight AR now.
Interesting read 4 when i make my mega engi feedback thread.
that would be redundant considering the size of the one that exists.
depending on the class i’m playing it varies between viking metal and industrial and gothrock(lolnecro)
I didn’t create this thread to here kids crying about pointless things. I expect much more out of GOM players than complaining about being spawn camped. Take a look at ANY game EVER created that has a SPAWN AREA. There is spawn camping and there always will be. When I set up ballistas and arrow carts in front of the enemies spawn, you will be right there with me killing them. There is no sportsmanship in WAR. Kill your enemy and kill them again. Once you own the entire map, you have nothing else to do but leave to a new zone or defend. GUESS WHAT!?!? They are defending their home by keeping you in yours.
Not to mention, you do not have to go straight out to the tower. There are two magical paths that lead you to 2 DIFFERENT supply camps. Learn them.
i guess it’s strategic to keep the biggest threat in their spawn. other than that i see no point to it. besides khronus, if that kind of thing keeps happening you should take pride in being that threat, yeah?
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BP will leave this bracket next week so long as we don’t lose by a very large margin. ET is dropping like a stone, and so is HoD, this pushes everyone up.
you might have to worry about that if GoM only had to deal with BP instead of both BP and AR at the same time.
fear is a weakness.
the more posts like this i see, the more i believe people think the insanely short amount of time it takes to hit level 80 needs to be even shorter.
gear will never be scaled here, sorry. WvW is why you PvE. unless you want all the instance exotics for show only?(game’s called guild wars people get with the program)
Don’t worry, AR and BP decided they were sick of us (as in spawn camping with siege in the first 5 min, you know who you are). If this keeps us, we will probably be in a lower tier next week.
obviously they’re afraid judging from that and what’s going on. strength and honor, GoM.
EDIT: i recall BP calling us a zerg server wednesday.
we seem to really good at flame wars. thread will probably closed soon. guess we should all put up and shut up.
No we don’t have the population
I’m trying to understand something here, and perhaps a respresentative from Borlis pass can answer this question.
my group loves to fight borlis players, and this week you guys have shown your numbers again compared to last week. I am sitting here now as anvil rock throws everyone we can in arb to defend against your forces, and it seems equivalent to the numbers gom is showing up on their own map, plus eb.
The real threat to your lead is GoM, so i’m trying to figure out why you guys aren’t hitting gom, but instead spending your time here at arb, when arb has pretty much left you guys alone this week, at least my guild has, and has gone after GoM for posting how “dominating” they are in last weeks match up.
My question is, with all your numbers, are you spending your time fighting ARB, because your afraid to fight GoM? Just wondering, because as I see both your borderlands hardly change to either color often, but yet ARB gets green and blue majority of the time, I can only imagine this answer as a “yes”.
GoM will continue to fill two maps with their players, and hit ARB, while owning majority of the places in eb. They will catch up to you borlis pass, and I suspect if you continue to hit ARB and you don’t slow down GoM, they will surpass your score. If this continues, I may have to reconsider not leaving you guys alone on your map, since all of you seem to be hell bent on taking arb all the time. We could just have another repeat of last week, where ARB and BP fights it out while GoM takes everything else and sits in fortified, untouched towers and keeps. Because the two underdog servers in this match up can’t get it in their heads, that GoM is the threat in this tier, and not each other.
i’m sorry, but with AR, it’s personal. GoM will be coming for you day and night. that’s just the way it is.
strange that the server colored red is complaining about the heat in the kitchen.Oh good,
I’m glad it’s personal makes the fights more interesting and it shows the true colors of this server called "GoM’.
Only talent you guys have is running around in “mobs”, definitly showing that skill there, since Borlis seems to have the upper hand on you guys now since AR has focused on you guys this time around.
I know personally, this guild will continue to hit everything green. Better have your best gear on, and protect your homeland. Oh, and you might want to continue spawn camping, it’s like the only organizational strategy that works well for you.
like i’ve said before, GoM has never had numbers like this. and considering half of YOURS are former GoM..you can ignore that fact from dawn till dusk if you like.
No we don’t have the population
I’m trying to understand something here, and perhaps a respresentative from Borlis pass can answer this question.
my group loves to fight borlis players, and this week you guys have shown your numbers again compared to last week. I am sitting here now as anvil rock throws everyone we can in arb to defend against your forces, and it seems equivalent to the numbers gom is showing up on their own map, plus eb.
The real threat to your lead is GoM, so i’m trying to figure out why you guys aren’t hitting gom, but instead spending your time here at arb, when arb has pretty much left you guys alone this week, at least my guild has, and has gone after GoM for posting how “dominating” they are in last weeks match up.
My question is, with all your numbers, are you spending your time fighting ARB, because your afraid to fight GoM? Just wondering, because as I see both your borderlands hardly change to either color often, but yet ARB gets green and blue majority of the time, I can only imagine this answer as a “yes”.
GoM will continue to fill two maps with their players, and hit ARB, while owning majority of the places in eb. They will catch up to you borlis pass, and I suspect if you continue to hit ARB and you don’t slow down GoM, they will surpass your score. If this continues, I may have to reconsider not leaving you guys alone on your map, since all of you seem to be hell bent on taking arb all the time. We could just have another repeat of last week, where ARB and BP fights it out while GoM takes everything else and sits in fortified, untouched towers and keeps. Because the two underdog servers in this match up can’t get it in their heads, that GoM is the threat in this tier, and not each other.
i’m sorry, but with AR, it’s personal. GoM will be coming for you day and night. that’s just the way it is.
strange that the server colored red is complaining about the heat in the kitchen.
i made a charr engineer because i thought it would be (and it is) hilarious to see a gigantic cat firing a shotgun.
i hope in my life time we (IRL humans) discover a charr equivalent race on earth. that way the goal to hug every cat is within reach.
ehh the blunderbuss argument is a pretty big stretch. There are a handful of rifle skins that look like they could be a blunderbuss, but the vast majority of them look like rifles or shotguns.
See for yourself,
http://imgur.com/a/yQ9Kl#44Looks aside, they’re called rifles in-game; not blunderbusses (blunderbi? /shrug), so Anet’s intentions are pretty clear regarding what they are; even if they overstepped the boundaries of correct nomenclature in a few instances in order to give us a larger variety of skins to choose from.
the blunderbuss was a precursor to the modern day shotgun. and considering early models of the shotgun(circa 1860’s) were lever action, i wouldn’t mind there being an animation involved with that(Guild rifle is almost an exact replica of the Winchester ’73, save for the bigger barrel.)
With my Engineer, my group usually relies on me to tank the enemies while bursting them down really quickly. I’ve changed my build from a power/prec/cond build to basically a wall of kevlar and dragonskin. i don’t play support as engineer but i end up doing so unintentionally, i’ll find a group in wvwvw, run with them, and refer to my first sentence. i run no kits, unless mortar counts, sometimes i swap out my hidden pistol for the ‘nade kits when i’m hitting a tower(again, only if my mortar isn’t pumping lead out) i run rifle and i’m usually able to stay in the thick of a fight for longer than anyone else. I’m running 3k armor right now and hoping to up it by at least another 500.
maybe ‘tank’ counts as support?
sorry, but i have to ask, did BP get a mass amount of world transfers this week? or is it just weekend madness? it’s just weird that Bp has enough to defend SM AND capture things on other BL’s. maybe i’m too used to GOM being outmanned.
considering the point of crafting in GW2 seems to be leveling, i’m wondering if there’s even any way to profit from it. i’m a high level jeweler and it’s doing everything but sucking in profits.
GoM has had less trouble taking SM than the trouble we just had taking Greenlake on BP border.
bravo pass.
you’re complaining about a tactical maneuver and failing to address it. you want to not be flanked? try to pound some thought process into your groups to not completely focus on the frontal objective.
blunderbuss as a 3 hit combo…mmmm come at me thief. also considering the guild rifle skin…how about making it a real shot gun? i mean that’s definitely ol’ faithful. the auto attack should be a weaker blunderbuss skill. i wouldn’t mind losing the 1200 range to about ~600. that’s what net shot is for
besides, hitting a keep with eng rifle is just…no. that’s why we have grenades.
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HA HA if you dont want to play support then go play another profession- maybe that y engineers dont whine and moan as much? We dont expect to do big number damage- as Eviator said dungeons and small teamed grouped events go wayyy smoother with an engineer thats because of the support they do. i know that the ‘holy trinity’ has been abolished in favour of damage/control/support and all proffessions are not equal in these areas. This is what makes the proffessions different to play – not just the animations but the whole play style. In any other mmo a support class(healing is supporting) would not expect to do high end damage- In fact i can support spec and still burn(:)) my way through Pve more so than i could in other mmos as a healer. So +1 to Anet for making Pve as a support enjoyable. . . . Theres an old saying from far distant lands – “if i wanna go to the moors i better take my thief” and this game is no different.
I love the variety and “quirkiness”
i hit guardians and warriors for 2.5k with blunderbuss. if i don’t, obviously i’m doign about 1.4k to them, and the fight will last 10 freaking minutes. every class expects a quick fight against all engineers. even i do on my own engineer because most go berserker’s stat allocation. hope for their sake i don’t find them.
Elemental is better.
Necro Mark are only good if you traits for it (few build doesn’t trait for staff). Also, they dont do crazy damage. If you use it with epidemic, you can do some damage, but usualy people just cure condition and come back.
Perssonnaly, the best `Wall AoE caster for me would be engineer with grenade build
1500 range + no CD #1 + grenade barrage + condition = crazy.
Seriously, Engineer are prolly the best Siege machine around.
i’ll second that. the second people notice the grenades hitting them it seems they run to a different wall and it’s pretty nice. rinse and repeat and take the tower.
Mesmer is the most broken class in-game. You are simply garbage if you can’t carry with this broken class. Seriously can’t wait til it gets nerfed to balance so enjoy it for now.
Hate to say it, but yes in WVW Mesmer is the most brokenly op class there is.
People will rage, but that’s just the truth. I hate thieves backstab, but honestly mesmers need to be balanced before anything else gets changed. Then they can balance thieves etc.
people base the OP of mesmer on staff and sword/pistol mesmers. that’s quite possibly the dumbest thing ever. they’re SO easy to kill.
ranger long bow , full berserker and you can insta kill ppl from 1500, ele is not friendly beginner at all, mesmer stinks when it comes to chase your ennemy, warrior is just not a solo class, guardian same thing than warrior, thief most oped class in this game but so so so boring to play after a day or two, necro lol why does this class even exist yet ? only good at sticking a zerg and feeling pretty useless, engineer can insta kill thing with grenade barrage and big oil bomb sync but then you are pretty much dead cuz this class has no dodge skills at all
to sum up : thief 1st choice for kitten ranger second choice for kitten 3rd choice for kitten none
you are so incorrect about engineer i almost feel the need to blunderbuss you. yeah we do a lot of damage, and yes theres a steep learning curve to this class, buuuuut once you find out how to get over the curve, (i mean it takes 2-3 people to down me) you’re basically spitting lead.
that’s it. here’s your thread again. and a pic for lulz.
by the way, that siege isn’t there anymore.
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Impressive, it wasn’t even out yet at this time last year :p
Nearly one month :/
Anyway, the pop of serv french seem to having a big drop :/
it came out november 11th. beta testing=/=game release.
this may have been thread topic before, and considering the potential size of Guild Wars 2, but Naval Warfare would be an incredible fit to this part of the game. I do expect the game type to increase in size exponentially, and i think a sub-game type of WvW like naval warfare would show who really has the capability and who really deserves that commander tag.
Successfully conquered Eternal Battlegrounds. Wiped out AR zerg and finally taking down the last fort (the fully fortified & supplied) Red Keep.
Good game ARs!
lol this is funny,
trying to brag because GOM = zerg fest army, while the other two can’t fit more than 20 players on a map.
This whole week has been dull and boring, I’ve stayed up late at nights to only witness just how each server seems to “conquer”
I’ll start with mine, so it doesn’t seem like i’m favoring one group.
Anvil Rock has about a 20 – 30 size force that hits BP borderlands when they have nobody defending, and we even have a smaller one sometimes hitting and “conquering” eb, while borth servers seem to be away.
GoM – You guys seem to be able to fill two maps with tons of players when you finally wake up from your slumber, the times i’ve witness your PvD playstyle in ARB, is when your going after all our towers and keeps, smashing your entire force into the gates, and honestly you don’t even need siege gear because you have so many players hitting the gates. Wait let’s throw a golem or two so you guys can claim “strategy” and “tactics” was used.
Borlis – Same thing with you guys, you guys run through with large numbers smashing into our gates with similar “conquer” mentality, when honestly it’s just a zerg.
What ever happened to playing against players fella’s, we had so much fun fighting the last two weeks against each other, when did we finally get to the point of figuering out each of our sleeping habits to fight gates instead of players.
My guild held Redlake tower in Gom the other day for 5 hours. After we spent Majority of the day wiping Gom forces chasing our camp raiding party, I had alts of 10 – 15 members from my guild. We defended redlake from GoM and borlis in GoM borderlands from multiple waves/attempts. Eventually GoM must have called in for reinforcements, because we finally lost to double, almost tripple our numbers. We just saw a sea of red. In the end this same force started spawn camping, which at this time we moved on to a different map.
My guild will continue to hit both sides, infact which ever borderland gives us the out manned buff, the better. we will be there to stirr the pot, and hopefully you guys will come out and play and attempt to interfer with our camp raids.
Good luck to all, and let’s continue to have a decent match.
that’s certainly the first time GoM has been accused of ‘zerg festing’
that by the way is a fact. very first time. we’ve been outnumbered at LEAST 3:1 since week 1 so you can shove it.Really? Cause the other day it was a good 80+ of you that ran over the 10 people I had at hills. Not sure where the 3:1 number is coming from, no way that is accurate.
obviously nothing i say will convince you. have a lovely week. i’ll see you in the field.
Successfully conquered Eternal Battlegrounds. Wiped out AR zerg and finally taking down the last fort (the fully fortified & supplied) Red Keep.
Good game ARs!
lol this is funny,
trying to brag because GOM = zerg fest army, while the other two can’t fit more than 20 players on a map.
This whole week has been dull and boring, I’ve stayed up late at nights to only witness just how each server seems to “conquer”
I’ll start with mine, so it doesn’t seem like i’m favoring one group.
Anvil Rock has about a 20 – 30 size force that hits BP borderlands when they have nobody defending, and we even have a smaller one sometimes hitting and “conquering” eb, while borth servers seem to be away.
GoM – You guys seem to be able to fill two maps with tons of players when you finally wake up from your slumber, the times i’ve witness your PvD playstyle in ARB, is when your going after all our towers and keeps, smashing your entire force into the gates, and honestly you don’t even need siege gear because you have so many players hitting the gates. Wait let’s throw a golem or two so you guys can claim “strategy” and “tactics” was used.
Borlis – Same thing with you guys, you guys run through with large numbers smashing into our gates with similar “conquer” mentality, when honestly it’s just a zerg.
What ever happened to playing against players fella’s, we had so much fun fighting the last two weeks against each other, when did we finally get to the point of figuering out each of our sleeping habits to fight gates instead of players.
My guild held Redlake tower in Gom the other day for 5 hours. After we spent Majority of the day wiping Gom forces chasing our camp raiding party, I had alts of 10 – 15 members from my guild. We defended redlake from GoM and borlis in GoM borderlands from multiple waves/attempts. Eventually GoM must have called in for reinforcements, because we finally lost to double, almost tripple our numbers. We just saw a sea of red. In the end this same force started spawn camping, which at this time we moved on to a different map.
My guild will continue to hit both sides, infact which ever borderland gives us the out manned buff, the better. we will be there to stirr the pot, and hopefully you guys will come out and play and attempt to interfer with our camp raids.
Good luck to all, and let’s continue to have a decent match.
that’s certainly the first time GoM has been accused of ‘zerg festing’
that by the way is a fact. very first time. we’ve been outnumbered at LEAST 3:1 since week 1 so you can shove it.I expect a remark like this from a weak player, especially when i’m calling out all 3 servers here.
Hey light, how about you fight us on even numbers, oh wait you probably did and got wiped. The truth just hurts, and maybe your not noticing it because you got your blinders on when your smashing the gates of both servers since nobody seems to be defending.
gg
obviously you did not read what i said and juxtaposed your own opinion. whatever helps you sleep at night. want another fact? this is the first even match we’ve had in weeks. this is the first time we’ve actually HAD this kind of mob. believing me is your prerogative though.
Successfully conquered Eternal Battlegrounds. Wiped out AR zerg and finally taking down the last fort (the fully fortified & supplied) Red Keep.
Good game ARs!
lol this is funny,
trying to brag because GOM = zerg fest army, while the other two can’t fit more than 20 players on a map.
This whole week has been dull and boring, I’ve stayed up late at nights to only witness just how each server seems to “conquer”
I’ll start with mine, so it doesn’t seem like i’m favoring one group.
Anvil Rock has about a 20 – 30 size force that hits BP borderlands when they have nobody defending, and we even have a smaller one sometimes hitting and “conquering” eb, while borth servers seem to be away.
GoM – You guys seem to be able to fill two maps with tons of players when you finally wake up from your slumber, the times i’ve witness your PvD playstyle in ARB, is when your going after all our towers and keeps, smashing your entire force into the gates, and honestly you don’t even need siege gear because you have so many players hitting the gates. Wait let’s throw a golem or two so you guys can claim “strategy” and “tactics” was used.
Borlis – Same thing with you guys, you guys run through with large numbers smashing into our gates with similar “conquer” mentality, when honestly it’s just a zerg.
What ever happened to playing against players fella’s, we had so much fun fighting the last two weeks against each other, when did we finally get to the point of figuering out each of our sleeping habits to fight gates instead of players.
My guild held Redlake tower in Gom the other day for 5 hours. After we spent Majority of the day wiping Gom forces chasing our camp raiding party, I had alts of 10 – 15 members from my guild. We defended redlake from GoM and borlis in GoM borderlands from multiple waves/attempts. Eventually GoM must have called in for reinforcements, because we finally lost to double, almost tripple our numbers. We just saw a sea of red. In the end this same force started spawn camping, which at this time we moved on to a different map.
My guild will continue to hit both sides, infact which ever borderland gives us the out manned buff, the better. we will be there to stirr the pot, and hopefully you guys will come out and play and attempt to interfer with our camp raids.
Good luck to all, and let’s continue to have a decent match.
that’s certainly the first time GoM has been accused of ‘zerg festing’
that by the way is a fact. very first time. we’ve been outnumbered at LEAST 3:1 since week 1 so you can shove it.
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