Guild Wars 2

buying things on the TP never uses coins waiting for you to pick up. It always uses coins from your wallet.

it’s you.

^_^
I’m still not sure how much it was nerfed by that one time. some people were salvaging 200 CoF items and getting 20 ectos. Myself, I posted results from salvaging 100 rare weapons from the TP and got 80 ectos (instead of the expected 90)
anyways, I haven’t salvaged hundreds of rares in a while… not since luck was added, actually… for some reason it’s not as profitable anymore. but, the ones I do salvage from world bosses don’t seem too hinky

xephire.8324:

Vayne.8563:

xephire.8324:

Ill bet itll stay this way for another 2 years.

How much?

You are confused i meant i bet= to show that you feel a situation will happen in a particular way.

You guys should bet a high-five. when someone wins, just have your characters face each other, then both /wave

personally, I’m happy they nerfed dailies and monthlies. They shouldn’t be a primary source of anything. It’s not a bad idea that they give a little bit of a lot of things. but 50 is a bit low compared to the other things you get, especially when you consider how much you need to use those things on.
1 laurel = ~3% of an ascended amulet
1 Mystic coin = 0.4% needed for legendary or 1-10% needed for a forge weapon
5s = ~1-5% needed to buy exotic weapon
600 karma = 0.0595% needed for legendary
50 luck = 0.0012% needed for 300% mf

proportionally speaking, you get 1/50 as much luck as the next-lowest reward, and 1/1500 as much as the average. it should at least be proportional to your current luck level like gold is. so should karma, come to think of it.
I recommend keeping karma the same, but luck reward increases with your account’s luck (something like: at 100%, daily would give 1000 luck. at 299%, daily would give 3000 luck)

I believe that’s what Xunlai Electrum ingot and Crystalline Ingots are for (Xunlai would be equivalent to platinum – a metal, but a different type of metal, and Crystalline would be the gem)

well… one of those times we were right and there was an accidental nerf.

I wish these dragons were engagable before meta events. like: where are all these thousands of shatterers that just come out whenever we have siege equipment ready? I want a zone east of blazeridge where, instead of normal mobs, there are shatterers and mini shatterers that will one day grow up into the full thing. same for the sea west of sparkfly and the mountains north of frostgorge. of course, they aren’t angry over you attacking them, so they don’t have as many abilities, but they do walk around and have the same health and have giant aoe claw-swiping attacks that hit for 90% of your hp so you are likely to die (the dragons are a threat, after all, and we are barely able to kill them even when we focus them down with 100 people)

I like to tell people that celestial stats are pretty good for almost all builds. probably not the best, no where near the worst. all builds will likely have a stat type that works better than celestial, but celestial is not bad. I have yet to meet a build where celestial is in the bottom 70% worst stat choices you could use.

might have to reset your IP, too. best would just be to use a friend’s computer who has no interest in GW2. or use a search engine you don’t normally use, so they wouldn’t have previous info on your interests.

I’m mostly just surprised you found it. search feature doesn’t work, so you would of had to be clicking through the higher-number page tabs. or maybe google has indexes this page into their search results because it’s so old?

I’ve never had gold disappear on me.
I’ve seen people reporting it can take up to an hour for a transaction to go through.
Reports like these are rare, and usually fixed by someone picking up stuff from the TP several times (if the pickup tab is full you won’t get further stuff delivered until you retrieve the first stuffs).
unfortunately, any ticket you make has nothing to prove you owned anything before not getting what you should of (unless you were recording at the time?) – I doubt support will reimburse you.

I made a fun math spreadsheet
if you get 7 inscriptions from 10 salvages, these are the chances of that happening at these percent chance to get an inscription:
40% chance of inscription = 4.2% chance of getting 7 out of 10
50% chance of inscription = 11.7% chance of getting 7 out of 10
60% chance of inscription = 21.5% chance of getting 7 out of 10
70% chance of inscription = 26.7% chance of getting 7 out of 10
80% chance of inscription = 20.1% chance of getting 7 out of 10
90% chance of inscription = 5.7% chance of getting 7 out of 10
which is why I believe 50-90% is the rough ballpark for inscription returns.

anyone have larger sample sizes or know if Master vs. BLSK makes a difference?

I’ve always assumed they added time gates so there isn’t a huge rush to make it happen. If there was no time gate on celestial, for example, everyone would of gone out and made a set like it was any other set in the game – not something special.
ascended, for some reason, isn’t time gated. They might say it is, but it isn’t. In reality, it’s grind gated. every ascended requires 25 dungeons, 25 world events, 50 champions. If you’re going to point out the once-per-day material, I’ll point you to the TP that totally negates that. time-gating ascended materials was probably done so the market wasn’t completely flooded with them all at once, instead we ease into it. If this is the case, they should remove the limit a few months after ascended armor comes out.

well, other people I’ve read have reported 66%, 70%, 75%. some have reported 0%, but those may be what I’m experiencing (where some items give them and some don’t).
Myself, I’ve salvaged 10 Atlatl and got 7 inscriptions. I consider that proof that the rate is close to 70% – if the inscription can drop. Due to the low sample size, this can probably be up to like 20 off, so 50%-90% is my expected range. I figured 60% would be a safe lower guess.
If it turns out to be 70%, 20 failures in a row would be a 1 in 28,679,719,907 chance (if 1 salvage per second, this would happen once every 908 years). 80% would be 1 in 95,367,431,640,625. (once every 3 million years). 50% would be 1 in 1,048,576 (once every 12 days)

I have a few questions about this:
1) what can be salvaged that has a chance to return an inscription? All I’ve read so far indicate ‘any weapon that wasn’t crafted and has stats that the inscription to make those stats can’t be crafted’. I’ve tried salvaging a few exotics. 10 of each. King’s Remembrance gave 0 Magi’s inscriptions, Guild Defender gave 0 Soldier’s inscriptions, Atlatl gave 7 Shaman’s inscriptions. All 3 of these inscriptions can not be crafted, yet not all 3 were obtainable via salvaging. What other criteria is there?
for those who say I was just unlucky, I’ve calculated the odds of getting 0 inscriptions from 20 salvages, assuming 60% chance of success: 0.00000010995% = 1 in 90,949,470

2) what is the chance of recovering an inscription? a few people have some small sample sizes that say about 60-80%. anyone with over 100 salvages?

3) is there any difference in chances between Master Salvage Kit and Black Lion Salvage Kit?

from what I’ve read, people are seeing about a 66% chance to recover inscriptions. they didn’t mention kit used, but I’m assuming black lion salvage kit.
since there is no other percentage similar to 66, I’m guessing it has it’s own independent chance to drop.

it’s going to be really funny when ascended armor comes out in mid 2014 and people are like “my gossamer has disintegrated from lack of use! why did I stock up so early!?”

I’d like the 7th to be underwater breather but I think he just made a math mistake.

if it didn’t, it would take the same time to load the 2nd page as the first. what I observe is that it takes 2 minutes to load the first page, then instant for all future pages.

also, keep in mind that Black Lion Salvage Kits currently cost 60s per salvage (at 5g=100 gems). so the socket needs to be very valuable to make it worth it to use over Master Salvage Kit (like >3g), or you might get them for free and not have to worry about that.

If reporting a player for selling gold also blocked them at the same time, I would be soooo happy
If 20 unrelated (never contacted each other and not in the same guild) people reported a player for selling gold, then the system auto-muted that account for 24 hours, I would be soooo happy

listing fee is never 0. listing fee is 5% rounded up. ‘projected profits’ seems to round up as well, which is nice.
what I do: make people happy by filling buy orders for them on the TP for 1c. it costs me 1c to list it, and I get 1c when I pick up sale profits. definitely don’t lose money, but it is a waste of time.

the weird part: why does it load all 300,000 sales I’ve ever made, then only need to show me 10. at the least, it should only do the 10 currently visible and the 10 on either side of that page.

interesting interesting. to add to it: I searched for exotics scepters level 80 and went through it alphabetically and Immobulus wasn’t there.
I believe someone has to sell one for it to be added to the TP, but I see no reason someone would never have sold one before now.

I’d like the ability to trade 100 pristine relics for 1 fractal skin.

most of my found exotics get sold on the TP
some (the ones with valuable sockets) get considered for salvaging. if the average salvage yields more than just selling it, I salvage it
account bound exotics I get (and dungeons who’s tokens can’t be used to buy 68+ rares so I buy exotics instead) get thrown into the MF, then the exotic that comes out gets sold on the TP.

So I’ve been noticing I was lately getting less superior sigils when I throw majors into the Mystic Forge. I thought it might be one of those stealth nerfs we all love to say happen. so I decided to test it.
bought 772 major sigils = 193 forgings, plus threw any majors I got out of it back in
if 20% return (no nerf): 38.6 + 7.72 + 1.544 + 0.386 = 48.25 superior sigils
if 10% return (possible nerf): 19.3 + 4.3425 + 0.977 + 0.22 = 24.84 superior sigils

how many superior sigils do you think I got?

I did some tests and found something interesting. first, some results:
I got green wood from level 1-20, soft wood from 21-33, seasoned wood for 34-48, hard wood from 49-63, elder wood from 64-80. this is before the chance to get a higher grade (as if you were using crude SK)
I also found that what item type you are salvaging will give different amounts of material. focus and torch always gave 1 log. scepter gave 1-2 logs. bows, staff, trident gave 1-3 logs.
I focused on wood for this experiment to keep it simple, but I imagine ore/leather/cloth to be similar.

what’s going on? it looks like they added a new word to their kitten replace: s and t when placed in close proximity. l_e_s_s_ _t_h_a_n_ _e_s_t_i_m_a_t_e_d = lekittenhan ekittenimated ????
s_t_u_f_f = stuff
a_l_m_o_s_t = almost
j_u_s_t = just
i_n_s_t_e_a_d = instead
that’s going too far! it makes it look like french with the le kitten han.
edit: looks like they took out that filter

wallace, I did notice that a few minutes after posting that. I got out my trusty calculator and it looks like 4.2 million is still the estimation for maxing it.

when you mouse over the account magic find, it breaks it up into luck mf and ach mf. is it luck mf that maxes at 300%, or the sum of luck and ach that maxes at 300%?

1.7 million. far lekittenhan the ekittenimated 4.2 million reddit predicted, but kittenill a lot. funny how the amount required per level caps at 30,000 after +217% mf.

agreed, empyreal and dragonite are the time-gate. time-gating the deldrimor and spiritwood is useless. making them TP-able just makes time-gating them even more useless. I laughed so hard when I read that the only things that were time-gated were also able to be purchased on the TP.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/support/bugs/Can-t-sell-anything-on-trading-post/first
they’re getting multiple responses over in bugs forum. not the responses we are looking for, but at least they know it’s being read. maybe devs just don’t look here?

especially plants in low level areas. maybe the varied ones more than specific plants? It seems to me you get them more often from herb patch/seedling than from potato/onion/lettuce/etc.
this will take you a while. much faster to just buy them.

Despair & Neochrome: there are two TP bugs I get all the time.
this error is one of them – where you sell too fast and it won’t let you sell anymore.
the other happens randomly, where you go to the TP and everything is blank. TP, transactions, sell, it all shows nothing. I believe this is totally unrelated to the error attempting to sell. There are a couple ways I’ve fixed this one: logout/login works like 90% of the time. change your text language to french then back to english also works like 90% of the time.

as to the ‘ok’ button: I’m kinda glad it’s there. sometimes when you hit ‘sell’, it takes several seconds for the transaction to go through, then ‘ok’ comes up. I think it’s just a confirmation that it worked. it also refreshes the screen to show your updated inventory (selecting to sell another item also refreshes it). I believe there’s no reason to press ‘ok’, but it’s good that they have that confirmation that it worked so I know when I can go on and sell the next thing. If only I could go on and sell the next thing…

as stated above, salvaging ectos for luck will cost you 3.27c per luck
blues and greens are tougher to figure out as what they give varies in price wildly.
blue: if it costs 1.5s and on average gives 1.8 materials each worth 60c and gives 11 luck, then each luck would cost you 3.8c
green: if it costs you 2.5s and on average gives 1.8 materials each worth 60c and gives 30 luck, then each luck would cost you 4.7c
so it depends how much the item costs you and how much the material you get out of it sells for.

ran some tests. it’s a MySQL database, using PHP. I made a new table to test this. each record has an auto-incrementing ‘id’ and an int field ‘i’.
inserting 10,000 records took 3.545154 seconds
individually updating 10,000 records to add 1 to ‘i’ took 3.703984 seconds
individually deleting 10,000 records took 5.285522 seconds

the code:
$i=1;
$start_time=explode(" ",microtime());

while($i<=10000) {
//mysql_query(“INSERT INTO temp (i) VALUES ($i)”);
//mysql_query(“UPDATE temp SET i=i+1 WHERE id=$i”);
mysql_query(“DELETE FROM temp WHERE id=$i”);
$i++;
}

$end_time=explode(" ",microtime());
$time=round($end_time⁰+$end_time¹-$start_time⁰-$start_time¹,6);
echo “<br>testing: $time seconds”;

I’m sure it could be done quicker and more conclusively than this as I would consider myself only an amateur/hobbyist programmer, but I’m just showing that database queries are FAST. keep in mind that this is on a non-dedicated $6/month server, so if you didn’t have a hundred other people on your server, and you had multiple servers, you could do a lot more in the same time.

I, too, would like to know this table. I’ll do some testing tonight to further contribute to it.
there are levels that have multiple options, but there are also levels where the outcome is guaranteed. I think it’s more of a bell-curve, too: level 20 and 21 seem to give mostly soft wood but also a little green.
I would also like to know what type of item gives what. bows and staves I know give wood while swords and daggers give metal, but what do the others give? specifically, the ones that require both materials to make (such as horn and pistol). is it just randomly either/or?

rhapsody.3615:

I found that for the money spent on ecto vs dust, you’ll yield about the same amount of dust but by salvaging ectos you also get luck.

lol. people that do less math are so funny.
ecto: buy for 29s74c
Master Salvage Kit: 1 usage = 61.44c
total cost = 30s35c
yield = 1.8 crystalline dust
cost to make 1 dust = 16s86c
cost to buy 1 dust from TP = 13s26c
difference = 3s60c
luck obtained = 110
cost per luck = 3.27c

personally, I prefer making luck while earning a profit. Your method is faster, but don’t give people false info by telling them it costs the same to get dust.

Dench.5968:

There are 3 theories right now about this:

- It’s an anti bot measure that fails at life.
- It’s an intentional feature that protects 1990’s era server technology
-It’s a legitmate error that has been ignored by Arena Net.

Things that don’t set it off:
-Buying items as fast as possible with a mouse/keyboard
-Bidding on items as fast as possible with a mouse/keyboard

I love every and all things you said. well put!

Behellagh.1468:

Pfft, 1990s technology. Show me a transactional database that can do multiple thousands of insertions and deletions a second on moderately priced servers then you have a point. It’s the insertion into the TP DB and the removal from your character’s DB that is the costly part. Bidding is merely a subtraction of coin and creation of a bid and queries can be deferred slightly without a player noticing but making sure an item is properly moved between the two, preventing “dupes”, keeping a record to allow rollbacks and restoration.

As someone who owns a website with a database, I can confirm that my $6/month server takes about 6 seconds to do 10,000 database updates. I’ll test insertions and deletions for you later tonight.
If bandwidth was the issue, why can I buy things as fast as I can click? and I can buy things like 3 times faster than I could sell things if this error wasn’t there. selling should be insert-delete, buying should be delete-insert. (or maybe insert-update vs. delete-update). I see no reason buying and selling would have different bandwidth requirements.

not the error. the error has always been there. before july, if you keep clicking ‘sell’, it will go through as soon as your time limit is up and you can sell again.
then they changed it so every time you hit ‘sell’ while on the time limit resets the timer.
I had fun with an auto-clicker one day and got the error for 2 straight hours while I watched a movie.

I don’t buy dyes. closest I get is getting my guild’s colors. I was trying to help everyone else here.
I was also trying to show that guaranteed new dyes would cost a lot more than old dyes. the reason is that old dyes can be obtained from unid dye, which in comparison to their dye packs is free. if the average is 400 gems, and the old dyes are free, then the new dyes would be twice the price. except it’s 6/25 chance, so the new ones are actually 4x the price. 1600 gems per dye! woo!
if dyes were account-bound, I would actually collect them.

it’s too hard to hoard enough cheap materials to later sell for a profit. even if you got 100% profit after tax on thick leather sections, that’s only 8c each. 20s per stack. let’s say you filled all 4 of your guild bank caves (I think they hold 250 items each?) that’s 200g profit. that doesn’t even pay for the upgrades to get those bank caves. not nothing, but almost not worth the risk or hassle (selling 250,000 thick leather sections would take FOREVER)
T6, on the other hand, if that goes from 1s to 2s, you make 2.5g per stack = 2500g. now that’s a profit I’d drool over.
I learned this lesson during the baazar. I filled a bank tab and several alts with thick leather and silk. I made a profit, but it was barely worth it.

when they are in their alone, does that count toward the new day’s daily?
so: at 4:55 they join the keg toss, play a game, get daily. stay in the game and wait, 5:00 ticks, they play another game, get new daily.
or is the daily dependent on what is being played?

so they are playing keg toss without opposition? are there opponents present when they don’t cheat? I was under the impression mini games are not played very much.

aww, the profits were even better before I got there
a few days ago, I was crafting like I normally do. I noticed darksteel ingots were selling really high (~3.8s) compared to the price in platinum it takes to make them (1.2s), so much more that it was actually profitable to buy platinum and sell darksteel at a profit after taxes
so I bought some platinum and made darksteel then sold them at 1c undercut.
they sold within 5 minutes
so I bought more platinum.
in the end, I bought about 4,000 platinum within a few hours and made 2,000 darksteel ingots at about 30c profit each ingot = 6g. I decided to stop pressing my luck.

T2-T5 metals and wood went up 2x when ascended came out. T6 wood went up 8x and T6 metal went up 3×.
T6 is where the potential super-high profits are at, but T2-T5 won’t be left out.

2 options:
- 400 gems for 1 of 25 dyes (6 of which are new)
- 800 gems for 1 of 6 new dyes
everybody’s happy!
such an easy fix

trying again makes it worse. it won’t let you post anything as long as you keep trying again. they updated it to do that somewhere around july.

you want specifics?
place buy order for Mystic Frame for 41g1c. when that’s filled, place sell listing for 99g95s97c. that’s a 44g profit (107.2%)!
I wouldn’t expect that to go through very quickly, but that’s the sort of thing that’s being described here. just find an item with low buy orders compared to it’s sell listings.