My apologies to those I offended with my posts last week. I got off on a tangent and continued arguing way past the point of it being productive. I am stubborn like that sometimes and fail to see the bigger picture when I am in that rut. Probably why I am good at those suicide siege killing runs.
Anyways, here is to a good week fighting. Good luck out there.
I most certainly wasn’t offended. And please know I wasn’t purposefully trying to antagonize you or embarrass you in any way. I was mostly taking the “O.o What the what is going on here? Let’s continue the conversation to see if we can reach a resolution” stance. Apologies if the intent of my posts was not clear and the intent of my responses came across differently. :-/
And I think all of us WvWers are a might bit stubborn. It’s what draws us in and keeps us playing in the best and the worst of circumstances.
Chaos Spatulai [Chef] | Paragon City Elite [PCE]
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I have lost any respect for the SF guild POPO you like to kill a single person going up to the windmill to see about a duel (which is a known duel spot). If I am up at windmill dueling and I see any POPO guild tag you are KOS to me now you are warned.
I have lost any respect for anyone who likes to kill a single person who is only trying to catch up with their commander! O…M…G…the nerve.
I have lost any respect for anyone who likes to kill a single person who is only trying to cap south supply camp all by their lonesome! O…M…G…the nerve.
I have lost any respect for anyone who likes to kill a single person who is only trying to get supply from south supply camp all by themselves. O…M…G…the nerve.
Seriously though, ‘tis the nature of WvW. There’s a ton of reasons why someone could be roaming solo. And most of those reasons aren’t innocuous. The risk of death at the hands of one or many is the risk one takes when they are roaming solo (whatever the reason).
That said, it would be really nice for ArenaNet to implement some sort of dueling functionality to the sPvP system so folks who enjoy dueling don’t have to rely on WvW to get their duel fix.
P.S. The windmill is a dueling spot? Good to know.
Chaos Spatulai [Chef] | Paragon City Elite [PCE]
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I like how people are quick to forget the epic fail of Lost Shores.
Some of the population got precursors at the end, and this caused a riot on the forums. People were on here complaining about how unfair it was and about how they did not get one, and so on.
I wonder how many of you I will see on here moaning about the same thing if they do decide to do this.
The Lost Shores precursor uproar wasn’t because folks were bitter that they did not get precursor. It was because 1) the chance at a precursor drop was linked to a one-time event that was only available for a couple hours, 2) folks who had other obligations (like work) or lived in other time zones (like our Oceanic players, who couldn’t attend the event because it was mid-morning Monday in their time zone) had zero opportunity at even the chance of a precursor, 3) folks who disconnected during the fiasco of an event finale and were unable to get back in before the end of the event lost the opportunity at getting a precursor (until ArenaNet later made those people whole).
As a vocal opponent to how ArenaNet handled the Lost Shores finale, I’d actually be quite happy if ArenaNet included the chance for a precursor drop with the Flame & Frost event so long as they make it flexible enough that all time zones can participate and players are better able to work it around their real life schedules.
Chaos Spatulai [Chef] | Paragon City Elite [PCE]
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Maybe if the population of ET and FC continues to decline, the 2 servers may be merged to make a more cohesive force to fight SF and thus fix the Glicko situation.
But then it wouldn’t be WvWvW anymore, but just WvW.
Chaos Spatulai [Chef] | Paragon City Elite [PCE]
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I don’t know if Dark Omens is an FC or an ET, but if he is FC I apologize.
While the sentiment is appreciated, you shouldn’t feel the need to apologize on behalf of your server for the bad manners of another individual. Their actions reflect upon them and them alone.
Hah, figured out how to quote!
And thank you, that is good to hear. I wanted to apologize because I wanted to make sure an individual’s behavior wouldn’t reflect on the rest of the server. Since you guys have made it clear that won’t happen, yay!
Sometimes folks on these forums will talk in sweeping generalizations about other servers, but folks are oftentimes quick to point out that the actions of one (or few) do not necessarily reflect the views or actions of the server as a whole. I certainly can’t speak on behalf of my whole server, but it seemed pretty obvious to me (after being in this tier with ET and FC for so lont) that Dark Omens’ sentiment don’t represent their server as a whole (whichever server that is).
P.S. Congratulations on your newfound quoting ability!
Chaos Spatulai [Chef] | Paragon City Elite [PCE]
Henge of Denravi
I cannot respect people that win with vastly numbers and laugh on your dead corpse.
I cannot respect people that say you are bad when they cleary have numeric superiority.
I cannot respect people that think that their adversaries are nothing but cowards that do not come out to fight, when in fact people are out there trying to fight, but due lack of contingent, it appear there is no one.
I also cannot respect FilthyRat because he’s a better troll than me.
I’m none of those things, so we’re cool, right?
Chaos Spatulai [Chef] | Paragon City Elite [PCE]
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EDIT…Moobs, is there any way to change the shipping info on your order? Google unfortunately still spits out ArenaNet’s old Main Street address. Their new address (per ANet’s website) is…
ArenaNet, LLC.
3180 139th Ave SE
5th Floor
Bellevue, WA 98005
I’ve driven past the building before and have seen the ArenaNet logo on the building with my own eyes. So I can confirm that the above 139th Avenue SE address is accurate.
Chaos Spatulai [Chef] | Paragon City Elite [PCE]
Henge of Denravi
I don’t know if Dark Omens is an FC or an ET, but if he is FC I apologize.
While the sentiment is appreciated, you shouldn’t feel the need to apologize on behalf of your server for the bad manners of another individual. Their actions reflect upon them and them alone.
Chaos Spatulai [Chef] | Paragon City Elite [PCE]
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lol idc what sf does or doesn’t do they will get no respect from me for anything so dance away on bodies and /laugh…. ill b doing it to u till u become T7s meat for the grinder.
Disrespect generate more disrespect…
True that. There was a huge corpse dancing spree in this tier back in early February and all sides got pretty grumpy about it. The match threads devolved into a “he said/she said” argument about which server started it in the first place and which server was the most guilty. And the problem ended up feeding into itself as more and more people started doing it to “get back” at those who did it to them. Only when folks on all sides learned to walk away and not perpetuate the problem did the corpse dancing die down.
I’m certain there are some folks who still do it, but the practice isn’t nearly as widespread as it was in February.
Chaos Spatulai [Chef] | Paragon City Elite [PCE]
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And to SF, you guys really need to stop being so kitteny all the time, half the posts I see on this forum regarding you guys is mainly a bunch of qq about how HoD should move down and you should move up, just play the game, if it happens it’ll happen, don’t whine to the world about wanting to move up.
A manual switch of HoD and SF’s positions does absolutely nothing to fix the underlying issue. And those in T8 who have a solid understanding of the T8 Glicko Ghetto issue and have been vocal supporters of a fix do not support such a swap.
But to be fair, it does seem with the current rating system, SF’s only hope of clawing their way out of the tier is to wait for another server to perform perform poorly enough that they drop down into T8. There does not seem to be any way that SF can escape the Glicko Ghetto on our on volition. We’ve been been in this tier since the beginning of the year and dominating the tier for 7-8 weeks straight. But it’s one step forward, two steps back with the way Glicko works. We’ll be doing awesome, but then have a rating backslide because we “underperformed” per Glicko’s standards (we’ll still be completely roflstomping, but Glicko penalizes us for not meeting or beating our previous score). It’s a rather crummy situation when you win the match, win said match by a landslide, but yet loose significant rating for “underperforming” (not to mention that when that happened, we were second from the bottom in the NA rating deltas…as in, we nearly lost the most rating out of every NA server, despite winning by a landslide).
Sadly, the scoring system is set up in such a way that causes people to hope another server does poorly so they can actually have a shot at a higher tier. :-/
Chaos Spatulai [Chef] | Paragon City Elite [PCE]
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I think the difference in scores are given in %, thus why even with such small scores as the ones we had we could see a change of ratings… And since ET and FC had a higher ppt than they usually do, the % gap problably got smaller…
This would not surprise me one bit. Especially given that during the first hour after reset, SF was showing a -240 rating projection when we were briefly in third place.
In fact I’m afraid to say that SF will have to go on steroids and put at least 500k this week to move out (and still have to depend on HoD). Anything less than that wouldn’t provide enough rating, and if you get less than 400k that will give a backslide.
That’s my thought as well. Totally reasonable of Glicko, isn’t it? :p
Chaos Spatulai [Chef] | Paragon City Elite [PCE]
Henge of Denravi
So far, Sorrow’s will gain 38 rating if they keep the gap between scores… While it’s not enough to beat HoD, which have a artificial 20 rating gain, it means that SF is at least working at full force and might aswell get out of the Glicko’s Pit of Despair.
And i’ll tell to ya, if they ever do this, you can call those guys heroes and give’em a medal, because HoD (or whatever server is the next one in the line) will be fated to never leave…
Never go off of mos.millennium’s reset day projections. They’re always skewed. That 38 rating increase projection dropped to a 9.7 rating increase projection overnight. My guess is that as the week goes on, that rating increase projection will likely disappear (and perhaps even go negative) despite our best efforts.
Forgive my pessimism…Glicko has given me very little reason to be optimistic. And this is all quite reminiscent of the 2/15-3/1 match-ups.
“All this has happened before. All this will happen again.”
Chaos Spatulai [Chef] | Paragon City Elite [PCE]
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Actually what the OP is asking for could actually be BETTER than using transmute stones.
Why?
Currently we are LOCKED in to specific stat bonuses for armours. Example:
Berserker: Power/Precision/Critical Damage.
Now what if I wanted Power/Toughness/Vitality? Currently this does not exsist as far as I am aware. They would have to add another named set and add it to the crafting tables. If they instead added items that let us choose which 3 stats we want for late game armour I think this would be a better idea for giving us more variety in stats/builds.
well actually ++power +toughness +vitality sets do exist though
If this is true name the set. I have lvl 400 in Leatherworking and have not seen this set yet.
the JP in EB is basically this:
- Someone mentions there is a mesmer in there for 5 minutes porting people.
- Every body goes there, ports to the top, loots the chest and goes back to fighting on the map
I never spent more than 3 mins in the JP and I thought nobody did
Even if someone has to run the puzzle, it shouldn’t take someone more than 10-15 minutes once you have the puzzle memorized.
Chaos Spatulai [Chef] | Paragon City Elite [PCE]
Henge of Denravi
This is the match that never ends.
It just goes on and on my friends.
Some people started playing it not knowing what it was,
And they’ll continue playing it forever just because . . .
/thread
Manoa wins
Wait, you can win without PvP? Huh, who woulda thunk?
Sadly missing reset night. I have a lot of work to be done in order to meet my appraisal deadline. :-/
Chaos Spatulai [Chef] | Paragon City Elite [PCE]
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This is the match that never ends.
It just goes on and on my friends.
Some people started playing it not knowing what it was,
And they’ll continue playing it forever just because . . .
Chaos Spatulai [Chef] | Paragon City Elite [PCE]
Henge of Denravi
Oh…oh my! SF got up to a final score 402K. That’s a point spread of 296K points between 1st and 2nd place. And is a larger point spread than what we saw in the 2/15-2/22 match-up (252K spread). When we “underperformed” the following 2/22-3/1 match-up (by “only” winning by 127K points), we lost 52 rating and was second from the bottom when it came to the NA score deltas (i.e. we very nearly lost the most points out of all the NA servers).
I’m willing to bet that at the end of this week’s match, Glicko will yet punish us with a large rating decrease again next week for “underperforming.” Because really, how realistic is it to expect us to meet or beat a 296K point spread?
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Chaos Spatulai [Chef] | Paragon City Elite [PCE]
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And as for the coming from a fellow servermate, take this for example. Where you work, if you see a report that someone on your team sends out to everyone that has a numbers mistake/error, do you email everyone and tell them they screwed up their calculations and that they should make sure they are accurate in everything they do? Or do you email that person and notify them of the mistake?
At my job, it all depends on who received the erroneous info. If the mistake was sent out to a group, the error is pointed out to the entire group for the benefit of all those who received the erroneous information (so they know not to rely on the error). I have been on both the giving and receiving end of this at my job. If the mistake was made privately (i.e. I alone received the report and no other eyes touched the erroneous information), the correction is done so privately.
I’m sorry you’re taking my posts as “attacking you.” Know that this was never my intent and I regret that you took at such. My intent was (and always has been) to ensure the accurate information is available for the benefit of all who may be following this thread.
Now something that’s a bit more on-topic than “who’s right, who’s wrong” and “how should someone be corrected in a public forum” stuff, I noticed Jeknar just posted the following score update in T8’s match-up thread…
This point spread is QUITE reminiscent of the scores we saw in the 2/15-2/22 match-up. It’ll be interesting to see how this impacts our rating delta next Friday (for next week’s match-up). I have a gut feeling Glicko will yet punish us with a rating decrease again next week for “underperforming” if we don’t meet or beat this week’s point spread.
Chaos Spatulai [Chef] | Paragon City Elite [PCE]
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It doesn’t mean nothing. The whole point of these threads is the broken rating math causing a dominating server to stay stuck in the server for far longer than it should. So the timeframe of domination (and getting said timeframe accurate) is quite relevant to the conversation. And we’ve only been dominating since the January 18-25 match-up (7-8 weeks depending on if you count from the beginning or the end of that match).
EDIT – Look, this isn’t meant as a personal attack Cantur. I continue this partciular line of conversation because it IS something that is entirely relevant to the conversation and I wholeheartedly feel if we are going to be providing the developers (and other servers) with feedback on this issue, we should be completely accurate and honest about the timeframe.
I do not remember anyone stating HoD deserved to be stuck in T8. What I do recall is everyone agrees SF deserves to move up based on the +/- 3 months of domination.
Cantur, you keep using this “3 months of domination” figure in these threads, but it isn’t accurate. We’ve only been in T8 since January 4th, so that’s only little over 2 months total that we’ve been in T8. And we’ve only been dominating since the January 18-25 match-up (so that’s roughly 1.5 month of domination, not 3 months as you’ve been claiming).
Now, it could very well be the case that it’ll take 3 months of domination for us to claw our way out of the Glicko Ghetto. But we haven’t dominated for 3 months yet.
Hence the +/- right before the figure.
Considering that we’ve been dominating for only half the time of your “+/- 3 months of domination,” that’s an incredibly wide variance for that +/-. As someone who uses +/- quite frequently in her profession, it’s usually used as a stand in for “roughly.” As in, “I don’t have the precise number, but this is a pretty close and accurate rough figure.” And we’re nowhere near dominating for “roughly 3 months” yet. 3 months is basically doubling the time period that we’ve actually been dominating the tier and hyperinflates the figure.
I advise you to start using “+/- 1.5 months” for a more accurate description of the situation.
Technically, it’s 2.5 now. Unless you’re referring to the roflstomping, in which case 1.5 – 2 is more accurate.
For some reason this really matters enough to make all these posts over something that really means nothing. When they could have just PM’d me.
It doesn’t mean nothing. The whole point of these threads is the broken rating math causing a dominating server to stay stuck in the server for far longer than it should. So the timeframe of domination (and getting said timeframe accurate) is quite relevant to the conversation. And we’ve only been dominating since the January 18-25 match-up (7-8 weeks depending on if you count from the beginning or the end of that match).
So you felt the need to call me out publicly (and keep doing it) about a month discrepancy instead of sending me a PM which would not have clogged up this thread which further deteriorates the validity of this entire thread?
Good on ya, mate.
To be frank, a month to a month-and-a-half discrepancy is a pretty large discrepancy when you’re dealing with only a handful of months to begin with (as it hyperinflates the number to 1.5x to 2x the actual number).
And is that what you’re grumpy about? That you were wrong and you got called out in public about it? This was not the first time that your “+/- 3 months of domination” idea isn’t entirely accurate was brought to your attention in public. You dismissed it before and then posted it again. I had hoped that correction coming from a fellow servermate would have gone over a little bit better. If I were on the receiving end, I would have graciously thanked the fellow servermate for correcting me and just moved on instead of dismissing the feedback and insisting that their point didn’t matter and was completely invalid.
Because let’s be honest, the domination timeframe IS a completely valid issue in these posts. It’s the whole point of these Glicko Ghetto threads.
Chaos Spatulai [Chef] | Paragon City Elite [PCE]
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I do not remember anyone stating HoD deserved to be stuck in T8. What I do recall is everyone agrees SF deserves to move up based on the +/- 3 months of domination.
Cantur, you keep using this “3 months of domination” figure in these threads, but it isn’t accurate. We’ve only been in T8 since January 4th, so that’s only little over 2 months total that we’ve been in T8. And we’ve only been dominating since the January 18-25 match-up (so that’s roughly 1.5 month of domination, not 3 months as you’ve been claiming).
Now, it could very well be the case that it’ll take 3 months of domination for us to claw our way out of the Glicko Ghetto. But we haven’t dominated for 3 months yet.
Hence the +/- right before the figure.
Considering that we’ve been dominating for only half the time of your “+/- 3 months of domination,” that’s an incredibly wide variance for that +/-. As someone who uses +/- quite frequently in her profession, it’s usually used as a stand in for “roughly.” As in, “I don’t have the precise number, but this is a pretty close and accurate rough figure.” And we’re nowhere near dominating for “roughly 3 months” yet. 3 months is basically doubling the time period that we’ve actually been dominating the tier and hyperinflates the figure.
I advise you to start using “+/- 1.5 months” for a more accurate description of the situation.
Technically, it’s 2.5 now. Unless you’re referring to the roflstomping, in which case 1.5 – 2 is more accurate.
For some reason this really matters enough to make all these posts over something that really means nothing. When they could have just PM’d me.
It doesn’t mean nothing. The whole point of these threads is the broken rating math causing a dominating server to stay stuck in the server for far longer than it should. So the timeframe of domination (and getting said timeframe accurate) is quite relevant to the conversation. And we’ve only been dominating since the January 18-25 match-up (7-8 weeks depending on if you count from the beginning or the end of that match, which is roughly 1.50-1.75 month if you want to get as specific as possible ).
EDIT – Look, this isn’t meant as a personal attack Cantur. I continue this partciular line of conversation because it IS something that is entirely relevant to the conversation and I wholeheartedly feel if we are going to be providing the developers (and other servers) with feedback on this issue, we should be completely accurate and honest about the timeframe. And I personally find doubling the actual timeframe to be a wee bit disingenuous to our cause.
Chaos Spatulai [Chef] | Paragon City Elite [PCE]
Henge of Denravi
I do not remember anyone stating HoD deserved to be stuck in T8. What I do recall is everyone agrees SF deserves to move up based on the +/- 3 months of domination.
Cantur, you keep using this “3 months of domination” figure in these threads, but it isn’t accurate. We’ve only been in T8 since January 4th, so that’s only little over 2 months total that we’ve been in T8. And we’ve only been dominating since the January 18-25 match-up (so that’s roughly 1.5 month of domination, not 3 months as you’ve been claiming).
Now, it could very well be the case that it’ll take 3 months of domination for us to claw our way out of the Glicko Ghetto. But we haven’t dominated for 3 months yet.
Hence the +/- right before the figure.
Considering that we’ve been dominating for only half the time of your “+/- 3 months of domination,” that’s an incredibly wide variance for that +/-. As someone who uses +/- quite frequently in her profession, it’s usually used as a stand in for “roughly.” As in, “I don’t have the precise number, but this is a pretty close and accurate rough figure.” And we’re nowhere near dominating for “roughly 3 months” yet. 3 months is basically doubling the time period that we’ve actually been dominating the tier and hyperinflates the figure.
I advise you to start using “+/- 1.5 months” for a more accurate description of the situation.
Thanks for the advice but does it really matter?
Accuracy always matters.
LOL, to an accountant maybe. Never in complaining/whining.
I’m not an accountant. But do deal with numbers and maths on a daily basis.
Basically, my point is to not double the number. It doesn’t lend credibility to your side of the argument.
LOL ok, you say tomato, I say tomato.
So tomahtoes are twice as large as tomaytoes? :p
Chaos Spatulai [Chef] | Paragon City Elite [PCE]
Henge of Denravi
I do not remember anyone stating HoD deserved to be stuck in T8. What I do recall is everyone agrees SF deserves to move up based on the +/- 3 months of domination.
Cantur, you keep using this “3 months of domination” figure in these threads, but it isn’t accurate. We’ve only been in T8 since January 4th, so that’s only little over 2 months total that we’ve been in T8. And we’ve only been dominating since the January 18-25 match-up (so that’s roughly 1.5 month of domination, not 3 months as you’ve been claiming).
Now, it could very well be the case that it’ll take 3 months of domination for us to claw our way out of the Glicko Ghetto. But we haven’t dominated for 3 months yet.
Hence the +/- right before the figure.
Considering that we’ve been dominating for only half the time of your “+/- 3 months of domination,” that’s an incredibly wide variance for that +/-. As someone who uses +/- quite frequently in her profession, it’s usually used as a stand in for “roughly.” As in, “I don’t have the precise number, but this is a pretty close and accurate rough figure.” And we’re nowhere near dominating for “roughly 3 months” yet. 3 months is basically doubling the time period that we’ve actually been dominating the tier and hyperinflates the figure.
I advise you to start using “+/- 1.5 months” for a more accurate description of the situation.
Thanks for the advice but does it really matter?
Accuracy always matters.
LOL, to an accountant maybe. Never in complaining/whining.
I’m not an accountant. But do deal with numbers and maths on a daily basis.
Basically, my point is to not double the number. It doesn’t lend credibility to your side of the argument.
Chaos Spatulai [Chef] | Paragon City Elite [PCE]
Henge of Denravi
I do not remember anyone stating HoD deserved to be stuck in T8. What I do recall is everyone agrees SF deserves to move up based on the +/- 3 months of domination.
Cantur, you keep using this “3 months of domination” figure in these threads, but it isn’t accurate. We’ve only been in T8 since January 4th, so that’s only little over 2 months total that we’ve been in T8. And we’ve only been dominating since the January 18-25 match-up (so that’s roughly 1.5 month of domination, not 3 months as you’ve been claiming).
Now, it could very well be the case that it’ll take 3 months of domination for us to claw our way out of the Glicko Ghetto. But we haven’t dominated for 3 months yet.
Hence the +/- right before the figure.
Considering that we’ve been dominating for only half the time of your “+/- 3 months of domination,” that’s an incredibly wide variance for that +/-. As someone who uses +/- quite frequently in her profession, it’s usually used as a stand in for “roughly.” As in, “I don’t have the precise number, but this is a pretty close and accurate rough figure.” And we’re nowhere near dominating for “roughly 3 months” yet. 3 months is basically doubling the time period that we’ve actually been dominating the tier and hyperinflates the figure.
I advise you to start using “+/- 1.5 months” for a more accurate description of the situation.
Technically, it’s 2.5 now. Unless you’re referring to the roflstomping, in which case 1.5 – 2 is more accurate.
Considering Cantur was talking about “domination,” I was indeed referring to the roflstomping. See here for the start of the conversation.
I do not remember anyone stating HoD deserved to be stuck in T8. What I do recall is everyone agrees SF deserves to move up based on the +/- 3 months of domination.
Cantur, you keep using this “3 months of domination” figure in these threads, but it isn’t accurate. We’ve only been in T8 since January 4th, so that’s only little over 2 months total that we’ve been in T8. And we’ve only been dominating since the January 18-25 match-up (so that’s roughly 1.5 month of domination, not 3 months as you’ve been claiming).
Now, it could very well be the case that it’ll take 3 months of domination for us to claw our way out of the Glicko Ghetto. But we haven’t dominated for 3 months yet.
Hence the +/- right before the figure.
Considering that we’ve been dominating for only half the time of your “+/- 3 months of domination,” that’s an incredibly wide variance for that +/-. As someone who uses +/- quite frequently in her profession, it’s usually used as a stand in for “roughly.” As in, “I don’t have the precise number, but this is a pretty close and accurate rough figure.” And we’re nowhere near dominating for “roughly 3 months” yet. 3 months is basically doubling the time period that we’ve actually been dominating the tier and hyperinflates the figure.
I advise you to start using “+/- 1.5 months” for a more accurate description of the situation.
Thanks for the advice but does it really matter?
It may feel like 3 months, we’re nowhere near that time frame yet. Let’s keep things as accurate as possible. ’Cause accuracy always matters.
Chaos Spatulai [Chef] | Paragon City Elite [PCE]
Henge of Denravi
I do not remember anyone stating HoD deserved to be stuck in T8. What I do recall is everyone agrees SF deserves to move up based on the +/- 3 months of domination.
Cantur, you keep using this “3 months of domination” figure in these threads, but it isn’t accurate. We’ve only been in T8 since January 4th, so that’s only little over 2 months total that we’ve been in T8. And we’ve only been dominating since the January 18-25 match-up (so that’s roughly 1.5 month of domination, not 3 months as you’ve been claiming).
Now, it could very well be the case that it’ll take 3 months of domination for us to claw our way out of the Glicko Ghetto. But we haven’t dominated for 3 months yet.
If we didn’t have people give up a couple of weeks ago we would have been out of here also if you look at the score board history we never lost points during our domination until two weeks ago. (except the first week we won in the tier)
I’m not 100% confident that that would have been the case. Sure, we did have folks who took a break to get some PvE stuff done. But we still do. The problem lies more with Glicko itself.
Glicko looks at past performance to project its expected future performance for the servers. If you look at the rating history for the Feb 15-22 match-up, we performed INCREDIBLY well that week. We had a final score of 384K, beating out the second place server by 252K that week (ET scored 132K during that match). Glicko expected us to perform the same or even better for the following match-up. Which is an unrealistic expectation compared to how we did in the match-ups up to that point. When we “only” won by 126K the following match-up (287K for us vs. 161K for ET), Glicko punished us with a massive 53 rating backslide for “underperforming.” The problem is, that 126K win wasn’t “underperforming.” It was actually within a reasonable variance of the point spreads for the vast majority of our blowout wins up until that point. The 252K win was anomalous based on our past performance. However, Glicko established a new expectation for how we should perform based on that anomalous match, and we were penalized heavily for it.
The rating math had a LOT more to do with our rating backslide than SFers “giving up.” We actually kinda screwed ourselves for trying too hard that one week.
Chaos Spatulai [Chef] | Paragon City Elite [PCE]
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I do not remember anyone stating HoD deserved to be stuck in T8. What I do recall is everyone agrees SF deserves to move up based on the +/- 3 months of domination.
Cantur, you keep using this “3 months of domination” figure in these threads, but it isn’t accurate. We’ve only been in T8 since January 4th, so that’s only little over 2 months total that we’ve been in T8. And we’ve only been dominating since the January 18-25 match-up (so that’s roughly 1.5 month of domination, not 3 months as you’ve been claiming).
Now, it could very well be the case that it’ll take 3 months of domination for us to claw our way out of the Glicko Ghetto. But we haven’t dominated for 3 months yet.
Hence the +/- right before the figure.
Considering that we’ve been dominating for only half the time of your “+/- 3 months of domination,” that’s an incredibly wide variance for that +/-. As someone who uses +/- quite frequently in her profession, it’s usually used as a stand in for “roughly.” As in, “I don’t have the precise number, but this is a pretty close and accurate rough figure.” And we’re nowhere near dominating for “roughly 3 months” yet. 3 months is basically doubling the time period that we’ve actually been dominating the tier and hyperinflates the figure.
I advise you to start using “+/- 1.5 months” for a more accurate description of the situation.
Chaos Spatulai [Chef] | Paragon City Elite [PCE]
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I do not remember anyone stating HoD deserved to be stuck in T8. What I do recall is everyone agrees SF deserves to move up based on the +/- 3 months of domination.
Cantur, you keep using this “3 months of domination” figure in these threads, but it isn’t accurate. We’ve only been in T8 since January 4th, so that’s only little over 2 months total that we’ve been in T8. And we’ve only been dominating since the January 18-25 match-up (so that’s roughly 1.5 month of domination, not 3 months as you’ve been claiming).
Now, it could very well be the case that it’ll take 3 months of domination for us to claw our way out of the Glicko Ghetto. But we haven’t dominated for 3 months yet.
Chaos Spatulai [Chef] | Paragon City Elite [PCE]
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haha sorry. i had to poke some fun. i’m just teasing
I know. I’m just teasing back.
Also, I think there’s some functionality the Enjin boards to lock down specific areas of your forums, but leave other areas open to the public (I think creating and assigning user tags would be the easiest route). May be something to consider if you ever decide that you want your PvE sections to be open for guests from other servers, but your WvW section is locked down to verified servermates.
Chaos Spatulai [Chef] | Paragon City Elite [PCE]
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I didn’t take a week off when getting steamrolled by servers that actually could steamroll us 24/7, which SF is completely incapable of doing. I could personally could less if SF stays or leaves in T8. I am not a whiner about SF having superior numbers kinda guy. I play for the competition and I can do that against anyone. The less than favorable odds make the fights even that much more interesting for me. That’s why a lot of players still on ET have not jumped ship long ago. The fair weather fans left long ago.
So sorry furnance you gotta earn your way outa the glicko ghetto, no handouts from me nor do I expect others in ET would really jive with that from my experience. See you rallied with your troops earning points one cap at a time!
Wish I could do more than +1 this. This is a great attitude to take in WvW, and the only reason I remain in SF, as waaaay back, we were getting steamrolled 24/7, and I maintained an attitude akin to yours. I didn’t have to maintain that attitude nearly as long as you have, so I just wanted to pop in and post my respect. Keep up the good fight!
Agreed, I like that attitude also. I just do not like him trying to state “facts” about our server when he knows nothing about us.
Dude, I spy on your server all the time with my secondary account. That goes both ways yah know?
Ya, but I do not go around trying to tell you guys thing I do not know anything about. :P
Edit: Or, wait, are you accusing me of having a secondary account? Not sure why you brought that into it?
Perhaps he’s confusing you with everyone’s favorite Rat?
Chaos Spatulai [Chef] | Paragon City Elite [PCE]
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Right now it does look like ET will be heading back home to good ole’ Red. Unless we pull things together for a comeback. SF would be well served to keep on the gas through Friday rather than letting up. Also the ET morning crew seems to have severely dwindled this past week, perhaps due to burnout.
Nah. Loosing the match doesn’t mean you’ll drop to red. The green/blue/red designations are all about your standing in the ratings. ET will most certainly be dropping rating this week due to the loss, but it doesn’t look like you will be dropping nearly enough rating to be end up as red at tomorrow’s reset (you’d have to loose around 60 rating to drop below FC’s rating and get designated at red, but you’re currently projected to loose 42 rating). But unless ET steps it up, you guys could very likely end up back in red in a future match-up.
Chaos Spatulai [Chef] | Paragon City Elite [PCE]
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Funny thing is that if the rest of the world realized America is indeed the center of the universe, daylight savings time wouldn’t have trimmed an hour off our nighttime coverage gap :P
Wait…daylight saving is actually good for something??
Chaos Spatulai [Chef] | Paragon City Elite [PCE]
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Anyone with a competitive spirit would not want to be comfortable. Comfort breeds boredom, like doing a dungeon a hundred times, after a while, it becomes stale and stagnant, and you want to move on to something more, something new, something challenging.
That is why games put out new content all the time, that is why gamers want new content, or new games, or something to work for. They don’t want tedium to set in, hence why we play games.
And a gamer that wants to play competitive games, like WvWvW or PvP, while may enjoy the noob stomp from time to time, what really pulls a player into WvWvW is the hard fights, the tight fights, and the times when you bust though the wall and all chaos breaks loose.
Those are the moments that pull you back to the field.
Exactly!
I feel this video sums it up nicely. Methinks ANet’s WvW development team needs to walk down the hall and have a nice little chat with one of their company’s level artists.
I feel this video sums it up nicely. Methinks ANet’s WvW development team needs to walk down the hall and have a nice little chat with one of their company’s level artists.
Anytime! I stumbled upon it during the Mad King Jumping Puzzle outcry and love it.
Also, I feel the need to point out that the Sisyphean task should be the opponents, not the rating system itself.
SF is certainly the Sisyphean task for ET and FC, who have used the insurmountable odds and risk of failure to learn, grow and develop their strategies. (ET especially…seriously, hats off to ET for their defensive siege, I’m taking notes ). And there’s a pride of accomplishment when they overcome all odds to take an objective.
But for SF, the Sisyphean task (and our real enemy) is the rating system itself, not our WvW opponents. When the rating system is our Sisyphean task, there’s no risk for failure, no opportunity to learn, develop and grow. And no sense of accomplishment when we curbsomp the opposition for yet another week. Just frustration when our rating stagnates or backslides. With such stagnation and lack of challenge, people grow bored and seek out new challenges (either in PvE or in other servers).
Please know that this post isn’t intended to be a “poor pity us, the curbstompin’ winners.” But to illustrate the problem when you shift the Sisyphean task from WvW opponents to the rating system itself with the hope that any ArenaNet folks who may be reading understand why a certain level of volatility in the rating system is really needed.
Chaos Spatulai [Chef] | Paragon City Elite [PCE]
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1. Great posts Detharos. We may be opponents in the battlefield, but we are very much allies on this particular issue.
2. It’s clear the rating system is broken (especially for T8, but also for T1). Broken things very much should be fixed.
3. FC and ET WvWers transferring to higher servers does NOTHING to solve the issue at hand. In fact, it just further exacerbates the underlying problems of the broken rating system. Let’s look at an extreame case…if hypothetically all of WvWers in T8 abandon ship to higher tiers, it would just further topload the upper tier servers (creating more population discrepancy between the upper and lower tiers). And if nobody is hypothetically playing WvW on T8 servers anymore, you know what happens? The T8 Glicko Ghetto creeps up to higher tier servers and T7 becomes the new Glicko Ghetto. What then? Would your advice in that hypothetical scenario be for those T7 players to abandon ship to higher tier servers too? Now, it’s unlikely EVERYONE on T8 would transfer to higher tiers. But this does illustrates the underlying problem with the suggestion that “everyone should just transfer.”
Chaos Spatulai [Chef] | Paragon City Elite [PCE]
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Lol… not sure why you guys in ET stopped to fight the grub when you guys outnumbered us out here in EB. But you guys gave us enough time to put out calls for backup, nice job.
I spy at LEAST 25 ETers in that pic. :p
That was a very strange and bizarre fight. Pity I had to bow out mid-fight.
Chaos Spatulai [Chef] | Paragon City Elite [PCE]
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What happens if HoD moves down, dominates the two of you like they probably would? Just server transfer off if you enjoy wvw that much. Find a new home for yourselves because its not something that will be fixed any time soon, no matter how many forum threads you t8 guys make.
It appears that HoD may actually be a good fit for ET and FC. But we’ll never know until they drop down to T8 (or we SF folk somehow find a way to claw out of the T8 rating pit).
We on Henge of Denravi know your pain… We are greatly outnumbered 90% of the time. Just about 30 mins ago was 4 of us in EB trying to defend versus about 30+ Gates of Madness. Zerg Wars is not fun. Oh and we didn’t even get the Outmanned Buff, stupid excuse for a “Buff” anyways. I’m posting a video of it.
However, even with all the issues glicko presents, we have seen that while it takes a few weeks for the system to adjust to the population shifts, it DOES adjust, and eventually those worlds end up playing in competitive games again once they reach a tier that suits their current population.
We’ve been stuck in this tier since the beginning of the year. This tier is just NOT competitive. We’ve had well over a month of solid curbstomps with no escape from T8 in sight for SF (hurray for loosing points when we win by a very large margin!). And it’s frustrating when our enemies are not our server opponents, but Glicko itself.
Please let us know SOMETHING is being done to address the T8 issue (even if it’s the bog-standard “we’re looking into this issue” boilerplate response). The silence is deafening.
Chaos Spatulai [Chef] | Paragon City Elite [PCE]
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Oh, thank GAWD there are others on our server who kamakaze siege! Oftentimes, it feels like I’m the only one going on those kamakaze runs. :-/ When I see siege that’s preventing our people from getting in, it becomes my purpose in life to take said siege out. Had I been there for that fight, I would have been side-by-side with you and Katie.
LOL, it does feel quite lonely when you are dead in the middle of all those red tags and you look back and NOBODY followed your path of destruction. I leave people in the downed state all the time as I rush towards the siege. If a couple people followed me they could at least take those downed players out!
I hear you on that, kamikaze runs are so fun, for me at least! Hopefully we see each other around the maps more!
I <3 those kamikaze runs! I think suicide runs to take out siege is by far my most favorite part of WvW.
(Also, spelling fail in my earlier post. Bad Manoa. :p Need moar coffee!)
Chaos Spatulai [Chef] | Paragon City Elite [PCE]
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This has been my experience. Now, we certainly don’t have enough of a WvW population for complete coverage of all 4 maps. But during the majority of time slots, we most definitely have the population advantage over ET and FC.
Chaos Spatulai [Chef] | Paragon City Elite [PCE]
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Take the ET keep in EB last night. Most (all but 2 or 3) of my fellow SF servermates would not run into the inner keep because there were ballista and ac setup all over (our fault, we trebbed both sides open but nobody would listen to chat about which side to go to to push into so we gave them time to setup siege). I pushed in and attacked siege over and over (lost count after my fifth death and continued running from SM) until the siege was gone (Shout out to Katiebrie and the others who were doing the same). At that time the SF zerg decided they could rush in without dying and we capped it.
Oh, thank GAWD there are others on our server who kamakaze siege! Oftentimes, it feels like I’m the only one going on those kamakaze runs. :-/ When I see siege that’s preventing our people from getting in, it becomes my purpose in life to take said siege out. Had I been there for that fight, I would have been side-by-side with you and Katie.
Chaos Spatulai [Chef] | Paragon City Elite [PCE]
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Vorch, did you get the new waypoints that have been added to the world? Two were added last patch (Brisban Wildlands and Plains of Ashford) and two were added with last month’s patch (Cursed Shore and Straights of Devastation).
