Guild Wars 2

BlackTruth.6813:

You nerf Rampage, then you have to nerf the other cancers that is infesting this game.

Yes, please.

Sagat.3285:

Morwath.9817:

Because we don’t want to play MOBA?
If we would want to play one, we wouldn’t even bother with launching GW.

Your statement reminds me that SH will come back.

SH has nothing with kittened mobas >_>’
GW1 GvG is as old as DoTa (…)

Because we don’t want to play MOBA?
If we would want to play one, we wouldn’t even bother with launching GW.

Try always to use terrain where enemies can’t easy follow you.

T raw.4658:

If you really want to make a thread debating Teef v Ele I’ll participate but hope to God Anet doesn’t read it for the sake of your class.

Which one? ;-)

Cogbyrn.7283:

They specifically designed the game around not having cast bars, so you would have to watch the character and not some bars. I personally hope they don’t provide cast bars.

Lets watch silly little Asura and his animations >_>’

T raw.4658:

Mobility is the only reason thieves will be taken. Without it thieves have zero to offer to tpvp

+1

T raw.4658:

Morwath.9817:

T raw.4658:

Morwath.9817:

Mesmers and Thieves kill people out from stealth without any effort..
MM Necro isn’t competitive, but killed some random guy, everyone loses their minds.

I’ll give you mesmers as they are quite over the top right now. I don’t think you’ll find very many saying that isn’t true.

Thieves aren’t spiking you 100-0 from stealth mate. Its NOT possible, and only 1 specific build is going to reliably 100-0 you as a thief. If you actually die to that build then you were severely outplayed…..like you honestly need to be afk.

So, you’re trying to say that 11k Backstabs doesn’t happen? ;-)

You only run with 11k?

How much hp can have S/D Fresh Air Eles, if they want to do as much damage as Thieves and/or Mesmers?

Anyway going back to your question, no. I don’t run any number of HP right now, don’t even que until this post-patch mess will be fixed and PvP will be enjoyable once again.

T raw.4658:

Morwath.9817:

Mesmers and Thieves kill people out from stealth without any effort..
MM Necro isn’t competitive, but killed some random guy, everyone loses their minds.

I’ll give you mesmers as they are quite over the top right now. I don’t think you’ll find very many saying that isn’t true.

Thieves aren’t spiking you 100-0 from stealth mate. Its NOT possible, and only 1 specific build is going to reliably 100-0 you as a thief. If you actually die to that build then you were severely outplayed…..like you honestly need to be afk.

So, you’re trying to say that 11k Backstabs doesn’t happen? ;-)

Mesmers and Thieves kill people out from stealth without any effort..
MM Necro isn’t competitive, but killed some random guy, everyone loses their minds.

Teach Eura how to Ranger. Please.
Be sure you’re doing video of it, so I can enjoy my popcorn.

In which world you can chain-blind with burns as ele? ;-)

ilcane.3081:

I’m just arguing that the results are unsatisfactory, whether it’s part of the “GW2 game play philosophy” or not.

It’s one of the biggest issues of GW2.
They cover failures with “GW2 game play philosophy”…

Huh? Yday ESL winning team: 1 Cleric, 4 Zerkers/Marauder, clearly Bunker Meta.

Grimreaper.5370:

Alain, one of the best condition necros(terrormancer) I’ve ever met who used to absolutely DESTROY me before the patch can now barely tickle me. Although I should also note that corrupt boon is bugged at the moment and does not convert stability into fear…

CB corrupts boons in random order now…

I will repeat, GW1 did pretty well in this case, because:
→ After won match, you could stay with your team for next match (less ‘randoms’).
→ You could forfeit, so bad setup or horrible matchup? No problem, just surrender and start next match.

I agree, we need Health bars and Casting bars like in good old GW1. It would also be another step in eSport direction, since such things make games much easier to follow from spectator point of view.

TyPin.9860:

Sagat.3285:

Something tells me mesmer is next…

I don’t think so. Because no1 yet pointed consistently to what actually the “problem” is. And as long as people tell me, I should stop using PU, when I don’t use it anyways, it is mostly an issue of ignorance.

Disable all Mesmer traits, if you don’t know which one makes trouble? ;P

abclemons.7093:

Morwath.9817:

lighter.2708:

Morwath.9817:

lighter.2708:

have you dueled a burning guard as a rampage?..

try it

or even a semi ok ele.

I’ve seen Phanta dying to Rampage.
I guess hes a bit better than ‘semi ok ele’, but I may be wrong.

phanta literally died to all the thing in the game over 1000 times, does that mean everything should be nerfed to oblivion? the argument is real…

If something can be I win button vs one the best Eles in the game, then for sure it requires some changes. Also no idea why people consider adjusting same as nerfing to oblivion…

You’re right. The ele should always win; you’ve swayed us all.

For sure he shouldn’t lose just because someone used Elite skill.

lighter.2708:

Morwath.9817:

lighter.2708:

have you dueled a burning guard as a rampage?..

try it

or even a semi ok ele.

I’ve seen Phanta dying to Rampage.
I guess hes a bit better than ‘semi ok ele’, but I may be wrong.

phanta literally died to all the thing in the game over 1000 times, does that mean everything should be nerfed to oblivion? the argument is real…

If something can be I win button vs one the best Eles in the game, then for sure it requires some changes. Also no idea why people consider adjusting same as nerfing to oblivion…

lighter.2708:

have you dueled a burning guard as a rampage?..

try it

or even a semi ok ele.

I’ve seen Phanta dying to Rampage.
I guess hes a bit better than ‘semi ok ele’, but I may be wrong.

Especialy Rangers got one ridiculously tuned build… Oh wait, did I said “Rangers”?

…and oRNG played double Mesmer in it.
Was really painful to watch, how those kittens just shattered dreams of their enemies ;-(

P.S.
I think they would do much better, if they would drop Thief for 3rd Mesmer…

Adding new stuff won’t ‘fix’ Rangers, because old stuff will be still underpowred. Buffing some stuff across the board, e.g. Spirits/Traps and underpowred traits* would help Rangers being in line with other classes.

No, it’s not fair. Don’t drag Rangers here.

Thats why I always had faith in our dear Devs <3
However AoE Stealth sounds horrible…

Terrahero.9358:

lighter.2708:

really? chaith played ESL without grenadier

That trait was banned iirc.

Immediatly engi’s far less popular.

I don’t believe engi’s are in a good spot at all. Best bet is probably to go conditions, but even that you won’t do as good and if you run into one necro you are practically a free kill. To much very strong counterplay to going condition as engi.

Don’t forget Elixir Gun. Has tons of cleanses (however convertion of condis into boons isn’t an option since requires dropping sustain trait), you can also have cleanses with Med Kit.

I would dare to say, if they tone damage of power specs (e.g. Mesmers burst, backstab, bugged nades) then Settler condi-bunker-support with EGun, Med Kit, bunkerdown etc should be more than viable.

ResJudicator.7916:

Morwath.9817:

Solori.6025:

Morwath.9817:

jportell.2197:

Mesmer is finally able to compete for a spot on a team, everyone’s losing their minds. Most teams still run double ele, thief, warrior (zerker now), and engi…. nobody cares.

Mesmers are part of top teams since… 8 months minimum?

So I went back and looked for the teams that placed in the TOL world series.

Maybe I missed the memo, cause I didnt see mesmer in every team.

Isn’t TOL NA+EU…?
Mesmers weren’t played by NA teams at all in half year, thats because NA is so behind meta wise…

I wonder when people will realize that Mesmer (supported by Thief) was the best answer to Celestial meta.

Didn’t NA, which ran no mesmers, beat EU in the WTS?

Abjured got wrecked 2:0 by oRNG. However I don’t remember oRNG running Mesmer ever (with exception of last week when Frostball played instead of ROM).

Solori.6025:

Morwath.9817:

jportell.2197:

Mesmer is finally able to compete for a spot on a team, everyone’s losing their minds. Most teams still run double ele, thief, warrior (zerker now), and engi…. nobody cares.

Mesmers are part of top teams since… 8 months minimum?

So I went back and looked for the teams that placed in the TOL world series.

Maybe I missed the memo, cause I didnt see mesmer in every team.

Isn’t TOL NA+EU…?
Mesmers weren’t played by NA teams at all in half year, thats because NA is so behind meta wise…

I wonder when people will realize that Mesmer (supported by Thief) was the best answer to Celestial meta.

jportell.2197:

Morwath.9817:

jportell.2197:

Mesmer is finally able to compete for a spot on a team, everyone’s losing their minds. Most teams still run double ele, thief, warrior (zerker now), and engi…. nobody cares.

Mesmers are part of top teams since… 8 months minimum?

Teams that have won most major tournaments? Lol no.

Mesmers are part of EU meta since soooo long time.
Mesmers were used in nearly each game played by TCG or 55HP Monks and sometimes by other teams. That would mean Mesmers were more meta than Shoutbow for pretty long time, right?

jportell.2197:

Mesmer is finally able to compete for a spot on a team, everyone’s losing their minds. Most teams still run double ele, thief, warrior (zerker now), and engi…. nobody cares.

Mesmers are part of top teams since… 8 months minimum?

Milan.9035:

that is true we dont get much.

but what do the jumping puzzle only people get? a few jumping puzzles? does not seem like its worth 50.

to make my point you get the whole game, you play what you like.

Well, if someone will play PVP as Mesmer only. Then if Chronomancer won’t be viable, HoT is worth 0$ for him.

Pallar.5728:

If we’re optimistic and ANet releases more elite specializations in the future, I imagine they’ll be locked to HoT as well.

I imagine they will be locked to their own expansions.

Grimreaper.5370:

The only thing I find slightly absurd about mesmer is the potential amount of stealth they could use if traited for it with the right utility and weapon. Their dmg is kinda cray when traited to go full man mode, but common now we do need at least one profession who can go all in and destroy a bunker fairly quickly.

No we don’t, otherwise there is no point to bunker.

ronpierce.2760:

Grouch said they’re working on it internally. If I had to guess, the patch delays are because they want to fix a lot of things at once and want to better make sure they don’t have any more game breaking bugs as a result of this patch. I’ve heard from several sources there are fixes and changes (across the board) coming down the pipe, so just give it time, rest at ease that a fix is coming and they know.

Communication is the key. So far, we’re lacking it.

Twonineone.3490:

If the game is broken we can do something to repair it, can’t we?

Anyway, I’m not familiar with this way to solve the leavers problem, in GW1

You could surrender.

skowcia.8257:

Lol that pic. Who is Kui something? I thought mr fail i dont give a kitten Roy is a dev of ranger?

Complaing about GS mobility, I wonder when we will get Shortbow port nerf thread.

Lazze.9870:

We need the Robert Gee treatment. A dev that cares.

Disagree, I think Kui Calmon-Huang did pretty well.
We got more good changes than bad ones. Obviously Ranger requires a bit some more work, but it’s going in right direction.

People probably dodge Mesmers, grenade Engis etc… hard to blame them.

hisorange.3957:

The topic started as how rampage better than lich, worth a very short explanation: as a weapon / skill has more range it drops damage, you sacrifice safety for more damage, even tho rampage can hit hard it has to be in melee range, while lich can do 8k+ piercing attack from 1,200 range.

Also don’t wana go into too deeply, but it’s an ELITE skill it’s an ace in your stack ofc it has to do some miracle a player will pop an elite skill to turn the tides, not to remove 3 condition.

I agree other elits need to be buffed / changed tho.

Elites aren’t supposed to be ‘I win buttons’…

lighter.2708:

this argument can literally be used against 80% of the elites in game

Indeed, but we’re discussing Rampage in this thread ;-)
Warriors should ask themselves if they want:
→ superior Rampage while being inferior when it’s on CD;
or
→ good and balanced profession that can do fine with Rampage or any other Elite Skill

xbutcherx.3861:

First, warrior not only gets heal from Healing signet.

Obviously.

xbutcherx.3861:

Second, while on rampage you don’t heal at all

Adrenal Healing is triggering in Rampage, even when your Adrenaline bar is hidden.

xbutcherx.3861:

Third, you are asking for nerf for all classes, why? been a ranger sucks?

Not that I’ve written few posts above:
No. You need a Warrior to be worthy to pick without Elite.
Elite should be just cherry on top of balanced and useful class on it’s own. Elites shouldn’t be super strong, but should bring some interesting options.

Covis.6037:

they had 1 year to balance. 1 YEAR FOR 1 BALANCE PATCH. they didnt even test this patch its so broken… 1-2 hours of gameplay and u could already find major bugs that should have been cleared out, but no 1 week still nothing. not to mention completely broken class / game mechanics…

Quoted for truth.

xbutcherx.3861:

Laraley.7695:

xbutcherx.3861:

Laraley.7695:

Caedmon.6798:

Honestly…L2p instead of crying about an elite that’s FINALLY worth something.
Also,blinds/blocks/stabi/vulnerability/and keeping distance.Don’t pretend like u can’t do a thing vs em,besides you can still melt your condis on em aswell.

Can you really? With 50K hp?

You know while been in rampage you cannot heal right? 50K goes faster than 24k with healing.

Yes, but melt something with 50K hp is not really that easy if you’re in 2v2 with rampage for example.

A lot faster than trying to drop 24k with healing, you’d be amazed how fast can drop, plus a good warrior will wait until all 3 adrenaline bars are filled in order to use it because of the trait, means by the time a warrior uses the skill his HP will be at 75% already.

Signet heals 360-400 every second (depending on Amulet), so it will take 55 seconds to provide 20k passive healing from signet as zerker, while thats much longer than Rampage last…

butch.8136:

Yet everyone was complaining about the staleness off the game.
They balance, it’s kitten. They don’t do anything, it’s kitten. They can’t win.

Because they did it wrong. We would love often (monthly) patches with small tweaks to underpowred/overpowered stuff (which is the best way to polish things imho) rather than rework of everything thats full of bugs…

xbutcherx.3861:

I don’t get it, Rampage always been there and now you going to whine about it?

It got buffed. I guess thats the reason.

It would be good start.

stof.9341:

So, we got a 180s cooldown elite that is FINALY worthy of elite status it seems :p

No. You need a Warrior to be worthy to pick without Elite.
Elite should be just cherry on top of balanced and useful class on it’s own. Elites shouldn’t be super strong, but should bring some interesting options.

CETheLucid.3964:

Morwath.9817:

You’ve mentioned Healing Spring three times, my dear clueless boy…

CETheLucid.3964:

You know because if you really wanted to take something worthless to make an imaginary point to discredit me on, you could have picked where I said pets or how I mentioned healing spring twice.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Past_tense

CETheLucid.3964:

Healing Spring, traps, Entangle, spirits, pets… Healing Spring. Druid’s coming to nurse your team support needs you whiny baby.

Really?