Guild Wars 2

Wanze.8410:

Mystic.5934:

no forge recipes are in the api, nevermind if they are discovered or not.
we’re working on making a complete json with all forge recipes over at https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/community/api/Created-a-json-file-for-Mystic-Forge-recipes/first#post5514732

Which brings me back to my initial question, wether the API is is a good argument to claim you discovered all feast/armor box recipes…..

Its not that I dont believe you that you actually unlocked all those recipes, usually you are pretty thorough but considering that you found 1 more for armorsmith than for tailor and leatherworker makes me wonder if you just messed up in posting your numbers here or you messed up in acquiring all recipes.

I’m not going off recipes. I started with a list of all crafted coats (I did use the recipe api for that – but it was for armorsmith, tailor, leatherworker recipes) and made what the forge recipes would be based on their levels.

Mystic.5934:

Wanze.8410:

Mystic.5934:

Wanze.8410:

plenty of food feast and armor box recipes have not been made yet, or at least not been on the TP yet and i dont think all transformation potions have been discovered either.

I’m going to go out on a limb and say all armor box recipes have been discovered.
personally, I have every single one unlocked (346 of them).

Does 1 armor profession have 1 more than the other 2?

lol! good catch. that number was just counting how many recipes in the api I found. ummm, looks like armorsmith has 116 while tailor and leatherworker each have 115. I’ll look for what extra item armorsmith has…

looks like I am missing Strong Acolyte Coat (fine) and Cleric’s Rascal Coat (master) for some reason. I’ll doublt-check what I have discovered.

no forge recipes are in the api, nevermind if they are discovered or not.
we’re working on making a complete json with all forge recipes over at https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/community/api/Created-a-json-file-for-Mystic-Forge-recipes/first#post5514732

Wanze.8410:

Mystic.5934:

Wanze.8410:

plenty of food feast and armor box recipes have not been made yet, or at least not been on the TP yet and i dont think all transformation potions have been discovered either.

I’m going to go out on a limb and say all armor box recipes have been discovered.
personally, I have every single one unlocked (346 of them).

Does 1 armor profession have 1 more than the other 2?

lol! good catch. that number was just counting how many recipes in the api I found. ummm, looks like armorsmith has 116 while tailor and leatherworker each have 115. I’ll look for what extra item armorsmith has…

oh, I have an idea. I’m pretty sure it’s never been made!
item id 37026
https://api.guildwars2.com/v2/items/37026
it’s an ascended prototype fractal capacitor with no stats.
it’s likely made by forging the exotic prototype fractal capacitor with no stats (id 37051) with 1 vial of condensed mists essence + 1 gift of ascension + 40 mystic crystal (or philo stones).
the reason I believe no one has ever made it is because you can’t buy this capacitor. other capacitors have been forged, but not this one also included with this idea is the infused and glowy ones after it.

Wanze.8410:

plenty of food feast and armor box recipes have not been made yet, or at least not been on the TP yet and i dont think all transformation potions have been discovered either.

I’m going to go out on a limb and say all armor box recipes have been discovered.
personally, I have every single one unlocked (346 of them). maybe 1/4 were purchased off the TP, the rest I [had] made. Believe you me, it was not easy or short.
I identified them by searching for the item’s API for key words such as ‘recipe’, ‘box’, ‘armor’, ‘satchel’, etc.
same goes for feast recipes (181 of those)
my theory is that either I made it, or a friend of mine did (I hired them), or someone did and listed it on the TP.

those are easy enough to test, you don’t even need the full stack.
if you put 1 karka shell, 1 elder wood longbow, eldritch scroll, 1 mystic coin in the forge, it would tell you “you need 250, 250, 1, 100”. it won’t tell you what it makes, but it will tell you it is a real recipe.
personally, I expect it’s nothing great. probably something like 4 x ori tools = 1x sturdy ori tool

oh well, it’s at least close enough :P I just put both of those options in there
updated the json above
text file with just Mini Steamrider, Mini Steam Hulk, Mini Steam Minotaur, fractal capacitors:
note: Chokapik already had 2 of them, so be careful of duplicates. I think output_item_id 37035 (soldiers) differs from what I just produced… should probably have 37025 (soldiers) as an ingredient instead of 37029 (berserker). I had wayyy too much time on my hands :P

I did Mini Steamrider, Mini Steam Hulk, and Mini Steam Minotaur. just made it 3 different recipes, all with the same ingredients. no idea how we should notate them as possible options. normal API doesn’t have this problem :P
will post those in a sec… want to finish fractal capacitors first.
omg what a mess. 5 different items x 2 infusion slots (offensive/defensive), yet somehow beta and glowy have 20 different data_id instead of 10.
I have found http://db.dulfy.net/search to be invaluable.
what’s the difference between 37039 ([&AgGvkAAA]) and 49381 ([&AgHlwAAA])? and which one turns into 37049 ([&AgG5kAAA]) and which 49391 ([&AgHvwAAA])? Is it as obvious as it looks? what’s the difference between them? only the last of these 4 am I able to link in game.
also, what’s the difference between 37020 and 37025? I expect 37025 to be the real one, but then what is 37020 all about?

turns out only the ‘smells like singed fur and feathers’ mystery tonic (crystalline dust + vicious claw + vicious fang + water = 5 of them at artificer) is able to go in the mystic forge. that makes it so easy
I updated the json file above
attached is a text file with a json for just the tonic recipes

https://api.guildwars2.com/v2/items/69650
{"text":“no such id”}

well, at least it makes sense (elegant is 69649)
ty

star will probably be able to be got again this wintersday (3 more months)
as for the others, I agree. a lot of the time I collect more of these than I can consume with the eaters.

I’ve written ‘kitten’ before. I’ve also been puzzled when it kitten’s things like the word ‘etc.’ followed by the word ‘until’ (etkittenil). always stop and figure out why.

Wanze.8410:

Just some extra info for newer players or older ones who might not know this:

If you type: I am Evon Gnashblade

into the search bar on the trading post, item icons will shrink to the size of the text, so you can see about three times more items in the window and have to scroll less.

Looks like this:

I forgot all about that! loved it when it first came out, but forgot about it one day and didn’t even realize what I was missing

mage, that’s some serious flipping you do there. and good profits too!

Ayrilana.1396:

I had enough to reach 500 so I went ahead and cashed out. Looks like I can blame the horrible sample size I originally used which is a relief. I’m making slightly over 98 silver per laurel based on a sample size of 500. This is based on the profit projections off the TP using sell prices.

good, I like easier-to-say numbers :P

did mawdrey and mini llama. had to use output_item_id of -1 for mini lavish llama, at least until someone provides me with it’s id
attached is a text file of just these, I’ll update the two files I did before with them.

anyone know the data_id of mini lavish llama?
this post describes how to get the item id from the chat code, but it gave me item id 1048850. pretty sure that’s wrong :P

what’s the reason for removing names from the file? just not necessary? I find it helps a ton for identifying what you are working with

I don’t know, but I am 99% sure it’s the same as guild missions (here it’s sat at 5:00pm pacific time). That was the same time weekly achievements reset as well.

Chokapik.3741:

The following recipes are currently not included (you guys might be able to help me complete the list):
- Mini llamas (not in API)
- Mini Steamrider, Mini Steam Hulk, and Mini Steam Minotaur (random output)
- “Generic” recipes (for example, the one to infuse ascended rings; I can’t really add one recipe per ring. same for infusing ascended backpieces quivers/books)
- Tonics: the wiki documentation for most of the tonic recipes is incomplete, so I can’t do much with this for now. Maybe someone can help me figuring this out (there is multiple types of mystery tonics, so I don’t really understand).
- Everything related to material promotion (random output)
- Fractal Capacitors: these things are a huge mess. There is multiple stats, but the API also has a version with choosable stats (which you can’t link in-game…). I don’t know how to implement those.
- Maudrey-related recipes.

I’m feeling in the discovery mood, so I’ll start working on mawdrey and mini llama. then I’ll see what you mean about the tonics.

+1

it’s an interesting situation. because you have to play the map to be able to farm the chests. you don’t get enough crests from chests to keep going in perpetuity. Because of that, I don’t see the farming as much of a problem.
If they really wanted to decrease farming, I would recommend slightly decreasing how many crests the chests give.

they only mentioned the level 10 personal story. I assume the level 40 and 60 personal story will still give unlimited keys?

https://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/3idext/level_52_vs_level_80_champ_bags/
per bag, there is less than 80c difference between level 52 and 80 (if anything, 80 gives more due to more karma and SS).
Personally, I recommend opening them on the level that you would use the materials more of (if you use a lot of T4 mats, open on 55, if you use a lot of ecto, open on 80. If you’re just going to sell everything, doesn’t matter)

Zetsumei.4975:

Wait does that mean opening them on a low level character deletes your chances of getting a precursor from the bags? And are you absolutely sure?

20,000 bags opened on level 55, no precursor.
10,401 bags opened on a level 80, no precursor.
I have yet to meet anyone who has got a precursor from a level 80 champ bag, much less a level 55 champ bag.

Sariel V.7024:

ID number of foraging sickle is 23025. You won’t be able to cross reference it yet, obviously.

I don’t like GitHub :*(
what you linked is fine, but most times someone links to there it’s just a folder of how-to instructions with no actual useful things. could be just bad experiences.

I offered to compile these in another post a few months ago but no one seemed interested at the time. Looks like that’s changed, so, ta-da!
Here’s mine I made:
without names: http://www.gw2profits.com/json/forge
with names: http://www.gw2profits.com/json/forge?include=name
This has all 793 of them: material promotion, mystic and eldritch scroll weapons, legendaries, gifts, siege, clovers, mists essences, armor set recipes, feast recipes, some misc.
I copied your format best I could.
material promotion is an average. started with estimates from Egg Baron then did my own research for T1.
For Reaper of Souls, I used item_id of ‘-1’ :P
mystic clovers are also averages, but the other way around. Thinking about it, I should probably invert those… so it gives the recipe for each time you do it, but it only products 0.3 clovers or something like that. I was going off the wiki for how many of each was required to make 1 clover.
the armor set recipes and feast recipes are mathematical estimates for how much wine, coin, and crystals are required. wiki has a range of how much is required, and I made a few at various ratings for more data points, then made a line that fit them as good as possible. let me know if you find one that’s off :P I crafted a bunch of them, but that’s way too many to confirm by hand.

Thanks for your work! I look forward to adding them to my collection. I didn’t do a single thing with minis or tonics or ascended myself – I was focused on things that could be sold on the TP.

edit: I updated the links above to include Chokapik’s recipes (now 850 recipes) as well as foraging sickle’s id and mystic clover to be the ingredients to make 1 but only output 0.31 clovers. It was quite beautiful to see our duplicates side-by side with how similar they were

Ayrilana.1396:

The rate may be lower than a gold per laurel. I tested a full monthly cycle (55) a few months ago and got around 70s each. I’m about to try out 500 laurels within the next week which should produce a more reliable result.

nice, let me know what you come up with. of course, the number will change constantly as the T6 mats change.

eithinan.9841:

ok so the 2 big “BLTP forum specialists” (RIP) whipped out their kittens.. anyone around who can match them? Wanze has said he doesnt collude with others outside of a few friends he has since early on. Are you completely solo now wanze?

how about you mystic? do you have any partners or is that mostly solo?

no tin foil hat stuff here, just asking.

It was so sad when they closed the BL forum. discussion forum is basically useless because there’s so much different stuff going on that everything you might be interested gets burried. That was basically when I stopped frequenting these forums, though I do peek around sometimes. I thought of applying for that job when it was first announced, but I don’t think I’m active enough to satisfy it. I do answer questions when I see them, just not as regularly as that job needs.
Personally, I don’t collude with anyone; not because I specifically try not to, more that it doesn’t come up. If someone asks, I give help, even tell them what I’m invested in and my trading tools I use: If I tell someone I have 10,000 unid dyes because they will be worth 1g in a few months (true story, happened ~8 months ago when they were worth 30s), they might go buy some and make them worth 1g that much sooner. If I tell someone that yakkington armors are almost always profitable to buy and salvage, it doesn’t change the supply very much because of how huge this economy is. I see it as a better feeling you get from helping someone than it hurts my ability to make a profit.
But I just don’t get asked for help very often :P Wanze is much more popular, so I assume people go to him first. I’ve even asked him a few questions from time to time. If I was bothered more often, I might feel differently? I hope not. But for the most part, all my trading is just me. My guild thinks of me as a TP baron :P they don’t do much trading.
who were the BL trading forum specialists? I don’t remember ever knowing.

MashMash.1645:

Mystic.5934:

although another thought just came to mind :P

I wonder if we are having the same thought? ;-P

Oh, we are
Mine was remembering about the daily login reward scheme.

it’s under champ trains

I added the bit about Daily login rewards. honestly not sure if I should have it there or not. yes, it gets you gold. but it also isn’t playing the game.

OHHHHHHH BLACK LION KEY FARM.
from your context, I thought you meant silverwaste key (chest) farm. you get far more masterwork bags from silverwaste farming.
hmmmm… to add bl key farming to the guide or not… hardly seems worth it now. although another thought just came to mind :P

oh, you can click ‘report by item’. :P here’s the top-10:
hmmmm. a lot of those were flipped, but weren’t on the flipping page because they were purchased like a year ago.

Thaddeus.4891:

Yup I know they Killed it with today’s patch a couple hours ago. You are now limited to one key per week. I’ll continue to do a key run, but 52 keys a year instead of my usual 300-400 a year will make a big hole in my budget ; ). I’ll need to switch to other source of income apparently.

awww. what’s even the point of having keys then? oh, you get 5 from vw. guess I have to change the guide :P

Wanze.8410:

I dont see how gw2tp is not userfriendly, i prefer their graphs, as they have separate ones for price and supply/demand. Spidy has a better crafting section but gw2tp also has scroll downs that show every buy order/sell listing, which is quite handy to see where supply walls are located or the bulk of buy orders is at. But to each their own.

that’s probably why I think it’s less user-friendly :P data is too segmented
completely forgot about candy corn bags. don’t use them myself, but they should be included (I had full fractal bags before those candy corn ones were cheap… I should mention those too)
wanze has 44kg in items for sale you got more wealthy since we chatted last
seems only polite I should share the same screens. this info is weird… doesn’t really repesent how much you have, only how much has gone through you. and looks like it only goes back to June 24. I wonder if it includes the fees you pay to relist an item. “COGS” = “Cost Of Getting Stuff”?

Thaddeus.4891:

The link is misleading. It’s true that exotic bags are equally good for level 80 or level 50-55.

But, that’s not the point. Bags that are worth opening on low level character are Bag of Gear (masterwork) and other green bags (for exemple when you Key farm R.I.P.).

I was hoping not to make a big deal out of that… the link is to my own post, so, yeah. :P only wanted to give something that backed up that claim. I agree that masterwork bags are much better to open on low levels, but most people never mention those and only mention champ bags, but I’ll edit it.
key farm is dead? but I was just there 2 days ago!

Scientia.8924:

kitten amazing job with this Mystic

thanks

Illconceived Was Na.9781:

Great post again, Mystic. Thanks.

thanks

Hmmmm, there was one website I found a while ago where it would list everything all your characters had, sorted by value. So you could easily find high-value things. Can’t seem to find it right now, anyone know what I’m talking about?

If you think that is rough, when I started I wandered from Wayfarer Foothills (1-15) to Frostgorge Sound (70-80) when I was level 18 and was astounded how quickly I died. Took me a minute to realize they weren’t the expected level 16.

another blank space if I need it

Section F) Miscellaneous
1) Item Storage (@100 gems = 25g)
15-slot Bag = 1g = 6s66c/space
18-slot Bag = 2g = 11s11c/space
20-slot Bag = 10g = 50s/space
20-slot Halloween Pail = 3 Candy Corn Gobs = 3×2g = 6g = 30s/space
20-slot Fractal Box = 150 fractal relics (2-3 fractal runs)
Bank Expansion = 6×25g=150g / 30 spaces = 5g/space
Guild Bank 50 = 2,500×20c=5g / 50 spaces = 10s/space
Guild Bank 150 = 22,500×20c=45g / 150 spaces = 30s/sapce
Guild Bank 250 = 52,500×20c=105g / 250 spaces = 42s/space
New Character + 4×15-Slot Bags = 8×25g+4x1g=204g / 80 spaces = 2g55s/space
New Character + 4×18-Slot Bags = 8×25g+4x2g=208g / 92 spaces = 2g26s/space
New Character + 4×20-Slot Bags = 8×25g+4x10g=240g / 100 spaces = 2g40s/space
New Character + 4×20-Slot Halloween Pail = 8×25g+4x6g=224g / 100 spaces = 2g24s/space
New Character + 3 Bag Expansions + 7×15-Slot Bags = 8×25g+3x4×25g+7x1g=507g / 125 spaces = 4g5s/space
New Character + 3 Bag Expansions + 7×18-Slot Bags = 8×25g+3x4×25g+7x2g=514g / 146 spaces = 3g52s/space
New Character + 3 Bag Expansions + 7×20-Slot Bags = 8×25g+3x4×25g+7x10g=570g / 160 spaces = 3g56s/space
New Character + 3 Bag Expansions + 7×20-Slot Halloween Pail = 8×25g+3x4×25g+7x6g=542g / 160 spaces = 3g38s/space
Collection Expander: 8×25g=200g / ~349 ‘spaces’ = 57s31c/space. Getting 1x collection expander is worth it if it saves 40+ bank spaces (or 80 spaces on a new character)

2) Websites
http://www.gw2profits.com
 I made this, I use it to find ways to earn gold.
http://www.gw2spidy.com
 For the graph, you can click on the labels to turn each on/off. I like to get rid of all the averages.
 You can get an idea of how many sales an item has by looking at the Sell Listings Volume. It’s not perfect, but if you count every time the volume decreases, that will usually be a sale. That can help you identify at what price an item will sell.
http://www.gw2tp.com is another good one, it updates more often than spidy and has different data representation.
https://gw2efficiency.com account viewer and various tools
https://www.gw2bltc.com looks pretty good at managing all your sales and reporting successes.
http://gw2.ninja/collections calculates cost of completing collections
http://mygw2.wvwintel.com account viewer
http://www.gw2bank.info account viewer
http://orikaru.net/files/games/gw2/misc/bankValue.php account viewer

3) API

• API is basically a website that you go to and it gives you information. Examples:
   https://api.guildwars2.com/v2/items/30689 returns information about Eternity
   https://api.guildwars2.com/v2/commerce/prices/30689 returns some sales info about Eternity such as lowest sell listing price
   https://api.guildwars2.com/v2/commerce/prices?ids=30689,30703,30704 returns some sales info about Eternity, Sunrise, and Twilight
   https://api.guildwars2.com/v2/commerce/prices?page=1&page_size=200 returns some sales info about a lot of items
• Data is returned in json format which can easily be decoded into an array for easy data manipulation.
• Some websites such as spidy and [link=https://www.gw2tp.com/api]gw2tp.com[/link] provide their own API’s that make it easy to download all item prices.
• If you’re going to work with API stuff, I highly recommend saving the data you download instead of having to retrieve it every time you go to use it. Easier to work with and won’t kitten off those who provide API’s.
• There is too much to cover in one thread, so here’s some websites that should help:
   https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/API:2
   https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/community/api
   https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/community/api/Guide-to-the-Black-Lion-Trading-Co-API/page/2#post4612445 (useful to me at the time, but I think it only pertains to v1)

4) I am Evon Gnashblade

• If you type “I am Evon Gnashblade” into the TP search, it will show more items per page. You can type it in again to reverse it. I think it is also undone when they apply a patch? Mostly, it stays even after you logout.

That’s everything I can think of. If you find an error or have comments or suggestions, let me know!

7) Basic Salvaging

• GW2Profits Basic Salvage Tool
• The most profitable way to max your magic find is to salvage blues and greens. (up to ~1s/item).
• Average drop rates:
  Weapons
   Long Bow / Short Bow / Staff / Trident = 1.85 Wood Logs
   Scepter / Torch = 1.1 Wood Logs
   Focus = 1 Wood Log
   Hammer / Harpoon Gun / Spear = 0.9 Wood Logs + 0.9 Ore
   Axe / Mace / Pistol / Rifle = 0.6 Wood Logs + 0.6 Ore
   Shield = 0.5 Wood Logs + 0.5 Ore (sometimes give wood planks)
   Greatsword = 1.8 Ore
   Sword / Dagger / Warhorn = 1.2 Ore
  Armor
   Heavy Coat = 2.45 Ore
   Heavy other Armor = 1.35 Ore
   Medium Coat = 3.1 Leather sections
   Medium other Armor = 2.1 Leather sections
   Back Piece = 2 Leather sections
   Light Coat = 3.1 Cloth scraps
   Light other Armor = 2.1 Cloth scraps
  Trinkets
   Amulet = 1.5 Ore
   Ring = 1.6 Ore
   Accessory = 1.5 Ore
• Level ranges:
   Green Wood 1-20, Soft Wood 16-33, Seasoned Wood 31-48, Hard Wood 46-63, Elder Wood 64-80
   Copper Ore 1-23, Iron Ore 19-55, Platinum Ore 49-62, Mithril Ore 63-80
   Rawhide Leather 1-18, Thin Leather 16-33, Coarse Leather 31-48, Rugged Leather 46-63, Thick Leather 61-80
   Jute Scrap 1-18, Wool Scrap 16-33, Cotton Scrap 31-50, Linen Scrap 46-63, Silk scrap 61-80
• Salvage Kit info:
   Crude: 2c/use, ~10% chance of promotion, ~5% chance of socket
   Basic/SoM: 3c/use, ~11% chance of promotion, 20% chance of socket (use if socket > 9c)
   Fine: 11c/use, ~13% chance of promotion, 40% chance of socket (use if socket > 40c)
   Journeyman: 32c/use, ~14% chance of promotion, 60% chance of socket (use if socket >1s)
   Master: 61c/use, ~15% chance of promotion, 80% chance of socket (use if socket >1s47c)
   Free Mystic: 10c/use, same as Master (use when you get Mystic Forge Stones from achievement chests)
   Paid Mystic: ~14s/use, same as Master (never use)
   Black Lion: ~3g/use, ~17% chance of promotion, 100% chance of socket (use if socket + inscription/insignia > 70% of price to buy 100 gems ~10g)

6) Ecto [and Inscription/Insignia] Salvaging

• Buy level 68+ rare and exotic items, salvage, sell ectos.
• It helps to know the drop rates:
   68+ Rare with MSK gives 0.875 ecto
   68+ Rare with BLSK gives 1.25 ecto
   68+ Exotic with MSK gives 1.27 ecto
   68+ Exotic with BLSK gives 1.66 ecto
   68+ Exotic with MSK gives 0.52 Glob of Dark Matter
   68+ Exotic with BLSK gives 1.00 Glob of Dark Matter
   Inscription/Insignia with MSK has 42.55% chance
   Inscription/Insignia with BLSK has 60.88% chance
• “MSK” = Master Salvage Kit or Mystic Salvage Kit. Master is cheaper unless you have free Mystic Forge Stones from achievement chests. Free Mystic kit > Master kit >>> paid Mystic kit
• For salvaging rares and exotics, you should use at least a master kit, see Luck Salvaging below for reasons
• “BLSK” = Black Lion Salvage Kit
• With the high price to buy gems with gold, BLSK is very rarely worth it. I made a formula for deciding when you should use BLSK:
   If 1.41 x socket_sale_price + 2.66 x ecto_sale_price + 1.35 x inscription_sale_price + 5s > price_per_100_gems, use BLSK, otherwise use MSK
   For a gem price of 25g / 100 gems and 40s/ecto, that means the socket and inscription combined need to sell for at least 17g25s (after TP tax).
• If you have more BLSK than you are able to use, just reduce this limit until you are using as many as you are getting, but don’t use all on cheap stuff or you’ll regret it when you have an expensive thing and no BLSK.
• Inscriptions/Insignia can drop from exotic weapons/armor with the stats of Cavalier (Tpf), Dire (Ctv), Magi (Hpv), Rabid (Cprt), Sentinel (Vpt), Shaman (Vch), Soldier (Ptv). This includes named exotics. They do not drop from crafted items (Pearl, Quaggan, Draconic, Emblazoned, Exalted), or from any of these weapons: Guild Defender, King’s Remembrance, Poyaqui’s Noggin, Occultist Flame, Scepter of the Highborn, Defiant Blaze, Faithful, Monsoon. All dungeon tokens except CoF have exotics that can be salvaged to get inscriptions/insignia.
• Glob of Dark Matter can be worth around 1g/glob (by making ascended inscriptions/insignia). Check some recipes before you decide which to make. Don’t get into it unless you have a fair amount of Globs (21k karma to buy each recipe). Inscription require 10, Insignia require 5.
• Named rares and exotics drop sockets that are more expensive than normal, and they aren’t as obvious that they do, so you can often get better profits from them.
• GW2Profits Ecto Salvage Tool

Section E) TP Trading
1) Spread

• Buy order low, sell listing high. The plan here is, for example, to buy items for 1g and sell them for 2g.
• You should use a website to help you locate where these spreads are and a spreadsheet to keep track of everything.
   GW2Profits Spread Tool
   http://www.gw2tp.com/search
• If you see a spread that is too good to be true (such as buy for 10s, sell for 10g), it is.

2) Speculating

• Buy an item for cheap, wait a few months, sell it for expensive.
• Limited-time items are a good bet (Living story, holidays, Gem Store dyes, Black Lion specialist weapons, etc.).
• Sometimes you can predict when a common thing will go up due to an update, such as when ascended armor was coming out and people predicted T2-T6 cloth and leather to increase, because that happened when ascended weapons came out.
• Stay current on recent news and general trends. The quicker you respond, the more profits you can make.

3) Crafting Disciplines

• If you need to level your crafting discipline for the cheapest price: http://www.gw2crafts.net/
• Almost all limited-time recipes are profitable to craft, as not everyone can make them. Potent Potions, Halloween and Crown Pavilion sigils/runes, etc.
• The intermediate items (components, inscriptions, etc.) are also profitable and usually have higher velocities than completed items.
• Time-gated materials are usually profitable. Ascended materials, Plates of Plant Food, Grow Lamp
• GW2Profits Craft Everything Tool
• GW2Profits Recipes Tool

4) Precursor Crafting

• One thing to keep in mind: sample size. It’s only a gamble if you do a statistically insignificant amount of it. With a large enough sample size, you will receive the average.
• Find a precursor that sells for a lot, and the items that go into the forge to make it are cheap. Expect to pay a LOT (10,000’s of gold), then sell a lot of precursors (100’s). Not all at once, because you can sell the precursors as you make them, but you do need a large initial investment.
   GW2Profits Precursor Tool
• Don’t blindly throw weapons back into it. Sell the expensive ones on the TP and use that cash to buy more than one cheaper one.
• Some numbers I’ve found that others have reported (reddit’s Nugkill):
   1 in 128 attempts produces a precursor from exotics
   1 in 782 attempts produces a precursor from rares
   Average level + (5 to 12) = product’s level, so an average level of 75+ is recommended (80+80+80+60 for example)
   Only a level 80 product will have a chance to be a precursor.

5) Bags

• A lot of bags are profitable to buy, open, sell ingredients. This is fairly time consuming and gives less than 1s profit per bag, but a good source of cheaper materials.
• GW2Profits Bag Tool

a quick break from our regularly scheduled program in case I need this space in the future.

Section D) Converting other currencies
1) Map Completion

• Can only be used to make a legendary. My order of making a legendary for profit is: Gift of Mastery, Gift of Fortune, decide which legendary will give the most profit, Gift of Legendary and precursor. If you pick the right legendary, you can get upwards of 800-1000g profit.
• This can help you decide which legendary to make: GW2Profits Forge Legendaries Tool
• Worth up to about 300g each gift of exploration, or 600g for map completion. This can take ~60 hours, 10g/hour.

2) Spirit Shards

• Promoting T1 basic refined materials to T2, but it’s very hard to convert a lot. Up to 1-3g/SS.
   GW2Profits Forge Materials Tool
• There are a lot of Mystic Forge items that use Eldritch Scroll. The non-‘Mystic’ ones can give ~50s-2g/SS profit, especially the ones that require dungeon tokens.
   GW2Profits Forge Weapons Tool
• Making a legendary to sell. Requires other currencies, ~80s/SS, uses ~350 SS (see “Map Completion” above).

3) Karma

• Beaded weapons give ~20-45s/1000 karma (but take a long time to purchase the beads).
   GW2Profits Recipes Tool
• Bloodtide linen armor (Archen Foreland, near Sorrowful WP, Bram Dawnrazer, fine Cloth Crab Grabbin’ Gloves), throwing it in the MF, and salvaging the output gives ~8s/1000 karma (@ 5s/linen scrap), but takes a while to buy and MF.
• Lost orrian jewelry boxes is the easiest and fastest but only gives ~3.5s/1000 karma.
• Making a legendary to sell. Requires other currencies, ~25s/1000 karma, uses ~1,000,000 karma (see “Map Completion” below).

4) Laurels

• Heavy Crafting Bag gives 3 T6 fine mats for 1 laurel. ~1g/laurel

5) Map-specific currencies

• Bandit crests can be converted through Bandit Skeleton Keys (“Champ Train” above, ~15s/crest) or Bag of Stolen Goods (~40c/crest) or Sandy Bag of Gear (~20c/crest) or obsidian shards (210 karma/crest)
• Geodes can be converted through Clay Pots, ~4s/Geode from T6

6) Guild Commendations

• As mentioned above under “Producing your own gold / Guild Commendations”, Sentinel’s Inscription/Insignia is your only method.

7) Dungeon Tokens

• http://www.gw2profits.com/ecto_salvage.php
• Level 68+ rares to salvage for ectos gives ~1s/token (@ 40s/ecto).
• Exotics and salvaging for inscription/insignia gives ~1s/token (@ 40s/ecto + 2g/inscription + 1g/DM).
• There are crafting and MF recipes that call for the Gifts or Offerings. ~1-20s/Token
   GW2Profits Forge Tool
• Making a legendary to sell. Requires other currencies, ~25s/Token, uses 500 Tokens

8) WvW Badges

• Siege equipment is the best option, usually Arrow Cart or Ram. ~50c/badge
• Making a legendary to sell. Requires other currencies, ~25s/badge, uses 500 Badges

Section C) Producing your own gold (farming)
1) Guild Commendations

• Guild missions can be done once a week and take about 1-2 hours. Bounty, Rush, Challenge, Puzzle. Total, you get at least 2g, 8 rares, and 6 commendations. The commendations can be turned into Sentinel’s Inscription/Insignia and sold on the TP for ~5g. That’s ~8g/hour (@ 40s/ecto).

2) Daily Dungeons

• Each dungeon path gives extra loot the first time you do it each day, whih resets at the daily reset. Easy ones: CoF 1(2), AC 1(3), SE 13, TA UF, CM 3(1), CoE 12, HotW 1, Arah (123). ~5-10g/hour.
• Fractals of the Mists has tiers that you can each get daily credit from: 1-10, 11-20, 21-30, 31-40, and 41-50. FotM is better for account-bound loot: ascended items and fractal relics and karma, but it does give decent income as well; ~3-4g/hour.
• Edge of the Mists is similar to Fractals in that it’s better for karma and badges, but can also give a decent income, especially if you actually fight the other zergs.

3) World Bosses

• Less lucrative than they used to be, but if you hear that one is going on, go there. Can take less than 5 minutes and you get 1+ rare. That’s ~5g/hour (@ 40s/ecto), but obviously can’t be done continuously as there’s not always a world boss going on.

4) Harvesting

• Ancient wood and orichalcum are the obvious choices, but there aren’t very many of them.
• There is also Iron ore, Platinum ore, Soft wood, Seasoned wood, Hard wood. Each of these sell for over 1s, and there are hundreds of nodes.
• Some node farming guides:
  http://www.gw2nodes.com.
  http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Node_farm
  http://pwniversity.com/gw2/farming
• It’s nice to park alts near patches and farm from them once a day (or hour, depending on the patch)

5) Champ Trains

• Frostgorge Sound. ~5g/hour.
• Silverwaste chest train. 15-25s/bag x 100 bag/(hour+hour to get crests) = 7.5-15g/hour depending on if you include karma and Spirit Shards.
• Regarding if it’s better to open champ bags on a level 55 (and get more T4 mats) or a level 80 (and get more rare/exotics), they are too close to say one is better (source). However, I recommend doing the one you consume more materials from (if you use lots of platinum and linen, use 55. If you use lots of ecto, use 80). This will save you from selling what you don’t need and buying what you do, which saves the 15% tax. Masterwork bags should be opened on a level 55, as they can’t drop rares and exotics.

6) Farming Locations

• Too many to list, here’s a good guide: http://www.almarsguides.com/gw2/farming/

7) Daily login rewards

• After 28 days of logging in, you have 55 laurels plus other things like coins, materials, exotics, and BLSK.
• As mentioned below, laurels are worth about 1g each. That’s 55g+ per month. With multiple accounts, that’s not a small amount.
• Manually log in yourself, do not use any programs to help you, don’t going over 25 accounts.

8) There are more things that can go here, but too many to describe. Hot maps, Raids, event farming, EotM, Fractals, etc.

Section B ) General Tips
1) Almost always buy through buy orders and sell through sell listings. It takes longer, but it saves you gold. Also, usually, you should undercut and overcut by 1c; not all the time, but at least do it on the slow items (fast ones it can be better not to because it saves you time and 1c).

2) Grouping several gold-producing methods together makes them more effective. This saves the 15% TP tax, resulting in higher profits.

3) When you buy anything, always have an idea how long you plan to hold onto it, and how much you will get from it. And be realistic. “I will buy this expecting the supply will go down in ~6 months, raising the price 1000%” vs. “I will buy this, salvage it, sell it for 20% more”.

4) The decision to relist or not should almost be a willingness. Are you willing to accept less profit from a quicker sale. You would be less willing when selling long-term investments, because what’s a few weeks when you’ve held it for so long. And you’d be more willing to sell instant profits quickly so you have the gold again to use. And be realistic. If it’s a high turnover item, it’s not as important to have the absolute lowest sell listing, because prices will swing often.

5) For how much gold you have I recommend different proportions of TP investments:
 <1,000g = 100% instant profits (meaning you buy and sell in about a day)
 1,000g – 3,000g = 90% instant + 10% long-term
 3,000g – 5,000g = 80% instant + 20% long-term
 5,000g – 10,000g = 50% instant + 50% long-term
 >10,000g = ~5,000g instant + rest in long-term
You should always keep at least ~10g+1% on hand. This is an emergency fund, in case you need to pay listing fees, or relist, or you spot a really good deal, etc.
These all, of course, dependent on your preferences.
Instant profits usually yield better returns over the same time period (because they compound), but there is a limit to how many you can do. There are only so many exotics to salvage, materials to craft, items to flip, etc. before you’re far enough down the list of good deals that it’s no longer worth your time to keep going.

6) To salvage or not to salvage? If you are looking for gold (selling the item vs. selling the material), there is usually almost no difference. I’ve heard you should salvage cloth because that material is worth more, but selling cloth items also get you as much more, so I say it doesn’t matter. You should do the same thing to everything to save you time deciding what to do. There are exceptions such as exotics and some rare weapons (unique, greatsword, staff, dagger), so I would price-check those first. Just be sure to use the correct kit if you salvage and which ever choice you prefer is fine.

I had an old post, but it was in the Back Lion Trading Co message board and couldn’t be edited (gerrr) so I’m relisting it here with some updates:

I wanted to share some knowledge, so I decided to make one thorough walkthrough and just direct people here:

Section A) Table of Contents

• B) General Tips
• C) Producing your own gold / farming
• D) Converting other currencies
• E) Trading: Spread / Speculation Crafting / Precursor/ Bag
• E) Trading: Ecto Salvage
• E) Trading: Basic Salvage
• F) Miscellaneous

Old Guide

any word on this? are we still able to turn 2 karma boosters into these yet not able to get karma boost out of them?
is it a bug or intentional?

a luck eater would be nice.

in the mean time, I make use of the luck for it’s current secondary use :P well, at least the blue ones.
lucky great ram lantern = lucky ram lantern + 250 blue luck + 25 lunar new year fireworks + 20 bottles of elonian wine
usually gives about a 3g profit, so 1s20c per luck
unfortunately, you can’t downgrade luck. I stopped trying to get luck around 270% mf, and now only use green and higher to actually add luck.

just kill them again. mesmers are basically immortal gods who do not concern themselves with cheap immitations. a dozen deaths will teach them for meddling in the affairs of mesmers!

ohhhh hell no. what about phantasms?

all time-gated crafting materials have these numbers below the crafting buttons, instead of the previous “14:23:01 remaining until you can make more of this”
looks like it starts as ((614599)) when they haven’t been crafting and changes to ((612409)) / ((619168)) after being crafted.
recommended best solution: remove time-gating from these

Doam.8305:

No dye should be that expensive

you have one? I’ll buy it for what you think it should cost.